The Xbox One is already off to an abysmal start. However, it's in the same position Sony's now-beloved PS3 was in several years ago. Is it possible for the Xbox One to someday climb out of its hole, and show people its one heck of a console?
Part of the Xbox 360's massive success was owing to Microsoft's ability to keep adding new features/applications/producti vity to it. Will be interesting to see if Xbox One/PS4 have a similar life span - can they regain new life after the initial launch.
Now that the 24hr check-in has been removed, I have no problems with the XB1 and am actually more interested in it. That being because minus the specs, details and features are aplenty along with more, imo, interesting exclusives.
I'm interested as well, but that price point is not great. I don't care about Kinect inclusion, and I know it's 'required' to run the system, but if it's what's driving the price $100 higher than PS, it's going to keep me from buying one until a great sale, or at least some exclusives that make it too hard to hold off.
lol the 24 hr check is nothing compared to not being able to lend your friends games without them being on your friend's list for 30 days, the used game policy was ludicrous and it's not exactly clear which elements are being kept and which are being thrown out. I get it that the 24 hr check is gone, and that locking your system out is gone, but what about selling games/lending/borrowing games? What about the focus on Kinect and the casual market that hardcore fans couldn't care less about? Msoft has bigger problems than what anyone is letting on.
They're really underestimating how much of a cluster having to set the console up WITH an Internet connection will be.
That one time activation might refer to actual games. Look the original statement again.
Your reading too much into it.. Chill! Lol It means the obvious... You need to connect to the internet once to download the update that enables the reversal stuff..
It applies to the console. And there are plenty of people who game and don't have the net. Having to setup your console online, to be able to play offline, when you don't have Internet is going to affect sales. Well, returns actually.
Xbox one was going to continue the trend of adding new features and applications but now the biggest features they had trying to move the industry forward are now gone. I hope they come back to be honest because i was looking forward to what microsoft had planned but now all im getting is a glorified 360. So instead of moving forward we are at the exact same spot we were 7 years ago. It's a shame honestly.
Totally agree. MS has always been changing the game. Achievements and party chat are some of the biggest things to effect games, and guess who used it on consoles first? MS is really good about thinking ahead, and I have 100% faith in them to do it again next gen. Can't wait to see.
Achievements are just improved skillshots.
I honestly think the x1 and ps4 will have a longer life span due to better specs, just more available ram, finely tuned programming as the gen goes on.
"it's in the same position Sony's now-beloved PS3 was in several years ago" No it isn't, not by any LSD-inspired leap of the imagination. It's in a far worse situation. PS3 was the third in line after two of history's highest-selling consoles. Sony had a ton of goodwill with its fanbase (it only hit the fan @ E3 2006 when Sony announced $599, you'll work more hours to afford it, Giant Enemy Crab, etc). Believe it or not, but most magazines and sites were still singing the PS3's praises up until launch. It wasn't until about 3-6 months after launch that the vitriol began (kicked off by the now-infamous EGM magazine cover: http://www.gamesetwatch.com... ) Sorry, but the Xbox brand does not have that sort of heritage or goodwill, not that brand loyalty means much nowadays (look at the Wii-U). The X1 is getting widespread hate BEFORE launch. That's pretty significant. Not to mention Sony was in a fantastic place, financially. Xbox, on the other hand, is a bleeding brand that has lost Microsoft money since Day One, and the only guy who did anything to change that (Mattrick) just left the company. And now Microsoft is restructuring, which will probably turn the Xbox gaming division into the Xbox "Media" divsion, make gaming even less of a priority. I know it's attractive to revise history and say "Xbox One is in the same boat as PS3, and look how THAT turned out! Everything will be fine, guys!" but the PS3 had to fight and struggle and persevere for YEARS before it clawed out of the hole it dug. Will Microsoft demonstrate the same dedication to gaming? Well, what has their behavior been over the last three years? What did the Xbox One console reveal focus on? Microsoft failed to "tough it out" even when the times were good, closing many veteran game studios in the process. You think when times are tough that Microsoft will snap their suspenders and devote the next several years to winning back the hardcore gamer?
"Will Microsoft demonstrate the same dedication to gaming? Well, what has their behavior been over the last three years? What did the Xbox One console reveal focus on?" Why have you missed out E3? What did E3 focus on? Tell me, whose E3 focused more on games? Sony or Microsoft's? You're right that the Xbox brand does not have the same heritage as Sony's. But all the flak it is receiving is probably a good thing because it will force MS to focus on games. I know, a company shouldn't really have to be reminded or forced to cater for its core market, but actually, this is exactly what happened to the PS3 in the Kutaragi era of "we never said it [the PS3] is a gaming device...its a multimedia device etc [paraphrasing here]. MS' games library looks really impressive. However, whether or not it maintains its commitment remains to be seen. But it is facing enormous pressure as a result of the terrible PR and the mistakes its made. So I remain confident that it will continue to deliver in terms of gaming content because, well, it cannot afford to do so otherwise. Everything else is in place, the £1 billion commitment to IP's, more commitment than EVER before in MS history as far as gaming ip's are concerned and now its in the defensive. Which really, for core games, is actually a good thing. X1, its not over yet. Why? Because the real game hasn't even started.
"Why have you missed out E3? What did E3 focus on? Tell me, whose E3 focused more on games? Sony or Microsoft's?" Sony. But purely from a "games I want to play" perspective. Also, seeing how Titanfall played makes me look forward to the PS4 release. Even if it is COD: Mechs. "So I remain confident that it will continue to deliver in terms of gaming content because, well, it cannot afford to do so otherwise." They revealed the console as a set-top box. Games aren't a priority.
This article said that Xbox One's bad start is the same as what happened with PS3, and then goes on to imply that Microsoft will be just fine and dandy because, hey!, the PS3 ended up being okay, too. It's a false equivalence. If Microsoft fights for their fans and goes to battle for their marketshare like they did with the Xbox and the early years of the Xbox 360, then I'm 100%, whole-heartedly, unequivocally in support of that, in spite of my personal reservations regarding Microsoft as a company (MS and me go waaaaay back. OG MS-DOS gamer here) But Microsoft is not showing me that commitment. The $1 billion for games is no different than 5 billion transistors in the Xbox One hardware. It's a number. It doesn't mean quality. It doesn't mean commitment.
Xbox a bleeding brand since day 1? The original Xbox lost money. The Xbox 360 has been profitable for quite some time. If you added up all the pluses and minuses since day one, then yes the brand overall lost about 3 billion. This is not how companies work and any losses were written off years ago. For comparsion sake, the Playstation brand has lost almost twice as much since the start. Once again though, any losses were written off each fiscal year against the companies gains. The only key difference is Microsoft as a whole hasn't lost money fiscally like Sony had for 4 years straight. As for Sony and their many first party studios, realistically they have been costing Sony money for years. We also see very little output for the massive amount of studios they aquired. Yeah, Sony has the ability to crank out games, but not many actually buy them. Their core exclusives barely offset Microsoft exclusives combined with their third parties. It's just another way to do business. Microsoft wants third parties to carry more weight than Sony.
"The Xbox 360 has been profitable for quite some time." http://www.neowin.net/news/... http://www.forbes.com/sites...
Maria, Look at your first link, they have made a profit in the gaming division for 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012. That is a profit for quite some time. The losses prior to 2008 are not carried forward in business, they are written off against profit by the entire company fiscally. Some call that investing. The forbes link you provided is an opinion piece and not very well researched since it contradicts the info from your first link. It's hard to "make nothing in the entertainment division" if they actually post a net profit annually for 5 years in a row. If you are feeling frisky, check out Sony's financial statements for the last 5 years. They have lost money in their gaming division and company wide for years. This means they haven't been able to write off losses, they are borrowing money to keep the lights on. It's comical that you are critical of Microsofts bussiness and completely oblivious to Sony's which is in really bad shape.
Still expecting that the one-time internet connection requirement is going to wind up kicking the console in the teeth. That hardware reliability is still a question for both the PS4 and XB1 but especially the latter given the 360's launch.
No doubt the launch 360's had some serious issues that affected alot of gamers, but Microsoft stepped up and warrantied these machines for 3 years. They also released a slimmed down version and now an even newer revision without problems. As a multi-console gamer and PC gamer, I'm more concerned with the console that is reportedly more powerful and in a much smaller package with the brick inside. The XboxOne looks to have much more breathing room in the box which is typically needed for PC architecture. Sony's track record for console reliability isn't nearly as good as many choose to believe either. I worked at EB in the 90's and the original Playstation was the console that prompted EB to offer EPP's. I know I went through 4 EPP's on the original alone. I also had multiple PS2's before getting a slim and none were warrantied by Sony. I don't fault either company since I understand they are cramming alot of tech in a small box for relatively little money for what you get. At the same time I won't say either makes a more reliable console, but one company atleast stood behind their product.
While I pointed out possible issues that both the PS4 and XB1 could have, its the XB1 that's getting rumors about overheating. To the point that its CPU might have to be underclocked. Also, where the PS2 only had DVD diode, the launch 360s were made with cheap and untested parts. Had DVD drivers which lacked padding which lead to damaged discs. Likely also suffered from fundamental design flaws which necessitated a new slimmer model. Again, by the example of the online requirement, MS is showing that their focus is on software rather than hardware.
The rumor was the eSRAM was having production issues on the die. Speculation was the system would be slowed down to compenate for the heat of the faulty die. Nothing was confirmed by a reputable source. It was speculation based on early pre-production rumors.
Hasn't even started yet.
Now that Xbox has corrected its policy, if they bring a sku out at 399, or 349 before launch. They will be in competitive shape. Dont count MS out, SONY did this once, and got bitten for it. However I think PS4 has the momentum right now.
PS3 survived the $600 console, no headset, forcing bluray when it wasn't the standard format, not games, a buggy psn and all of this at launch without any reversal, the time passed and the ps3 did fine and brought amazing titles like uncharted and last of us Xbox One and PS4 will do fine this generation, xbox one has a stronger launch titles than sony, xbox live will be better than ever and sony has naughty dog and a bunch of first party studios working hard. Microsoft is listening the buzz, the feedback, making changes before launch and that's good unlike sony before ps3 launch, they started the last generation with all the critics The first year will be amazing for both consoles and more important FOR GAMERS!
They didnt listen to anything except for pre orders and when no one was ordering they changed their mind. You don't seem to know Microsoft very well they have always been arrogant and done what they want. They just entered a market where they actually have competition they cannot just buy out and thought everyone would follow them like sheep.
@forcefullpower Can you back up anything you said with something other than a gut feeling? Microsoft like any company is in multiple markets with fierce competition. Tablets, phones, mp3 players, PC OS's, game systems, etc are all markets they are in and not dominating. While Windows was the dominant format for many years, Apple has been growing rapidly and so has Android. As for the changes made for the XboxOne, I would say it was a combination of retailers, developers, publishers, and gamers that caused the reversal in policy.
I can back it up quite easily. Since there reveal they did nothing. E3 they did nothing. Yet when per orders where available they got absolutely hammered what other proof do you need. They changed their mind because they could not compete. Retailers, devs and publishers will all fall in line where the consumer purchases not the other way round. We make and break companies not the other way rounds. Apple and android do not dominate the market in business where their main money comes from.
i know microsoft and i also know that like them every company (sony, samsung, apple,nokia, panasonic, etc)only care about one thing MONEY. if you think only sony cares about us, mister you are wrong Sony was arrogant too in 2006, don't you remember? $600 deal with it... With all the DRM the xbox one day one edition sold out, pre orders were good, PS4 preorders were better so good think they change things before launch...who wins? US!!
and that arrogant attitude coast them dearly. over 120 million in sales to under 77 million. ms could have the same problem
The buzz and the fans had nothing to do with it. M$ only changed their policies because they were getting killed by Sony PS4 preorders. The fans spoke up on M$ policies well before E3. M$ could have changed the policies at E3. @greenlantern2814 Every playstation reached a 100m after 9yrs. The PS3 has only been out for 7yrs. Sony said they have a 10yr plan for the PS3, by then it will have passed a 100m. M$ could maintain the lead with a year head start, and cheaper console. The definitely wont beat Sony in the new gen with a more expensive console and sh!ty practices. M$ better concentrate on making a quality console with a low failure rate. IMO they were rushed into making the Xbox 1, because they figure Sony new console would be released in 2014. The last time they rushed their console to the market we ended up with RROD.
I wish MS hadn't backtracked on their original vision. It would have had no negative impact on how I play games, and it was a look into the future. They should have stuck to their guns.
Agree. But unfortunately, most other ppl disagreed. Mainly because it was MS trying to do it. I guarantee if it was someone else doing it, it wouldn't have had that bad of an outrage. Also, it would've helped a lot if MS didn't suck at addressing stuff. If they would've just had everything planned out from the start, and explained the family sharing plans and said they were gonna cut the price of games (on digital), then I think ppl would have been more accepting to it.. Who knows, maybe they'll still come back with the idea years down the road.
thinking that people where outraged by the drm policies only because it was ms trying to do it, is in a word wrong. people backlash against every company that does things they dont like. sony faced the same problems at the launch of ps3. when they said people should just get a second job to pay the high price. and sony suffered for it
People disagree because M$ was doing! WTH! It was a bull$h!t policy. They were trying rip gamers off. Plane and simple! If I buy something it's mine. I own it. I can do whatever I want with it. No way in hell should I be charged twice or told who I can sell my product to. I would have a problem with any company that tried that Bull$h!t.
They should have just went Digital only, no disc based games at all. That would have validated everything from their online policy to used game restrictions.
article makes sense they could recover, but will most likely be losing at first. they are currently behind in pre orders, which i know do not equal sales but is the only thing we can actually count right now. sony made a come back last gen and currently has all the momentum to keep on rolling. and right now it seems like that will keep going into the next gen. but who ever has the most available this holiday will be the winner. so if either company has manufacturing problems than they loss the holiday. ms has lost a lot of respect in the gaming community recently and people should see that since they are being compared to sony in 05 when they lost their strangle hold on the console market. if things play out the same way i doubt ms is willing to lose almost 50% of its market share dropping them down to around 36 million in sales. That would sting quite a bit
For some reason when I read "It's not over yet!" I heard it in Liquid Snakes' voice in that scene near the end of MGS1 where Liquid is chasing Solid Snake down the tunnels while being chased driving the jeeps. So by that right....if Xbox One is Liquid Snake, well, he does die at the end of the story and Solid Snake prevails and lives a long time.... Solid Snake is now PS4 as Liquid is to Xbox Done.
and I have to add, competition is great, xbox absolutely destroyed sony in the online department, p23 was horrible online in th very beginning but sony took a page out xbox book, made a comparable online service for free, pay a extra 50 and you get free games, Japanese companies get set in there ways that they stop innovating. im glad xbox is here, I game on all systems
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