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AMD Hardware Is As Good as Nvidia ones, but Drivers Inferior - Carmack

John Carmack reveals that AMD can match Nvidia in hardware but loses out when it comes to drivers.

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NYC_Gamer1118d ago

Well,its the truth Nvidia has better driver support.

DA_SHREDDER1118d ago

I think having to deal with drivers should be a publisher issue, but its only the consumer that gets the shaft cause people still buy the games whether they work or not. Driver issues are the reason why I hate not gaming on proprietary hardware.

jeffgoldwin1118d ago

^^^Aka stealth console fanboy. Games work just fine on pc, it was a good attempt sir, but it's way too obvious you don't even own a pc.

decrypt1118d ago

@DA_Shredder

"Driver issues are the reason why I hate not gaming on proprietary hardware."

Lol so what do you do when games like Mafia 2 (missing foilage), BF3 (input lag), Skyrim (poor fps) get released on propriatary hardware?

At least on the PC when the dev ditches you the fan base comes out with fixes, no such thing on console complately at the mercy of the developer also lets not pretend consoles dont have driver updates (its just called firmware, anyone remember the recent PS3s getting bricked).

decrypt1118d ago

Havent bought AMD hardware since 5000 series. I personally like to use hardware in multi gpu configurations.

AMD hardware just has too much microstrutter in crossfire. Also while AMD provides all right support for current hardware, they tend to ignore previous generations. For example i could load up a 8800GTX today and it will run games fine, try doing that with an AMD 4870 and things just wont go as smooth.

hiredhelp1118d ago

I could load up a 8800GTX today and it will run games fine, try doing that with an AMD 4870 and things just wont go as smooth.

Wwwooooooo. Slow down there decrypted my old pc is running a E6600 co locked with a sapphire 4870 hd radon is doing just fine and plays a whole libary of games. Sure crisis 3 BF3 take a hit so lower your settings.
Yes micro stutter continues to persist with crossfire than Nvidia but the drivers do sort that out if you wait.

Oh and mr carmack your games always been driver certified Nvidia by your devs not AMD first.
Now dont get me wrong ive been gamer for generations consoles to computers from voodoo to ati to Nvidia i can tell you ive not had issues with AMD drivers and up untill my GTX560 kfa2 i never had driver issues with Nvidia till had driver not responding TDR. Somert moderators hate hearing about on fourum.
Now this could been due to the kfa2 cards i had 2 both sli and single.
But right now im runnin back with AMD with 7970 im happy.
Disagree or agree doesnt bother me cos im happy

hollabox1118d ago

@hiredhelp

Yeah Nvidia drivers for my GTX 670 was pretty damn crappy for a long time. New games come out, I can't play it without using Beta drivers, installed Beta drivers BSODS. This went on for months, finally 314.XX came out and 320.XX and no more drivers issues. Posted my driver issues on a couple of websites for help, I got attacked. Fanboys called me an AMD fanboy like I have $400 plus to waste on a video card just to talk crap about it. The time I wasted on forum websites was the usual replies, dude its your power supply (1000 watts), its your overclock (default), its your CPU, its your memory. Sent the card in to Gigabyte and they flat out told me it was Nvidia drivers.

Now I never had any driver issues on AMD hardware and I've own about 7 of their cards compared to NVidia's 5. Of the 5 Nvidia cards I've own 4 didn't last a year, never had an AMD fail on me.

hiredhelp1118d ago

@hollabox.
Right i know you do get attacked i hated that they first want to know your setup tryin to find fault your side..
Crazy anyways glad they've sorted you out pal im also happy to see someone else whos been happy AMD cards too.

hollabox1117d ago (Edited 1117d ago )

@hiredhelp

Yeah I don't get it, Nvidia fanboys always scream bad drivers AMD, micro stuttering. Google search Gefore GTX 670 drivers issues, its allot, google search Nvidia drivers making video cards fail, if you want some old driver issues, good search driver problems with the Gefore 6600 GT (Black Bars). On top of that the following Gefore cards died on me; Geforce MX2,4400 TI, 6600 GT, and Gefore 460 in 9 months or less.

I like to upgrade about every 15 months for my GPUs and every 2.5 years for my CPUs. I've had the following AMD 6970, 4870, 3800, 1800XT, X800, 9700 non pro, and ATI 9000. None of them failed on me. Even my old 9700 was still running in my moms computer until 2008. My old ATI 4870 is still running on my brother in law computer, so yeah AMD cards from my experience seem last awhile. Only reason why I upgrade so frequently because I like to play at 60 FPS or better, and keep up with the latest Direct X versions. My GTX 670 was every bit or faster than AMD 7970 at that time, plus I wanted to experience PhysX to see what the fuss was about, big mistake so far.

hiredhelp1117d ago

@hollabox.
Glad to see im not alone btw i love the end sentence there you made my day.
" plus I wanted to experience PhysX to see what the fuss was about, big mistake so far."

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DaCajun1118d ago

From my experience, Carmack is 100% on the money AMD drivers suck compared to Nvidia.

kwyjibo1118d ago

Hopefully, with next-gen consoles, game developers will be working closer with AMD to ensure their drivers are up to scratch.

jamz41118d ago

"REVEALS"? The world already knew this.

wishingW3L1118d ago

do consoles use the same drivers as the PC? I thought consoles used customized drivers just like the PS3 uses customized APIs.

OpenGL1118d ago

They are not the same as their PC counterparts and any updates are done by MS/Sony.

ashcroft1118d ago

Even then, the firmware updates are not driver updates, you cannot update the GPU in consoles. If you get screen tearing or any other annoying issue with graphics, you'll have to live with.

Take skyrim for the ps3, that game was crap but if that issue was on pc, you can rectify most of the issues with a good driver update on the graphics card.

Of course the lack of ram on the ps3 was also an issue, it could have helped.

OpenGL1115d ago

I never said firmware updates are driver updates, and the reason Sony and Microsoft can't just update drivers on a monthly basis is that they have to worry about compatibility with previous titles. AMD and Nvidia might not give a shit if they break a graphical effect in a game that is 3 years old, but Sony and Microsoft do.

Plus on consoles they don't use the bloated APIs we have on PCs anyway so it's not like driver updates would improve performance anyway.

pete0071117d ago

once you get mainstream parts, you will need a bit modified drivers, however i dont imagine sony or MSFT dealing themselves with the burden of develloping video drivers themselves. Microsoft on the other hand owns a very powerfull Library called directx, and video card manufacturers need to stick close to it, i am on nvidia`s side with an sli 680 and i believe it will do fine for the next 5/6 years
cheers

truthteller1118d ago

Nvidia and AMD have same hardware but AMD is cheaper.
Nvidia has better drivers but because AMD is in next-gen consoles games will be optimized for AMD right off the bat. Nvidia will have to release drivers to compete. I see a market shift approaching.

aliengmr1118d ago

No, because Nvidia has always been better at releasing drivers in a timely fashion.

As of right now, I see no reason to go reason to switch to AMD. Nvidia has been pretty good to me for about a decade, so unless they screw up I'll stick with them.

Strongmad1117d ago

AMD release drivers monthly, I update every now and then, maybe its running a single GPU but I have never had a driver problem. Ive played near every major release over the last ten years.

AMD have always given better value (UK) and great overclocking. Until nvidia gets their frames per £ ratio down ill stick with the red camp.

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