VB - Microsoft is beefing up its Xbox Live reputation system to group trolls with one another in matchmaking.
This has to be the one and only thing Xbox is doing that I actually like. Being pessimistic I have to imagine they'll find someway to ruin it. One of those "great in theory, terrible in practice" type deals.
Troll vs troll how id love to listen to there rants
But the problem is when players are reported or voted on for being too good, or just having different opinions. For example, in MP, some people are chill while others want to go for the win.
@Hammad True but they say they address that type of trolling based off of factors such as your score. They claim they can tell if the negative votes are just out of spite or if they're genuine. I doubt it will really work out as wonderfully as they make it sound but in theory its a nice idea. Especially on a console like Xbox which, based off the past generation, is absolutely polluted with cursing children and obnoxious teens. Personally would prefer to see some kind of age filter added so that you could keep the kids out of your lobbies. Considering the rating for a lot of these games are M for mature anyway it would be nice if there wasn't a sea of cursing youths. I have my doubts about it but I still hope it works out and 'takes off' as being a popular, good idea. If the program works then maybe Sony will adopt a similar one. Since I'm only getting a PS4 that would be great. With it coming with headsets now we're probably going to be seeing a lot more of 'those types'.
Knowing how finicky some mods are (Not N4G mods...they're the best moderators in the entire internet), I don't trust anything like this.
Yeah. N4G mods are greatbubblesmorebubblesplease. I love them.
Darn it, my plot has been outed!
Just another "restriction" added to Xbone's library. It just gets worse and worse. I mean it does sound like a good idea and I would support it 100% but isn't it up to the user to learn how to use the mute button?
Restriction, restriction, restriction xbone is full of restrictions. People should just steer clear of all the bad rep this console is getting. the original list of restrictions: used games always online mandatory Kinect and now voice chat. I'm glad Microsoft did a 180 on the online issue but how long are people going to continue support this sham of a console compared to the 360.
What? This is only a benefit for gamers.
@Mystogan It benefits some but not all. The best policy is to allow enough freedom so the community can thrive. Microsoft should go back to focusing on how to enhance the gamer's experience like they did with the 360 and a lot less with all these restrictions.
I dont see any restrictions here, merely a "You reap what you sow" system. And indeed users could just use the mute button, but i dont see why 20 users should do this, because 1 person is a idiot. That would be avoiding the problem, not solving it.
@andibandit so you don't see the fact that they're limiting the users who you can talk to? Users should be able to talk freely at will. If you don't like it mute them. It only takes a a couple of actions. It's basically a software created by Microsoft to force you to talk to people of "your own kind". A system built to segregate.
Ive just noticed this article has stayed on 90 degrees but it was one 110 degrees just before
N4G has been broken for the last 24 hours.
I can't believe I'm saying this this but this actually sound like a good idea. So tired of players acting like jerks and tough guys just because they are on the Internet. When you know they would never do half that shit in the real world.
Agreed. It's too bad N4G doesn't adopt something like this. It's going to be interesting seeing all the comments on the forums of those trolls whining about how their reputation got ruined while playing Xbox Live. This is what I don't get with people, how they conduct themselves online with others. You often wonder if they would act this way face to face.
You read my mind MikeMyers. If it can create an online gaming equivalent similar to the now deceased "Open Zone", where the trolls and bad-mouths gamers can go rot and enjoy themselves, and leave the mature gamers to enjoy online games with each others, then it is well worth the investment on MS part.
I agree this reputation overhaul sounds very nice, but I always wonder why people complain so much about trash talkers or rude foul mouth gamers when you can easily just mute them???
Most of the punks that shoot their mouths online can't be found in a group discussion because they lack social skills. They can't get punched in the face by typing something to someone who is 900 miles away.
bubble for your first comment
Are you sure you want that for N4G? Are you sure you would get the placement that you wanted? No offense, but there's a reason you don't exactly have 8 bubbles (and it isn't "teh fanbois").
I agree. I think that everyone, regardless of their reputation, should be given 8 bubbles. The only difference would be that instead of losing bubbles, the bubbles turn red one at a time. I think it's wrong that some people cannot reply to a poster, even if the majority of posts from them are personal attacks or out and out trolling. Sometimes they STILL have something interesting to contribute and sometimes it's the very fact they only have one bubble that makes them less likely to make an effort. Freedom of speech dictates that we have to accept the good with the bad.
I'll have to respectfully disagree, GribbleGrunger. I lost some of my bubbles for going after certain people I thought did not represent this community very well, and still don't. But maybe they do represent what this place is and I'm just too naive to admit it. I find N4G to be lopsided and not representing all the communities of gamers that well. There is way too much of an influx of Playstation fans for whatever reason here. There's nothing wrong with that, I'm one of them but with every community you get your vocal groups out there where it's all about attention and clashing with others. Basically fanboys and haters. So when you have such a heavy presence of Playstation fans you're bound to have a very biased community. All the other systems forums added up together still fall short of the Playstation forum. That will not bring healthy debates. I myself am also a Nintendo fan, an Xbox fan and a PC fan. What some fail to realize is you can be a fan and not a fanboy. Now if I was on Xbox Live that wouldn't have happened because the system makes it very difficult to keep playing with those people and this new variation (or improvement if you will) will make it even more difficult for them. Sometimes that is the only way you can make people accountable for their actions online, to punish them somehow. Of course there needs to be some balance in it all. There's nothing wrong with some good old fashioned ribbing but some people just take freedom of speech too far. Freedom of speech doesn't apply in the first place because it's a private service, just like here. Every forum and online community has their own set of rules. This forum for example has a lot of stealth trolling and fanboyism. This clashes with the community and they know it. It's all about attention. Going on Xbox Live and clashing with others isn't what most people want while playing online. Most people don't want to be harassed, have music blaring in their headsets, called racial names or get verbal threats. Most also don't think highly of those who team kill, drive in racing games just to cause accidents and bug people, block other players from accessing doors. All of that immature crap. When you play games on Xbox Live (or any service) it's to enjoy those games and have fun with others. Do you see that on N4G? Do you see people acting like gamers or does most of the attention span from certain groups trying to alienate themselves from one another? Most of the highly active topics seem to be either about console wars in some way or something controversial. With a lot of fanboyism mixed in and trolling in the comment sections. I play online to have fun. Some people for whatever reason have fun bugging others. That's where the system needs to step in and take the responsibility those individuals refuse to do on their own. Hopefully making them accountable will force them to change their behavior because even when your reputation falls on Xbox Live you can still improve it. Notice how some people on here were at 1 bubble for like forever? They obviously don't care because it is possible to gain bubbles, but on Xbox Live we won't have to worry about it while they are at the bottom.
Yeah, if it works the way they're promoting it, it has a lot of potential, and I'm all for promoting a healthy play environment for everyone that wants it. Typically reputation systems are prone to abuse, like say N4G's bubble system(similar concept), but they seem like they have put quite a bit of thought into it. It's really a shame though that people would need something like this to be respectful towards others, but guess that's the way the internet is.:( Wouldn't mind seeing a personality score, and a per game rating as well. Could help keep matches more even.
Good evolution over the 360 version. Little details like this is what makes console different from each other. Competition is key to drive advances.
This would be great. People will abuse it though with fake reports or just flat-out soar losers. Still, should be a good evolution of XBL.
The system is always recording but I'm not sure for how long. So in theory you could send real reports. They have done things to counter abuse. http://ca.ign.com/articles/... "Lavin clarifies that there's no way for players to torpedo your Reputation when you've done nothing wrong, too. "The way that it's built fundamentally stops that," he says. "It's very much over a period of time. If we see consistently that people, for instance, don't like playing with you, that you're consistently blocked, that you're the subject of enforcement actions because you're sending naked pictures of yourself to people that don't want naked pictures of you.... Blatant things like that have the ability to quickly reduce your Reputation score." http://kotaku.com/xbox-ones... "It's not just about simply leaving a rating. Now if you mute another player, it will affect their reputation. If you ban another player from your server for misbehaving, it affects their reputation. And if you decide you don't like another player and urge the entirety of your newly-expanded friends list to complain about them? Well, that's where the safeguards come into play." "It's not just about collecting data, but how the system uses and weighs the data collected. If a dozen people suddenly report a single user, the system looks at a variety of factors before laying the smackdown. Did each of those players actually play in an online game with the person they reported? If not, all of their complaints won't equal that of a single person who spent 15 minutes playing Call of Duty online with the reported party. The system also looks at the reputation of both the person reporting and the alleged offender, the frequency of reports from a single user — it's a system the team plans on tweaking constantly for balance and fairness, but it sounds like they're off to a stellar start."
They also need to be able to track people falsely reporting,if that's possible. That would make it pretty balanced.
I like this! They should do something similar on PS4, although I find on PSN I don't usually find immature and annoying idiots.
Yeah right, they are everywhere.... Gave up many games on both systems because of these dicks...
Well the main reason kids bought a 360 was because it was cheaper, soo you cant always be sure.
There are plenty of jerks on PSN believe you me. People are the same no matter what console they own..
LOL I guess you are barely on PSN. There are asshole galore. But really...personally I find the ratio even across PS3, Xbox and PC.
and on PSN not everybody have a headset
I don't see what that has to do with anything...
I hear less people on mics typically....but I recieve twice the number of insulting, racist, sexist, ect messages on the PSN. Especially playing a game like Demons Souls...christ, you'd think every person I killed suddenly wished a pox on my house.
"Xbox Live on the next-gen system will now track player reviews along with how often others block or mute a player to decide what reputation to assign." This is gonna be as broken as is the current pointless system. People will be filing complains for no reason just because they got beaten @ game or some other dumb stuff. How do I know well on current pointless stats I have something close to 90% on trash talk yet I have never talked to anybody in any public game since I've created account...
Prove IT. Whats your gamertag? did you even read the article?
Yeah what IS. your gamer tag. Ill add you.
lol I gave up talking to ppl on XBL a long time ago! Whenever I hear someone I dont like I just mute them. Plain and simple but this may be cool so I wont have to take that extra couple of seconds to mute someone ;)
Yeah, muting can become a bit of a chore, sometimes I can't stand my entire team.
This a pretty great system IMO. Having the trolls play with other trolls XD
I like this a lot.
So what happens when some popular person gets a bunch of their friends/community to give you a bad rep just because they don't like you? I think the idea of what they are trying to do is okay, but what are the checks and balances on this system.
Sounds fun to troll pricks who act immature over a headset. That is when you mark him as a punk,
Did you read the article? "It's not just about collecting data, but how the system uses and weighs the data collected. If a dozen people suddenly report a single user, the system looks at a variety of factors before laying the smackdown. Did each of those players actually play in an online game with the person they reported? If not, all of their complaints won't equal that of a single person who spent 15 minutes playing Call of Duty online with the reported party. The system also looks at the reputation of both the person reporting and the alleged offender, the frequency of reports from a single user"
It answers your question in the article.
minors should not be allowed to play with adults so anybody under 16 should be playing with there own age group.
so grateful for this, finally the trolls in a corner
I can see it now, players that are legit and skillful Go 40-1 in a game and earn instant haters and get muted and blocked and put in the troll group. Xbox one is really just honestly making what gaming is suppose to be about a joke.
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Don't people read articles anymore before commenting?
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I know t his sounds great and all..maybe this is all algorithm, but how do we know that this cannot be abused? How is it weighted, if the riff raffs gang up on you?
Read the whole article.
In my younger days I was notorious for shit talking, especially on fighters. I've calmed down a lot but ever now and then some jerk off awakens the beast! The most racist game on xbl is halo 3 hands down. Psn is hard to tell because unless ur playing socom no one talks.
My God, do this many people really not read before posting?
it doesnt work u know how many people give u rep outta spite or the fact they got raped so they avoid u ... i dunno how theyre gonna have a fair system thats isnt based on what some clown thinks of u i mute everyone im not playin with in cod jus incase its a moron in the room so should that give them a bad rating i think not
PLEASE READ THE ARTICLE, it explains that its not a simple rating system: "It's not just about collecting data, but how the system uses and weighs the data collected." This thing has built in safeguards to prevent abuse, even someone who makes false reports can be penalized when the data is analyzed. Its a intricate weight system with algorithms.....you'd have to spend alot of time and effort to effectively abuse/ruin someone's reputation.
@ jokes dont believe everything u read the fact is its goes off other people opinions or ur actions towards other people i dont have to read the article because i allready have read others similar ... why u think there gonna make the fail proof reputation system is pointless who cares about it at the end of the day i dont wanna play with average kids in a pub match i wanna play against the best so ill believe this new bull when i see it actually works... imho its something that cant ever work because it has to go off of something.. other people opinions an to say it doesnt is ludacris
Personally I think Microsoft should get rid of the rep system. I have played games on XBL just minding my own business and when a player is losing the game they quit and wreck a persons rep. If they can change the rep system with the new console by all means do it. If it turns out to be a joke like it was on the 360 then scrap it. I'm just glad Nintendo and Sony do not use that system when online gaming.
@magnus i agree fully why have this rep system anyways it jus gets abused but now its new an improved an ur get in trouble if u give rep falsey please whoever believes there gonna pay people to monitor if people are makin false reports maybe they should this article lol
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