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The PS4 & One will surpass the Wii U on pre-orders alone… Don’t make me laugh

mii-gamer writes:

At times, it is hard to understand the logic behind certain people especially those blind with bias. For some individuals, the possibility of the Wii U becoming successful is so absurd that their ability to think rationally and logic are severely affected. In fact, any optimism for Nintendo and Wii U is retorted with vitriol comments, one after another, like a constant flow of diarrhoea.

Let me explain the context of my lividness. A few days ago, while scouring the internet for the latest news -I came across some ridiculous comments under an article on the subject of Wii U sales. Normally, I wouldn’t bother with these types of comment, but they were too numerous to ignore, too idiotic to debate with a simple one line response. Needless to say, these comments left me with a brain haemorrhage.

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Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II1115d ago

Well i can tell the author one major problem that the wii u costs pretty much the same as a ps4.

jcnba281115d ago

How exactly? Wii U = $300, PS4 + PSN = $455

PrimeGrime1115d ago (Edited 1115d ago )

You mean PS4 + PS plus? You don't need PS+ to use anything on PSN. You can use quite a bit without PS+ at all and even play some games unlike Xbox Live.

You also know they practically discontinued the $299 8gb Wii U model right. They only sell the $349 models now new here for me. So again no the Wii U now, is $349 new.

The PS4 is $399.

PS+ is optional and yes most people will buy it for multiplayer, since they won't probably want to play free-to-play MMO's all the time but it is still completely optional. It won't limit you from using other services on the PS4 like netflix ect either which will all still be free to use.

Chances are pretty big tons of PS4 will come with PS+ subscriptions later or for black friday as well. Even if they are only for 3 months or a month. PS+ is constantly being given away.

Kind of ignorant if you think about. Knowing most people are all going to buy the console with games, so shouldn't you include the price of games also?

Not every game at launch needs multiplayer either. So again that should be noted but whatever you drones are all the same. No idea why I bother.

deafdani1115d ago

If you're going to use the price of the base console for Wii U, use the same criteria for PS4 as well. PSN isn't mandatory, making its base price $400.

It doesn't actually detract from your argument. That's still a $100 difference, which will matter in the mind of a lot of consumers (especially dads and moms looking to give their kids a new console this upcoming Christmas).

slivery1115d ago (Edited 1115d ago )

How about this Wii U deluxe (since 8GBs were discontinued) + Pro Controller = $400.

So stupid. There is your dumb logic thrown right back at you. You can't even buy the 8GB model online at Gamestop here in the US. Unless it is used or refurbished.

http://www.ebgames.com/brow...

_QQ_1115d ago (Edited 1115d ago )

@PrimeGrime
Wiiu has free online play, Therefore the ability to play online needs to be included in the PS4 package.450$vs 300$ 500 vs 330$ after tax. get over it.
@silvery
Why would you include a pro controller that isn't necessary to access everything that the console is capable of. You can't play online without PS+ but you can on the WiiU for free.

Qrphe1115d ago (Edited 1115d ago )

It's pretty much $349 vs $399 at this point.

slivery1115d ago (Edited 1115d ago )

@lopez_josue..

Easy because you don't need PS+ for the PS4 to function. It isn't Xbox Live where you need it for basically everything.

You can play the MMO's on it for free without PS+ and you can access PSN and all that other crap that isn't related to online multiplayer, you can play games offline also. As said above not every single game is even going to have multiplayer as well. Not every single person even planned on using the PS4 online anyway. That is what the whole DRM nonsense we had to listen to for ages was about, did you miss all that?

So again PS+ is an option in the same sense the pro controller on the Wii U is optional. If you want to use "more multiplayer" on PS4 then you need PS+. If you don't like to use the gamepad and want to use a regular controller on the Wii U you have to shell out the same.

They are both options. Something you obviously can't seem to understand or most of you for that matter.

That is why adding PS+ into the equation is a stupid point to be making.

_QQ_1115d ago

@Silvery Answer me this question, are you going to play online with PS4?at least over half of the people who own one will,and if you answer yes to that question then you are paying 500$ after tax.

Rusty5151115d ago

I already have ps plus though...

mikeslemonade1115d ago

The author is just jealous that Nintendo hasn't got it right on the console front since Nintendo 64.

PS4 will match the sales within one year. X1 will take longer than that. It's gonna be generation 6 again whether you like it or not: PS4 120 million, Xbox 1 25 million, and Wii U 22 million.

The WiiU is not even next gen so why even compare it.

PurpHerbison1115d ago

Stopped reading at "unlike Xbox Live." Completely unnecessary.

mikeslemonade1115d ago

What online are you gonna be playing with WiiU anyway if you are comparing the $50 online extra on PS4?

If you are debating between those two systems. The WiiU has no prominent online population. What are you seriously gonna be playing?? COD or Mario Kart. No one serious is gonna be playing COD and Mario Kart is about have friends and family coming over to play locally.

fr0sty1115d ago

And, even with PS+, that PS4 is delivering about 5-10x the raw power and a MUCH better online system than Wii U, so it isn't just about raw price but also the value. Bang for your buck favors PS4 by a long shot.

Eddie201011115d ago (Edited 1115d ago )

@jcnba28

I like the Wii U and own one but lets be fare, when you buy the $300.00 Wii U your eventually going to have to buy some kind of extra storage just for game updates and downloadable content.

You don't have to buy PS+ if your not playing games online.

Plus PS4 can play DVD's, Blu-Ray's and is much more powerful than a Wii U.

But you can only get Nintendo games on the Wii U and some of them are looking pretty darn good.

mikeslemonade1115d ago

And if the Nintendo network was even remotely close to the quality of Xbox Live or PSN, then they would charge money.

Nintendo is the most greedy console maker of the three.

slivery1115d ago

@lopez_josue

Actually I won't. I have over a years worth of PS+ just from free subscriptions from offers and such that were given away to me.

I'll be fine long before I need to worry about paying that extra $50. So is there anything left for you to say?

RedHawkX1115d ago (Edited 1115d ago )

wii u is 350 and inferior in every way with a weaker graphics, crap online that its basically not even online multiplayer lol, crap 32 gb hardrive, crap controller, no games, no blueray, no features at all like recordeing gameplay etc.

wii u = 350

ps4= 400 with way more stuff in it and power

also ps+ gives you free games lol you get drive club and other games free day one so its basically just a game you buy.

for wii u you need a wii motion plus and buy a bigger hardrive for 70-100 dollars. also wii u doesnt have a account system so once your wii u is gone you lose all your downloads forever.

PrimeGrime1115d ago (Edited 1115d ago )

@PurpHerbison

I brought it up because many of you are making it seem like PS+ is absolutely needed like Xbox Live.

Whatever you like more I really don't care but when you make PS+ seem like Xbox Live. Yes I am going to be bring up the fact it isn't exactly like Xbox Live.

Is it similar now, sure, is it the same? No.

@jcnba28

Don't be sending me stupid ass PM's. I said here in my area they no longer sell the 8GB models anywhere. I made that very clear, I didn't say every part of the world did but that doesn't matter cause I am not paying out the ass for shipping around the globe.

I purchase my consoles close to me as it is more logical and cheaper.

You don't believe me? Here.

http://www.gamestop.com/bro...

MysticStrummer1115d ago

"You can't play online without PS+"

Depends on the game. My most anticipated PS4 title right now is Planetside 2, which is online only and playable without a PS+ membership. The same goes for Warframe and DC Universe Online.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

_QQ_1115d ago (Edited 1115d ago )

@silvery it is still 450$ after tax vs 330. The question i asked was if you were going to use PS Plus, only a minority of people will do whatever it is you are doing to get free PS plus, still 500$ for everyone else, and make it 750$ after the consoles lifespan.

meganick1115d ago

Why do so many people think the Wii U Basic model was discontinued? It wasn't. Nintendo just recalled some to balance the inventories of Pro and Basic models. The Basic model is still around people. Get your facts straight.

TongkatAli1115d ago (Edited 1115d ago )

PrimeGrime did this. Owned them hard and they're desperately trying to reply back to you to get something which no one knows.

http://www.teamattrition.co...

@ meganick
http://www.ebgames.com/brow...

Used only

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dark-hollow1115d ago

"And if the Nintendo network was even remotely close to the quality of Xbox Live or PSN, then they would charge money."

This sounds very familiar....
"Bu bu but the Xbox live on the 360 is better than psn on ps3. That's why its not free"

Dgander1115d ago

All this damage control. No one here is going to buy a PS4 to play single player with all those multiplayer shooter games they teased. PS4 without paying for online multiplayer is not a full experience and not worth it from what they showed at E3. Just as jcnba28 stated: Wii U = $300 to $350 and PS4 = $400 to $455 and upwards.

aceitman1115d ago

Let me see what will i buy wiiu 32 gig with 2 gig gdrr 3 of power for 349 or ps4 500 gig with 8 gig of gdrr 5. 399. That is easy .

Dgander1115d ago

@aceitman At $399 alone you get no online multiplayer.

Ju1115d ago (Edited 1115d ago )

Price per value. Right? I (and probably a whole lot other people) are not gonna spent $299 on a machine I already own since 5 years. Simple, isn't it?

Yeah, sure a Zelda fix in HD and some Mario HD could be nice. @ $199 - maybe. But not as my primary machine.

Dgander1115d ago

@Ju Mario Kart and Monolith's game already shows the Wii U is far more capable than PS360. It also looks better this early in its development cycle at 1080p 60fps. The under powered argument no longer exist since that E3 Nintendo direct.....nice try trolling though.

R00bot1115d ago

8gb Wii U's weren't discontinued..

N4g_null1114d ago

This is a pretty interesting argument. So basicly the wiiu cost way to much for its power huh?

The core argument is truly that Nintendo actually needs to create value out of thin air much like they did with the 3ds. It isn't about power or tech or even features.give gamers tons of free stuff and they become groupies.

The $50 price difference is not a problem. The lack of free stuff is. Even Nintendo knows this which is why they are not coming off the price. They know the price is fine. Amd chips are cheap and 8 gigs of ram is even cheaper, yes even GDdr ram. Sure you can't buy them but that is besides the point we all know and is bucket cheap. Then lets not forget the wiiu is a IBM/amd collaboration. So they are pretty similar minus a few bells and whistles if I'm going on tech price along. I wonder what is going to happen when the ps4 apu hits the market belowe $100 or barely above it? DVD/blue ray players are $40 last PC I built and that was even a writable drive. We are talking very weak computing machines using ccheap parts and are gpu heavy. Then couple the fact that laptops have way more power and comes with their own screen, some are detachable just like the wiiu.

So tech wise you maybe getting over charged but that isn't why we buy consoles now is it? We buy them for the games.

Put simply if Nintendo made a Nintendo club service that let you play all vc games or a large selection then it would be very similar to what Sony is offering. I would only want a few of the games on Sony's list so far and vanquish is one of them.

If Nintendo offered let's say the wiifit in an action bundle with wiifit plus, nintendoland, some form of Wii sports, and mario3d for $400 that would get a lot of casuals. Or a Mario overload bundle with HD galaxy1 and 2 for digital download with nsmb1 and the wiiu version and the Luigi dlc all for 350 with Mario 3d land being a limited time bonus.

Bundles and free games is the way it seems. Its like you guys want it but are a little cheap. The wiiu is going to be the secondary system to get. This will put it neck and neck with the other two along.

Yet you guys are looking for a price reduction. That would not increase the value but it would help you purchase a wiiu. We all know you are going to get a wiiu but you might not be able to afford it after a ps4. That is understandable, yet trolling it is not going to get you any where.

Nintendo has potentially two 20 million sellers coming. Wiifit u and any one of the following... [ 3d Mario, dk freeze, wiiu party], and then pikman and w101 should follow. Then you have the crack that is mariokart 8 and smash bros along.

Tech wise you have a portable almost wireless monitor that functions like a wacom intious which is $999 and the wireless tech is $200 a pop. With ful digital movie viewing. Along with aux gaming ability and screened control options.

N4g_null1114d ago

@the guys saying you have to buy extra stuff for the wiiu...

Really it sold 100 million and you don't have one? Fanboy much?

All the controllers are supported except the pro controller I believe. Even the balance board doesn't have to be rebought. That is a huge savings since the board was $200 last time I looked 20 million of those where sold. Seaport came with the plus and around 20 million of those where sold and you can play your old Wii games. Any old USB or sata based drive works on this thing. If you are really a gamer you still have this stuff laying around yet you can't use any of that on the ps4 and you have to pay for online. second screen support comes from the Vita for over $200 and pseye is sold separately.

I'll get a ps4 when they have some thing I want but right now its a meh console at best.

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Firan1115d ago

By your logic PS4 costs pretty much the same as Xbox One then.

wishingW3L1115d ago

PS4 = $50 more than Wii U
XB1 = $100 more than the PS4

meganick1115d ago

@wishingW3L
PS4 = $50 or $100 more than Wii U.

There, I fixed your stat. Contrary to popular N4G opinion, the Wii U Basic model has not been discontinued.

Klad1115d ago

No it doesn't. The PS4 is £100 more than the premium Wii U here in the UK!

Wii U - £245
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nin...

PS4 - £349
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Son...

XBox One - £429
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mic...

PrimeGrime1115d ago (Edited 1115d ago )

You can blame Europe for that.

Only $50 dollars more here since they don't sell any 8GB Wii U's at any of my local games stores anymore. The only one they have is the $349 model now.

So yea here it is very close to the Wii U's price tag. Considering the massive hardware differences it really shouldn't even be so close.

Sam Fisher1115d ago

I think the ps3 and x360 were sold new again it still make more money than wii u on preoders, f$&k it probably wii can sell better than wiiu

aceitman1115d ago

Well the wii u is not worth the price with a 8 and 32 gig with the ps4 having a 500 gig. the extra gig puts the ps4 at a better price.

Protagonist1115d ago (Edited 1115d ago )

The hardware an the free software makes the PS4 a bargain.

PigPen1115d ago

Playstation 4 is at a better price and selling at a crazy lost. PS4 only does everything like online with a price tag. What currently was free without the plus in it is now just plus. Wii U is worth its price and not losing much on hardware. Buying one game put the Wii U in green. Sony hasn't learned a thing from the Playstation 3. And although the PS3 was a success, they just not be as lucky this time around. You know, go the way of Sega.

Ju1115d ago

Why are we even argue about that? Get a 500GB PS3 for $299 - has free online.

We are talking next gen here. What has that to do with the WiiU?

toshan1115d ago

the author name is mii-gamer obviously he is a wii fanboy and he is jalous of the ps4

PigPen1115d ago

Why should he be jealous of the PS4. There are still Playstation 4 consoles in stock. You just hate to hear truth.

devwan1115d ago

PigPen, you've said this before, but why do you think that ps4 availability is such a bad thing? Sony aren't sitting on a warehouse of ps4s nobody wants, far from it. They are proving they can produce the machine in *massive* quantities for launch around the world. They've told certain retailers to "open the floodgates" - basically take as many pre-orders as humanly possible.

There's no struggling to produce units as some would suggest ms are suffering with and there is no fake supply shortage to boost demand/hype as certain manufacturers have done in the past to hit the news headlines as it's a very different world now and having more units out there in the hands of gamers will do more for publicity than any of those old tired stunts could.

_QQ_1115d ago

Why would he be jealous,logic says he can just buy one later if he wants one.Did you even read the article, or is that another skill you lack?

stuna11114d ago

@PigPen

You didn't just say that there are still alot of PS4's in stock did you!? It's already common knowledge that pre-orders for PS4's have been opened up, meaning retailers can accept unlimited pre-orders!

Then you're basing an argument on something that hasn't even hit retailers yet! The WII U has been out how long know? Yet it's still sitting on retailers shelves as well as warehouses.

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warewolfSS1115d ago

What do you know... First comment is a insecure playstation fanboy defending his console..

dark-hollow1115d ago

Are gamers have very short memory or what?

Same thing has been said about the 3ds, and how matching the vita price is a suicide for Nintendo. Fast forward two years later when it had a price cut and a solid library of games and it became the best selling gaming device right now.

All the Wii u need is a price cut and for a good library of games. Its still didn't pass it first year for Christ sake!

TongkatAli1115d ago (Edited 1115d ago )

3DS is just competing with the Vita and the 3DS is below 200$, it's not the same thing. The Wii U will get a boost from sales, but not at the same level as the 3DS.

If that were the case it would be selling better not getting outsold by the Vita, Wii and PSP in Japan and Europe. The 3DS was never selling horribly, never that low.

The Wii U this holiday is competing with the PS3, 360, Xbox One and PS4.

Maybe much later down the road sales will explode, idk, but this holiday Grand Theft Auto 5 and next gen is taking the holiday thunder.

esemce1115d ago

Yes the WIIU price really is a joke now we have the PS4 price, Nintendo WILL drop the price before Xbone and PS4 are released.

PigPen1115d ago

PS4 price really is a joke considering Sony financial trouble. Nintendo will not drop the Wii U price and has publicly stated that. Nintendo has always believed in selling its hardware at a profit. Wii U is the first console selling at a lost but not by much. Buying one game with the Wii U will put the Nintendo console in green. Sony is looking to double down like current gen out of desperation.

RGDubz1115d ago

@ Qrhpe

It's pretty much $349 for a console with current-gen tech vs $399 for a console with next-gen tech.

Tough choice!! <sarcasm>

_QQ_1115d ago (Edited 1115d ago )

All of the consoles have current gen tech, My PC has next gen tech, PS4/Xone have current gen tech. Get your numbers straight, its 500$ after tax for ps4 and pretty much necessary online, and 350$ after tax for a basic wiiu with upgraded HDspace. Plus with Wiiu you get an innovative control method while with ps4/xone you get a severely, pathetically, disgustingly outdated PC with a brand name on it :).

PigPen1115d ago

Wii U is only $50 dollars cheaper then the Playstation 4, but that is no major problem. I wouldn't even call it a problem. This article called Sony fanboys out with truth. Sony doesn't have that type of star power like their first two consoles and get lesser buy the generation. All this Sony already won talk reminds me of the Vita.

andrewsqual1115d ago

I can tell you as of now that the PS4 has in Ireland.
And the Wii U as far as I am aware was €420 here for the version of the console that everybody wanted when it launched so YES the PS4 is an incredible price at €399.99

greenlantern28141114d ago

The wiiu is selling poorly it was out sold by the vita last month and you all always say the vita is dead.
3.2 million in sales and currently selling less than 40 thousand a month. So if this trend continues it will sell about 3.5 million by the launch of ps4,Xbox1.
Now these systems are going to be in high demand with limited quantities so they most likely not out sell what the wiiu has done in a year but what about a year from now. Then let us which system has sold the most.
And for all the Nintendo fans that think the wiiu is doing well even Nintendo says they know it hasn't. And why if it is powerful, and not over priced with such a great line up why has it done better?
Maybe if there was an actual marketing campaign they might do better. But just because the 3ds rebounded doesn't mean the wiiu will.

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PrimeGrime1115d ago (Edited 1115d ago )

I am not even being blind or bias but with how poorly the Wii U is selling it is very likely that those pre-orders actually just might.

deafdani1115d ago

That just shows you didn't read the article, and congratulations, you're just one of these mindless people that just make silly comments without taking REALITY into account. Exactly the kind of people the author of the article is calling out.

Here's the picture, dude: no matter how slow the Wii U's sales have been, the fact remains that it's sold more than 3 million units worldwide to date.

To think that Sony and Microsoft will manage to sell, DAY ONE, that many consoles in PREORDERS alone is incredibly naive. To have 3 million consoles available for preorder, how many consoles do you think there needs to be in stores? 5 million? 10 million?

Do you seriously think Sony and Microsoft have made so many for launch day?

Don't be so naïve.

PsychOff1115d ago

Umm I don't think you understand how pre-orders work. By the time the PS4 and Xbox One are out everyone will have had their pre-orders paid off and many will have probably sooner.

So it won't matter what the stock is like. It is practically a no brainer that they won't have enough stock to fill every pre-order. That you are a right about but the money will still be there is the point which count towards sales.

Amazon put up that Xbox One and PS4 are selling 2,500 pre-orders per minute combined. Knowing that they have already exceeded millions of pre-order sales.

Do the math. You shouldn't be so gullible.

PrimeGrime1115d ago

You talk to me like I am not one of those 3 million people who purchased one. Don't blame me for Nintendo's poor decisions.

RedHawkX1115d ago (Edited 1115d ago )

sony makes 1 million ps4 consoles a month started this month or last. in october they will have 4 million ps4 novemeber 5 million. all those consoles will be sold out day one. nintendos one year head star obliterated in one sales week. i say week because thats how long it will take for us to know the sales and because people order online and such.

and i like how people say people arent willing to spend a lot of money on consoles yet are going to spend 500 dollars on the most expensive console xbox one and its the weakest console and no one wants it. xbox one will not be the go to console dont expect anyone to be playing on it like the xbox 360. dont understand why you guys cant get that through your thick skulls. ps4 is where everyone will be gaming and playing multiplats and exclusives. xbox has like 3 exclusives max the rest of those gamers are gonna be on pc and ps4. dont understand what some of you are thinking but then again you probably arent thinking at all.

aceitman1115d ago

And dont forget sony is doing a world wide release not just the usa or uk so it will be in the miliions the question remanes if the ps4 can sell as many one day launch than the wii u life time sales .there is a slight chance.

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jcnba281115d ago

I'm not being a blind fanboy either but there is no chance that the PS4 or X1 can outsell the Wii U. No chance whatsoever. Stop the wishful thinking.