Atari founder Nolan Bushnell talked how Microsoft screwed up with their Xbox One reveal, in his opinion.
Yes they did. But it wasn't simply happenstance, it was arrogance mixed with overconfidence, and the insatiable lust to rip more monies from the already overspent gamer. It backfired. It had to. Microsoft's vision for gaming is dismal, disappointing and saddening. Thank goodness for Sony who had the balls to stay away from DRM,and the blocking of used games. It's the only reason MS backpedaled.
Thank God for MS otherwise Sony would have come out with a 800$ console and ask us to get a third job this time around.
that pretty much got handled by Microsoft this time around.
have you thanked Sony for sticking up for gamers yet? (;
Atari is just taking a jab at Phil Harrison who left them for M$! "Take that, Phil!"
The ps3 cost $840 Sony sold it at a lost.
Aww LaChy, why so mad, dumped by Pon Patrick?
"MS screwed up with xboner" tell us what we dont know!!! duh !!!!
Yeah... probably not.
Sony never even asked for us to get a second job so I have no idea what you are babbling about. Fanboy BS?
U should be thinking Sony 4 not using drm and the whole used games thing. Pluse they learned with ps3 that overprice will hurt them . where is ur brain just wondering cause all I c in it is full of ms shit in it u dumb f.ck fanboy:)
I should be thinking Sony 4 not using the whole drm used games and 24 hours check in BS yo. plus Sony has learn that pricing to high would hurt them and go figure it's 100$ less then the shit box so ur comment is pointless really it's sad there's so many brain dead people like u r in earth.
Stupid Xbot is stupid.
Sony was going to win this time around no matter what, it was their Destiny.........
You need a better first job.
Why is it that when the Xbox 360 is $500 and the PS3 is $600, price is a main arguing point for Xbots. But when the X180 is $500 and PS4 is $400, the discrepancy is ignored. You people just spout all the garbage MS tells you about it being worth your while because it's magic, as though you will be getting a home for you and your loved ones in the cloud.
I doubt I would purchase a 800 EURO console...anyway, the PS3 WAS WORTH 599 when i got it, opened the package and compared to my X360...silent, shinny pretty, slot loading DISC drive, upgradable HDD, solid HW (could use it to demolish a house), NO power brick, BR player, built-in Wi-fi, controllers used lithium batteries, optical audio output, HDMI, Bluetooth and so on... Actually my noisy and plastic cheap X360 became all of the sudden expensive...by that time I had already purchased, 2 years of XBLG (100 EURO), battery charge-packs...add that the launch price and that I got RROD later on, it's was easily and saddly more expensive... MSFT screwed up because they REALLY believed ALL people got their console because it was the best console and can't live without it rather than some of them partially because it came out first and yeah, learned to loved it...so they thought that they could implement of those restrictions and people will just accept it Now they have realised (a little too late) that many of that early adopters are not married with the console and they are going again through the process of evaluating the best option for 1st next gen console purchase, the difference is that this time both launch at the same time. MSFT seems to be rushing the X1 this time again, but like I wrote, difference is that SONY is launching at the same time and those flaws in the launch of their console will be more obvious as we will be able to directly compare with SONYs console and viceversa...SONY lied as well during the PS3 launch, with that HOME video streaming, sharing, cross-game chat, etc Let's see who really planed to launch the console Q4 2013 and who didn't...right now it looks like SONY is not having to much trouble, every step seems to be well planed.
It doesn't take balls. It takes providing something that the competition does not. That's just the nature of business.
If there was a very small negative backlash than Sony for sure would of gone with the DRM but im glad the gaming community is vocal and now both consol's will not be DRM implemented. Hopefully the Xbox one will continue on the right track and both consol's will become huge success.
There's no guarantee of that. Just because MS tried to get away with something doesn't mean Sony would have followed suit. I hate how they are always compared like they are one-in-the-same. Lest we forget before MS entered this industry, Sony's highest releasing platforms were $299?
"If there was a very small negative backlash than Sony for sure would of gone with the DRM" The problem with that theory is that Sony mentioned at their Febueary event that the PS4 wouldnt require any sort of internet connection in order to play games. This eliminated any possibility of Sony implementing an online DRM system which is what Microsoft wanted to use for the XBOX One. On top of that Yoshida confirmed to the press that they already decided the fate of DRM early on in the development cycle. Which again prevents them from incorporating a Microsoft like DRM system. If Microsoft didnt get any backlash for their DRM system Sony would have continued with their original plans and that was to release a console that wouldnt support an online DRM system.
@CGI-Quality There was alway's a probability of Sony Implementing a similar version of DRM as after the xbox one unveil, PS Fan's and gamers all round had gone vocal on the DRM protest both for the PS4 and X1. There after they Sony Exec's tweeted "We are listening" if there were not to include DRM they would of just tweeted the rumours are not true but instead they tweeted we are listening to the gamer's whom are being vocal. After the PS4 unveil in feb many rumor's included of being DRM related. Question were asked over time to the executives' they replied by neither confirming or denying the rumor's and pulling some PR crap. Tretton had already stated that the DRM was an option for them but the opted out. btw read this article http://www.tomshardware.com... @MasterCornholio True they mentioned no internet is required to play tegame's but in MS case the console needed the connection to Check in but you still can play offline. They just have a much superior PR method than MS. Though if they did included DRM they could of chosen a different technique. There is also proof of DRM being patented by Sony in lated 2012 to be specific it was intent of use were for Games. btw read this article http://www.tomshardware.com... in the end it was because of MS backlash more likely that sony opted out.
"There's no guarantee of that. Just because MS tried to get away with something doesn't mean Sony would have followed suit." Well, Sony's charging to play online for the PS4, and the only thing that kept them from doing DRM was people complaining about having to pay to use the online, so that comment has merit.
They screwed up the reveal and had DRM. MS learned its lesson much, much quicker than I anticipated. At least MS is doing things right early, rather than later. MS arrogance got shot down quick.
DRM eventually is gonna happen. When all digital happens, drm will come with it.
I agree with you. However, there are many ways to implement DRM. Many of those ways still offer better systems and choices than that of MS. It's not WHAT they were doing as much as HOW they were doing it AND their lack of a clear and concise message as to the benefits of the MS future.
this is what alot of us meant when we said "you never want a gaming industry with MS in charge". Imagine if they were the only game in town. They would be shoving all this draconian garbage down consumers throats and lol the whole time. Of course they would cause another gaming crash but thats for another topic.
@allformats - i wouldn't say that sony had the balls to stay away from DRM I would say that sony's scrotum shrivelled up when this topic came up. The new functions Microsoft were trying to explain (badly I admit) were to embrace the future of digital downloads and at the same time stop abuse of the feature. I had no issue with this and was a bit miffed when they took it back. I buy games new and never sell them, I have a 89mb internet connection and don't care about @tyre waffling on about american nsa paranoia. It was Microsoft who had the balls to test the waters for this way of doing things and when the minority core gamers bitched and whined Microsoft backed down. This is the real crime, that the people on this site suggest they have more insight in the business and future proofing than the companies them selves.
I see, so by your logic Sony had the balls to test the waters for all digital before that with the pspgo, and the acceptable price point with the ps3. What Microsoft may have been trying to do could have been interesting (and yes the explaining was awful), but when it came time to explain themselves it was clear these policies where poor or being changed on a weekly basis. When they themselves have no solid plans or explanation for how they would practically handle the used game market or rental industry that should sound off all kinds of alarm bells. For a company so 'future' centric it completely lacks foresight; no, saying we have some kind of plan we can't discuss is not good enough. The real crime is that you are all to eager to sell over your rights with not so much as a single self appropriated thought, better yet you think they are some bastion of justice... I wouldn't praise them for testing the waters, just as I won't praise the ps3 initial price point or pspgo ditching all physical media. They are not brave soldiering decision, they are the result of poor business decisions.
@Xion87 - Selling my rights to a corporation is a little far fetched I must say! YES, Microsoft needed to make the process clear and did a poor job of it, however to say that customers are selling away there rights is an unfair argument. People are choosing an eco-system when they either buy a PS4 or XBOX One. They are making a choice to game in that companies eco system. I chose XBOX (I never buy Japanese brands) and with it I saw a slight variation to Steam and that suited me down to the ground. There will be a lot of people who feel the same way. To characterise opting for one as selling your right and the other as salvation is very unfair.
Awesome every time when there is bad news about Microsoft it's a top new article on n4g....but as soon some one speaks negative about sonys console it gets swap under the carpet smfh you fanboys are pathetic
I think Don Mattrick Screwed the Xbox one, When he first took the job he stated that he wants to make the gaming industry digital. Glad that he is gone and now hopefully the xbox one will stay on te right track since they have come back on track after the 180 but the kinect and price is an issue still to be fixed.
They just did not show enough games. If they would have extended the one hour reveal and showed games and all the other functionalities it would have gone much better.
True though they redeem themselves during E3 on the gaming counterpart but as a whole they never justified the console. Glad they backtracked on the DRM shit. Now until the launch they have to prove why choose the xbox one but as of now i only see couple of reason's to buy the console.
I agree the games looked fantastic. Now that the DRM issues are in the past. They can focus on games and the system or how well the intergration of kinect, smartglass, Game DVR and even cloud work with Xbox One. Gamescon is around the corner which they have mentioned will have more exclusives. They are also planning on attending TGS. I am interested in hearing more about the system in upcoming events.
it wasn't the fact that they didn't show games that bothered people (well at least me) it was the "why?" they didn't show games when revealing a gaming console...
MS did that on purpose just to generate hits/hype/talks. MS also revealed always online DRM demo just to test out how gamers gonna react to it, again to generate hits and we all fall for their PR. E3 they show the games but sadly failed to address DRM because they got lots of negative feedback. Then when they saw the pre order not going as planned. MS drops always online.
Nolan Bushnell - Master of the obvious
I would love the majority marketshare to go back to Sony again this gen. as even when they sell 150+ million consoles, over the competitions barely 40million, they do not rest on there laurels & take the easy road. I just want the masses of quality, quantity & variety of titles that Sony consoles attract....I mean, PSone & PS2 just had so much to offer & it seemed that gamers supported a wider variety of genres back then, as opposed to just 1 or 2. I mean, racers & fighters were probably the biggest 2 genres on PS1, but, the thing truly just had so many outstanding games, across every genre, that you couldn't help but support them. I would love to see a return to that mindset from gamers, as we truly are living in a total state of fps's.......a genre that was predominantly pc's domain. Awesome 3D platformers (a genre that made gaming what it is today, in both 2D & 3D) seem to be dinosaurs in the modern fps dominated era, JRPG's have gone down the gurgler in a severe way too, & even Tomb Raider, although still around, has been converted into a 3rd person shooter, rather than then the awesome adventure game with awesome & difficult puzzles.......& the list goes on of genres that are suffering, thanks to the fact that that many once great & rich genres, have all but died off, & thus, taking many great developers with them. I mean, I want Syphon Filter, Resistance, Twisted Metal, warhawk/Starhawk, Jet Moto, Medievil, Primal, Ghosthunter, The Mark Of Kri, Destruction Derby, Wipeout, Kinetica, Rollcage, Socom, The Getaway, etc, etc, to either keep getting future releases on PS consoles, rather than like some of them, go missing, never to see light of the day again, since PS1, or have a moment of weakness with 1 release, & therefore, never get another game in the series. I mean, I really want ALL of these games to get further releases on PS4, & future Sony consoles. Sony having dominant marketshare, means the potential for these games I love to sell better, therefore, be continued on there existing hardware, &/or future hardware.
Well, competition is always good. Sony may have not had this kind of comeback if Microsoft didn't prompt them to do better. But, for this generation Sony is extremely well positioned and I expect the best first party lineup. Their Worldwide studios infrastructure seems top notch.
Fanboys are so blind to what competition brings..
Atari, thought they were out of business?
Which is why that comment should hold a Lot of weight.
Now we see how microsoft will move.
Folks are forgetting that Nolan Bushnell pick MS to win next generation.......lmao @ the folks saying MS didnt show enough games they must have missed e3 all together. The console haven't went on sale yet and folks trying to burybthem akready keep in mind the xbox one pre orders are very strong.
"lmao @ the folks saying MS didnt show enough games they must have missed e3 all together" Topic : Atari founder: "Microsoft screwed up with the Xbox One reveal" Reveal is the key word there.
As long as the adjust price or offer a 399 sku, they will be fine. However; no offense Atari, you have had lack luster success for years, prob not the best person to take advice from.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Microsoft has its viewpoint and could be correct, because the piracy is a huge problem. But the solution of this situation is to invite to the user to stay online with great prices, gifts and discounts. Great examples like Plus and Steam, where do you find a lot of gifts ( this month for free Battlfield 3, Deus Ex, Xcom, Uncharted 3 !) and great prices ( Shadow of the colossus, Mortal Combat and Batman for 5 bucks!) are too amazing to let go and the user will be hooked friendly with the online and happy could buy the subscription. Micro needs to offer with its gold service: free games, discounts and promotions because Xbone is in serious disadvantage with its competitors, not only for the infamous policies that the company adopted, also in price and technical specs.
Maybe they did, but they are gaining ground fast!
Arrogance always screws over a company eventually. It happened with Nintendo in the mid 90's. That disease inflicted Sony during the PS3 era and now continues with Microsoft and the Xbox One... And it always ends the same way... Pride Before the Fall
hahaha that is hilarious. Attari is taking Microsoft to school
That's funny. The Chuck E Cheese guy called out Microsoft.
Atari founder asked about console launches? Where is Atari now? Oh right, bankrupt. Move on people.
no 5hit, there out of business....which would be why there comment is holding a Lot of weight!!!
and the 3rd console curse continues first sega with the saturn then nintendo with the n64 then sony with ps3 now its microsofts turn dont worry they'll learn there lesson come the 4th console.
At least MS still has a console (Atari), even if I agree what you say.
All i can say to that is, if Atari came out with a new Console today, it too would kick MS. $#%#$%#%$.
hey sony fans go to youtube and look up N4G in real life its so fn funny and true....
You Xbot's use the word fanboy more than anyone else. Why is that?
I'm still on the Fence with the Consoles. If MS. would drop the Kinect as a requirement i'd Probably go with Xbone. IF they don't seperate Kinnect thani probably go PS4. I have at least 6 months to make up my mind, both Consoles are going to do well. But i think this time it will be MS. who trails in sales numbers. And that is good in some degree, i like good competition. The games are going to Rock on both systems, you can't go wrong no matter which one you choose. Go Next Gen.......
I'm curious to see how they will behave at Gamescom.
They screwed up everything about the xbox one.. They need to hire all new staff
So how's Atari going for you?
Here is the thing I don't understand, you all flame about the x1 as if it wasn't a console. First it was the DRM, then price, now its a screw up. Can someone explain how sonys ps4 is next Gen. What they upgraded the graphics and a few other things. All they really did was upgrade the PS3. There is really nothing else new to it. MS took a risk to actually progress In the industry. Now about the price with what it comes with its more than fair. Hello there are phones that's cost more and people buy them so I see no reasoning in complaint about an Entertainment system for only 500. I swear to many fanboys flaming all the time. Facts are facts.
It wasn't just one of those things. It was the DRM. And the Tv/Sports focused reveal. And the used game issue. And the mandatory Kinect. And their responses to things. "No internet? Get a 360." You say all they did was upgrade the PS3, which shows just how invalid your opinion should be on this whole subject. Since virtually every component inside the PS4 is different than in its predecessor, it can't possibly be an "upgraded" PS3. Facts ARE facts. And the fact is that when the PS3 was $500 and offering far more features, Xbox fans never shut up about it. And that was against a system that offered more. Phones are irrelevant; dunno why you brought them up. It's not about fanboys, but about gaming. MS made very stupid gaming decisions. Fact.
Btw, Atari failed because of a general recession in the industry, google the video game crash of 1983. The video game market in north america fell over a whopping 97% resulting in MANY companies going bankrupt. The atari failure was a simple result of the crash.
It was because Nintendo kicked their ass.
Sorry but Nintendo released their console a little after the recession subsided in 1985, Ataris failure began with the beginning of the recession, like I said MANY companies went bankrupt.
I never knew so many people had something to say about MS good or bad. At least they're interested some way. MS is going to do well. I know no one personally that's going to get a PS4. Everybody is going with X1. That's already 31 X1s sold. A few bad comments means nothing compared to millions. Even those that were upset 2 weeks ago are calming down and considering the X1.