Xbox One U-turn - has Microsoft done enough?

Guardian - Are you pleased with Microsoft's DRM concessions on the Xbox One, or do you think more needs to be done?

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Need4Game1990d ago

Nope, make it $299 with Kinect, and can play games without Kinect attached.

PSVita1990d ago

They still need to make money lol

They could just remove the need to HAVE to have kinect and sell two different SKUs.

mikeslemonade1990d ago

I told you so..

I told you Microsoft would either change there stance or price before the launch of the console.

Godmars2901990d ago

You honestly think that a $200 price drop isn't a bit much?

brish1990d ago

For new hardware they would be losing a lot of money by selling it at $299.

I think they should have a $399 option that doesn't include kinect.

NihonjinChick1990d ago (Edited 1990d ago )

I don't think that's going to happen since Kinect is required for it to work.

pompombrum1990d ago

^^^You mean like how they couldn't just "flip the switch" and take out DRM? Kinect is an accessory at best and them treating it like anything else is going to backfire.

jmc88881989d ago

What's sad is that there were all these morons talking about how the DRM was 'built into the console', and how they couldn't take it out.

It takes one big sheep to believe that.

Now people are sadly saying the same thing about Kinect2.

It's so sad that people don't have the critical thinking skills (and barely any is needed) to see past all this bs.

These same people generally think that
a) Kinect won't spy on them
b) Because it 'wont' spy on them, they won't get exploited from it
c) also therefor thousands of companies WON'T be trading this data
d) there's no reason for anyone to see them in their underwear or know how big they are or whatnot ($$$$ on one end, blackmail on the other, and a whole lot in between).

The simple fact is Kinect2 will be exploiting you, the question is, some will be exploited more than others. Some might just get double their health or life insurance. Others might have far worse done to them.

georgeenoob1990d ago (Edited 1990d ago )

You guys need to stop taking these fanboys seriously.

Hicken1989d ago

I don't think too many take you seriously, so there's nothing to worry about.

harkki861990d ago

i don't know about you guys but i already had enough with the 360. despite being a girl i thought all the kinect stuff was totally lame (even though i was the target audience for that junk) and now microsoft still wants to force us to buy it? yeah right.

i was really hopeful for the next xbox because i was hoping they would go back to the way they were when the xbox 360 first came out. they made a lot of great games back then!

fermcr1990d ago


$299 !!! Why not give it away for free and include 50 games with it ?

You should major in business school. You have a gift... that would take any company to bankruptcy.

Zichu1990d ago

You have to realize, a price drop would mean they would most likely increase the price of something for them to make a profit.

They could do it to anything... LIVE, GoD, MSP, Controllers, Headsets, etc.

I would prefer it if they would release an SKU without Kinect and drop the price from £430 to the PS4's price which is £350.

himdeel1989d ago

MS cannot remove Kinect now. It's the feature that they are touting as a unique feature to Xbox One games. Besides why would any developer bother implementing Kinect features if now not every Xbox One consumer has one.

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talisker1990d ago

Mandatory camera watching all the time is worse for me than any DRM and Internet requirements.

asmith23061990d ago

Exactly! No one seems to be talking about having a camera under your TV all the time. M$ have said that it won't be on, but I dunno, these days I wouldn't believe that.

xxLuckyStrike1990d ago (Edited 1990d ago )

Unless it was Sony haha!!! I'd pay top dollar or euro to see the spin on that one. Given that Sony now charges for online multi-player. Sony elitists were jedi mind tricked while high and drunk off all in the M$ bashing. Then later awoke only to eat all their words compiled over the last 8+ years. Now praising Sony for charging them on the way to bank!!! Spin it baby!!! Spin it!!!

Foxgod1990d ago

I dont see how kinect watching is a problem is you can take your console offline.

If you are scared off that, just never go online...
And while at it, never use a phone, never use a laptop, a pc, or any other form of interactive media, because they might be watching.

Retroman1990d ago

Dont you think you went little over board with that?? boogey man not coming out of kinect 2.0

Foxgod1990d ago (Edited 1990d ago )

Personally i think people already go overboard when they claim kinect is watching.
yes theres a camera in it, yes the console can go online.

But all the stuff i mentioned has a camera and go online.
Heck even tv's are build with camera's for skype calls.
People who cant handle the combination of internet and a camera, should avoid internet alltogether.

I dont mind however, so il be enjoying my X1 games this year.

jmc88881989d ago

No Foxgod, there's your perception of the world, then there is the reality of our world.

If you spent five minutes, or hopefully a whole lot more paying attention to what is happening on this blue dot in the milky way, you'd understand your position is extremely ignorant, and completely false.

You lie to yourself with asinine sophistry, and think, incorrectly I might add, that you actually came up with a valid point. You didn't.

First off Microsoft already admitted they were going to use the data to advertise to you and all sorts of creepy stuff. Imagine you and your boyfriend/husband having a minor little argument, and within some short time period you get a phone call, and all sorts of other ads about couples counseling. You want to know WHERE I got that 'over the top' example? From the PATENT of a Smart TV. That's right. Basically Microsoft has said Kinect will do the same, but with a whole lot more information and far more creepy ways to advertise to you.

You also assume that everybody with access to such data is on the up and up.

Too bad, because that isn't the case.

This information will then be sold to thousands of corporations. So they'll make money off how big you are, whether you need glasses, if you smoke, what food or beverages you consume, alcoholic or not, and so much more.

Since you're now aware that thousands of companies ARE CURRENTLY BUYING SIMILAR DATA, why wouldn't they want what Kinect gives them? After all, if they can make more money doing's only business.

So why would insurance companies want a record of your physical size? To see if you are the same size as when you took out your life insurance policy, or to see if you should be on another health insurance plan. After all, if you're fat (and I'm not saying you are) then if they aren't 'charging' you like you are, then they are losing money. Thus Kinect gives them the info to save costing YOU MORE money. See how this works?

Now that you know what sort of motive, and what sort of data you give them, I bet if you really tried you could sit there and think of many ways you can be exploited. Because anyone with a Kinect2 will be massively exploited.

But it goes much further, because the NSA and many other institutions, and corporations, and other gov'ts are listening in on you.

I guarantee you your life is currently crappier than it could be, simply because such operations exist. Simply because besides Kinect you are right, we are being illegally spied upon. Because the data they get has been used to collude. It's like a shadow information market, and those that pay for it, get an advantage. Do you realize how much that can impact stock markets, mergers, and all sorts of business dealings? Well it does and it is.

Right now the NSA doesn't even own it's those who are watching us, have a corporation watching THEM. Amazing.

jmc88881989d ago

It's called fascism, it's what this country now is. People shouldn't think its harmless because fascism caused hundreds of millions of deaths last century...and at THAT time, people with a very similar 'it doesn't matter' attitude allowed it to occur. Just so you know where YOU stand.

Also you act as if all these other things are happening, so why does it matter? That it's tacitly ok. Plus you assume that you can't do these things without allowing the spying.

How would you like to have your Kinect beaming naked pictures of say a future child? I mean, maybe you'll have one in the next 7 or so years Kinect2 will be in your life. Would you like that? No, of course not. But its very possible it will happen to someone.

After all, similar things have already occurred with laptops.

You really need to wake up before you wake up and there are metaphoric walls all around you.

Because everything that I've told you, is true. EVERY BIT OF IT.

Before denying people's facts, you might want to look around first...because whether you like it or not, I'm not just acting out to save my own butt, but mostly to save the butts of the ignorant, who because they are ignorant, will be the ones that suffer the most.

You don't live in candy land, you live in fascist land, and you are just a consumer to them, that is, until things have broken down far enough that you don't have any money, and're nothing.

Can't handle the combination doesn't have anything to do with it. It's what the people have the ability and fake authority to do with that combination, which is in fact really happening that is concerning.

Just because you put your head in the sand, doesn't change the FACT that it is happening.

I feel so sad for you, oblivious to reality, and open for complete exploitation.

I hope it doesn't happen, but it'll only not happen if people like me and a few million others continue our fight.

Otherwise, you will be exploited, and it will impact your life.

A smoker may enjoy smoking, but rest assured, a good number of them will get cancer.

I think that analogy is appropriate, except EVERY kinect2 user WILL BE EXPLOITED, the only question is.... how often and to what degree.

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MasterCornholio1990d ago

In my opinion they still need to lower the price by any means necessary. Like getting rid of Kinect and making it optional for example.

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TemplarDante1990d ago

I dont trust the bastards, Yes, thats what I call people that want to steal my consumer rights.
YES.. they reversed their policy.
But that was because Sony forced their hand. I still dont trust them.
If you do, you are both foolish and naive.

Jdoki1990d ago

First off, I am buying a PS4, and am not (yet) planning to buy an XBOne.

But let's be clear here. No large company can be trusted. Have people already forgotten about the CD rootkit craziness that Sony instigated.

Software_Lover1990d ago (Edited 1990d ago )

Yes they have. Sony can do no wrong, and when they do, it was for us because they love us.

EA was wrong (Sim City DRM, online passes)but they can implement changes (got rid of online passes, showed a great looking Battlefield 4) and all is well.

Ubisoft was wrong (Splinter Cell and Assassins creed DRM) but they can implement changes and show great games (Watch dogs, the division and the crew which are online only by the way) and all is forgiven.

Microsoft was wrong (wanted to implement a DRM console) but they implement changes (got rid of the DRM 5 months before the console even released) and people hate them forever, its not good enough.

I give Sony the nod for dropping online passes with the ps4, but they had to because they are now charging for online. It's a win/lose situation for many people. But many of us were paying for PS+ anyway.

It's just the way the world works. I bubbled you up though.

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