GR: "Sure, Wii U isn't as powerful as PS4 or Xbox One, but Nintendo of America's president says that doesn't matter."
Different times, the PS2 also had a ton of games, some major publishers are not even making games for the Wii U and all people get from Nintendo are Mario/Zelda/some other remake games
Yes, it's a completely different situation. PS2 was more powerful than the Dreamcast and it launched 18 months before the Xbox and GCN. Sony kept up the momentum and by the time Xbox/GCN launched there were already a ton of 1st party and 3rd party games on PS2. Wii-U, on the other hand, completely squandered its headstart. People didn't know (and some still don't know) that the thing exists, and software sales for Wii-U are beyond dismal.
I'm glad you pointed out the time difference between the ps2 and og xbox and gcn(game cube),the ps2 was weak by comparison only because it realesed before its competitors.
at thesame time the gap between PS2, xbox and GC was close to zero. in the wii U case it's a whole different story.
Did you just say the PS2 was more powerful then the Dreamcast? If that had any truth to it why did every game ported from Dreamcast to PS2 or X-Box or Gamecube have to be downgraded in some way to run on the Dreamcasts competitors consoles? Ecco the dolphin is one of many great examples of downgrading the visuals by comparaison to the original Dreamcast version.
@rgd because each console had a quirk that allowed it to perform something better than its competitor.
Wow, it's like Microsoft and Nintendo got together and came up with this "power/specs" doesn't matter LOL. PS4 babay. PS4!!!
I think Dedicatedtogamers summed it up the best.
I just don't see the point of that article. I'll probably get a lot of disagrees with this statement. The Wii-U will be released about a year ahead of the PS4 & XBONE and I have a feeling both consoles will surpass the Wii-U in the first 6 months.
Specs isn't everything, it's just an opportunity to do something on grander scale, or with newer technologies.
More Games Less Gimmicks So many similarities can be drawn between Dreamcast and Wii U except Dreamcast has tons of great games at launch window. Its strange Reggie did not use it as reference to " weakest specs don't matter" Also the difference between Dreamcast PS2 Xbox and GC in terms of specs are not leaps and bounds compared to Ps4 and Wii u.
Come on this is a broken record seriously. The WiiU launched before competition, didn't advertise, didn't have decent games at launch, is overpriced, doesn't have 3rd party support. Quite a bit different then the PS2.
Wii U is last gen so it's actually the strongest console out of the PS3 and Xbox 360.
dedicatedtogamers...mostly right...and mostly in the situation being different part...but i see what you're saying... the PS2 was in no way 'more powerful' than the DC...The Ps2 was the beginning of Sony's chest thumping through made up marketing to attract a core audience...the 'reality synthesizer' and all that was just talk backed up only by how great the hardware was at extremely specific programming...that trend obviously continued onto the ps3... The DC always had a clear advantage in video ram, but arguably at a time when that wasn't all that big of a deal (this was way before most people even heard of an HDTV, and if you happened to buy one...you were an idiot) In either case...i still totally agree that the situation in the past with the DC and PS2 was in no way comparable to the Wii U... the PS2 dominated because it had ALL the games...there wasn't a single 3rd party 'big deal' that wasn't on the PS2 for an entire generation...other than RE4...Nintendo saying they'll be fine with a much weaker system, because the PS2 did incredibly well, undermines the entire decade+ that the ps2 now has under its belt as an uncontested blood bath... the Wii U, unlike the PS2, has NO games...NO games Vs. ALL the games...is about as close as you can get to the two extremes of the industry...hell, apparently even Nintendo isn't developing for it....
Wii U = ripoff, and should've been released in 2006/2007.
@mikeslemonade I understand WiiU is a little underpowered, but how do you compare it to last gen? When the wii and Ps3 launched at the same time?
Damage control Reggie is trying to spin this, you can't just compare the Wii U to the PS2. One of them actually HAD 3rd party support and EXCLUSIVES ;)
I think that's why I'm so down on Nintendo lately: for the company that made the slogan "Now you're playing with power", they did a total 180 and couldn't do a 360, but are now pulling off a One (if you follow me).
Well said. I can't add anything more to this nail-on-the-head logic!
GCN? I think you meant NGC. It wasn't the Gamecube Nintendo, it was the Nintendo Gamecube.
@ASBO-5 Actually, he's right. Is the GCN, since the letters "NGC" belonged to the NeoGeo Color and couldn't be used.
I think the biggest mistake is the name. People think it's another peripheral!
Should have stuck with Nintendo Revolution
Agreed. It was a sad attempt to cash in and coast on the Wii's popularity but all it did was confuse people into thinking it was just a tablet controller for a system they stopped caring about 3 years ago.
true, but to be honest with you, I think my set up will be a PS4 this generation with a WiiU. That way I get the best of both worlds.
Wii U + PC is even a better set up.
@Prime I have a decent PC and I play games like Diablo and Starcraft on it. But the day I miss out on Sony's First party exclusives would be the day I've stopped gaming for life (I made myself sad). and @Roper316 I want the Nintendo WiiU because of the exclusives not the multiplats which would look better on PS4 anyway. But I want to play games like the next Zelda.
@S2killinit I think hes looking at the offerings objectively and when you look at it like that hes right. Facts show that you get the broadest selection of genres with those two systems. But we all have our preferences towards certain genres, studios and franchises which is what ultimately decides which systems we buy.
@Pekolie well said, and true. You are a gentleman and a scholar.
PS2 was all about the games period! It didn't have some gimmicky Ipad like controller and it had 3rd party games coming out of everywhere to put in nicely. Wii-U doesn't currently have the 1st party line-up on par with the PS2 & Sony's offerings and then it's harder to find a 3rd party dev that says they develop on the Wii-U then it is to find one that says they don't. To me that is a very very bad sign and one Ninty should do everything in it's power to change. No system will ever be in the same class as the PS2 as far as I'm concerned because PS2 was only about games and nothing else and no console will ever be that way again.
Lol about nintendo having a gimmicky controller. You do realise that playstation and xbox controllers are copies of the Nintendo's previous controllers. Nintendo don't do gimmicks they do innovation and anything Nintendo does Sony and Microsoft Copy.
Ps4 is now as easy to develop for as ps1 which is better then ps2. So developers may support it like the ps2 this time. Indies already making their attacks on the ps4. We will get a great launch titles :P Assassin's Creed 4: Black Flag  Battlefield 4 Call of Duty: Ghosts Watch Dogs DriveClub (ps+) Killzone: Shadow Fall Knack And others that i'm personally not interested on.. I kind of feel that the ps4 will achieve that. Self publishing , no fee on updates , easy to develop for..etc
@Sincere0121 Oh so innovative right when smartglass and ps4 remoteplay with vita and mobile devices were announced way before the tablet on the Wii U. And next generation is when both technologies will be showcased to near perfection. And please. I can't call Nintendo innovative when they keep shoving out the same IP's. They're so afraid of releasing games without Mario or Zelda slapped on it, because they won't sell as well. Nintendo gamers are stuck in an infinite loop of the same games with better graphics. Whereas Playstation and Xbox are receiving new IP's all the time, from Quantum Break to Last of Us to Knack and Sunset Overdrive. Every generation Sony says hello to it's gamers with brand new IP's and Xbox is gaining on them with their lineup this generation. That's what I call innovative. Can you say the same about Nintendo?
@Sincere0121 You know your on a website full of fanboys when you get massively down voted for telling the truth!
so... DVD playback wasn't a gimmick? Lol yeah, right. And what do you call this thing? http://www.techibuzz.com/wp... no gimmicks? Yeah lol.
Yeah I was gonna say the PS2 had tons and tons of games and exclusives. While Nintendo is struggling hard to get third party on board. EDIT: "Even if you look at the generation before that, it was Sony's product that was underpowered compared to the other two home consoles and yet they won that generation. In the end it comes down to the games. The games drive the install base, the games excite the consumer." Exactly, which is why The PS4 and X1 games have allot of people more excited over your console.
all the nintendo people get are zelda/metroid/mario = the best gameplay games ever made? fair enough (: thats all they get, nothing else is coming ): (:
I'm not saying they are bad games, but it's time Nintendo fanboys stop using that excuse that they are the best games ever made. They were good games back then yes, but you can't live off from re-making the same games over and over
"zelda/metroid/mario = the best gameplay games ever" This is where most Nintendo fanboys are coming from; a bubble in which there are only Nintendo games.
Lol "thats all they get" even if it was, its still don't alter the fact that Sony and Xbox games are crap compared to nintendo. Nintendo games can be played for a lifetime, they have longevity, good replay value and there not boring. I cant say the same for Playstation or Xbox.
Its obvious you haven't played any of the more recent nintendo "fanboy games", hence you call them re-makes < lol All these mario and zelda games/nintendo exclusives bring is NEW ENHANCING GAME-PLAY MECHANICS to video game land < no biggie maybe u should do some research before complaining/whining < thanks for your time (:
@ Sincere, what a stupid thing to say, you are the typical fanboy who lives inside a little bubble. Nintendo games can be played for a lifetime? What game can't be played for a lifetime? Maybe you meant" Nintendo has been coming up with the same games for a lifetime" @Bully, why not do all those updates to new ips? you probably live with Sincere inside the same bubble
I would buy a wii u or Nintendo system just for their games. I would buy a playstation for games like naughty dog is making. umm I like xbox but the only real thing going is the xbox live. IMO Nintendo has the best and the most 1st party exclusives, and the thing about most of the games they make is the replay value. I still can play 20 year old Nintendo games and have fun and play for hours.
@xHeavYx You start your comment with 'what a stupid thing to say' and then proceed to talk absolute crap yourself..... nice! Nintendo make great games with massive replay values. How many Sony/MS exclusives will you play over and over? I bet the REAL truth is you couldn't count them on one hand!
That maybe true but PS2 had exclusives and PS4 is not
you: why not do all those updates to new ips? you probably live with Sincere inside the same bubble because we are talking about games, video games = gameplay < fact . . the fug do new Ip's have to do with gameplay ? yuve been drinking again huh
did I attack you not. PS2 has final fantasy, kingdom heart and metal gear as an exclusives and PS4 is not having them like that
This is so bad it's laughable. Ninty fanboys so up in arms that they're attacking each other cuz they can't get things straight. Anyway, even though the Wii U may be analogous to the PS2 in terms of power when it comes to the competition, that's about it. The PS2 had far more third party support, and there was no question in the public's eyes concerning the device's identity. Those things are going against the Wii U right now, and don't look to be improving any time soon.
Did the PS2 start with those exclusives? No. I'll bet you that at the end of PS4's life cycle we'll see even more new IP's and games than the PS3 brought us this generation.
Why are you guys downvoting this guy? He's right? Sony had HEAVY hitting, MONSTROUS 3rd party exclusives on PlayStation 2, like MGS 3, Kingdom Hearts, Okami, God Hand, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Tekken, Zone of the Enders, ect. ect. And now all of those franchises are all multiplats.
As a kid, I always needed to create a plan to sucker my parents into getting me games. The PS2 made it extremely easy for me as it offered dvd functionality which was huge bc dvd players were fairly new at the time. PS3 same scenario... except I had to wait till the 40gb because the price was too steep for my parents even with the blu-ray included but yea I mean u kinda can't compare Wii U to the PS2 because they were in different ages. We are always connected now, back then we kinda sorta weren't
Wii U gonna win anyway
If yall disagree me oh well it my damn opinion don't like it deal with kids
Your opinion has a 99.9% chance of being wrong just saying.
Drinking that Nintendo Kool-Aid ;)
I don't agree with your opinion. Wii U wont win. But it's my personal favorite console. Even if the Wii U goes the way of the GameCube or, in worst case, Dreamcast (which I doubt) I will enjoy it non the less.
What is this backwards day or something? Two console makers have made some pretty should I say stupid remarks! First Microsoft with their "Which way is up?" pr nightmare, now Nintendos, duh.... just compare us to a decade old machine! I'm really crossing my fingers that Sony doesn't top this off with something stupid to say.
You sony fanboys are hilarious. Come back to me when sony establishes a franchise as big Mario or Zelda. @1lawrence Gran Turismo 4 (highest selling of series) - 15 mil Mario Kart Wii - 34 mil
gran turismo says hi
I've only played 2 Zelda games and 3 mario games and i'm already tired of the same games all over again.
Let me correct you wii sports 80 million ..people can add all the major franchises for both Sony and Microsoft and they will never sell as many as wii sports ...that's facts not hearsay counter that ....so all yall saying mario ,Zelda ,etc are kiddie games last time I checked I don't think 80 million kids were playing wii sports or 34 millions kids only played mario kart ..Lol adults play it also lol smh all this nintendo this nintendo.That ..nintendo ain't going nowhere like I said before stop being a nintendo hater and be a gamer enjoy all systems and games .... Also didnt we all have this conversation over7 years ago Sony ,Microsoft is more powerful ..blah blah blah blah ...who won the last generation again a fact nintendo did with the so called weaker system lol
@jay70sgamer - You can't really throw Wii sports into the mix, for most of those numbers are fluffed from it being bundled with the console.
@Jay70sgamer Yea lets compare a game that was included in every system bundle available.. because ya know everybody really wanted that game
Ok since yall trying to say that was bundled what about wii fit 23 million sold more than the entire god of war series and that was 7 releases ..wii fit was not only a new IP in which people say nintendo doesnt do but it was released once on the wii and outsold the entire gods of war series lol....nintendo moves way more units than Sony and Microsoft ...it's a fact once again not an opinion .....nintendo can just release one of there franchise games and can outsell some of Sony and xbox total series(mario kart,wii fit ,Pokemon etc etc etc ....tell me who moves the most units and software ...I just don't understand the hate ...like I said I love games not systems .yes nintendo is not moving units at the moment but once they release something a person likes systems are sold(smash bros,mario kart ,Zelda ,Mario yoshi sonic etc etc etc ..so don't act like before this generation is over you are not gonna get a wii u people on here are funny it's gonna be just like last generation everybody is gonna have a wiiu &ps4,,,wii u /xbox one or wiiu /pc ...in reality wiiu is the alternative that's fact not opinion ....we all have a favorite nintendo game that is gonna make us buy a system that's why nintendo just sits back and let them two fight it out(sony& xbox) ....also I wanna point I owned all 3 last generation and probably will again ..I defend nintendo because sometimes they get the short end of the stick while the other companies get a pass (example playstaion people was complaining about xbox live ..but now you on Sony have to pay to play multiplayer but now it's ok ......that's being a hypocrite ...or nintendo run there franchises into the ground but how many halos was released on xbox360 or call of duties nobody complains or gods of war thats hypocrisy
@Jay70sgamer I have a WiiU and I wasn't hating on the system, I was just pointing out how Wii Sports shouldn't be included in sales numbers. I will say this though, WiiU needs more games, 1st and 3rd party. IMO, if they don't come out this holiday season, they are going to have a hard time keeping up with the other big 2.
@lukeb4 dunk I wasn't directing that at you I was just making a point and not all wii 's was bundled with wii sport in the first few years yes but there are so many different bundles the wii fit bundle mario kart bundle so you have to count that because its still software because anyone could have just bought a basic with no game .......I just just point out the realities of things ..I was just pointing that out ....I could care less who wins the console war they are not paying me anything all three... I just want to enjoy there games lol and the new games are here starting in aug the games are here so people can't use that excuse anymore and yes they need more third party in the future but this year they are ok this holiday season all the major third party will be on wii u splinter cell ,call of duty ghosts ,watch dog ,sonic,batman ....so people can't really say they are missing alot except grand theft auto and that is still a maybe ...and a few sports games and battlefield
because we all know sales equals quality. Yup, wii fit is one quality game.
You Nintendo fanboys are hilarious. Come back to me when Nintendo establishes new IP's and experiences like Sony has in it's 20 years of existence vs. Nintendo's 30 years of repetition. You Ninty fanboys have been playing Mario/Metroid/ and Zelda since 1985. While Sony provided us with games like Spyro/Crash Bandicoot/FF7 to Ratchet and Clank/Sly Cooper/ Jak and Daxter to Uncharted/ Resistance/ Last of Us/Infamous/God of War/ Heavy Rain. You guys should know how long the list is by now.
Comparing sales like that is ridiculous if u don't also include the sales of the consoles. I will speak on Sonys behalf. Sony has sold over 75 million consoles. GT5 has sold 10 million units. Thats an attachment rate of 7.5% which is pretty damn impressive considering just how many other games are available on the platform