"Calling this feature set impressive is an undersell. It's breakthrough technology on many levels, with applications far beyond watching content or playing games. It's the future, and we all get to see it today."
All I'm thinking of is with the first Kinect, they couldn't show enough games and gameplay with the system years before they actually released it to the public. That dodgeball title. Yet with Kinect 2.0, I've yet to see any game footage. There may indeed be some, but I've yet to see it. Why has it become so hard to show it working now when thy had no problems showing it when it really didn't work?
Not sure PS fans know what they want.
Pre E3: lulz xbox show is gonna be just tv and lame Kinect. Good luck with not playing any games on Kinectbox.
Post E3: Ha! Kinect haz no gaemz! Why?
On a serious note though, did you stop to consider the differences between Kinect and K2 release conditions?
Kinect came in years into the 360 life cycle and they had to sell it to us at every opportunity. K2 on the other hand comes with every new Xbox sold.
Now that they don't have to sell us on K2, they can control their game reveals for events, much like the other Xbox One games at E3.
How many PS4 move games have we seen? And that thing comes separately.
Oh it sees you like never before alright. It's always on and watching, listening, even when you don't want it too. I will not have a spy camera in my house watching my kids, my wife, or me. Nor will I have a spy mic listening to everything that I say and do. No thanks Micro$oft. This shows the "Big Brother" syndrome that Micro$oft has developed. Well I don't need a big brother.
Unlike the Move, MS is completely basing its console off of this "feature" whether you want it or not. Therefore, it has to prove its worth the $100 extra. So far it hasn't.
Crimson Dragon: an XBLA title which made solely to promote and sell Kinect 1.0. Was announced early in the "system's" history only to be delayed again and again as other games meant to prove the Kintect's full market value, Steel Battalion, Sonic Free Riders, Star Wars Kinect, Milo, either don't work well, or were only highly promoted and empty concepts. Many years later with Kinect 2.0, Crimson Dragon is no longer a showcase title for motion control, but instead uses a physical controller. As does another once Kinect-centric title; Ryse. In fact at this point, every game on the XB1 is a Kinect game, uses Kinect, but only its voice command features. I repeat: every game on the XB1 could and can be considered to be a Kinect game because of the voice command feature. This doesn't prove that Kinect actually works as a motion controller, just that its there. And again my opening point - not that it matters - when Kinect 1.0 was first being shown off it had games to be shown off with. Now its years later, developers have had experience with the older version, there are tons of videos on Youtube of PC modders utilizing it in games like Minecraft and elder Scrolls, and yet with Kinect 2.0 all that's ever seen of its motion control features is a debug mode. The voice command gets used with everything, but the visual motion control aspect is only that debug mode.
@mewhy32, http://kotaku.com/xbox-ones... Trying reading and less guessing.
Sony knows that casual gamers ad hardcore gamers only play Kinect/Move games casually. Truth is, that not a single move game was announced(well I think). And no one complained. Are you sure you want Natal...errr I mean Kinect ? Or you just want it because you don't have decent arguments to defend your microsoft faithfulness ?
@mewhy32 You can turn the camera off, its in standby mode and only turns after hearing the words "xbox on". It also has various secure settings that you control. Your fears are the same as the ones we heard prior to the original kinects release....it turned out to be a bunch of wild unfounded scenario's then same as all these "spy theories" now. @Hammadthebeast I say its worth every penny given all the UI functionality, and options for games it allows. Also everyone whos had the privilege of seeing demos have praised the tech. @Godsmar, the original kinect did do some nice things that were subtle features in a few core game but past failures of the old Kinect does not mean they should give up and scrap kinect....NO what you do is build off of what worked and learn from what didn't to expand its usefulness, if your attitude was that of most creators/devs/tech companies we wouldnt have many of the great gadgets we use everyday.
@JokesOnYou: My point is that where Kv1 had plenty of live and proof of concept presentations, Kv2 has gotten less. It strikes me as strong contradiction to be saying something has been improved, and give less example of improvement than the version before it.
@Godmars290: "It strikes me as strong contradiction to be saying something has been improved, and give less example of improvement than the version before it." Has it struck you, that you and your ilk is the very reason MS don't showcase it anymore. You probably don't even know why, but you willify MS at every opportunity even when something is positive. Because of this, they have bended to your will and no longer shows it to you. Doesn't mean, they don't make games, or are interested. MS willj just be more careful about what and when they show it, to prevent all the haters from saying "I don't want Kinect". On a side note, there are plenty of tech demos shown how capable Kinect One is, but one really has to open their eyes and mind to view it. Otherwise it is just like showing a hot naked women to a gay person!
"On a side note, there are plenty of tech demos shown how capable Kinect One is, but one really has to open their eyes and mind to view it." Again and once more: not talking about Kinect 1.0 but 2.0. If they've learned and built from one version to the next they should only be proud to show off all that it can do. Not just focus on the few aspect that they managed to get working but could have been done cheaper.
"The Xbox Sees You Like Never Before" With headlines like this, here comes the 100s of The NSA spying allegations on N4G! Popcorn ready, in 3, 2, 1.... Edit, too late, ^^^^ beats me to the punch. LOL
The NSA doesn't need Kinect to spy on us. They have several other ways to do it.
Precisely this! Your front facing camera on your phone, your laptop, your digital footprint, cctv, medical records...
You'll make a good sheep for Big Brother
HA! This is gonna be hilarious when my friend Bob is gonna walk in when I'm playing Xbox and try what every Sony fanboy is saying "Xbox Off! Xbox Off! Xbox Off!" And were all going to there and laugh at him :D
I had this thought about Kinect, what if someone comes in your room and say Xbox Off, while ur playing games? Can I command Kinect to turn off when I say it? I wonder if any Game Journalist ever ask those questions to Microsoft? Seem kind of fucked up if Kinect is not smart enough if anyone can say Xbox off, without the user's constant. Maybe there will be a patch lol! Can you imagine kids fighting over this?
"The face recognition recognizes you, personally, and can tell if you're "engaged" or not engaged, meaning if you say "Xbox pause" while not looking at the TV, it won't listen to you. " I would assume by that quote, that if Kinect is focused on the person actively using it and someone else screams commands at it, it will just ignore that person.
Thanks for the answers guys giving u all agrees. Thanks!
@Ashunderfire 86 Kinect recognizes your face and also your mouthmovement as well as your personal voice.
I don't get what people worry about when they say someone could come into your room and shout Xbox Off and it will turn your Xbox off. They could also run into your room and press the power button to turn off your console so I don't get the problem. If they do it, throw them out. Simple.
I already know that, but just wanted to know if Kinect is that smart enough just listen to the current user instead of some random person? Some people on here already gave me that answer now.
It's an improvement for sure. There is lag and heart rate didn't seem to work properly but the body rotation, impact thing and able to calculate things in the dark or uneven lighing are very nice indeed. Will it mainly be used for exercise and dancing games? porbably (besides none gaming things like Skype and to control tv). We'll have to wait and see.
Its clear now that this site is useless as a valid source of information. MY post has not only been marked as trolling but the mods have removed two of these so caled bubbles.. While the most revulsive trolls are sitting with the ability to post multiple comments. I believe this shows where the website lies in favour of which group of commenters, as such I have had enough of this so called news site. This shall be my last post, another true gamer lost to the many many sony trolls.
You contributed nothing to the discussion and then linked a 4 year old article entitled "PS3 Fanboys are just the worst" Don't want your bubbles taken away...don't link such flagrant flamebait. Chillax dude...they're only bubbles.
The tech inside the Kinect is clearly amazing. Too bad it's useless for core games which is the main reseaon why someone would pay $500 for a console.
I can see some usefulness in games, like for example the new "Lean" feature in COD:Ghosts, is perfectley geared to react to you leaning you head a little bit.
Everyone says 30 fps is so bad yet killzone knack and driveclub run at 30 fps.
How is 30fps bad ?
ask DJ marty
The technology is cool, I just want nothing to do with it personally. I like my privacy and this thing is pretty much the ultimate invasion of privacy and gathering of personal data.
it's nice that it can do all that, it's not so nice that you can't turn it off. and in the orientation demo, the guy turned around, but the figure didn't. ^_^
You can turn the kinect off
Funny, pausing it,. right. you can not disconnect it.
no you can't. they say you can, but that's another one of their lies, it's still listening, always, it has to be on to be able to do that. if you could truly turn it off, you could use the x1 with the kinect disconnected, but so far it seems that's not possible. only ms know for certain, but once people get the final version we'll discover the truth of the situation.
Please people I HATE MOTION CONTROLLED GAMING. I didnt buy a Wii for that reason, I dont want it in my next gen consoles.
@solidworm Give it a chance they might have something awesome 4 it. Im not really into all the running and jumping but little things like voice command and leaning on airplane games im kool with
what will happen if you have an identical twin? just curious...
don't worry, They will be able to tell you apart through biometrics., it can scan your retina,.. Rocket science stuff.
Wait till you guys find out their projections,. for selling your personal info to marketers,.. Taking data mining to the extreme next level... You xbots are gonna Love the non-sense they will put on the dash board- completely customized to you.. -Personal subliminal's depending on your mood. How anyone would allow a mic and camera into the living room, is beyond me. -M$ has already said they will be selling your info, to marketers. gives Windows,. a whole new meaning. (one of the reasons the company was started,.- window's into our lives) Remember their launch,. this is a Gloryholed Tv box, that monitors you,.. and just happens to play games.
@sAVAge You can't tell people that! Because you know you'll be labeled the "F" word. It automatically is a good thing because it comes equipped to a so called gaming console, yet Microsoft bullet point is about the magic of the "CLOUDS" & 300,000 servers! Why people can't see the painting on the wall is beyond me! Do people realize that these 300,000 servers are supposedly bigger than any other data center? Yes bigger than anything the government has of now! Also Microsoft has major contracts through the government? This stuff is not made up. Anyone ever wonder how a company with the worst failure rate in history could continue to sell the same failing product without it being recalled!? We see recalled products daily worldwide, why not this product? Because the answers have always been in the details. For something to be able to physically identify me when I step into my living room, and it's not living and breathing like me, I don't know anyone else take on that, I know that it gives me the willies! This type of technology is just not ready for consumer consumption at this point! There are to many variables involved for it's misuse. Man can have the best intentions in the world, but just because he is a man, those same intentions can lead to negative outcomes.
I found the location of one of the new cloud data centers.. http://www.wired.com/threat...
@Savage and Stuna I am going to assume that neither of you have smart phones. If you don't then yes you are practicing what you preach. If you do have smartphones, you should stop contradicting yourselves and STFU!
Actually I don't, got rid of mine.
if you have a facebook and webcam then you REALLY shouldn't complain about game consoles supposedly spying, stop fear mongering
I will buy the XB1 specifically because of Kinect 2. I doubt I will ever play with it, but Kinect 1 is the only reasons my son (6 years old) or my wife (exercise) ever touch my 360. It’s taken a toy that was just mine and turned it into something that the whole family now uses. Hence I get less static playing my hardcore games (PS3 and Xbox) because other people in my house now see the value of the box for themselves. We games need to stop being such incredibly self-interested prigs and realize that it’s actually in our interest (personally very much so) for others to be interested in our hobby. It was much harder for me to justify to my family spending so much time and money gaming when it was just for me. Thank you Kinect!
Funny how how you can post a comment here only as long as it "conforms." I posted something earlier relating to Big Brother and now it's gone and I'm missing bubbles. What the hell are bubbles anyway and am I supposed to care? Freedumb of speech. JUST WATCH WHAT YOU SAY. I'm sure this will be deleted soon. Disagree all you want. Then get back in line and obey.
LMFAO at all the conspirators above. Take off the tinfoil hats. I can't wait for the Kinect 2.0. A welcomed device in my home...of course I believe in tech moving forward in helping our lives...many ppl on here would rather keep living in the past and stop tech advancement altogether.
Just 1 quick question to you, the NSA leak and those involved with supplying personal information was a conspiracy!? That's news to me. Edit; Did you read my comment? "Microsoft" was first on the list of companies involved in giving out personal information as well as high jacking personal skype communications, so what makes you think this will be different? All they'll do is wait until the heat dies down with the negative publicity, and they'll just revert back to the old Microsoft we love/s
No, the conspiracy is that KINECT will record all your information and monitor your every movement and send to MS... Please try and keep up. You are talking about NSA yet ignoring that I am referring to Kinect. How does the NSA affect other countries OUTSIDE of the USA where the XB1 will be sold? NSA is just the new "BUZZ" work in the U.S. media and now it applies to EVERYTHING from smartphones to Gaming devices. Just let it go, Americans have once again been brainwashed by the american media to make you paranoid. Please don't act like an immature paranoid child spouting his idiotic fabricated ideas that have no backing or supported by any means in which Kinect is a trojan horse for MS to gather and sell your information.
yes your Shepard Microsoft has nothing but the best intentions for you,.. never mind the orignal launch plan was to treat you like a criminal.
Right, only your Sony corp of a god cares about the gamer's over making money.... Please. Stop with all this my corp is better then your corp BS. Both have only 1 interest in mind and that is to take your money. Also, I don't see how MS was treating me like a criminal with DRM... My PS3 and 360 have been hooked up to the internet since day 1 My S3 has been hooked up to my provider 24/7 unless i am on someone elses network...which means it STILL connected to the internet. My Ipad has been attached to my network since day 1 My TV is even connected to the internet. So why do I care if my XB1 would be hooked up the internet all the time...everything else i have is...why now all of a sudden MS is the Devil? You are a perfect example of a person who just wants to complain about things not worth to complain about. That mole hill just keeps getting bigger with your type. Nothing will deter me from buying an XB1 day 1. I prefer what MS is offering ME as a consumer vs. what little Sony is offering me as a consumer. That's just my own preferences. I feel the XB1 is offering me more bang for my buck. I want more then just a little black box under my TV that plays games, i want so much more, and deserve more as a customer. As we move closer and closer to a highly technical future...i would rather be apart of that then stay in the past with limited views of future progression like in which Sony is forcing their consumers.
Well said Lvl_up, well said.
Just wow this site is descending into the worst kind of gaming filth I have ever seen.
"The Xbox Sees You Like Never Before..." spies on you and mines data about you to sell to companies without your consent!! BUY XBOX ONE TODAY!!!
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