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Submitted by nolander64 417d ago | opinion piece

Dear Microsoft, You've Finally Lost My Respect

Microsoft has been hard at work promoting the Xbox One - er, well not promoting it, so much as launching campaigns to tarnish the PS4's name. (Culture, Microsoft)

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Smoovekid  +   417d ago | Well said
They lost my respect with Windows 8.
Relientk77  +   417d ago
Eww Windows 8

gross
Genesis5  +   417d ago
I know I do my gaming on Pc and on PS3. Windows 8 is a horrible mess. They really need to fix it somehow.
dedicatedtogamers  +   417d ago | Well said
It doesn't surprise me to see articles like this (gaming sites simply reflect the general feeling of their readers, typically).

What surprises me is how long it took.

None of Microsoft's recent behavior is new, it's simply more pronounced. Why people respected Microsoft in the first place is beyond me. They've always expressed their goal of being in the gaming market to take over the living room.
dark-hollow  +   417d ago
I liked windows 8.

Its faster, way more efficient and organised.

The metro layout sucks on pc, but for laptops with touch, hybrids its awesome.
FSAB   417d ago | Spam
gamer7804  +   417d ago
I don't see why all the hate on windows 8, even if you don't like the tile interface, there is no denying it is a much faster operating system, so if you like windows 7, you should inherently like windows 8. there is still the desktop experience you can customize to your hearts content , blue 8.1 will add built in features to do what you can already make windows do outside of metro.
papashango  +   417d ago
Windows 8 is the OS where they try to push their own agenda. Windows 9 is when they go back to what the consumer wants.

It's a pattern that continuously repeats itself.
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The_HarryEtTubMan  +   417d ago | Well said
I used to think it was just Sony fanboys hating competition when I was a 360 gamer, but it took me seeing what they tried to pull with the Xbox One to realize MS is a cancer.
kreate  +   417d ago
The thing is... we don't need windows 8.

Xp and win7 pretty much got everything covered.

Hopefully google makes a os for desktop pc so I can switch to something other than windows.

If not, they gotta stop making windows for a while.

Lets stay with 7 for a while longer.

I don't want to hear news about windows 9 next year
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badz149  +   417d ago
I don't hate Win 8
I just don't like it!

for tablet/smartphones...sure it looks different from Android and iOS but on laptops and pcs, it's just a mess and a resource hog at that too! if your laptops and pc monitors aren't touch type, which consist of the MAJORITY of Win users out there, Win 8 tiles are nothing more but over-sized desktop icons which in itself is annoying!

sure, you can revert back to the natural Win look with the Start button...so why didn't just stick with that in the 1st place?? Win 7 is all you need and seeing how so many are against Win 8 - hey don't flame me, the decline of laptop/pc market is proof of this! ask Dell, Samsung and any other manufacturer if you like and they will tell you the same thing, but M$ is starting to limit Win 7 with Win 8.1 (& Xbone) exclusivity of DX11.2...they are 'forcing' people to upgrade and #dealwithit!
mewhy32  +   417d ago
Micro$oft lost my respect with the DRM issue. Even though they've done a 180 it's too late. It showed what they really thought of the gamers out there and how low their opinions were of us. Shame on you Micro$oft, shame on you.
-SIXAXIS-  +   417d ago
@kreate: Google already has a desktop OS called Chrome OS. The reason it hasn't really taken off though (IMO) is because it relies heavily on having internet access. All your applications and files live on their servers, basically making your computer useless unless you have an active internet connection.
Braid  +   417d ago
I can't understand the hate towards Windows 8. It's not as innovative as XP, and Windows Vista was a total disaster in terms of performance, I can agree with those. But Windows 8 looks well, works well, performs well on games.

I'm using 8.1 user preview right now and it's quite stable. It finally boots up quite fast, which was a major drawback when compared to Mac OS X (which I believe is still superior). But is it something to "hate"? I don't think so.

I mean the "start button" controversy... really? There are softwares that bring your mighty start button back if you're so missing it.
Cueil  +   416d ago
@badz149 now you're just showing your butt... Windows 8 is actually smaller and less resource intensive then Windows 7. Not only that it's memory management is better
DragonKnight  +   416d ago
How many of you read the article? There are plenty of stupid comments in the article to talk about. Like the continued idea that Microsoft were bringing us into the future with their DRM and Sony are bad because they don't have DRM. What?
kreate  +   416d ago
@sixaxis

i know they got os for phones/tablets but i didnt know it was for a pc. hopefully they make one so that its similar setup as windows.
malokevi  +   416d ago
Microsoft: "Dear Nolan Albert: We care?"

What a slanted spiel. In spite of this guys... eherm... "opinions"... the XB1 is going to be an awesome gaming console. Period.

"Respect" is going to mean less and less to this fool when there is epic amounts of fun to be had, and he's still clinging to his half-baked principals.
Utalkin2me  +   416d ago
They lost my respect with the Xbox360. And thats why i do not let people or a companies take advantage of me. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
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Swiggins  +   417d ago
Can't wait till Windows 9 when they fix everything and then act like you should be happy that they're charging you for it.

I swear every other window's OS is a beta test for the next one.
Eddie20101  +   417d ago
Everyone by now should know that every other windows operating system is a cash grab for Microsoft. ME, Vista, Windows 8.
Autodidactdystopia  +   416d ago
I think ME is closest the the complete garbage that windows 8 is.

performance may be better but you'll be needing that to navigate their hyper confusing new
"way"
truthteller  +   417d ago
Windows 8 was made for tablets. MS said that Win 7 is for PCs...stop complaining
Smoovekid  +   417d ago
Then why did they put it on PC?
jmc8888  +   417d ago
No, they've been selling Windows 8 as an all in one type of OS.

See...you can link your smartphone with your PC.

Yeah, but I only tolerate the horrible versus PC interface because it's a phone.

My PC isn't a phone. It isn't a tablet.

When are people going to hit them that their Xbox 180 and their Windows 8.1 still doesn't address most of their complaints.

Kinect2 is still required for the Xbox One
Windows 8.1 still doesn't have all the Windows 7 features

What truthteller doesn't realize is that to M$, it doesn't matter that your PC isn't a smartphone. They said that their metro ui and interface was THE FUTURE. (why is that everyone that wants us to backtrack talks about THE FUTURE...because its propaganda)

People are catching on that their potential console has been botched. They focused their precious time creating unnecessary casual features that most casuals don't care about.

You mean I can surf through cable better using a voice interface?

NOPE. Good luck screaming at your xbox to cycle through a guide. You know where you hit the button that goes up five channels on the guide at a time since you can scan it and move on.

The remote control will still be much faster in perusing and selecting a channel.

It's stupid stuff like this that Microsoft has done. Not focus on the actual hardware and games, but worrying about how to reinvent the remote control....in an inferior fashion, a completely useless feature.

Again what if my fantasy football league isn't through NFL.COM? What about people in other countries? What other sports are they doing it with?

Their so called new features they spent all this time on, are worthless. Now they are scrambling to actually get the console out, and RRoD part 2 I see ahead.
YNWA96  +   417d ago
Here we go again...
buckley  +   417d ago
Well that's a classic example of an apologist.
MarkusMcNugen  +   416d ago
@jmc8888
So hate Windows 8 and Kinext 2.0 and dont purchase them if you dont like them. Kinect 2.0 being mandatory isnt necessarily a bad thing. One of the main reasons devs didnt utilize it and people found it a gimmick was because it was an optional add-on. Where is the motivation to develop features for something the majority of your audience will not use? What features is Windows 8.1 missing that Windows 7 has? A start menu? Dont like Metro? Get the free software for a start button, or better yet learn some shortcuts in 5 minutes and you never have to use the Modern UI again. Or dont purchase Windows 8.

Talking about the future or your products is not propaganda. They were trying to unify the experience for all their devices into one coherent ecosystem. Apps developed for modern UI would be available on your Windows 8 phone, Surface tablet, Xbox One, and PC. Its a noteworthy attempt and a great idea for deving purposes, however it probably could have been done in a better way; resizable metro apps pinned to parts of the screen on the desktop is one example for the Windows desktop environment.

You think the features they developed was a waste of time. Thats a personal opinion. Judging by the number of Kinects sold last gen and users of Skype, Im sure plenty of people will find enjoyment from these services. Perhaps just not you.

Yeah, it may be easier to use a remote control for naivgation. Although its possible that with a flick of your arm or hitting the right bumper on the controller will do the exact same thing. They are a software company after all... this doesnt seem like much of a stretch. Also seems a lot more convienent to just say "Xbox Watch Fox" or "Xbox Watch Family Guy" rather than having memorize the numbers for every channel or scrolling through the guide trying to find one channel. Considering the voice recognition of the first kinect, I have to imagine kinect 2.0 will be even better at it considering the hardware and software improvements that have been made.

The NFL fantasy football feature isnt for you. Are you really making the argument that because a software feature doesnt appease every single user that its worthless? You sir would do well to stay out of the software industry, you can never appease all customers.

RROD part 2 eh? Its possible, then again so is manufacturing problems for the PS4. The possibillity exists that not every single console has been manufactured and tested perfectly and some will get YLODs. This is a normal part of manufacturing, and has some complex formulas that accompany it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Now you may be saying to yourself, this guy must be a microsoft fanboy. Hell no. They have made a lot of crappy products and services throughout the years. Windows Vista was worthy of the hate it recieved, and Windows ME is the worst OS to ever exist period. Hotmail has always been a crappy email service, and Windows Messenger was crap for the last 8 years. Their windows mobile OS was an atrocity that never should have been made (No I am not talking about Windows Phone 7 or 8, I mean Windows Mobile OS.

Every company takes risks and produces some crap products. Sony fills their laptops with tons of useless bloatware, and for the longest time was putting rootkits on their own laptops.

Its clear from looking at your previous comments that you absolutely hate microsoft and want to manufacture as much artifical hate for the company as possible. You dont like their recent products, I get it and that is fine. I dislike Apple products and really hate the company, but I respect what they have accomplished and dont dog on them every single chance I get because I hate some of their products.
DragonKnight  +   416d ago
"Kinect 2.0 being mandatory isnt necessarily a bad thing."

Yeah it is. Name one reason why a console should be unable to function without a camera add on?

"One of the main reasons devs didnt utilize it and people found it a gimmick was because it was an optional add-on."

No, people found it to be a gimmick because it was Microsoft's answer to the Wiimote and devs didn't use it because it sucked. It's as simple as that. The only games the Kinect would function well on were dance games.

"Where is the motivation to develop features for something the majority of your audience will not use?"

What makes you think people will use the Kinect 2.0 anyway? Just because it'll be on doesn't mean it'll be used.

"Judging by the number of Kinects sold last gen and users of Skype, Im sure plenty of people will find enjoyment from these services. Perhaps just not you."

How many of those Kinect sales were bundles again? Skype is free and unnecessary on a console that already had a good enough chat system. How many people do you know that said "gee, I wish I could Skype while watching tv?"

"Also seems a lot more convienent to just say "Xbox Watch Fox" or "Xbox Watch Family Guy" rather than having memorize the numbers for every channel or scrolling through the guide trying to find one channel."

What? For starters, it's painfully obvious that the Kinect 2.0 will have problems with the voice command. I predict many a video of people showing how many times they have to yell to get it to work properly. Secondly, memorize numbers? You act as though that's such a difficult inconvenience. People memorize phone numbers for goodness sake.

I understand that you're trying to play Devil's Advocate, but some of your points are pretty terrible. Just before Microsoft's console reveal, most were going into it with an open mind hoping that MS would make the console gamers would line up to buy. But since their reveal up until this very day, they've proven that their interest is not in the people that built the Xbox brand from nothing to nearly 100 million total console sales across 2 generations.

Microsoft are doing it wrong this time. Sorry, but it's true. The 360 is more of a gaming console than the Xbox One right now. And that's pretty sad.
MikeMyers  +   416d ago
@DragonKnight,
"The 360 is more of a gaming console than the Xbox One right now. And that's pretty sad."

Sad for who, you? The same person who continued to trash the Xbox 360? Most people would have simply moved on, started talking about things they are interested instead of meddling with Xbox fans on daily basis telling everyone what trash game systems Microsoft releases. You know who does that? Trolls and fanboys.

We've already witness a bunch of games for the Xbox One yet you've somehow come to the conclusion the Xbox One is less of a game system than the Xbox One because it has Kinect? Why would anyone take your input seriously when you've done nothing but bash the Xbox 360 and carried that ignorance to the Xbox One?

Microsoft has more games in development now than at any time in the Xbox history. I think Sony fans feel threatened otherwise they would just ignore it. They dropped DRM for disc based games so they don't even have that angle anymore to hold onto that it will somehow affect the PS4. What's left, Kinect 2 will be so popular that Sony will be forced to make their camera mandatory? Must be some reason to keep trolling Xbox One articles because the choice is clear, buy the PS4 if you hate the Xbox One so much.
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DragonKnight  +   416d ago
@Mike: Are you ever going to understand that I don't give a damn what you are saying to me because as soon as I see your name replying to me the first thing I'll ever think of replying to you with is the question you're afraid to answer? That being why do you persist to follow me around everywhere seeking only to oppose everything I say like an immature child after you were restricted for commenting for 2 days?

Or is that question simply too complicated for you to understand? Pay attention: You are wasting everyone's time here. I will never reply to any question you ask, any jab you make, any troll attempt you spew because you are too afraid to answer a simple question yet continue to follow me around like a lost puppy. Any other person would understand what "wasting time" is except you.
mistertwoturbo  +   417d ago
People respected Microsoft?
fermcr  +   417d ago
Another article by a Sony raging blind fanboy !!!

Seriously!!! Enough with these stupid fanboy articles. How do these articles always get approved ?

So Microsoft launched campaigns to tarnish the PS4's name ? Seriously !!! Every company launches campaigns to promote their product, and many times they compare their product to the competition's products, saying, GOD FORBID, that their product is better then the competition... every company does this, and yes, even Sony does it.

EDIT: Aren't you the smart one! If it's not to be read, then don't put it on N4G. These articles just show how low fanboys can go.
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Smoovekid  +   417d ago
If you think that they are stupid then don't read or comment on them.
nolander64  +   417d ago
Yes. But most companies also try to say why theirs is a better product, not just why the other product isn't actually as good as you think it is. And if N4G didn't allow opinions, I don't think they'd have an "opinion article" category.
fermcr  +   417d ago
Yes, N4G has a "opinion article" category, but this is a "article" about a fanboy raving about. If you consider this a valid "opinion piece", then why don't we put on N4G all the "opinion articles" made by raging fanboys we encounter in the internet. N4G is going to be full of lovely "opinion piece's"
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YNWA96  +   417d ago
Not a Sony lover, but his profile at bottom contradicts.... Sony not interested in money it seems, just want to see how many people release commandos every time they speak...
karl  +   417d ago
c mon m8.. sony is to busy talking about the ps4 to waste time talking about the xbox one.

i totally agree with u.. but if there is anything positive about the console why not talk about it?

they keep talking about ps4 and changing policies cuz they have nothing to show for that brick.

they have to equal the xbox to the ps4 as much as possible before launch and since its an inferior piece of tech... they can only keep advertising the amazing power of the cloud.

besides .. they are the pricks that tried to push DRM on us... why not let them be burn till launch by this articleS?

seriously i wouldnt normally approve..but they kinda deserve a hundred articles about how they suck every week .. just soo no one misses it
creatchee  +   417d ago
@karl

"c mon m8.. sony is to busy talking about the ps4 to waste time talking about the xbox one."

Did you miss the part of their E3 conference where they went out of their way to announce no DRM, no check-ins, and no used game restrictions AKA to say that they wouldn't be doing what Microsoft was doing (at the time)? Or perhaps you missed that video about how to share PS4 games with your friends?
karl  +   417d ago
tsss

u got me there..
i was totally trolling in that first sentence..

ok, you are right.. but since MS is in the shitty side of things right now, it kinda looks as a desperate move to save themself and it only makes them look worse

SONY has made a direct attack to MS during E3 but i believe it was justified ..

it won them E3.. and the advantage they got was huge..

i dont see the point in MS mentioning sony and comparing themself to the ps4.. it wont do them any good ... they should focus on TV, sports, the exclusives they have, kinect and well...

appeal to those who are interested in that.. they may replace millions of gamers with ppl who want those things... and sell even better than the playstation.. who knows?

they need to just shut up and keep doing what u did during E3...
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Groo  +   416d ago
@fermcr

Its not about bashing on the competition, its about how you treat consumers. MS has no class, they bash on the people that won't support them just like they do with the competition. I don't hear about Sony going around talking trash about gamers, Sony's stance is to give the Gamers what they want and REALLY listening to consumer feedback as well as Developers, not once have I heard or read MS say that.. MS started out by saying this is how we are gonna do things (DRM) and throwning Publishers under the bus by saying its up to the publishers if they want to use the DRM policies, MS's stance is, This is our product, this is the features it has, if you dont like it FU. Its a shame..
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Elwenil  +   416d ago
@ creatchee

That's funny, I don't remember Sony mentioning Microsoft or any Microsoft product during either of those two statements. Do you? They didn't outright put the competition down, they simply showed an alternative that their product was capable of. Microsoft constantly talking about the PS4 specs and how they don't matter is about akin to a dirty politician talking trash about the competition at election time.

Just my .02
kydrice  +   417d ago
It'll be a terrible day in hell if games become windows 8 only.
superterabyte  +   417d ago
If I was a Pc gamer I would probs commit suicide =/. But I'm not so doesn't bother me that much. PC gamers will find a route out of it anyway like they did with Vista.
MarkusMcNugen  +   416d ago
This wont happen unless game developers choose to make their games DirectX 11.2 only. In which case that is on the devs, not Microsoft. Devs always have the option of supporting multiple versions of DirectX, which can be seen with most PC games today. They let you choose which version to use.
dark-hollow  +   417d ago
Another fanboish opinion piece. Alright we get it. N4G hates the Xbox one.
Do we need 100000 articles repeat the same thing? It's like an echo chamber.
The_HarryEtTubMan  +   417d ago
I know you don't believe it's only n4g that hates the Xbone. I suggest you take a look around the web and the cultural shift among gamers and media on IGN, Gametrailers, YouTube, Neogaf and every negative article n4g links from to truly understand the anti-Xbox sentiment the gaming community is expressing.
superterabyte  +   417d ago
The only people who still like the Xbone are dudebros from 'Merica. People who are irrational and delusional beyond belief.
SkyGamer  +   416d ago
Keep saying that when all you have left are the big publishers and you have no variety in games as all the smaller studios have gone bankrupt. So what happens to your precious gaming then? Oh and sony respects the gamer? Are you freaking kidding? Go get another job to help us pay for the ridiculous r&d for ps3. Sure sony was thinking about you on that 600 price tag... so lame, I'm going to delete my n4g account. Same old bs. Condemn this site. No take backs.
Mounce  +   417d ago
They lost my respect at Windows ME, you think Windows 8 was the first shitty Windows OS?

ME, Vista, and then 8, I'll likely feel the same to this apparent 'Windows 8.1 or 8.2' or whatever the hell it is.
buckley  +   417d ago
This. This this this this this.

I worked in PC repair when Windows ME came out. We called it Windows Migraine Edition.

XP was great. Then Vista was a travesty. Then 7 was great again. Now 8 is crappy but only really because of the Metro interface. And if you load up a 3rd party start menu like classicshell (which is free), you never need to see Metro again. The OS as a whole gets a bad rap because the changes under the hood are quite good.

8 has nothing on ME or Vista
Mounce  +   417d ago
@buckley - Glad there's another who understands the pains I had to go through with ME.

Don't forget, Windows 2000 was GREAT! When 2000 replaced ME for me? Was like heaven, or at least was so common and basic that in comparison to ME, it made 2000 just look like pure gold at the time.
MarkusMcNugen  +   416d ago
@buckley

Well said my man. Too many people hate on Windows 8 simply because of the Metro UI. The OS is actually really great, its just Metro that is clunky. Kudos and bubs to you for being one of the more rational and knowledgeable people to comment.
cyguration  +   417d ago
Even Windows 8 didn't have the respect of Microsoft, which is why they used Windows 7 to power their games at E3, lol
windows 8.1 > win8

They did a 180 on that start button.
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Red_Devilz  +   417d ago
They lost my respect with Win Vista
YNWA96  +   417d ago
Just like when PS3 came out, Sony tried to diss the competition, but ended up flat on its face. But it seems Sony is allowed to make mistakes and be forgiven, but MS gets hammered no matter what they say or do? Personally I wish MS stuck to everything it announced at E3, minus the 24 hour check in, but however, turned out to be a bad day for gaming, and a good day for the kleenex generation...
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KingKevo  +   417d ago
Isn't that what MS always does? Alternating between good and bad?

XP = good, Vista = bad, 7 = good, 8 = bad, so is 9 = good?

And also: Xbox = bad, 360 = 'good' (it was ok, but not too good, especially in the last few years (personal opinion)), Xbone = bad, Xbox 2 (?) = good? WHO KNOWS
MarkusMcNugen  +   416d ago
Windows 8 is not bad. People just hate the Modern UI on PCs without touch monitors. Its actually a good OS under the hood. A lot of improvements were made that werent Modern UI.

The Xbox One isnt even released yet. At least wait till its out before claiming its bad...
MizTv  +   417d ago
After 2007 I just game up on xbox
2cents  +   416d ago
I hit my breaking point, though, with their latest foray into “Xbox One advertising.” On June 28, Albert Penello, head of product planning at Xbox, told OXM that hardware specs are “meaningless,”

erm, he said this right after the may launch... fool

Just another wate of space fanboy opinion piece talking absolute trash about Xbox.
Whine whine whine, waa waa waa, boo hoo hoo. Just go and play your PS3 and shutup
RM-TatoTiburon  +   416d ago
i love windows 8, i don't miss the start button, it's realy fast and stable
Smoovekid  +   416d ago
Why do you like it?
RM-TatoTiburon  +   416d ago
easy, it's fast the boot time are amazing specialy with a ssd disk, all my games plays realy good, it's stable and secure i don't even need an external antivirus or firewall, the metro app are fast and simple and i love how it integrate all my services with my lumia 920...it's a lot better than win7
SDS Gamerfiend  +   416d ago
Yes you've lost my respect and I've run over to the open arms of PS4!
d3nworth1  +   416d ago
Dude dont even get me started on windows 8. I had to reinstall the damn thing 3 times in less than a year cuz there is always some random issue. My other laptop is 4 years old, run vista and I cant tell the last time I had a problem with it. With windows 8 the first time it crashed then couldn't boot up, the second time it would boot up but wouldn't let me run any apps or open any programs the third time it said it couldnt load Net Framework and a couple of my programs need that to run. The sad part is at E3 MS were showing off xbox one game running on PC with windows 7. They dont even have faith in their own OS.
chrismichaels04  +   416d ago
Unfortunately for Microsoft, articles and opinion pieces like these are becoming normal among the majority of the gaming community. MS has completely screwed up the introduction of the Xbox One and all of their flip flopping and poor communication with the gaming public only continues to hurt their image and reputation.

MS seems very confused right now about what direction they are trying to go with Xbox One and seeing their top executive jump ship didnt help matters any. MS needs to take a step back and focus on getting their act back together.
DOOMZ  +   416d ago
This article lost my respect!
jaseo  +   416d ago
As an amiga gamer back in the 80s, dos and windows 3.11 for workgroups seemed so archaic and ugly. It's strange to me that microsoft has generated some cool factor in the eyes of some.
Thomaticus  +   416d ago
The only way to fix Windows 8 is with a new Operating System...from Android!
Knushwood Butt  +   416d ago
They lost mine with RROD, not that I had much respect for them in the first place.
Godmars290  +   417d ago
I've found myself becoming horribly surprised at the levels of obliviousness they've displayed. How they seemingly think nothing about exploiting their fanbase, or that their position in the market is as secure as they think it is.

And I wasn't really thinking of them highly in the first place.
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nolander64  +   417d ago
They would exploit us all so hard if they could get away with it.
2cents  +   416d ago
So would Sony, they have done it before, they can do it again.
If you dont agree with that then you know what you are. I dont need to say it.
Cryptcuzz  +   417d ago
No clue why anyone would be backing up anything related in regards to how they have handled the Xbox One so far.

First its how the console is designed around needing to be always online with restrictions upon restrictions. ("You think it is as simple as flipping a switch?" Then after shortly after E3 they simply announced most of the DRM is no longer needed.

Secondly, Power of the Cloud will make each Xbox One three to four times more powerful then if it didn't have it ("Super computer level of processing") Then the developers are saying it is mainly for dedicated servers.

Indie Games will need to be published by Xbox Studios and patches will cost $10k each to Indie Devs. Then they did another 180 and completely changed all that to compete with Sony and its super Indie friendly policies.

Within a very short time frame from when Microsoft has announced details of the Xbox One, they have almost totally throw away everything they have planned for the Xbox One from the get go. Years of planning only to do a complete 180 on everything gamers from all sides have express disgust with.
jmc8888  +   417d ago
With Kinect 2, they'll still be exploiting you.

Multiple ways.

1. Advertising way...imagine arguing with your husband or wife and getting some ad about couples counseling. Oh and this isn't just M$, as the above example actually comes from a smart tv patent.

2. All that data they can sell...like your body structure to your health or life insurance companies. I bet they could sell your info about soda drinking or smoking, or anything. You think it won't see your fast food wrappers?

3. NSA has it's hooks deep inside Microsoft and for a long, long time. Oh and Microsoft can't tell you the truth or they can get in trouble. Microsoft is completely 'compliant' with the NSA and was the first to bend over and help them. But hey, the NSA can gain the info just from hacking into the backbone of the internet, which they do. So on multiple levels, outside and inside of Microsoft do they have the access to screw you over.

So you're use of 'exploiting' is correct, and the vast majority of their exploitation is still a go.
Godmars290  +   417d ago
"So you're use of 'exploiting' is correct,"

But your use of "you're" wasn't.

:p
SilentNegotiator  +   417d ago
"All that data they can sell...like your body structure to your health or life insurance companies"

I think that's just about the creepiest, plausible (due to TOS) thing I've heard for possible Kinect abuse, aside from NSA use.
MarkusMcNugen  +   416d ago
@jmc8888
Nevermind, just had to go a little ways down the page to find your NSA conspiracy theory crap about the Kinect 2.0.

Watch out! Your smartphone, laptop, and tablets have cameras and connect to the internet. And they are probably almost always online. The NSA is hackings thems!
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WillGuitarGuy  +   417d ago
Just now? Really? Lol.
adorie  +   417d ago
Takes a lot to chip away at the hardened fanboy exterior.
guitarded77  +   417d ago
Yeah, that's a damn shame. I don't understand how some can be so blindly loyal to a company. I game on everything, and I'm critical of each when they so something not to my liking.

I have some friends that are/were MS for life. For some it was because their friends are there, for others it was Halo. Some of them have decided to switch to PS4 next gen, yet some are still loyal to MS.

To some of them it doesn't matter because all they play is Halo and CoD, and their friends/teammates are on Live.They just don't have the time to commit to other games, and they like the ease of access of MP on CoD and Halo. I could never limit myself, but I understand how some have no problem with MS. Even if I think they're crazy.
Sitdown  +   417d ago
Alright, let’s just get this out of the way right now: I admit that I lean pretty heavily towards Sony, and I have ever since I was a young lad.

Yelp, pretty sure this was a well thought out and unbiased article.
nolander64  +   417d ago
And the next sentence literally starts:

"HOWEVER,"
Hicken  +   417d ago
Why not finish the quote?

"HOWEVER, I have never doubted Microsoft’s ability as a competent (and often more successful) company, nor have I ever written off the Xbox 360 as an inferior console. And, for the longest time, Microsoft was a company that held my awe as it was able to steal all of my gamer friends away, leaving me with a scant few to play on PSN with, and a strong desire to invest in an Xbox console."
Sitdown  +   417d ago
Probably because you can't take a "however" serious, when you already laid out where you lean. Dude said he was in awe of Microsoft, watched his friends go to an xbox....and despite saying he had a desire to invest in an xbox, he never did......and now he writes an article on having lost his respect for Microsoft.
GiantEnemyCrab  +   416d ago
So this guy never owned an Xbox and now they've finally lost him? LOL

I always get my advice on a piece of hardware from someone that has never owned one.. /sar
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PositiveEmotions  +   417d ago
They lost my respect after the xbox conference the may 21 one
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SignifiedSix91  +   417d ago
I still respect em.
kma2k  +   417d ago
i have both a ps3 & a 360 since this whole xbox one reveal ill be quite honest i have wanted to touch my 360 less & less. Todays tower defense game instead of the halo or ac2 really puts me off even more!
Aleithian  +   417d ago
I feel the exact same way.
HALOisKING  +   417d ago
i love ms and xbox
The_Infected  +   417d ago
HALOisKING loves Microsoft? What a shocker!
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HALOisKING  +   417d ago
says the god of war fan
The_Infected  +   417d ago
Not really it's an ok game. I plan on changing my name soon anyways.
cyguration  +   417d ago
"Not really it's an ok game. I plan on changing my name soon anyways."

Dude, I'm sorry but you're just not cut out for the SDF with that kind of bipartisan attitude.
theWB27  +   417d ago
50 percent more power. Made for the developers, by the developers to be the easiest to develop for console. Ps4 made for games. Sony was insanely humbled last gen.

Then you get this inferior console that is trying to be a jack of all trades. Inferior ram, teraflops, GPU, rawr rawr rawr it does TV blah blah blah. It's not a gaming system.

Then we see the games and not 1 PS4 game shows how inferior this system is. But the numbers! The NUMBERS! SAY OTHERWISE. LOOK LOOK at the numbers. I skipped the numbers and looked at the games and thought wtf.

Their system that was made for developers by developers and games come first don't even look better than the inferior TV box. Driveclub is 1080p 30fps with some people saying scenery even looks last gen. Knack(MADE BY THE GODFATHER OF THE PS4)even runs at 30fps and it's not decidedly next gen looking. Forza 1080p 60fps LOCKED with hundreds of cars and the scenery to match.

I was shocked at how these numbers are lying to me. What..this tv box is playing Battlefield in all it's glory. Kojima came out to the Xbox reveal..really! CD Projekt red talked about the benefits the cloud presents in updating the game on the fly.

This can't be it. Some people(N4G) say wait a few years for it to show. I say show me now, 50percent more power with the developers console should be showing this power NOW! Especially by the 1st party. Yet nothing to sway me in believing these numbers.

I look past the PR and see what system features Im getting and the games and that's all that matters. Crazy way to think that way I know. Looking at the games for proof is hogwash.
Geezus  +   417d ago
i wholeheardetly agree numbers dont mean sh*t by themselves just look at the last gen for proof ...third party exclusives will look the same and first parties will be developed to take advatage of the strengths of the specific consoles which are different on the hardware and software side in the end all consoles will have good looking exclusives
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kayoss  +   417d ago
Kill zone and infamous would like you to enter their office and would like to have a word with you. Oh yeah bring a pen and note pad so you can write all the info down so next time you won't forget.
theWB27  +   417d ago
Got the notepad...I write something down and slide it back to you. You pick it up and read it.

"Dead Rising 3 open world with 100's of zombies on screen at once. Ryse or Qauntum Break."
Feldman9000  +   417d ago
Slides notepad back.

"Dead Rising 3 is timed exclusive title. Will be on PS3 in a year. Same as Titanfall. Destiny was also designed for the PS4, so enjoy your port."
S2Killinit  +   417d ago
First of, let me tell you that the games are coming, this is only the beginning of the gen after all. Secondly, are you forgetting that the xboxone games were displayed on PCs? I guess you missed that news.
The_Infected  +   417d ago
@theWB27

Wasn't your pretty Xbox One games running on PCs in the background with the competitors tech?
theWB27  +   417d ago
@S2KILLINIT and Kratos_Kills
Yes..everything was running on PC's. I keep forgetting that baseless argument where a simple Google search can confirm what games, the best looking I might add, were running on X1 kits.

But go ahead and keep that if it makes you feel better.

@S2Kiilinit
The games are coming. I addressed that argument in my first post.
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Skips  +   417d ago
LMFAO!!!

"not 1 PS4 game shows how inferior this system is."

Stop kidding yourself. XD

http://i.minus.com/ibkLh2II...
http://i.minus.com/iSylqprP...

http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...

^^^ Those IN GAME environments!!! XD

Not to mention Shadow Fall gives you an open world feel... http://www.gamesradar.com/k...

Better than ANYTHING Microsoft has shown. LOL!

Compared to Ryse...

http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...

^^^ Mehhh.

Or Dead Rising 3...

http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...

^^^ Mehhh.
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theWB27  +   417d ago
I seriously LoL'ed when you posted the pics to Ryse and Dead Rising and said mehh. I'm not even downing the PS cause I'm getting one. That post is more directed at people like you who scream about the numbers and then show the pics. Killzone looks phenomenal.

Then you show that widescreen of Dead Rising with that many zombies in an open world and say...meh. That's running on the inferior tv box. Ok then..you got me. Killzone comes from a 1st party developer who had a hand in making the PS4.

Dead Rising is a 3rd party dev who had no input on the X1 design and it's inferior parts and yet...Killzone doesn't look 50percent better.

@jmc8888
Forza 5 confirmed running on X1 hardware. Full 1080p 60fps locked with months to go till launch. Again a quick Google search is all it takes.

Sony fanboys will keep pointing out pointless things and yet no game has proved its superiority over the tv box. No matter how many pics or what you say. I've looked at the games myself....haven't found that 50percent more power. Neither can you.
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jmc8888  +   417d ago
Not really, as you've failed to realize you weren't watching Xbox One games. You were watching PC games on a PC more powerful than an Xbox One + PS4 combined.

Also Ryse, the only thing supposedly running on Xbox One hardware has been in development since about the beginning of the first Kinect...so it's like Half Life 2 type development

...and it was 30 FPS.
Software_Lover  +   416d ago
...and it was 30 FPS.

?????? So was/is Killzone. What is your point.
Skips  +   417d ago
"Then you show that widescreen of Dead Rising with that many zombies in an open world and say...meh."

"Meh" in comparison to KZ or Second Son. Not "meh" in general.. There's a difference. -_-

Does Ryse and DR3 look great? Sure, absolutely... But definitely NOT in comparison to KZ or SS.

Character models:
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...

Vs.

http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...

Environment:
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...

Vs.

http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...

The many number of NPC's (Albeit stupid ones) are literally the ONLY thing worth mentioning in Dead Rising 3. lol If the differences are THAT noticeable at first. Wonder how it'll be in 2-3 years after launch. lol
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G20WLY  +   416d ago
I'm not saying it's representative of available power, but what I can tell you from the screenshots you posted is that XBone does seem to do something better than PS4:

'Brown' lmao

In fairness it seems to have 'grey' pretty much nailed too! ;P
BABY-JEDI  +   417d ago
I think that just like every other console generation. You have to give a bit of time to see how things develop. Be it Sony or MS or Nintendo. Coming out with a big wooden spoon doesn't help!
CGI-Quality  +   417d ago
Ryse has not been received very well (outside of visuals, and even then, it's not being called better looking than the best looking PS4 games). Quantum Break showed no game-play footage (and if we use that, The Dark Sorcerer tech demo on PS4 wiped the floor with it, graphically). You have a point regarding Forza 5, but then, DriveClub isn't the same type of game (the former is supposed to be a sim, right)?

From most accounts, Killzone and inFAMOUS are regarded as two of the better looking games coming out next gen, but, if you swim in a one-sided world, you'll only see that world. Shocking, I know!
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theWB27  +   417d ago
Sim doesn't equal aesthetics. Driveclub developers have stated numerous time about how real they want it to look.

Quantum Break was in engine. Just like The Order for PS4 and people accepted it. A tech demo doesn't deserve mention (we know Qauntic Dream demos differ from their next game.

I'm not swimming in a one sided world. I'm getting a PS4. I only challenge the posters on here who go on and on about the graphical prowess of the PS4. You can see I didn't down any of the games. Just that they don't live up to the numbers Sony and especially N4G loyalists like to spout compared to the inferior tv box.

I challenge notions on here...Im the balance to the Sony insanity here ; )
CGI-Quality  +   417d ago
Nah, you didn't just "challenge numbers", you jumped to conclusions based on a select few launch titles (some of which were running on PC hardware).

You also ignored the factual and "numerical" evidence that prove the PS4 is the stronger system. That happened with the PS3 and didn't turn out to well for its naysayers.
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sic_chops  +   417d ago
All those games were running on a cpu with windows 7 and better specs than the xbox one. It's ok if you cant see past the smoke and mirrors. Good luck. Developers didn't even have finalized ps4 development tools as of e3. You're gonna get "had" I almost feel sorry for you.
pyramidshead  +   416d ago
You may talk about how Sony games are 1080p30fps, but at least they can keep a rock solid locked 30fps when Ryse can't seem to handle 30fps :/
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
scroll down for the video
:)
Tyre  +   417d ago
@SignifiedSix91 Watch Microsoft's Qualcomm at CES 2013 'out of touch' keynote => http://www.youtube.com/watc... see if you still respect em then. I swear the most bizarre & pathetic keynote EVER!
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Tyre  +   417d ago
No agrees? I Reckon you liked the keynote? lol
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CoLD FiRE  +   417d ago
What the duck has Qualcomm has to do with MS? Just because Steve Ballmer showed up on stage doesn't mean Qualcomm=Microsoft!
Tyre  +   417d ago
@ColD FiRE You didn't watch the whole Vid did you? You're really serious? or did the IQ just drop since you entered the comment section. Let me explain it to you...This is a presentation FROM Microsoft on Qualcomm ABOUT THEIR FUTURE VISION ON ELECTRONICS/SOFTWARE & ENTERTAINMENT. Windows 8 is all stamped on it. Don't make this into something that looks unrelated, nice try.
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CoLD FiRE  +   417d ago
@Tyre I wouldn't be surprised if my IQ dropped after reading your stupid comments. You're wrong this was still Qualcomm's "vision" and presentation and not Microsoft's.

Microsoft didn't even officially have a keynote at CES 2013! The part where Steve Ballmer showed up wasn't even that long and actually was the least crazy part of that insanity!
fOrlOnhOpe57  +   417d ago
There is something seriously wrong at Microsoft.
Tyre  +   417d ago
@Rusty515fOrlOnhOpe57 I Reckon you watched that short compilation of the keynote Qualcomm CES 2013? It confirms your statement wholeheartedly. lol
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TongkatAli  +   417d ago
The Indie hate they have sucks. No Hotline Miami for you, that shit should be on every platform its so good.

10 $ amazing game > 60$ okay game.
Dlacy13g  +   417d ago
I think that indie hate will soften... Phil Fish and Notch are very vocal but their are others looking forward to working on Xbox One as time goes on.

http://www.ign.com/articles...
Feldman9000  +   417d ago
As much as I'm a Sony guy, i can play Indy games on Steam. I want a console that showcases its power with good games, not some side scrolling flash game. Who has time to play those things anyways? Put it on your ipad.
TongkatAli  +   417d ago
Flash games are games too bro. I think sitting on a computer chair playing a indie game is the wrong way to go about it.

I like to lay down on my bed legs cross and feel more comfortable.
tuglu_pati  +   417d ago
why is a rant from a random person should be considered news is beyond my understanding. But hey its about somethig negative about the X1 so i guess is good for N4G.
S2Killinit  +   417d ago
they slowly lost my respect since the middle of the current generation. But the reveal with a focus on non gamers, then the DRM, then the privacy issues (on a whole other perspective than just gaming) completely shattered any trust I had in Microsoft. i don't want them in gaming anymore. only thing that stops me from wishing they would leave gaming alone is that I'm just worried that someone worst could take their place.
Angeljuice  +   416d ago
Is that even possible? Unless Hitler was penning a roadmap for the NaziBox in his bunker, I don't think so.
BuffMordecai  +   417d ago
I remember when Xbox used to be good, but that was a long time ago.
MultiConsoleGamer  +   417d ago
>"Launching campaigns to tarnish the PS4's name"

Could someone give me a specific example of this?

And if you do could you also tell me how that's different from similar attacks launched by Sony against their rivals?

Nintendo seems to be the only company that stays out of the mud, at least in recent years.
No_Limit  +   417d ago
Lol, another troll bait article to please the 20 or so cult members of the SDF sector. Comedy at its finest. LOL. Enjoy the Sony circle of trust guys. Can't wait for 30 others similar so called opinion pieces about the same topic to show up. Smh
ElementX  +   417d ago
Personally I don't think MS is making the PS4 sound worse. Sony was making One sound worse with the game trading video, all the talk about no DRM, and basically talking down the One at every opportunity including self publishing indie titles.
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Software_Lover  +   416d ago
Sony doesn't bad talk their competitors.
edonus  +   417d ago
Yes another shill article.

If you dont respect real innovation and really trying to move thing forward who needs ya. Go pirate and trade game while ripping of developers on you Ps4.

I be enjoying my Xbox ONE acting as Ironmans Jarvis on my tv and multitasking while you play games the same way I did back in 90s. If you dont want more Sony will be happy to not give you more. That why the controller is gimped and they tell its because they like to give you options.

Yeah... the option to suck.
PirateThom  +   417d ago
You call other people shills.

Do you see why this is either ironic or you're terrible at your Microsoft marketing job?

Speaking of more - better GPU, more usuable RAM, faster RAM, more headsets included with the system, more indie games.

Sony definitely give you less though, it's less money for a more powerful system.

If Sony is offering less then sign me up because if your idea of "more" is weak hardware, spy cameras, PR nightmares, mixed messages, outright lies, deceptives presentations of OS features, games displayed running on uncomparable PCs, innovation that is tantamount to pressing a button but now without the button press to watch TV and MORE nonsense from a company whoes end game is still an always online, always watching, restrictive console, then go right ahead. Enjoy it.
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edonus  +   417d ago
See how fanboyism corrupts.
Most of what you said is false, I wont say you are lying because you probably dont know any better.

GPU final stats havent been released.. but if you want it you can have it for now.

More ram NO both have a unified pool of 8gb of ram. This is a fact nothing to argue.

Faster ram? eh ggr5 ram is faster than ddr3 but the one supplements with eSram. The ONE can actually deliver more data than the Ps4s ram set up but Ps4s ram set up is more versatile. Game design will prove which method is the better one.

Headsets? Headsets are last gen, welcome to 2005 woo hoo. If yu want to live in the past that is fine there are some fine options but but my 4 directional mic array and noise cancelling technology along with the speaker in my sound ssyem weather tv or surround sound set up do me fine. Has done me fine with current kinect and the new one is better. The only people that have problem are the ones that dont calibrate or set it up like idiots.

I;m not sure about the indies games and, but I know they have some and honestly...this is the beginning of a new gen.... I am not going to give a F@#! about indie game until 2 years from now. I aint spending $400-$500 to play some indie game because it wasnt even good enough to get picked up by a major.

Available ram... you arent aware of the hypervisor that is in the ONE that scales the additional 3gbs of ram after the 5 is reserved. The OS is said to be able to be scaled down to around .5gb to 1.5gbs. But I am sure you will continue supporting the lie.

Your entire last paragraph is drivel and doesnt change the fact that the XBOX ONE does more and has more than the Ps4. And Sony has shown nothing that supports the claims of power you blindly give them. whne th 2 system are compared side by side the ONE pisses all over the Ps4.
Silly gameAr  +   416d ago
Well freaking said.

After what MS tried to pull, I'm seriously dumbfounded at how people are trying to justify it all. MS never had any respect for gamers but for what gamers could do for their bottom line. What they tried to do with the X1 just proves that.
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Hicken  +   417d ago
I know you're just trolling, but enlighten me: how is the DS4 gimped?
Feldman9000  +   417d ago
Gotta love this guy's troll attempt -

"I lost my respect for Sony when I saw them pander to the pasture and treat everyone like a bunch of sheep….Throwing them the feed they needed to keep grazing, aimlessly content. I lost respect for Sony as they continuously try to cut corners to keep profit margins high. Instead of putting their profits towards building server farms for online so the online community can have dedicated hosting, we have Sony throwing out free games like being a gamer is about being a welfare recipient. PS4 is a great console for casual gamers. Xbone is turning into a console for hardcore gamers (you know the ones that like to go online and compete against other people)"
sic_chops  +   417d ago
Sounds like he is butt hurt since he doesn't have any new hardcore games to play on his 360. I, however, am enjoying my 2nd playthrough of The Last of Us (game of the year) and will be enjoying Beyond: Two Souls in the near future. Also, if I'm not mistaken, battlefield 3 will be free for ps+ members this month. Sounds like m$ is the one giving you less right now. Too bad you are missing out. Oh well.
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toshan  +   417d ago
yeah you lost my respect
ninjahunter  +   417d ago
Lol, Ok, so Microsoft makes an innovative platform that would actually be a one up from the current state of steam. Fans didnt like it so they changed it to what fans wanted. They have been very open and flexible, never being deceptive with anything they say. Their investing a lot of money in making sure their platform has many games and their making an effort to support PC gaming this time around as well.

But nope, Sony is the savior of the planet by falling into the pay us or you cant play online plan, Useless features and some games weve seen a hundred times over. Now im not saying microsoft wowed me, or made me want to buy their product, But really, they dont deserve to get pissed all over while sony is treated like the white knight when all they have done is sit on their ass.
Jamaicangmr  +   417d ago
Window's 9 to will be announced before years end.

Now taking bets....
HonestDragon  +   417d ago
Very well written article. Microsoft have indeed gone off the deep end and they don't seem to be recovering too well. Even with their changing of a couple policies, a lot of consumers' minds are made up. Many people who I talk to are not bothering with the Xbox One. At this point, Microsoft have no one to blame but themselves for the position they are in right now.
ALLWRONG  +   417d ago
I see the fanboys still write the news on N4G
quenomamen  +   417d ago
Respect is something you earn, think MS cares more about earning out money more than respect.
And it shows.
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PsychOff  +   416d ago
Bunch of fools calling Windows RT, Windows 8.. Lol Microsoft is so clever, simply using their Windows Phone OS on PC's and renaming it... Who cares if it loads faster if it doesn't work half as good as previous versions.. That is the point.

Shit tons of companies still use Windows XP for a reason. Cause it works like it is supposed to.
Software_Lover  +   416d ago
Wow, so many uninformed sheep in here. I cant even quote and reply to every comment that is comical.

"Windows 8 a resource hog"................. what. You are a sheep. Windows 8 runs better than windows 7 and uses less resources.

You dont like the windows 8 interface........... Use the f'n desktop mode.

People say they are "forcing the O.S." on you. No they are not. You can still buy windows 7 and install it, even over a windows 8 pc. They are making a change to their O.S. and you can very well go with other options.

Sad.
PsychOff  +   416d ago
Those are the type of people just reciting what everyone else had heard. In the same sense you are.

Some people actually use their computers for more than just gaming, those people have problems with these new OS's simply because they do not work well. I am constantly having to tweak shit just to get all my multimedia programs working right, from editing, to production and so on.

Also resource hogging could be a number of things and yes depending on the situation Windows 8 can be more of a resource hog than previous versions. You being a "Software_Lover" should know that.

So keep thinking everyone hates these new Windows simply because a new interface. It is way more than that.
Rob_From_GopRant  +   416d ago
You are completely right - people just recite what everyone else is saying. I am using 8.1 right now. Why is it when you click on a pic on your desktop it takes you to the picture app. Then when you close it - you are at the metro ui. Thats just one annoying example - there are tons of other things you can gripe about with 8. Most geeks like myself have a SSD, High end graphic cards, quad core CPU, and 8+ gigs of fast Ram - so Windows 8 is going to make much a difference in performance compared to 7 - Really? - Window 8 defenders - Really?
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