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Tretton: “To Force Every Consumer” To Have a Camera “Ends up Coming up a Little Bit Short”

The PS4 is set to launch this holiday for $399, going up against the $499 Xbox One. With the PS4 set to be more powerful, the reason for the price discrepancy is mostly down to the lack of a bundled camera, while the XBO comes with the Kinect 2. - PSLS

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Foolsjoker1755d ago

I am so glad that Sony did not force me to buy a camera with my PS4.

MysticStrummer1755d ago

I agree, but it's a double edged sword. I don't want a camera just to have one, but if developers give me a reason to want one I'll buy it, but if no one buys it developers have no reason to make use of it.

I guess it depends on how easy it is to implement it and how it's used, but I'd guess that at least some games that use the One's camera could be done on PS4.

I'm not real clear on how much better the One's camera is than PS4's. I've just read that it's a bit better, which would make it One's only real technical advantage.

TongkatAli1755d ago

*Rolls eyes* just give me the fing games.

TheTwelve1755d ago

What game in the past gen needed a camera to be great?

What game ever needed a camera to be great?

Serious questions, here.

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-Alpha1755d ago (Edited 1755d ago )

Kinect is technically superior, if I'm not mistaken. You'd hope it better be if MS is focusing so much on it.

I actually wanted a PS4 camera. The tech demos were great, and the UI uses for it sound nice.

Unfortunately, when it comes to more practical uses, it's a game of developers waiting for consumers to buy it, and consumers waiting for developers to make it worth buying. It's a stalemate, for better or worse.

MysticStrummer1755d ago (Edited 1755d ago )

@TongkatAli & TheTwelve

I agree with both of you. I haven't seen a game yet that made me want a camera, which is why I'm glad I'm not forced to have one.

EDIT - Voice recognition is much cooler than the camera, in my opinion, but that's software.

NateCole1755d ago

That is the way it's suppose to be. Whatever suits market conditions. Trying to force something the consumers and devs either don't want or prepared for is not a wise business move.

zebramocha1755d ago (Edited 1755d ago )

@alpha Here's diggs knightcrawler for wonderbook,the ps eye 2 enhancement could be better fidelity with hand gesture/ motion,the ds4 touch pad and light bar could add to the experience when diggs is do detective work.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

miyamoto1755d ago (Edited 1755d ago )

With Media Molecule supporting the PS Eye and PS Move with their real time 3D Freeform Sculpting/Game Creation game right of the bat for PS4 I am going for the PS4 PS Eye bundle as my initial purchase.

Its like Little Big Planet meets Minecraft but you can build games from scratch.

That game will let you create your own 3D
game story
game story telling via in game camera system
game objects
game textures and video via PS Eye
game levels
game animation
game mechanics
game play
game sound effects
game music soundtrack (Garageband)
game voice acting

etc

This game alone is worth getting the PS Eye but Sony ain't forcing it on everyone as not all need it.

I am super glad my old PS Move controllers will still work with PS4 :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

PS

I think M$ is doing something like this too Project Spark?
Stay classy, Jackie Tretton

MysticStrummer1755d ago

@miyamoto - If any dev can make me want a camera on my console, it's Media Molecule.

Polysix1755d ago (Edited 1755d ago )

Bundling the camera will NEVER make great games be by default, the fact is a camera just isn't a great gaming device, even using it for motion with Move it adds on or makes some niche titles feel great fun but there's only so much you can do with it. The best uses other than novelty games are for shooters - camera control instead of sticks at last - but for that you don't need the camera/move by default for devs to include support very easily and only those that want it can buy it then!

Forcing a 'gimmick' onto customers results in tons of shovelware like the original Wii with it's wii-mote.. Kinect in XB1 will probably end up the same way - loads of sub par casusal/kids games with no depth. I'm GLAD that isn't going to be quite so open to abuse on the PS4 and only games that really want to use it will do because they know it's a smaller market than the 'default' market. win win!

BTW I personally have the ps3 camera AND 2 move controllers and I enjoy them, they don't need to be default and if they were it would cause a LOT of gimmick tacked on crap in games that wouldn't be there otherwise (am thinking early abuse of pointless six-axis stuff here!)

N4g_null1755d ago

Luckily the camera isn't needed because the ps4 has a touch pad just like the wiiu. With these console becoming more PC like keyboard and mouse style inputs are needed. If fps is going to be the goto this gen also then some thing needs to be done about the tank controls.

vickers5001755d ago

"EDIT - Voice recognition is much cooler than the camera, in my opinion, but that's software."

That's pretty much the only thing that I find interesting and impressive about Kinect, voice commands, which if done right, could enhance quite a few games. Look at the uses it has for Skyrim (I haven't personally tested it out myself, just watched a youtube video on it).

Saying "poison weapon" or "switch to fire spell" or pronouncing any of the dragon shouts without having to scroll through long and annoying menus (and sometimes even slow) would be an awesome addition to games like those.

Unfortunately, I don't see many devs incorporating this into their games because they think people wont use it. I think the only way voice control would start to be a common feature is if each console had some advanced microphone, which the xbox one does have (kinect), but I'm not sure if the one that comes with the ps4 would work very well with voice commands, as I don't know if voice control is mostly software, mostly hardware, or a mixture of both. Either way, this generation most 360's came with a headset and develoeprs didn't really try and implement them then, I don't think they'll do it now with ps4.

I hope they try though, because I want to see how voice control could work, and if it would work very well, as that's the only feature that interests me about the new kinect.

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Ashlen1755d ago (Edited 1755d ago )

It seems unlikely I'd ever use it. Never owned a PS Eye. Never wanted a Move. I'm happy to trade a camera for an extra game.

fermcr1755d ago

"I am so glad that Sony did not force me to buy a camera with my PS4. "

Yep i agree. Smart move by Sony. I think Microsoft is going to learn that the hard way. You don't force consumers (gamers) in purchasing something that most gamers don't want (Kinect). Since Don Mattrick has left Microsoft, maybe Microsoft will stop being so stubborn and release a cheaper X1 without Kinect.

MizTv1755d ago

I don't want a stupid ass Camera

tigertom531755d ago

Sony I can understand they kept the camera out but Kinect 2 is a great device and will have plenty of support and games that will use it. it like the wii not having a wii bar sensor...

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dbjj120881755d ago

That point he makes about consumers likely not interested in the camera is so symbolic of how closely tied Sony is to gamers.

Love ya, Jack.

mewhy321755d ago

This is the perfect example of how Sony is tuned into the needs of the consumer vs the greed and arrogance of Micro$oft.

SliceOfTruth8881755d ago

Wow Fanboy much? There are a bunch of people who have been making eye toy games for PS4 thinking the install base would be huge and it is now cut off by at least 50%. id say its more like 85% but thats just me. The only reason PS4 doesnt come with a camera is so it can be 399. Not because they love you or care about the consumer they care about your wallet and how to get that cash.

andibandit1755d ago

Weve already been thru this, yeah they left out the camera to get the 399 price, and sacrificed the camera for that advantage. No developer is gonna spend time on ps eye voluntarily, its just not economically sound

MikeMyers1755d ago (Edited 1755d ago )

Really? Even though they forced bluray which ended up costing consumers up to $600 to have? They also didn't even push the 20GB model and ended up dropping it very quickly since they wanted wi-fi in every system. $600 for a game console back in 2006 is more than $600 in todays value, let alone $500 which is what the Xbox One will be.

Yes, we know the Kinect camera definitely raises the cost but having in with each unit means the device will actually be supported. The Gamepad for the Wii U also adds to the cost but that also means it will be supported as well instead of treating it like a peripheral.

MysticStrummer1755d ago

SIxAxis was included with every PS3. That didn't lead to widespread support, though there were a few games that made good use of it.

solidjun51755d ago (Edited 1755d ago )

"Really? Even though they forced bluray which ended up costing consumers up to $600 to have?"

Yes, but blu-ray is required to play ps3 games. The camera here is not. It's just an option.

"They also didn't even push the 20GB model and ended up dropping it very quickly since they wanted wi-fi in every system."

I agree. Eventually people were forced to get the higher model that did have it. However, you can still play games on it. Having no-wifi is not a requirement to play games.

"Yes, we know the Kinect camera definitely raises the cost but having in with each unit means the device will actually be supported. The Gamepad for the Wii U also adds to the cost but that also means it will be supported as well instead of treating it like a peripheral. "

True to an extent. I agree it raises costs, but the second point is a bit tricky. Did MS mandate that all companies developing games have to use kinect? I'm just curious. So i'm not sure if device will be fully supported. Some might say it's just there. Otherside of basic commands to turn if off - which i think is nice - it's not a big deal. At least to me.

"The Gamepad for the Wii U also adds to the cost but that also means it will be supported as well instead of treating it like a peripheral. "

I thought that was the main feature of the Wii-U. I thought the reason Nintendo didn't even care about the box when it was unveiled was because of the gamepad and the unique features it will have. It sorta has to be supported.

As for the camera, i'm just not big on it. I haven't seen a game with a camera that made me say "OMG. That camera is the reason why this game works." Until that happens, I'm okay with optional.

Same goes for kinect for the 360. When it was first announced, i just held off. I eventually got it, but I didn't see a game that screamed "Yes. This is why I spend $150. This is great." I thought it was just nice.

As Mystic pointed out, Six-Axis was included and rarely anyone used it.

To me, I'm just waiting for justification. I don't see it. Thus, having it an option works for me. I may eventually get the camera, but right now, i'm content of buying the system without it.

XabiDaChosenOne1755d ago

Blu ray is an actual advancement that is better for games hence Microsoft's inclusion of it and Nintendo's proprietary version of it. Wifi was also a necessary standard since once again not only does everyone of the big three has it STANDARD in their next gen consoles but I don't even think their is an electronic entertainment device out there with out it in this day and age. Kinect on the other hand is a side attachment rather than a potential standard. it offers no convenience over conventional methods of interaction with our devices we use today. Sorry but that's just the truth. Is waving your hands and speaking to the screen really more convenient than pressing a button on a remote or a controller? Think about that.

MikeMyers1755d ago (Edited 1755d ago )

@MysticStrummer,

It did get quite a bit of support early on but consumers wanted rumble instead. What was good is that everyone got to experience it. Kinect is integrated with the hardware and can be applied to more than just games.

@solidjun5

Bluray still isn't even used in PC games is it? Microsoft didn't include it back then or HD DVD because of cost issues. Sony pushed it more to win the format war and to push HDTV's.

MS does not mandate everyone to use Kinect in the games. It will likely be part of the OS so that all games can work with it such as saying "Kinect Music" to switch from playing games to music for example. Kinect will be integrated with the system aside from just games. They are also including a HDMI input which means you can use the Xbox One features while using other devices.

@Kobe357,

I still have all my gaming platforms on a hard line, not wi-fi.

"Is waving your hands and speaking to the screen really more convenient than pressing a button on a remote or a controller?"

In some cases yes. How long does it take you to find something within the store? You could just say it instead of scrolling. Kinect will also auto-sign you in. If a friend comes over it will instantly recognize them (if they have been signed in on that system before) and away you go. Saying pause during a movie can also help instead of looking for the remote. There are various applications that can make it easier but yes, you can still do them with a controller.

Think of fitness games. You play them on the PS3 and all it tracks is the light on the Move controller. Kinect will track you and even be able to tell what your heart beat is and not have to hold anything in your hand. Those dance games look ridiculous with people waving their motion controllers around.

Kinect didn't really do much on the Xbox 360 because the technology wasn't where it ought to be. Now it is and now that every system will have it there is more of a chance we will see some good use out of it.

imt5581755d ago

Like it or not, Sony had to force the Blu-ray because of Toshiba and their HD-DVD. Sony has been on 2 fronts. Console war and disc media war. Sony won over HD-DVD ( i'm so glad they did ) an won over X360 ( if you watching global sales in the past two years ).

dbjj120881755d ago

Yeah, they forced bluray perhaps prematurely, but they also learned from the mistake which is important to note.

XabiDaChosenOne1755d ago

@MikeMyers Oh, so you hardwire your devices? Congratulations, unfortunately not everybody has the means to hardwire all of their devices so WiFi became a standard for most electronics.
"In some cases" Notice what you just said, convinient in some cases not most. This is the trait of a side attachment, devices that are only relevant in some cases are supposed to be OPTIONS not mandatory to work the main device.

Hicken1755d ago

You're really arguing that Blu Ray is on the same level of relevance to gaming as an optional camera?

Well, it's you, after all, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

solidjun51754d ago

"Bluray still isn't even used in PC games is it? Microsoft didn't include it back then or HD DVD because of cost issues. Sony pushed it more to win the format war and to push HDTV's."

Well, for PCs, you install the game onto the harddrive. They also have steam.

Also, Sony included DVD in the PS2 to make DVD more prevalent and have people buy more PS2 as it was a cheap DVD player. They did the same here. Plus it was required to play games on the Ps3.

Also, it's clear Blu-ray is needed. Look at GTAV. it requires a huge hefty install if you own a 360, and it's on 2 discs. It's only on one disc.

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TrendyGamers1755d ago

I feel like someone's watching me.

doctorstrange1755d ago

Damn, I thought the bush hid me well

Majin-vegeta1755d ago

I rather have options thank you very much.

ftwrthtx1755d ago

Why force anything upon anyone? Giving gamers a choice is by far the best option.