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Microsoft: Xbox One And PS4's Published Specs "Might Not Tell The Whole Story On Performance"

Official Xbox Magazine: ''Microsoft' product planning manager Albert Penello has chimed in on last week's OXM story about "meaningless" PS4 and Xbox One spec comparisons, reiterating that "great games are what matters". He also, however, hinted that Xbox One's specifications might not offer a fair indication of what the machine will be capable of come release day.'' (Albert Penello, PS4, Xbox One)

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KillrateOmega  +   288d ago
Pull a Mark Cerny by giving us breakdowns and detailed interviews. Do that, and then we'll shut up...for 5 min :P

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"And while you guys joke about the cloud stuff, I think the stuff the Respawn guys have said starts to clear up what we've been talking about with cloud performance."

Yes. Dedicated servers. Kneel before the infinite power of the cloud, peasants.
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"I was there, and while I know RYSE took a hit on the gameplay that was shown, I thought it was the most next-gen looking game I saw on either platform. Of course, I get I'm biased and I didn't have time to see everything."

In terms of raw aesthetic detail, then Ryse was, admittedly, impressive; however, I believe that MGS5 was the best-looking game at E3. Just my opinion.
Now, are shiny plates of armor enough to make a game full of QTEs (that you can't even fail) interesting? No.
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MysticStrummer  +   288d ago | Well said
I thought Ryse looked fun, but in my opinion saying it was the most next-gen looking game at E3 is ridiculous. There were multi-plats and exclusives on both consoles that looked better to me.
MizTv  +   288d ago
I agree
Mgs5 anyone?
Cmk0121  +   288d ago
god of war the pinncale of the hack em slash em is QTE riddled. its all about what you like and dont.
Mounce  +   288d ago
MGS5 or even Watchdogs

Ryse was like a Call of Duty game mixed with a medicore hack n' slash action game and a 'Press X to win' aesthetic.

if 'Next gen' is defined with reference to Ryse? I don't want to know what the future holds. lol

It seriously irked me horribly by it being a sword-based medieval game(As I love anything to do with swords like Dark Souls') and all it did was fucking tell you in COD-like objectives WHAT TO DO, WHERE TO GO, WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. Ryse made 'Mommy holding your hand' feel too embarrassingly true.

@Cmk0121 - Not really....God of War had QTE in pinnacle moments like at an end of a big monsters' fight - you do the QTE to regenerate magic/life(can't remember which) while just killing them by cutting them up to death would give the other. That or made use in bosses in a finale to transition you from one place to another. RYSE....simply is "Quick, press a button to have the game do the work and kill this guy for you and try to make you look like a badass" - it just tries too hard to impress the easily entertained in my honest opinion.
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HammadTheBeast  +   288d ago
@Cmk0121

Except Crytek has trash game play, all they can do is make tech demos. I'm not saying it was bad by any means, I'm just saying you have to acknowledge how scripted it was and how linear it was, which makes it easy to get graphics like that. Also the filters were horrible, and it looked dull.
Enemy  +   288d ago
Microsoft can do nothing to combat PS4's superior specs.
Mainsqueeze  +   288d ago
MGS5, The Division, and The Whitcher 3 all had better graphics.
inveni0  +   288d ago
I wish they'd show us some of this cool cloud processing power.

Sony has a cloud, too. In fact, it's more established and running on patented technology. No one even knows how MS's servers work. They keep telling us that there's more to the console than specs, but seem to be refusing to show us anything (or are trying to rig something up before we lose interest).
StoutBEER  +   288d ago
I want The Division. Looks amazing
zebramocha  +   288d ago
@enemy Yes they can,damage control their butts off.
mewhy32  +   288d ago
well of course this kind of article would appear in the official xbox magazine. What are they gonna say? Uhhhhh the PS4 is definately more powerful that the Xbox but we have to say that it doesn't really matter? LOL Of course they're gonna say that the weaker box may actually end up being the best .... because they're 50% weaker ROFL
sobekflakmonkey  +   288d ago
The Division in my opinion was the best looking game, I don't know why, just graphically looks ridiculously awesome.
minimur12  +   288d ago
the xbox has 4 billion transisotrs
TheHierarchy  +   288d ago
@Enemy
Microsoft can do nothing to combat PS4's superior specs.

What law dictates that numbers can't be beaten by others? that's like saying "we can't count to 100 because 50 is the maximum".

Microsoft's specs were based on their own choices not sony's.
toshan  +   288d ago
they made ryse only because they had no god of war but still god of war>ryse
PS4 FTW !!!
badz149  +   288d ago
@Cmk
I agree that GoW is the pinnacle of hack 'n slash but comparing the QTE with Ryse?? c'mon...that's the most ignorant comment I've ever read!

and GoW only has fixed camera to make the graphic look gorgeous but Ryse took it to another level by focusing on the main character to smoke and mirror the bland background just to make the main character look good! and still...

http://savenload.files.word...

that was achieved in 2010! attention to details on Kratos is IMO still 2nd to none!
Utalkin2me  +   287d ago
@Cmk0121

Then we have played different versions of God of War. To say they are riddled with qte is just ridiculous. On the finishing moves of bosses does it have qte, sure it does. But does it have a qte at every peon? Absolutely not.
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malokevi  +   287d ago
"Ryse was like a Call of Duty game mixed with..."

ahahahahaha. Oh god, just stop.

I refuse to read another word.
DragonKnight  +   287d ago
@@Cmk0121: The difference between God of War QTEs and Ryse QTEs is night and day. God of War used them for ending a fight, or moving along sequences in a boss fight. Ryse used them for almost every single hit in a regular grunt fight. That's pathetic.

On Topic: Of course the one with the weaker position in terms of tech is going to say "specs might not tell the whole story." They are using smoke and mirrors to sell the cloud to the naive who'll buy into it. Microsoft haven't clarified anything about the cloud. They say 300,000 servers but don't say if they are real or virtual. They say the power of the cloud, yet only mention dedicated servers. Cloud computing is this gen's ridiculous promise. Just as Sony did when Ken Kutaragi made the claim of the PS3 outputting at 4D, 120FPS, and 1080p.

Anyone with half a brain knows the bandwidth doesn't exist to do what Microsoft is claiming their Azure cloud service can do.

So as of this second, until Microsoft breaks down their cloud system with real examples, Sony's PS4 is superior tech to Microsoft's Xbox One.

But given that Sony isn't even trying to focus on graphically powerful games and is instead focusing simply on games period, who the hell cares what console can output better graphics. We also know that Microsoft will buy parity from 3rd party developers, so it's all moot.
CoolBeansRus  +   287d ago
Only time will tell which has the most capability.
malokevi  +   287d ago
@CoolBeansRus

lol. Annnnd u immediately got one disagree. Of course.

Time wont tell!! Rumors, speculation, and my per-conceived notions of what I like better will be the deciding factor.

What are you, smart?
alb1899  +   287d ago
I know but ryse looks crazy!
I was impres by infamous, killer instict, the division, Forza, battlefield.......I mean a lot of games even assassins creed!

NEXT GEN WILL BE IN SANE!

Opinions are just that, opinions!
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Dead_Cell  +   287d ago
Ryse and CoD are literally nothing alike, what the hell are you smoking?
MikeMyers  +   287d ago
@DragonKnight,
"The difference between God of War QTEs and Ryse QTEs is night and day. God of War used them for ending a fight, or moving along sequences in a boss fight. Ryse used them for almost every single hit in a regular grunt fight. That's pathetic."

So you've played Ryse? How is it?

"On Topic: Of course the one with the weaker position in terms of tech is going to say "specs might not tell the whole story." They are using smoke and mirrors to sell the cloud to the naive who'll buy into it. Microsoft haven't clarified anything about the cloud. They say 300,000 servers but don't say if they are real or virtual. They say the power of the cloud, yet only mention dedicated servers. Cloud computing is this gen's ridiculous promise. Just as Sony did when Ken Kutaragi made the claim of the PS3 outputting at 4D, 120FPS, and 1080p."

So you've played games on the Xbox One and have experience with those games on the cloud? How were they?

"Anyone with half a brain knows the bandwidth doesn't exist to do what Microsoft is claiming their Azure cloud service can do."

Thankfully we have you to make those corrections.

"So as of this second, until Microsoft breaks down their cloud system with real examples, Sony's PS4 is superior tech to Microsoft's Xbox One."

So you played those PS4 games and Xbox One games and came to this conclusion yourself? Again we thank you for those unbiased reviews.

"But given that Sony isn't even trying to focus on graphically powerful games and is instead focusing simply on games period, who the hell cares what console can output better graphics. We also know that Microsoft will buy parity from 3rd party developers, so it's all moot."

Of course. All those demo's of Killzone: Shadow Fall were not to promote graphics. That tech demo from Quantic Dream was not to showcase the power either, just like what they did on the PS3.

If you don't want parity start supporting the PC. We've already witnessed games being compromised because of how popular consoles are. We've also seen the PS2 dominate and be the lead platform because of it even though the original Xbox was a lot more powerful. But I guess back then it wasn't a problem was it since the PS2 had great games right? No, whatever technical advantages the original Xbox and PC had at the time was irrelevant. Amazing how now it's such a big focus when Microsoft becomes more competitive. All of the sudden all those Sony fans come out of the woodwork and tell everyone how unfair things are. Having timed exclusives on games like GTA didn't matter on the PS2 either but when we've seen it happen on the Xbox 360 all of the sudden Sony fans once again come out of the woodwork.

Is it impossible for Sony loyalists to actually enjoy the Playstation systems without throwing the competition under the bus on a daily basis? Seems to me that is the only way they enjoy Sony platforms is if they can downplay the competition every chance they get. Which is odd seeing as how I was one of the first to buy a PS One system from the Sony store on day one for $299. I've been a fan for years. I didn't know part of the prerequisite for being a fan meant being a fanboy.
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DragonKnight  +   287d ago
@Mike: I don't care if I have to repeat it until the end of my life. Answer the question of why you follow me around, and maybe I'll acknowledge any B.S. you want to talk about. Until then, you are simply wasting time. I suppose that means nothing for someone who has nothing but time to waste.
AnteCash  +   288d ago
http://www.ign.com/images/g...

That is the most next-gen looking game he sawon either platform?? woow ....
HammadTheBeast  +   288d ago
The character models look great, but the environment is very bland.
starchild  +   288d ago
Yeah, definitely not the best. But then again, Infamous Second Son didn't blow me away either:
http://www.ign.com/images/g...

In terms of textures, character models, lighting, shadow resolution and quality and things like that, the two games are fairly similar. Infamous Second Son just has more color, but anybody with an ounce of technical knowledge knows that color palette has zero to do with graphical performance.
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sobekflakmonkey  +   288d ago
Infamous: Second Son looks better and its an open world game....but yeah, I think The Division looked the most impressive, but thats just me.

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Destrania  +   288d ago
The Division looks stunning. Can't wait for next gen. For now, back to The Last of Us.
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Hercules189  +   288d ago
It looks much better in motion. If you watch it above 720p you can tell that this game is truly amazing looking, now art style is an opinion but you cant just say that this game looks like its possible on ps3. Look at the smoke and fire effects the reflections in the water, everything about this game looks great. Some of these screens look like they captured them at the wrong time.
itBourne  +   287d ago
The Division and Infamous were the best looking games, I think Sony made a mistake not showing gameplay for Infamous at their conference because it was freaking awesome.
Ju  +   287d ago
"Some of these screens look like they captured them at the wrong time."

Yeah, like during game play. LOL.

The camera focuses on the main character. That's where they put all the details and make him look great. But if you actually look into the environments or god forbid into the distance there is nothing there.

Go look for a shot where you can see the landing ships in the background. There is virtually no more detail in in the distance. The rocks become blocks, the water flat, the ships last gen.

If this is an indicator what the XBone can do, than by all means, the PS4 is twice as powerful. We will have some discussions when both release this fall. Some people will be getting a wake-up call.

I agree. The Division took me by surprise. And topped already good looking games. The shear amount of "useless" debris in each scene in this game is quite impressive which makes it very live like. Never seen anything like that before because those things looked like real geometry not just "texture painted".
uncharted56  +   288d ago
Kinda disagree with you. Witcher 3 and the Division look to be the most next gen games. Infamous Second Son and Ryse are right up there with their incredible facial animations but if you saw the divison it just looked incredible but from what I have gathered from previews The Witcher 3 was the best looking game reporters saw at the show.
extermin8or  +   288d ago
Infamous second son in my opinion looked better than Ryse the environments have way more colour. Plus it's open world, and you have all those fancy power effects going on at one time and that was just the smoke powers they've shown thus far... The division looked amazing though, not seen much of the Witcher 23 but it certainly looked great from what I did see.
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starchild  +   288d ago
The Witcher 3 looks incredible. Which doesn't surprise me considering how insanely good The Witcher 2 looks on PC.

Infamous Second Son looks really good in the cutscenes, but the gameplay graphics don't surprise me. They're colorful, but the textures, lighting, shadows and most of the other graphical elements don't blow me away. Frankly, there are games on my PC that still look better to me.
PFFT  +   288d ago
Second Son looks good BUT nothing mind blowing. NOW the Witcher 3 looks freaking spectacular.
itBourne  +   287d ago
The Witcher is an amazing looking game no doubt, even 2 is awesome. All these graphics tho are not what is going to make a game "next gen". Honestly I am more excited for games in other regards. Look at what ND has done with story telling and attempted to do with AI. Those are the things I want to see with next gen, or imagine if full environmental destruction was a default across all games.
MariaHelFutura  +   288d ago
The whole story, tells the whole story.
clearelite  +   287d ago
It's clear that they will just spew whatever nonsense they have to and many people will just lap it up.
AngelicIceDiamond  +   288d ago
Its funny how the first time he says specs are "meaningless" at the same time MS boost the specs of the X1.
sashimi  +   288d ago
infinite powah of the cloud! but specs is meaningless -_- and so is the clouds
tubers  +   288d ago
The Division IMO, looked the best.

Loved the cutscenes on MGS 5 tho.
Tyre  +   288d ago
Nice try MS, keep lying & spindoctoring again, but the truth is you're under-delivering on purpose and asking more money for cheaper tech. Developers and a lot of people call your bluff, Jonathan Blow says your lying about your cloud claims => http://www.escapistmagazine...
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mwjw696  +   288d ago
Jonathon Blow is a hack that can't do anything good, only bitch about MS. That idiot has no idea what he is talking about.

If you make about half way down the wiki you will see MS has 8 server farms up, and building more in ireland multiple farms inside each area. With 1800-2500 servers per farm. FACTS!

As of July 2010, Microsoft had completed 6,000 installations of Azure in Ireland. Executives at Microsoft hoped that this figure would rise to 100,000 installations by 2011. That was 3 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

PS: Ive played a better version of his new game already its called MYST!
airgangstarr  +   288d ago
when ur playin on laggy servers on ps4 everyone else will be on dedicated servers on xbox 1 its a big advantage one thing sony cant compete with is xbox live
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4me2  +   288d ago
@mwjw696

I don't think anybody disputes existence or size of MS CLoud infrastructure. The Azure target customers are corporations, services for Office365 .......
Azure needs to make money, compete with Google and Intel Cloud services. Just because MS has servers it doesn't mean they assign them exclusively to XBOX division.
Rhythmattic  +   287d ago
If people think many of "teh Cloudz" servers wont also be data mining...

Well, ill leave it there.
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horndog  +   287d ago
Well if jonathan blow says so than its true I swear. Its not like mr.blow has any bad feelings towards MS. None at all.
Tyre  +   287d ago
I knew you guys would come up with the Blow is biased & but Microsoft has servers! Jonathan is knows more about MS & hardware than we do. Even if the cloud will help edge out the hardware disadvantage in Microsoft's mind (Do u want to wait a couple of years?), it still is an acknowledgement that the XB1 is technically less than the PS4. Sony will use the cloud too in the future and has a technically more advanced terminal (PS4) to do so. PS4 will just as well take advantage of cloud 'in the future' the difference remains....you can't change the hardware. One thing is certain: the first couple of years PS4 will have the better of the two no matter what Microsoft says. Oh did i already tell you it is cheaper? Why do some people start repeating the BS about 'future' cloud? Beats me, since both will use it for a lot of stuff, including graphics.
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gamer2013  +   287d ago
Jonathan Blow develops games out of his basement for god sake! Nobody with half a brain cell cares what this butt hurt noob has to say about MS and the Azure cloud.

http://www.respawn.com/news...
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Ausbo  +   288d ago
Mgs 5 looked amazing. But i think the witcher and the division looked slightly better. Graphics-wise
Every single trailer and shred of footage we have seen up to now has been current gen. It has been 100% confirmed by Konami and Kojima. We havent even seen the next gen versions of the game yet. Kojima said the main focus has been on current gen for now but later we will have the next gen versions. That makes everything we have seen way more impressive.
starchild  +   288d ago
The PS4 is more powerful than the Xbox One. There are no two ways about it.

That said, all the best looking games at E3 were multiplats like Battlefield 4, The Division, The Witcher 3 and MGS5.
PFFT  +   288d ago
Of course since you worked on both systems therefore you already know both systems official specs.
Ritsujun  +   284d ago
Pfft @ pfft.
D-riders  +   288d ago
yeah I agree break down the system like Cerny and prove it. we are not dumb hell a lot of us are devs, so stop the bs MS
TronEOL  +   288d ago
Wasn't Ryse playing on a PC with an Nvidia Titan?

I could have sworn someone posted a photo from E3 of a "XboxOne" broken down and on a Windows 7 desktop screen, with the guy opening up the cupboard holding the PC, PC open and a clear view of a GTX Titan.

And if that really is the case, then Ryse wasn't even running on an AMD card, let alone a system equal to the X1's specs.

:EDIT: added link and image
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

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KillrateOmega  +   288d ago
You'd think that they would at least use an AMD card, but apparently not...
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DJMarty  +   287d ago
@TronEOL - Exactly, more MS smoke & mirrors bullsh#t.
gamer2013  +   287d ago
"I do want to remind people – this interview was done six weeks ago, before E3. It’s not like we just decided to talk about it. So it wasn't that I just decided to call up OXM and give the my opinion :)

I would like to pose this question to the audience. There are several months until the consoles launch, and any student of the industry will remember, specs change.

Given the rumored specs for both systems, can anyone conceive of a circumstance or decision one platform holder could make, where despite the theoretical performance benchmarks of the components, the box that appears “weaker” could actually be more powerful?

I believe the debate on this could give some light to why we don’t want to engage in a specification debate until both boxes are final and shipping." - Albert Penello Microsoft' product planning manager.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
malokevi  +   287d ago
Yeah, totally. The Xbox One probably isn't even real! They are just putting all these games on display to FOOL you into THINKING they are developing a new console! That makes sense!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! (evil CEO laughing with cronies)
Simon_Brezhnev  +   288d ago
To be honest 3rd party games looked the best for next gen so far. I'll take Witcher 3 over MGS5 anyday.
B-radical  +   288d ago
The division destroyed MGS5 in graphics aha But i think he meant ryse was the best looking exclusive
CrimsonSquall  +   287d ago
Except, it wasn't. Killzone Shadowfall looked better than Ryse. But in all reality we should wait a few more months to judge these games graphically because the full development kits haven't even been given out yet on either platform.
NextGen24Gamer  +   288d ago
I said before E3 that MS would drop a bombshell! It never was announced but they are now hinting at it! I will say this, sony fans who Scream & Yell about Stats on paper are in for a huge surprise when the consoles ship! LOL... Yes the Xbox One is 100 more than the ps4. But, it's more than worth it when you find out what you are getting!

Note that when MS announced their specs...they were very vague.

For a REASON!!!! LOL
DoesUs  +   287d ago
You really don't know how this works do you?! Just like GreenP, clueless with your head stuck up MS backside. Keep cashing the cheques.
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ALLWRONG  +   287d ago
As far as exclusives are concerned the Xbox One's games outshine PS (((so far)))
clearelite  +   287d ago
I know they are usually trying to pass off multiplats as exclusives but I'm still not sure they are the same quality as the PS exclusives.
awi5951  +   287d ago
If i was microsoft i would put in a 6 core cpu at 3.3 gigs but its the same one thats in the xbox 360 just double the cores. It would be cheap and far more powerful that what both consoles have now. Put in a amd 7850 card that runs at 950 or higher clock speed with 3gigs of graphics memory. The console would be perfect then and would cost the same.
SDS Gamerfiend  +   287d ago
Infamous son 2 looks better then ryse.
clearelite  +   287d ago
People say ryse was running on a high end PC anyway. Either way most consumers wont be able to tell the difference and MS knows that.

They just needed to up the initial "wow factor" to try to negate some of Sony's hype. Their PR is top not and a great way to illustrate how gullible people are.
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otherZinc  +   287d ago
ESRAM is the difference, it's expensive, and there for a reason. I have no idea why "journalist" continue to overlook the ESRAM of the XBOX ONE.
OpenGL  +   287d ago
because there's only 32MB of it
SkyGamer  +   287d ago
Kind of like the whole debate on NVidia vs ati video cards...
Radeon always had more shader cores than NVidia but real world performance was similar. Just because you have 2048 shader cores running at 800 MHz doesn't mean you're faster than someone who has 1024 cuda cores at 1.6 ghz. Then you have bottlenecks.

Secret Sauce
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
Lykon  +   287d ago
I just wonder if they can produce a box that doesn't break every time a heavy vehicle passes the house.
Smoovekid  +   288d ago
Of course this is coming from an Xbox website.
Kietz  +   288d ago
And a random soccer player can say he loves Playstation 3 and it becomes the biggest article on this site for a couple of days - doesn't matter the source for those types of things.
awi5951  +   287d ago
So comming from a Sony site like IGN would be better ?lol
Smoovekid  +   287d ago
IGN is not a Sony site, lol.
awi5951  +   287d ago
As long as greg miller is there oh yes it is.
MizTv  +   288d ago
3 weeks of damage control and I don't see it stoping anytime soon
EXVirtual  +   288d ago
I know man, this is getting annoying. Every week we get some stupid statement from M$. In 2-3 years the Xbone is gonna get less games or some seriously watered down multiplats. Japanese companies especially (including Square Enix) are gonna ditch it later, if they haven't already.

EDIT: also weren't MS just saying specs are meaningless last week??
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MizTv  +   288d ago
Couldn't of said it better my self
Themba76  +   288d ago
lol almost a month a damage control thats just insane.
zerocrossing  +   288d ago
Microsoft: Xbox One And PS4's Published Specs "Might Not Tell The Whole Story On Performance"

So says Microsoft... You can damn well bet they'd be singing a different tune if the Xbone was more powerful than the PS4 spec wise.
Cmk0121  +   288d ago
think its moreso saying ps3 was far more powerful than xbox but on cross plat games xbox 360 looked better etc so stuff like that. xbox (the original LOL) was far superior than ps2 but ps2 crushed it in sales and gameplay. so specs dont tell the whole story...to end, the wii won this last console war ( is ahead by 22 million units over MS and SONY) and it was the least powerful by far.... in the details folks
Smoovekid  +   288d ago
PS2 sold better because it came out first and people were already making games for it. Xbox was more powerful because it came after.

Xbox 360 and PS3 multiplats looked the same because the PS3's architecture was different.
zerocrossing  +   288d ago
What "Smoovekid" said.

Also many multiplats were built on the 360 so porting to the PS3 caused them to look worse due to the architecture being vastly different leading to devs cutting corners during the port.
extermin8or  +   288d ago
The architectural difference isn't there this time and they are releasing at the same time, witht he main driving force being first party exclusives as a differentiator between the consoles. Plus when games were developed with the ps3 as the lead platform last Gen the 360 on occasion had issues with the device even getting the games to run apparently... and had bigger technical differences than most multiplats made the other way around.
CrimsonSquall  +   287d ago
The Wii one because they caught the casuals in a big way. Theres more shovelware on that system then both 360 and ps3 though so as far as a hardcore gaming experience, just like every nintendo generation its basically only found in Nintendos first party. As for the power of the ps3 vs 360, yes the ps3 is a better console then the 360 as far as computing and graphics goes. This is evident in games like Uncharted or TLOU but this next generation is actually a lot bigger of a difference in terms of power when it comes to xbone and ps4.
MysticStrummer  +   288d ago
But MS says specs are meaningless anyway, then says wait no not exactly, then says aaahhh screw it have you seen Titanfall? Cloud!!!
EXVirtual  +   288d ago
Exactly. You got my upvote :)
HG_69   288d ago | Spam
fattyuk  +   288d ago
Its sad to see that someone from Microsoft is having a direct "pop" at the ps4. Really shows there confidence in marketing so far,

Has anyone official from sony have a "pop" directly at Microsoft yet.... I think not! As long as wrong.
LoveOfTheGame  +   288d ago
Did you miss E3 or something? Sony took plenty of "pops" at MS.
fattyuk  +   288d ago
Did you miss E3 yourself?

I personally didn't but I never once heard anyone from Sony say

"Microsofts Xbox one [insert dig here]"

Yes they had digs but in a very professional way by never actually mentioning the competition!

And considering this article is published weeks after E3 it shows exactly what I said in my original comment,
HG_69   288d ago | Spam
Kobe357  +   288d ago
Damage control, plain and simple.
ala_767  +   288d ago
Another article posted by Microsoft employees :\
HammadTheBeast  +   288d ago
Damage control, 99% of what MS PR focuses on.

Specs do tell the whole story. Cloud can't be used for much other than online servers, some background stuff, and back end processing. Sure, it could free up the console for other stuff, but how much? A few scripts being processed on the cloud isn't magically going to increase RAM, processor speed etc.

We could say Ryse is the best looking next Gen game.... but we have to acknowledge that PS4 will be running Planetside 2 with 6000 players on 3 massive continents on maximum graphics.

All that. Without the Cloud.
CrossingEden  +   288d ago
specs do not tell the whole story, case and point, halo 4 and the witcher 2 on 360, the specs gave no indication that games on 360 could look and run that good
extermin8or  +   288d ago
Well they kind of did... if you knew exactly how their engines were optimising the 360 before hand you'd have been able to show an output equal to what those games provide plus I guarantee if you actually broke the games down there'd be a surprising amount of smoke and mirrors-making little sacrifices where it's less noticeable to make the game run better.
No_Limit  +   288d ago
Enough of the spec talk on both sides, it is all about the games.
HammadTheBeast  +   288d ago
Well, I'll hold my judgement until after Gamescom, hopefully all 3 companies show some great games. Can't wait to see what Media Molecule or Black Tusk are working on.
No_Limit  +   288d ago
Agreed Hammad, it is all about the games. If Naughty Dog show a new game and a new Zelda or Metroid makes an appearance, then I will get the PS4 and Wii U along with my Xbox1 in an instance, no question ask.
extermin8or  +   288d ago
@No_Limit: Naughty Dog are unlikely to show a game till VGA's-they usually announce new stuff there and it's been some 3 years since the uncharted 3 team released something so I expect to see something from them there be it uncharted 4 or a new IP (unfortunatly The Last of Us sequel is unlikely to be announced for another year or two depending on when the Uncharted 3 team release their next game I guess).
Belking  +   288d ago
I have been telling fanboys this from the beginning. The final specs haven't been finalized yet. Xbox-one is a more custom design and ps4 is more off the shelf parts. Xbox-one will be capable than it appears o paper.
AnteCash  +   288d ago
You got no idea, please stop being in denial.
S2Killinit  +   288d ago
that is the exact opposite. The PS4 is the one that has a unified pool with GPU and CPU that are stacked. you are in denial, and I guess all you have to do is not look at PS first party games when they arrive so that you can stay happily in denial.
Belking  +   288d ago
lol..you have no clue what you are talking about. Unified pool doesn't give any performance advantages. Xbox360 had unified RAM so it really isn't nothing new. XB1 is a total custom design. Developers will tap into ps4 powers quicker but in the long run xbox will have more staying power with the dx updates and cloud computing.
S2Killinit  +   288d ago
actually, your the one who has no clue. What does give advantage is the extra RAM dedicated to gaming. Xbox on the other hand wont have longer staying power because MS will simply switch off halfway in the middle of the generation to focus on kinect/casuals as they have done before. So I think we all know which console has "staying power" and its not Microsoft consoles. "Cloud computing" lOl come off it.
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extermin8or  +   288d ago
@Belking: You sir are a fool. 1 simple question if the unified pool really has no advantage why is it what game developers overwhelming requested for next gen when sony asked? Hmm it's also allowed for the HSA tech to be used which as the game goes on could allow for some real improvements to games. The ps4 has an AMD gpu-that's had to be modified slightly to allow it to function with the unified memory pool of GDDR as usually a cpu would run with DDR. The GPU has been totally customised by sony engineers, and AMD ones to optimise fot the HSA tech. Plus it has an extra module for background processes and the video conversion for remote play so it doesn't use any of the main system processing power. Wheras the xbox one has the same CPU modiified slightly to what end they haven't revealed. It could be anything really even just overclocking/underclocking-lik ely its related to the ESRAM module I guess. The GPU is a straight off the shelf Radeon card. I've forgotten which one but it is a good card albeit has less shaders/compute units than the one in PS4. Plus we know that the xbox one reserves 2 cpu cores and 3GB of RAM for system processes, kinect and TV services/multitasking and has an OS with larger footprint. So as it requires cpu units reserved and they've not mentioned any other modules I think it's safe to say they would have so it seems highly unlikely there are any custom modules to do the DVR features or general OS multitasking etc. Thus the consoles are about equal based on how much custom they have vs off the shelf but Sony probably has slightly more custom than MS.

Also @Belking you realize DX updates are a nuisance to developers, if they had more direct access to the hardware instead of going through drivers like DX they'd have more access to the machine's capabilities. Wish I had the link to the article where deaths were saying that DX and open GL etc were a pain this generation just gone at reducing the efficiency of any code they wrote. I mean even valve are pushing for windows and dx to be a second thought when developing games, and pushing for Linus along with their gaming PC/console hybrid range the steambox's will all be running Linux OS. Ubantu based I believe but I could be mistaken-I know for sure it won't be coming with Windows. I know Linux generally supports open GL but apparently it harms efficiency less than DX.
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Thomper  +   288d ago
This is true. The ps4 uses off the shelf (semi customised) components, hence how they kept the price down for an awesome polygon pusher. Looking forward to what they can do.

Microsoft seem to have taken a more innovative approach, customising every component that has gone in.

I like that XB1 has An HDMI in and Kinect 2 is an innovative and interesting proposition.

2 different approaches, 2 exciting pieces of tech.

Stop the hate guys. Just love that you are gamers and we are witnessing possibly the last "next gen" console war. I've been around for the last 5 and haven't been fan-boying since the megadrive / Genesis Vs SNES days.

Grow up, respect your fellow gamers !!

Oh, Uuuuulllltttrrraaaaaaaa Cooooommmbbbbooooooo. ;0)
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windblowsagain  +   288d ago
Wrong.

Both the CPU/GPU were customized by SONY.
DarkHeroZX  +   288d ago
HDMI in is for TV features only. And Kinect 2? That's hardly revolutionary....
sync90  +   287d ago
Hahahaha so speaks the brainwashed microbot.
Thomper  +   287d ago
@sync

Thanks for the constructive comment. It's given me a lot not to think about.

Nause
first1NFANTRY  +   288d ago
every comment you make i mark you as a troll. why do you still have more than 1 bubble? the mods must really pity you.
Thomper  +   288d ago
Perhaps the mods have brains?
AnteCash  +   288d ago
Its comparing a xbox crippled 7790 radeon(10% reserved for 3 Op Systems and kinect)
and a comparable 7870 for ps4.

edit - Xbox 1.08 gflops
- Ps4 1.8 tflops

you cant change that fact
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Loki86  +   288d ago
1.23 flops was the initial spec, now it could be closer to 1.6 with read/write eSRAM.
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grassyknoll  +   288d ago
You have no clue what you're talking about.
Smoovekid  +   288d ago
Stop
Loki86  +   288d ago
Read my previous post on eSRAM I have very good idea what I am talking about.
Loki86  +   288d ago
Simultaneous read-write is defined as the situation when the two clocks, CLKA and CLKB, turn on very close to one another to initiate one write operation and one read operation on the same address of the RAM. The behavior in a read-write or a write-read situation depends on what occurs at the positive or the opening edge of the clock. Since it takes time for the write operation to occur and also the read operation, a small delay is required between the positive edges of CLKA and CLKB in order to successfully perform a simultaneous write-read or read-write operations. All events except for events having both edges opening simultaneously will have a stable, known output.

This small delay is then made up for when you have more cores to pull from the CPU/GPU integration. So essentially as long as the delay can be accounted for in real-time this should have no effect on resolution or throughput . The problem again exist in the ability to make the most use of this eSRAM, but it definitely not PR speak.

This was my previous post, since it's obvious that no one here really has a clue what is going on.

EDIT: @grassyknoll - MS engineers already have stated on the surface without digging deeper they can get 133 GB per sec out of the eSRAM. I don't have any idea where you are getting your figures, but you couldn't be more wrong.
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PFFT  +   288d ago
Loki dont even bother dude. Some of these peeps are long gone. Best thing we can do now is just smile nod and agree to what some of these peeps say. Once the consoles release the truth about each respected systems TRUE specs will too be revealed.
DJMarty  +   287d ago
@Loki86 - eSRAM just make Xbox One even more complicated. Yet another hoop to jump thru just to get average performance that still fall way short of PS4's GDDR5 bandwith 176Gb on chip.

PS4's CPU/GPU/APU & GDDR5 are all on same die, making interconnects very fast.
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grassyknoll  +   288d ago
That's fact, the tech specs have revealed that, if the Xbox One has been downclocked by 50 mhz, it's gonna off under 1 teraflop of performance for games. Epic wanted 2.5 for Unreal Engine 4...
Loki86  +   288d ago
I'm sorry but you absolutely no idea what you are trying to say, downclock is not confirmed as it could very well be using only 88 percent of the ESRAM towards the GPU throughput. Also, UE4 has been through radical changes since it was announced and will be confirmed for both consoles.
EXVirtual  +   288d ago
Oh sure. If their specs were better (which would never happen), they would be like 'our specs are amazing yeah and that's final.'
S2Killinit  +   288d ago
I guess the "cloud" PR failed, now its up to "denial" PR. I think numbers tell the story pretty good, but thanks for the effort Microjerks.
SITH  +   288d ago
With so many people who have gone through numerous console releases, you all should know by now that specs are not final until the consoles are shipped and that is made public like it always has been. And we are far from that. Anything is likely to change. Even major architecture. People always devlop amnesia when a new console is coming out whether it is price, launch dates, games amiable at launch, and features online.
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illtownNJONE  +   288d ago
listen....the games speaks for themselves xboxone games clearly look superior to the ps4 first party titles hands down
Majin-vegeta  +   288d ago
Really??cuz KZ:SF shart on anything M$ showed.Then again M$ were using a different graphics card or something that is not on the xbox uno.
PFFT  +   288d ago
LMFAO!!!!!! Sureeee
ZodTheRipper  +   288d ago
You haven't seen anything yet. Just throwing in some random words, Sony Santa Monica, Media Molecule, Naughty Dog. Did you sleep under a rock this gen or do you really think that this is all the PS4 has to offer?
dmeador  +   288d ago
Specs do matter, but not like a lot of people think. All it does is give something more potential. A football player that runs a 4.6 and benches 300 can outperform one that runs 4.2 and 400 due to the utilization of skills. The quality of code and the efficiency of the general programming goes a long way.
Ipunchbabiesforfun  +   288d ago
huh? That's a terrible comparison.
NeoRatt  +   287d ago
Agreed.

It is not only about specs it is about how the specs are used. Here is an example from MS Build last week where MS has patented a process called tiled resources in their new version of DirectX...

http://channel9.msdn.com/Ev...

If you are willing to spend the time listening to the session, what you will learn is that the traditional way that textures were handled can be made better and yield better performance results using a different technique.
KionicWarlord222  +   288d ago
"Given the rumored specs for both systems, can anyone conceive of a circumstance or decision one platform holder could make, where despite the theoretical performance benchmarks of the components, the box that appears "weaker" could actually be more powerful?"

That would be a shocker if the ps4 or the xbox one has more powerful specs then we actually know.
N8  +   288d ago
So basically ps4 exclusives will look better . like this gen with ps3
CaulkSlap  +   288d ago
The multiplat games will likely look and run better as well since they both use the same architecture. XB1/PS4/PC are essentially one development platform now. At a bare minimum the graphical effects settings can just be cranked up a bit to take advantage of PS4's extra power.
Roper316  +   288d ago
I know everything I need to know about MS as a company to know I don't want to support them any longer in this industry weather the console is stronger, weaker or the same.

Once a liar & a BS'er always a liar & Bs'er and that is what MS is all about to me lies & BS.
Optical_Matrix  +   288d ago
I'd believe them if there wasn't such a huge lack of transparency regarding the specs since the machine was revealed. Throwing out buzzwords like '300,000 servers', '5 billion transistors' and 'infinite power of the cloud' mean nothing and if you were that confident in the spec, you would have published a documental with full details, just as Sony did the day after the PS4 was revealed. Talk about trying to save face.
joeorc  +   287d ago
@Optical_Matrix
100% agreement

"I'd believe them if there wasn't such a huge lack of transparency regarding the specs since the machine was revealed. Throwing out buzzwords like '300,000 servers', '5 billion transistors' and 'infinite power of the cloud' mean nothing and if you were that confident in the spec, you would have published a documental with full details, just as Sony did the day after the PS4 was revealed. Talk about trying to save face."

I have no problem, in what Microsoft are saying, as a matter of fact what they are saying holds some truth, but aside from that Sony have been very upfront in their spec's about not only the PS4 but the PSVita.

Mark Cerny has been pointing out problems that they found when building and designing the platforms and the ways they went to tackle such problems. when your telling both parts and sides to the design effort and being pretty public with the info, they are atleast showing a more realistic expectation what you can expect with working with such hardware, and what the consumer can expect with further refinement.

while listning to both companies engineer's on the technical concepts and development of such hardware platforms, Sony seems to be more upfront, and have been with the info, and that is mainly due to the impute they wanted from 3rd party, when they were designing the PS4 like they did with the PSVita.

As for microsoft's engineer's they already stated the design concept for the xboxone.

Microsoft’s Engineers On Xbox One: “We Purposefully Did Not Target The Highest End Graphics.”

“We purposefully did not target the highest end graphics. We targeted it more as a broad entertainment player."

http://www.computerandvideo...

Mark Cerny

"it is the most powerful game console ever made"

Is Microsoft ready to dispute this claim?

http://www.polygon.com/2013...

THEY CAN TRY, But in Jeff Goldblums words

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

"Show Me"
urwifeminder  +   288d ago
My pc is running rings around these consoles for power but as a forza fan I will be getting xbox one don't care about console power that's why I built a powerful pc still may get a wii u too even though its not powerful has some cool games.
killerips   288d ago | Spam
Gamerchik87  +   288d ago
Did u guys know sonys original plan was to only give developers 4g of ram?

Sony found out about xbox specs and they decided to give more and now were hearing the ps eye was part of the original plan? Now all the fancy lights on the ps4 controller is now useless lol I truly believe sony is taking a big hit on profit and from a business side THIS IS NOT SMART PERIOD. I bet m.s doesn't want to release specs untill August/ September that way sony cant counter with better of the shelf parts. ALSO THINK ABOUT WHEN U GO BUY A TV U BUY A SAMSUNG NOT SONY LOL SONY IS CLASSIFIED AS JUNK COMPARED TO SAMSUNG TO THE CASUAL CONSUMER......ITS TRUE SONY HAS BEEN PLAYING THEIR CARDS WAY TO EARLY.
Sony posted their specs way to early!! Now m.s goal is to make sure they come out on top

Microsoft is like Verizon

Ps4 is like cricket
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ZodTheRipper  +   288d ago
Which drugs are you on, Doritos?
Good_news_every1   288d ago | Spam
FGHFGHFGH  +   287d ago
SONY TVs are way better than Samsung. Samsung uses low quality parts in a lot of their TVs. TVRROD.

https://www.google.com/sear...

http://www.dailytech.com/Sa...

http://www.consumeraffairs....
Gamerchik87  +   288d ago
Its going to be so funny if m.s releases their specs and confirmed to be better than sony. All the ponies will rage so much!!
solidworm  +   288d ago
wouldnt they have done that 2 weeks ago unless they were running scared.
vmartin12  +   288d ago
You do realize we've known the Xbox Ones specifications for sometime now? It's widely known the One can't push pixels like the PS4 can on a hardware level. The One will ship with the hardware we've learned about months ago. With a November release, MS can't afford to redesign the One fearing a 2014 release. So please keep that foolish fantasy of yours to yourself.
Elit3Nick  +   288d ago
MS never revealed all the specs, only the 8GB of ram and 8 core processor, and MS announced that the eSRAM will be more powerful than anticipated so we really can't expect the rumored specs to be final
joeorc  +   287d ago
@Elit3Nick
As for microsoft's engineer's they already stated the design concept for the xboxone.

Microsoft’s Engineers On Xbox One: “We Purposefully Did Not Target The Highest End Graphics.”

“We purposefully did not target the highest end graphics. We targeted it more as a broad entertainment player."

http://www.computerandvideo...

Straight from Microsoft Xboxone Engineers!

So unless you expect Microsoft to miss their ship date for 2013 the spec's are pretty much where they are, and have been for a while. if there is a drastic change they would in all likely hood miss the ship date for this year.
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thexmanone  +   288d ago
Once again PS4 fan boys are scared. Just accept it, the PS4 is the weaker system.
Smoovekid  +   288d ago
Why is it weaker? Explain.
plz
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ZodTheRipper  +   288d ago
[Don't feed the troll]
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joeorc  +   287d ago
@thexmanone
As for microsoft's engineer's they already stated the design concept for the xboxone.

Microsoft’s Engineers On Xbox One: “We Purposefully Did Not Target The Highest End Graphics.”

“We purposefully did not target the highest end graphics. We targeted it more as a broad entertainment player."

http://www.computerandvideo...

Mark Cerny

"it is the most powerful game console ever made"

Is Microsoft ready to dispute this claim?

http://www.polygon.com/2013...

Is Microsoft ready to dispute this claim?

THEY CAN TRY, But in Jeff Goldblums words

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

" show me "

you have to look at this thing philosophically, Microsoft just saved on Hardware Again.
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thexmanone  +   283d ago
ok, I don`t really care, I 'am just feeding the trolls. Its just funny how people get when something like this comes up. Enjoy them both, because its about the games not the specs.
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solidworm  +   288d ago
All the BONE games were running on PC kits not BONE devkits.
Gamerchik87  +   288d ago
@Solid worm do u have a life? I swear u and savage beast must be f*** buddies huh u guys spend all day on n4g posting lyes and wrong information. .....is sony paying u?? Its been confirmed many times only lococycle was the only game running on pc! Why isnt anyone talking about the fact that most ps4 games were running like shit on their dev kits at 30fps lol not one game was running 1080p 60fps while on x1 forza and ki were on ACTUAL XBOX ONES running at 1080p 60fps haha:)......how old are u slow worm??? All your post suggest your 15 years old cause u never have anything smart to say.......lyeing its just a symptom of being scared .....so alltthe ponies must be scared
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PFFT  +   288d ago
Yeah kinda like the Shadowfall demo at the reveal. It was running on a PC with similar(Or maybe beefed Up) PS4 specs. BUT since its Sony its fine right? No harm done.
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Elit3Nick  +   288d ago
People have confirmed that Lococycle was the only game running on PC because it was not yet optimized for the Xb1
solidworm  +   287d ago
you must hat der bubbles lol.
CrimsonSquall  +   287d ago
Can't speak for Microsoft but for Sony, their full development kits are just now going to be shipped this month. So yes, games like kz and inFamous have not even been running on their fullest pitential devkits yet so yea guys we should like chillax and wait to judge until at least a few more months
vmartin12  +   288d ago
Double post
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starchild  +   288d ago
Haha I love it. Console fanboys are always pretending not to care about graphics, but some of the most hotly debated and discussed articles are ones that deal with system specs and the graphical potential of the consoles. Hypocrites.
CaulkSlap  +   288d ago
Everyone cares about graphics. Even Nintendo fans lavish praise on how the new Nintendo 1st party games look. Though that's exactly how they should have looked 6 years ago if Nintendo released a modern console and not Gamecube 1.5 with a Wiimote.

And this generation there's a lot more to it than pure visual effects. 1080p great looking games will be no problem. What has been holding back developers most is the limited RAM and system bandwidth. Games will potentially have much, much deeper and more interactive worlds now. With PS4/XB1 as a new baseline for the big budget games we'll see some incredible stuff.
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