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Submitted by Commandar_Shepard 388d ago | news

Xbox One and PS4 interest ‘balanced’ suggests retailer

Trusted Reviews: "With a back and forth of consumer interest flitting between the two consoles, Microsoft and Sony are reportedly neck-and-neck in a bid to tempt potential customers into plumping for their respective next-gen consoles ahead of that of their bitter rival." (Microsoft, Next-Gen, PS4, Sony, Xbox One)

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pedrof93  +   388d ago
I don't think so. PS4 pre-orders are way superior. Just take a look at Gamestop or amazon pre-order results.
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Skips  +   388d ago
Anonymous retailer

vs.

GameStop and Amazon

LMFAO!!!!!!
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NewMonday  +   388d ago
after 1 year in the market PS4 will likely sell over 12m consoles and the XBone less than 5m
dedicatedtogamers  +   388d ago
Yeah, the double-speak is funny.

It doesn't say "sales are balanced suggests retailer" which would indicate pre-orders from X1 are catching up.

It says non-words like "interest" instead of sales "balanced" instead of more specific words like "matched" or "exceed" or "nearly there".

And of course, the retailer is only "suggesting" it. They're not even coming out with hard data.
greenpowerz  +   388d ago
People are writing stories about the massive momentum shift. If momentum doesn't changed talking about how Sony had more sales due to DRM will be a moot point soon.
TheTwelve  +   388d ago
Greenpowerz, I googled "momentum shift" and "Xbox One" and I found no stories. Can you link me to one?

@Greepowerz --- N4G may be an pro-Sony haven where all negative stories are blocked, but they shouldn't be blocked from my view on Google. O.o
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greenpowerz   388d ago | Trolling | show
MysticStrummer  +   388d ago
@TheTwelve - If you keep track of green's comments, you won't expect much in the way of proof.

@green - You're actually claiming N4G's approval process has anything to do with a Google search?

lol
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Skips  +   388d ago
@greenpowerz

What "massive momentum shift"??? LMFAO!

Xbox One has been at the same spot on Amazon pre orders for weeks, even AFTER the DRM change.

Amazon updates their "best selling" DAILY. So you would've expected Xbox One's position to change right??? Well they haven't. XD

As of now, PS4 is beating Xbox One pre orders in the US by quite a margin (PS4 is #3 while Xbox One is #6) and is CURB STOMPING it in the UK, (PS4 is #4 and Xbox One is #69).

http://www.amazon.com/gp/be...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/...

Last time I checked, the US and UK were Xbox dominant territories, yet is getting destroyed on the largest online retailer in the business.

Just imagine how much PS4 trounces it in PS dominated territories, like pretty much the rest of the world.
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MMEHTA  +   388d ago
You do realise that Hameley's is one of the biggest toy store's in the world its located in London and also operates a franchise called GAME which is UK's main Video Game Store same as gamestop.
Skips  +   388d ago
^

Hmmm, true. I should've put "Anonymous person" considering all we know from the guys is "a lead buyer for the iconic toys and games retailer", according to the article.

Still all he said was "Interest", not actual pre orders numbers...

And I'd take Amazon's http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/... actual chart (which tracks everything, that also updates daily) over a quote from some anonymous dude saying "INTEREST is pretty balanced". lol
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EVILDEAD360  +   388d ago
@ Sonic 2000

There has definitely been a positive momentum change for Xbox ONE since the announcement of the DRM reversal.

Best sellers on Amazon change daily. Xbox ONE has been at number one quite a bit since in the last week+

Right this very moment as I post this:

Amazon US: Xbox One #4th & the PS4 8th

http://www.amazon.com/best-...

Amazon UK: Xbox ONE #7 & the PS4 5th

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/...

This doesn't suddenly mean the Xbox ONE suddenly overtook the PS4 but there is a shift.

Momentum proof is in Mover & Shakers section of US Amazon and the Xbox ONE is #3 and the PS4 is #4

http://www.amazon.com/gp/mo...

Let's keep it real, no one knows the true numbers these are places on an Amazon chart. Even in your US links the only thing separating the two consoles are Xbox Live and PSN cards.

At the end of the day, even after the barrage of negative press the Xbox ONE which is 100 dollars more expensive than the PS4 is selling well at retail.

This is June and MS hasn't even start promoting the system yet.

Post BS policies, the Xbox ONE is going to sell out of it's preorders and inventory pre and post launch.

Both systems are going to enjoy a great holiday.

It's going to be fun times as we get closer and closer to launch.

Evil
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Skips  +   388d ago
^

"Amazon US: Xbox One #4th & the PS4 8th
Amazon UK: Xbox ONE #7 & the PS4 5th"

I'm talking about these... -_______-

http://www.amazon.com/gp/be...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/...

You know... OVERALL??? -_- Xbox One is getting smashed...

US: PS4 = #3 OVERALL, Xbox One = #6 OVERALL
UK: PS4 = #4 OVERALL, Xbox One = #69 OVERALL

Even AFTER the DRM change, Xbox One hasn't even moved up ONE spot in the OVERALL pre orders. THAT's what I'm talking about and that's literally the only chart that matters. lol

If you didn't notice, there's a difference between the OVERALL pre order chart, and the CURRENT pre order chart.

OVERALL > CURRENT

The only reason why Xbox One pre orders are showing higher, or almost the same CURRENTLY

http://www.amazon.com/best-...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/...

is because the PS4 DAY ONE edition is ALREADY sold out and has been for weeks! lol

Not to mention the PS4 bundles that split ALL the pre orders into, like 5.

Xbox One DAY 1 edition hasn't even sold out, and it's practically the only one up for pre order.

So of course it would show higher, or almost the same as 5 SPLIT pre orders. And not to mention 1 THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SOLD OUT, just days after it went up. -_-
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bviperz  +   388d ago
lol, nice try evil, trying to spin them numbers. You should work in the media!
JokesOnYou  +   388d ago
No spin Evil spelled it all out pretty well, sony's initial preorders were higher, yes the day edition is sold out, micro had a lot of bad press, plus higher price, no ads yet, its still a long way until Novemeber, and on the current best sellers list X1 is holding higher than ps4. Sure ps4 is split and leading overall but again who knows what the gap is now and more importantly what it will be come launch....that's not spin, that's facts.
EVILDEAD360  +   388d ago
@ Sonic,

No one is claiming MS suddenly overtook Sony preorder sales overnight. That would be silly.

What Amazon does prove is Xbox One is currently gaining positive traction.

MS only changed their policies a week and a half ago, the console isn't going to miraculously jump the overall sales gained by the PS4 immediately, but the console has been at number one in the US throughout the week.

Not taking away anything from the great job Sony has done gaining the good pub through E3, but considering that Xbox ONE is the 100 dollar more expensive console that has had to overcome the negative press, it definitely could be 100 times worse.

The bottom line is Amazon charts don't show actual sales numbers. At the end, of the day the real rubber is going to meet the road when the ad campaigns kick in and the masses start flocking to these consoles in the Fall leading all the way into holidays.

I just honestly see a big holiday for both consoles and sellouts on Black Friday, with Sony doing better worldwide.

Evil
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Diver  +   388d ago
I looked at the pre orders an the ps4 easily leads at gamestop an best buy with it just behind the x1 at amazon an both x1 and ps4 dropping at amazon.
ftwrthtx  +   388d ago
People seem to forget that not all retailers clump their PS4 pre-orders into one number. Bundles can be counted separately and then not added to the overall PS4 pre-order total. Amazon does this as the SKU's are different from a launch ps4 and a Killzone Bundle.
adorie  +   388d ago
This might sound immature, but the way they tally consoles is a bit stupid. A console sold should be a console sold. End of. But, what-everrrr.
ftwrthtx  +   388d ago
Completely agree with you adorie.
Timesplitter14  +   388d ago
"Gamestop or amazon pre-order results."

Is there a place where I can see those?
CoolBeansRus  +   388d ago
@ TheTwelve
How often does that update?
What is the total number of pre-orders on the site?

Those are things you cant answer therefore that site is irrelevant. It shift up and down, im sure the playstation is ahead but that site proves nothing. I've seen the xbox one on top on that same amazon link. You just dont know how often it updates.
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TheTwelve  +   388d ago
If you read the websites (top left), it says that it updates daily.

While we don't know exact numbers, you will note that the PS4 is sold out while the X1 is not, yet the PS4 is still ahead (and quite a bit ahead in UK). If something is sold out, it can't advance any longer on the ranking and yet the PS4 still hold very high rank.

Also, you can also get a relative view of how things are going by comparing it to items sold around it.

For example, you can see in the UK that so far the X1 is being outsold by the "Skylanders Giants Character Pack:...whatever the heck that is.

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@CoolbeansRus
--- The "Launch edition" is indeed sold out.
--- We don't know how many PS4s are available, but point is that more PS4s are being sold. I suspect it will only look close(r) in US (as Amazon reflects)
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CoolBeansRus  +   388d ago
Twelve, the ps4 is not sold out. It lets me pre-order right now. We also dont know how many PS4 are available compared to X1. Yet another reason why this site is unreliable.
jeffgoldwin  +   387d ago
Interesting how the sony chums come out to clammer a lead in pre-orders, but when a xbot does it, it goes like this: why do sales matter, do u own stock? Or maybe you work for ms so your opinion is irrelevant. Fans will be fans.
CoolBeansRus  +   388d ago
Some of you need to grow up and stop with these silly comment. Just a bunch of trolls doing this:
BLAH VS BLA I dont think so MUAHAHA
LOOL LMAO!!!!!
AFTER bla blah 203 billion copies LMAO!!
Xbone muahhaha

The people who actually write something intelligent get thumbs down, but the trolls get thumbs up.
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kickerz  +   388d ago
Totally agree wit u coolbeans.
brave27heart  +   388d ago
Ive made my decision. Regardless of what official sales figures are theres nothing that can devalue that decision.
GribbleGrunger  +   388d ago
It doesn't matter which company sells the most the quickest, what matters is which company can ship the most. To put it another way: If Sony ship 1 million a month and sell those in 1 week and Microsoft ship 1 million and sell them within the month, the result will still be that both companies have sold 1 million units each in that month.

In the short term, when hardcore fans are buying, the difference won't be that noticeable. It will then be entirely down to who can ship the most and who can get the greatest mind share. Then it becomes a case of which company can actually shift what they ship because you can't sell more than you ship. With Sony announcing shipments to India and Mexico recently, and MS struggling to do the same, it looks like shipments for the PS4 will outpace those of the X1 quite significantly.

All Sony have to do is equal X1 in sales for America and the rest of the world will take care of itself. Success for the PS4 looks assured, whilst success for the X1 is not quite as clear.
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adorie  +   388d ago
Well, if Sony sold 1 million in a week, imagine what the total sales would be VS the 1 million Xbones sold for that month?

*eyes crossed*
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GribbleGrunger  +   388d ago
lol. That's not quite what I meant adorie.

It has recently been mentioned that a company has been commissioned to make cheaper GDDR5 RAM and I'm guessing that it's Sony that commissioned them. The company making that GDDR5 RAM is likely to start production next year, according to the rumour. IF this is true and IF indeed it is Sony, then this suggests Sony will start producing more than a million consoles a month.

1.5 million a month would put them within the rumoured 16 million target for the first year ... but we still don't know if that figure was legitimate or whether, just like the PS2, that figure includes PS3s too.

Here's the rumour. Take it with a pinch of salt at the moment:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

"Had a conversation with a source in semi-conductors this morning, said that one of the major memory manufacturers is currently testing 8Gbit GDDR5 chips of identical specification that would be required for 8GB at 176GB/s. The source said that chips would be ready for commercial devices by the middle of 2014 and would lower the cost for Sony by around a third if they use these chips. They added that it seems like these chips are built to order for one major buyer (Sony I'm guessing)."
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jeffgoldwin  +   387d ago
"announcing shipments to India and Mexico recently"

Since when did Mexico ever become relevant? Kinda why immigrants are entering into the US by the thousands each day.

Come now, let's work on your troll here. India was an ok start (maybe). In the future, start out with Europe and next japan, then you will be well on your way to at least being a semi-logical fanboy muppet. I didn't want to step in, but it was sad to see a prospective muppet struggling to poorly.
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GribbleGrunger  +   387d ago
They announced shipments to India and Mexico ... What part of that don't you agree with? Let's ignore Mexico just for you. Read it again without Mexico, ok? Now carry on.

I'm not sure you understand the meaning of the word trolling. I've given MY opinion, that's all. Only a blithering idiot would not recognise that Sony are in the better position at the moment, and part of the reason is because of Microsoft's greed and incompetence.
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fermcr  +   388d ago
If Xbox One and PS4 interest are balanced (witch i don't believe), then that's pretty surprising. With all the crap the X1 has been taking, all the negative news and 100$ more expensive, i would of thought that the PS3 would be making a killing in preorders.
GribbleGrunger  +   388d ago
Currently the PS4 is outpacing the X1 in pre-orders, but as I said above, that doesn't really make much of a difference in the short term. It does, however, make a difference in long term mind share.

At this point it appears that Sony will begin to pull away after three to four months (in WWS) and I'd say we could be looking at a 2.5 to 3 million lead after the first year of sales. Of course price will be a factor, as will exclusive games, but if the gap is bigger than that I'd have to say it will definitely be down to yield problems -- at least for the first year.

After that, like I said, it's ENTIRELY down to mind share and at this point Sony have a HUGE advantage in that respect, unless MS start a campaign of deceit and misinformation to 'slow' the sales of the PS4 (as opposed to boost the sales of their own console). I believe the road map has already begun in earnest ...
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CapraDemon  +   388d ago
PS4 is spanking XBOX in us/uk pre orders. These are M$ two biggest markets , so when you add on japan and the rest of europe it is a total victory for the Gamers console
DeadlyFire  +   388d ago
I think this retailer just sold out of both so they don't know how to measure it after they are out of units.
Gekko36  +   388d ago
just checked the stats here is the UK and they seem to be pretty much the same in preorders and 12 months down the line it may still be the same.

I popped into GAME in Bangor Wales and they are saying the same that there are plenty of each knocking around and order are pretty much the same.

I suppose it's due to the near neck and neck install base for both xbox 360 and ps3. Most people are upgrading and sticking to their own brands which makes perfect sense.

Some core gamers may bitch and moan but to be honest there isn't going to be much of a difference really in the long run.

Both systems are similar, both have 7000 series graphics cards both have bluray, same for 8gb ram (yes gddr5 vs ddr3 with esram and that cool bandwidth move gizmo), both online, both pay for play (it's only £32, fuck all really). So not realy that much to get your knickers in a twist over, Xbox owners will probably stay put, same of praystation owners.

All this stress over fuck all really.. bless
jeffgoldwin  +   387d ago
Im tempted to say eff the whole console thing (neither are BC anyways, charge for online, and cost $400 or 500). Might just stick with a gaming pc and Steam. Then go plug and play with a next gen controller since 90%+ of games multiplatform anyways.

Idk than I miss out on a some exclusives. My head hurts now....
DxTrixterz  +   388d ago
I was at my local GAME shop two days ago and I've asked how are pre-orders going. They said that there is a very high demand for both PS4 and X1 and both are being pre-ordered in nearly same amounts although they did not say which was getting more pre-orders.
Lwhit6  +   388d ago
I think thats how its going to go. PS4 will win sales wise by just a few thousand units. But the Xbone will be close. (This is my prediction at least.)
CoolBeansRus  +   388d ago
Yea, i dont think the beginning will matter either. I think both systems will sell out, the race starts when they're both on shelves for people to grab not at the beginning when they are both selling out.
devwan  +   388d ago
CoolBeansRus, actually it does if one company has many, many more units available for launch and the holiday period.
CoolBeansRus  +   388d ago
Good point, but what matters at the end when the hype is gone is the system experience itself. We'll see how it goes, i personally will wait till the smoke clears before making my leap of faith.
devwan  +   388d ago
@CoolBeansRus Yeah, a lot of people will be waiting to see what their friends bought as well for the multi-player.
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Relientk77  +   388d ago
From what I've been hearing there's more demand for the PS4
MichaelLito79  +   388d ago
You have avenues like Amazon which actually have Xbox 1 currently at number 3 and PS4 at 8, Gamestop has been reportedly doing well with both systems and don't forget on Xbox Live they are taking Xbox One pre-orders. This race is not over and we still have till November to see who is actually going to be pre-order best sellers.
NewMonday  +   388d ago
XBone has 1 bundle, PS4 has multiple bundles, do think this fact will go away if you repeatedly ignore it?!
MichaelLito79  +   388d ago
So why is it that those bundles are not on the top 3 or best sellers list?
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jeffgoldwin  +   387d ago
@newmonday

walmart has 3 different bundles: http://www.walmart.com/sear...

gamestop has 9: http://www.gamestop.com/bro...
CGI-Quality  +   388d ago
They have to be in the top 3 to prove something? OK, news to me.

Look again at the best sellers list. The PS4 has multiple bundles in the Top 20.
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MichaelLito79  +   388d ago
Why is it that any of those bundles are not on top?
TIER1xWOLFPACKx  +   388d ago
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/... amazon uk ps4 is beating the xb1, http://www.amazon.com/gp/be... amazon us ps4 is beating xb1 aswell
HammadTheBeast  +   388d ago
Hey guess what. The Xbox One launch bundle hasn't sold out yet (number 3 still lol) while the launch PS4 has sold out, even after being restocked once.
Not to mention there have been tons of pre.orders for the other launch bundles, and those a dying down now as people wait for Gamescom and other launch bundles.
CGI-Quality  +   388d ago
Why can't you just answer the question. Why does the PS4 NEED all of its bundles at the top?
chrismichaels04  +   388d ago
@MichaelLito - basic common sense. MS is only offering one option, the launch bundle. Sony already sold out their launch bundle weeks ago on Amazon. Demand for PS4 is so high, that Amazon had to open up 3 new bundles which offer different games. Some Sony gamers prefer the Killzone bundle. Others might prefer the Watchdogs bundle. So now what happens is the PS4 sales charts get spread out while Xbox gamers have no choice but to buy the same one available launch system with no other options.

The Xbox one launch console may have more sales than the PS4 bundles individually, but what happens when you add up all the PS4 bundle sales together? Now add to that the fact that Sony already sold out their launch system and that is how you get your answer. Still confused? Let me make it easy for you. The system that is in higher demand will have more options available to buy. I mean seriously, didn't they go over this in basic grade school math class?
jeffgoldwin  +   387d ago
"I mean seriously, didn't they go over this in basic grade school math class?"

If your follow up your explanation with a childish insult, it makes more accurate. And plus you look a lot more classy and smart.
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Gekko36  +   387d ago
Sorry didn't do "Math" is primary school, I did "Maths".

However in response, in the UK it's pretty much an even playing field. People seem to be going for an upgrade to what they already have. PS3 to PS4 and XBOX 360 to XBOX One.

With both current consoles on an even playing field install-wise, it's not a stretch to see a similar outcome next gen. in order for PS4 to be a run away winning it would mean XBOX losing significant market share, and to do that would mean a huge gap in not so much specs but in features.

To be honest they both have their own strengths, ps4 slight edge on specs and xbox on motion, voice, etc.

However I remember the PS3 fan fair where the CELL processor was to become the de-facto processor of the world, since it was so powerful. But in the end you couldn't really tell the difference between ps3 and XBOX 360 and the cell died a death of deaths in the server market place.

Th fan fair here is similar so I'm not expecting a huge shift this time round despite Microsoft's negative press of late. You forget that Sony is just as much a twat in the business as Microsoft. Tit for tat as they say.
MichaelLito79  +   387d ago
@chrismichaels04

I didn't know preorders let's us know who will sell the most consoles. I thought when the mass go out and actually buy the systems would let us know. Idk, maybe I'm wrong about what sells mean.

Currently at Bestbuy.com the PS4 and Xbox1 are 1 and 2 respectively in the pre order chart.

At Gamestop.com, both the individual Sku are sold out on both consoles

At Amazon.com, the Xbox 1 is #3 and the PS4 is #8. and for most wish for, the PS4 is #1 and the Xbox1 is #2.

So yea, both are going to sell out at the end of the year and both will be best sellers; claiming it otherwise will just make you guys look like fools

Stop following me around like a mindless troll. LOL
chrismichaels04  +   387d ago
@michaelLito - so by your logic...pre-order sales have nothing to do with a products overall sales performance? Your excuses continue to amaze me. Also...you continue to show how clueless you are that you can't understand how Amazons simple sales charts work. Xbox One may be #3 this week, but overall for the entire year, PS4 is still the Amazons 2nd highest sellling videogame product of 2013, while Xbox One is all the way down at #8. Also, "wish lists" dont count for anything. Funny how you say pre-order charts dont prove anything, but "wish lists" do. LOL Once again, you continue to spread lies and misinformation on these forums. As long as you continue to make ignorant comments, the N4G community will continue to call you out on it and flood your comments with disagrees and as a result, you will continue to lose your bubbles.
chrismichaels04  +   388d ago
@CGI-Quality - don't even bother asking MichaelLito a question. He makes ridiculous and biased comments all the time and if you call him out on it, much like many N4G gamers are doing right here, he'll just ignore you and move on to make more biased comments in other articles. Most of his comments are filled with disagrees, yet he continues spreading misinformation and trying to pass off his opinions as facts.
NewMonday  +   388d ago
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Hicken  +   388d ago
Blatant ignorance should count as trolling.

You can't possibly be so dense as to not grasp this. I seriously don't think it's possible for this concept to be so difficult for you, and yet for you to be able to string together coherent sentences.

You, JokesOnYou, EVILDEAD... you guys have GOT to be trolling, because there's NO WAY you look at the overall trends, see how the launch bundle for the PS4 has sold out while the launch bundle for the XB1 has not, and yet STILL believe that the XB1 is ahead.

If you guys genuinely believe the things you say around here, then you're perfect examples of the type of stupidity that drives people to kill. Bubble me down for a personal attack or whatever, but at some point, this ridiculousness has got to stop.

All this misleading BS and straight up lies from these guys need to end. It's not funny, and it's worse than your average fanboy. For all the other crap that gets moderated around here, this stuff needs to be marked as spam or something.

I'm tired of seeing it, and I highly doubt I'm the only one.
MikeMyers  +   388d ago
Get your emotions in check buddy. This is videogames. If you feel they are spamming or trolling them mark it and move on. You are actually making things worse by acting in such a emotionally unstable manner where you need to get all excited and personally attack others because they don't share your passion for Sony.

Whether it's 10-1 in favor of the PS4 or 10-1 in favor of the Xbox One for sales at the end of the year should not give reason to have a breakdown. Enjoy your system, what they say should not have any impact whatsoever on your own enjoyment. Both systems look very good. Both systems will be fun to have. Both systems will bring joy to consumers, but for some odd reason we have individuals who have isolated themselves from being open-minded to other gamers and other platforms. They have grown up to become loyalists instead of gamers which to me is just a form of ignorance and immaturity. When you can only think of a company like Microsoft when talking about games like Forza 5 something is wrong with these people. I couldn't fathom ignoring Gran Turismo because it's on a Sony platform, same with Forza. I will never understand this mentality of it's either you're with us or against us attitude.
DEEBO  +   388d ago
the ps4 is doing better but it also has more consoles to preorder.if you really want the x1 and you're waiting to reserve it.don't wait too long or you're going to be Sh.. out of luck.there is going to be a shortage.
badboy776  +   388d ago
Is this the first time consoles launch so close together?
mark134uk  +   388d ago
bullcrap theres no way there even,after what has happened the ps4 pre orders must be 10 x the xbox one,i guess the retailers dont want to upset either company
Benjammin25  +   388d ago
In some ways, I hope this is true. Competition is good for the industry. I don't want Sony to be able to sit on their arse and not bother next gen. Sony were forced to bring their A game this gen and I personally think they did a great job. 360 was great too, before anyone calls me a fanboy.
Kakashi Hatake  +   388d ago
You have Sony mixed up with MS. MS got big headed and lazy when it came to exclusives.Its all because of their early but slight lead over PS3 which they failed to outsell Sony in the end. Sony completely ANNIHILATED the competition with PS2 and still had some of the best 1st and 2nd party around. Sony and MS are very different and PS3s history will keep Sony from going down the arrogant road again.
gamertk421  +   388d ago
And yet you seem perfectly willing to gloss over the Sony arrogance at the beginning of this Gen. Do you not remember Kutaragi? Do you remember when they said people would get second jobs to afford their new PS3 console that was made of gold and diamonds and could resurrect the dead? C'mon man, every big corporation has their moments of hubris that has the consuming public scratching their heads. There's a good chance that Microsoft could surge in a couple years, but bottom line is nobody knows yet.
latincanuck  +   388d ago
I don't think he glossed over it, he mentioned it if you read his post, last part about PS3's history keeping sony from going down the arrogant road again. Yet even still Sony has had some amazing games in the PS3 so far and more to still come, how many amazing AAA games have come out exclusively for the xbox in the last 3 years vs the PS3? I will stick with Sony solely because it doesn't rely on COD type games. Sony has invested in new IPs and we have seen some amazing games in the last 4 years. This year with TLoU so far and more to come. What does Xbox have for this year?
theWB27  +   388d ago
I didn't know preorders let's us know who will sell the most consoles. I thought when the mass go out and actually buy the systems would let us know. Idk, maybe I'm wrong about what sells mean.

Then people, on both sides, arguing over the numbers like they get a cut. Again, I don't want any to "win" cause the reason we're getting the machines we're getting is because of the competition from last gen.
No_Limit  +   388d ago
Currently at Bestbuy.com the PS4 and Xbox1 are 1 and 2 respectively in the pre order chart.

At Gamestop.com, both the individual Sku are sold out on both consoles

At Amazon.com, the Xbox 1 is #3 and the PS4 is #8. and for most wish for, the PS4 is #1 and the Xbox1 is #2.

So yea, both are going to sell out at the end of the year and both will be best sellers; claiming it otherwise will just make you guys look like fools.
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edonus  +   388d ago
I am trying to tell people that the systems will run out before demand on both consoles. Who ever have the most consoles for sale is the one that will sell the most.

Pre orders are not sales and its very telling when the systems arent even in the public yet. Pre orders at this time only represents how many blind faith consumers you have.

Once the systems are being demoed and the commercials for games start flying that when you see the real consumers come out.
palaeomerus  +   388d ago
Supposedly Xbox One is having some yield problems that might constrain supplies in the holiday season. PS4 is pretty much all mature and off the shelf parts so it's likely they can produce them at a very fast rate.
devwan  +   388d ago
Actually, at Amazon.com, ps4 is #3 and xbox one #6 - you're looking at a recent sales chart, not the one that takes account of *all* sales this year:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/be...

The ps4 at #3 is the sold-out launch edition - their original allocation. The xbox one launch edition in #6 still hasn't matched it and still hasn't sold out. There's also just now a 2nd ps4 SKU creeping into the 2013 sales chart at #99 (Watch Dogs bundle)... but there are at least 5 different SKUs on sale at Amazon. The 'Standard Edition' currently ranks #4 in "movers and shakers" which is a chart for what's selling compared to how it sold recently, one place behind the xbox one at #3. Other ps4 SKUs are placed at 7,8,10, 14 and 56.
PositiveEmotions  +   388d ago
I think the facts are the ones that are there.

Im not trying to sound like a ps4 fanboy but the ps4 is winning the pre order sales just take a look for yourself.
No_Limit  +   388d ago
"Im not trying to sound like a ps4 fanboy" ROFL

No, you are not, YOU ARE a PS4 fanboy! FIXED
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edonus  +   388d ago
First people understand pre orders does not equal interest and vice versa.

There are tons of factors that come in to play. Like dont forget anything internet based like polls or pre orders or general sentiment is going to be skewed toward sony. They have a massive base that scours the internet. They will be the ones pre ordering like crazy.

In the real world the 2 two systems are probably neck and neck. MS has lots of big support when it comes to the biggest games. COD and BF fps in general are closer related to XBOX than PS. This is going to play a factor.

Sony has the advantage of good sentiment and loyal support they always have always will. I see MS opportunity is that they offer more and when the public that is not auto sony get an understanding and a feel of just how much more the ONE offers the advantage will swing to MS.

But sony does own Japan so no matter what there will be a major support group for the Ps4 even if completely out matched.
Pancit_Canton  +   388d ago
PS4 have all the advantage this time around.
- Xbone doesn't have the one year advange.
- The PS4 does'nt have the production issue unlike the PS3 bluray diode fiasco.
- The PS4 cost $399 compare to PS3 $599.
- Strong PS4 line up and full PSN and PS+ service.
- 8Gb GDDR
- Gaikai Service
- Indie developers and strong PS community.
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lucidity  +   388d ago
While anonymous sources can absolutely be legit, this wouldn't comprise a representative sample even if true. And in an era of astroturfing and ubiquitous viral marketeers, should be taken with a grain of salt.
Gamerchik87  +   388d ago
On amazon u.s the x1 has kept 1 or second place for about 2 weeks now while ps4 and the bundles are falling way off the charts and this is hourly :) so as time goes by all the hard core fans already went out and pre ordered and their is still a whole market left and I have no doubt in my mind that x1 will do will in the u.s and really thats all that matters

http://www.amazon.com/best-...
devwan  +   388d ago
It's hourly but only takes into account very recent activity. Look at the 2013 year to date sales and you will see ps4 is killing it:

"Our most popular product of the year. Updated daily."

3. PlayStation 4: Launch Edition by Sony (sold out)
6. Xbox One Console - Day One Edition by Microsoft
99. PlayStation 4 Watch Dogs Launch Day Bundle by Sony

These are the only entries for ps4 and xbox one in the top 100 sellers of 2013 so far... watch for the other SKUs creeping up along with the Watch Dogs bundle.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/be...
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edonus  +   388d ago
I dont get the best sellers thing because nothing has been sold. the console arent out yet.

Then when you go into pre-orders its a different story there as well. Do they count all of console bundles and all in the best sellers section but leave the pre order section separate.

I feel that both consoles will sell out either way but I would still like to know how this the Amazon system is set up.
ASBO-5  +   388d ago
It "MAY" be but the question is, what kind of attention does each have?
airgangstarr  +   388d ago
if microsoft comes out with a kinectless xbox 1 an say it cost 350 then what this isnt out of the question.. but even if sony beats them in sales say by 10k units xbox 1 is gettin a 100 bucks more every console so who really wins
devwan  +   388d ago
That is some crazyhorse economics, you're assuming the unit cost for each is the same.

ms cannot come out with a "kinectless" sku, it's integral to the functionality of the unit. Although we've seen some "impressive" 180s so far, we can't rule out any further flipping and flopping.
greenlantern2814  +   388d ago
But they have pretty much said that is not going to happen.
But then again they said they believed in their policies to so I guess will see soon enough
airgangstarr  +   388d ago
i wouldnt rely too much on amazon preorder sales either i mean u dont put any money down alot of people who preordered could flip flop or jus might be outta work at the time of release an cant get one so too early to say but ps4 definetly has a firm lead due to ms blunders no one can dispute that
Popoffboy187718  +   388d ago
This beatin that, that beatin this , so what who gives a shit !! I can care less. As long as I get a ps4 , I don't care if nobody got one after me.
Supermax  +   388d ago
Oh no ms must have payed that site to say those horrible things.
SpinalRemains138  +   388d ago
Mike Tyson vs Pee Wee Herman is balanced too.
n4rc  +   388d ago
People just love to take the internet waaay too seriously..

for one... virtually all this 4:1 nonsense came from a POLL that any moron could click if they felt the need to make a point..

second... amazon isnt the end all, be all of retail shopping.. and as has been said, preorders are meaningless... anyone has 4 months to cancel it, or never redeem it etc.

For myself personally in my area, i needed to call 3 stores before i could get a x1 preorder the day after E3 (before the DRM reversal) while they all "had plenty of ps4 preorders available" which is the exact opposite of what i tend to read..

then the overall tone of 90% of posts is that of a 14yr old that pastes crap/lies from a blog to defend a misinformed position...

sony out smarted MS on the PR front... no question there... virtually everything else is pointless BS.. its blatantly clear most people have no clue about things they are preaching and arguing is pointless..
greenlantern2814  +   388d ago
And all the area stores where I live had ps4 sold out, but not Xbox1.
both of are statements could be true could be lies see how your argument might not carry any weight.
ThatCanadianGuy514  +   388d ago
Best buy, gamestop and amazon beg to differ.The PlayStation®4 system is flying off the hypothetical shelves.

MS has to cut the price.They NEED to cut the price or it's already over for them.The best they could ever hope for now is to somehow maintain close sales to PS4 (by a gap of millions) and that is ONLY if they cut the price.

Edit below.Wrong on all counts.

1)Sony has been extremely open on all aspects.MS STILL has not released an offical spec sheet.They are trying as hard as they can to hide the infefior specs with all their transistor and cloud fluff.MS has done nothing but lie since the xbox one reveal.

2)All reports suggest PS4 costs them $325-350 and the retails taking their cut.They are actually making a profit on each console.

3)They made the camera optional, just like last time, because motion gaming sucks, as evident with all kinect games.Why force a gimmick on us?

4) Where have you been for the last month? Xbox U's pre-order stock is sold out because they have severe limited allocations and overall low supply.There has been numerous stories about it.
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n4rc  +   388d ago
MS doesnt need to cut prices.. are you a economics professor? lol

MS laid out all their cards... like it or not... sony is hiding TONS of info..

but what gets out, such has they cut the PSEye and essentially abandoned just like the ps3 version just to beat MS on price... who knows, they very well could be losing money on every single console they sell... it wouldnt be the first time..

and Gamestop was sold out of x1 preorders on day 1 where i live.. i could care less what the internet says, that was a fact
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greenlantern2814  +   388d ago
They both could be losing money in fact the first Xbox never made any money for ms and ms took a hit because of the rrod problem with the 360. Since I seriously doubt that any of us really know what these systems coast the companies to make you could guess but that's about all.
And from what I have heard from most Xbox fans they would rather save the 100$ and drop the Kinect.
greenlantern2814  +   388d ago
In the first couple of months the winner will be who ever can put the most consoles on the shelves. But in the long run sony will win again. And if they can out sell Xbox1 in the states then they will win big.
I think that ms is still trailing in pre orders based on what I have seen, but asking retailers is not a good way to judge since they can't really say anything bad about either one because as far as the retailers are concerned they would like every one to come buy both systems at their shop. Plus depending on where you live ask 2 retailers you may get 2 different answers.
n4rc  +   388d ago
what do you mean "win again?"

they lost this gen... by a million consoles last i saw
(75m vs 74m)

not to mention they didnt start turning a profit until like year 6..

sales are only a fraction of the story.. profits dictate the winners in business, not sales
greenlantern2814  +   388d ago
Your wrong sony holds a slight edge but you could find that out on your own.
And to your profit point ms also suffered big loses because of the rrod, but you knew that to.
You also knew that they made no money on the first Xbox at all.
And when ms brought out Xbox 360 the goal was to be number 1 in sales which they are not.
These are all things you know unless you choose to ignore recent sales numbers and facts
ThatCanadianGuy514  +   388d ago
Last you saw? Well you better look again.Xbox dead last for the 2nd gen in a row.

It's amazing actually.They released first, with a year of full marketshare to themselves, and they still couldn't pull off a win.

And i believe you are confusing revenue and profit, which are two entirely different things, but i digress.MS still has not recovered from their Xbox losses and xbox 360 RROD fiascos
http://oi42.tinypic.com/2qn...
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bparks1987  +   388d ago
Before you ps3 fans click disagree like you usually do click these links or better yet if you dont trust the links type amazon.com and search yourself. Then go amazon.co.uk and do the same the facts are on there site live with them!

For all the people who cannot read.This is UK. Ps4 #5 Xbox one #7
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/...

This is U.S.
http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-...

I'm sorry but if you look at the left side what does it say? OOOOO that's right we can all read it together. number 1 also known as #1 or 1 good job you can read. If your going to flame do it properly and with facts not old links from a month ago.
http://www.amazon.com/best-...
#3 overall video game rank #1 system for U.S.
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bparks1987  +   388d ago
1st link and 3rd are updated hourly but if you check throughout the day Xbox always on top in U.S. and right below PS4 in UK.Top left it says Amazon Best Sellers
Our most popular products based on sales. Updated hourly.
ThatCanadianGuy514  +   388d ago
Or you could, you know, use the only links that actually matter.

The best sellers if 2013 so far.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/be...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/...
bparks1987  +   388d ago
Ok if your arguing yours are valid and my aren't then your saying that neither of ours are valid because they both list things completely different and my link is updated hourly and yours is daily.
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sAVAge_bEaST  +   388d ago
bparks ^-^
Easy now, what algorithms are they running>>? 'cause this be the best of 2013.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/be... -go spread your propaganda else-where.

They need s0mething to show their investors,.
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bparks1987  +   388d ago
Read your link. Your best of 2013 is updated daily my 1st link is updated hourly and 3rd is updated hourly. So when people say its outselling Xbox by massive margins thats a huge understatement. It's funny to because I check this multiple times a day and U.S xbox has been on top for a long time now and UK has been right below PS4 also.
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sAVAge_bEaST  +   388d ago
cool story. -I heard blockbuster sold out too!
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Welcome2Die  +   388d ago
Microsoft finally show their true colors at E3.
Public shows their anger towards the BS Microsoft is planning.
Microsoft see's that nobody is pre-ordering their console like they are the DRM-less PS4.
Microsoft Panics and reverses everything

"Oh h-hey guys thank you for showing us the error of our ways! We are listening to the fans!" pfft complete BS.
And theres still people going back to buying into their sh*t.

If you support Microsoft after everything thats happened recently I hope you realize that you lost all respect as a consumer and are a complete idiot.
I cant believe people are ready to throw money at a company that only some weeks ago was ready to f*ck you in every way that you could be f*cked in gaming.
DivineAssault  +   388d ago
Highly doubtful.. Everywhere in my my city had many more PS4 reserves than xbox one.. I cant even fathom the thought of how many ppl are reserving PS4 outside the US.. M$ features dont even work out there so thats going to hurt em.. I would like to see world wide pre order numbers.. Not just 1 or 2 different places
Flames76  +   388d ago
Xbox One is sold out at gamestop.Sony is doing unlimited pre orders due to the fact they couldnt sell out what pre orders they had which is sad.Xbox One is also number 1 on amazon U.S/UK.So yea their neck to neck now but Xbox will pull away as time gets closer to launch.Microsoft just needs to make sure it meets the demand for the Xbox One this holiday.Better have at least 4-7 million ready before end of the year
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