If Microsoft had taken a slightly different approach, they wouldn't have necessarily had to sacrifice their ultimate vision. The article explains some potential alternatives.
Their vision of screwing gamers over is probably far from dead XP
I agree man. They should have just added 3G cards to every system, like what the amazon kindle does.
Can you really game on 3G?
no, but the checkup would be handled through that
Yes on a good signal the latency stay below ~250ms and DL speed ~3Mbits for CDMA. HSPA however has higher DL/UL rate than CMDA. 4G LTE has a lower latency, which is even better for gaming online and streaming. Also a higher DL/UL rate which great for downloading and uploading. I used to play Mass Effect 3 MP while using my 3G Usb Modem. Heck I even download the DLC for it, though it took a while.
he is talking about the 3g cards for the check in. not for gaming on-line. m$ did say that it was kbs of data that needed to be sent.
Actually you could, as I use to play COD Modern Warfare 2 tethering my iPhone running on edge network. Back when I was running a jailbroken iPhone 1, I was also in a party chat, and didn't experience any lag during my xbox live multiplayer matches. So yes you could actually game on 3G.
"Microsoft should still allow people to opt-in. We can’t dwell on what could have been, let’s look to the future with the Xbox One. The fact of the matter remains that many of the ambitious ideas Microsoft had with their console don’t need to be abandoned. There are still many among us that have great internet connections and don’t mind the 24 hour server ping. Maybe with your Xbox Live Gold subscription, Microsoft could allow its users to opt into many of these cloud features. They could still move forward in their vision, and have people opt in once the internet infrastructure in their areas improve. They shouldn’t have to fully concede their vision just because the Playstation 4 made some direct attacks." -Thats what Ive been saying ecery since the reversal, micro has hinted that this may happen...I hope so it would be another huge difference between the brands and I think once most folks get a taste of how convenient this plan can be it will put X1 in a very strong position.
I definitely would like to opt in for the original policies as well. I loved the idea of family sharing, I loved the idea of no longer needing disc. Due to this, I was never going to step foot into a GameStop ever again. I would queue my downloads in advanced and my games would download to my console while I sleep. Also I don't like loaning out any of my games, and this would give me another reason to tell my friends to download/buy their own copies lol. Although, I did pre order my XB1 & PS4 day one consoles at GameStop, so I guess I'll have to step foot in there 2 more times lmao. Game on GAMERS....
Tweets from Aaron Greenberg: Aaron Greenberg @aarongreenberg 20 Jun @Mr_Achilles Digital benefits like no disc @ home,digital library access anywhere & Live Gold for anyone who uses my box are still all there Aaron Greenberg @aarongreenberg 21 Jun @JeremyTrifilo If you have a Live Gold Membership at home, anyone who uses your console or has an account on it can use the benefits. Aaron Greenberg @aarongreenberg 24 Jun @realfabianscott If you buy digital, you can instantly switch with no discs and access your library from anywhere. Aaron Greenberg @aarongreenberg 24 Jun @PNF4LYFE I suspect majority of consumers still will decide to be connected and the benefits of that. Aaron Greenberg @aarongreenberg 26 Jun @SgtHarvey actually almost all of the features are still there. If you buy digital you have no disc and remote access to entire library https://twitter.com/aarongr... -So it looks as though except for the family share plan most of the perks are still there if you go the digital route....I'm definitely done with gamestop.
Why not just offer both ways.
Thats what puzzles me too. They could apply their Ideas to digital downloads while keeping the current physical based model we have always used for physical copies of games.
they plan to from what I understand, but I think they'll have to rework a deal with publishers... some may want to opt out
Shadonic I agree, clearly they have the resources and infrastructure to support it. Like Cueil said I think they dad to go back to the negotiating table with publishers. Again I think they might be leaning towards such plans which would be a huge plus for all types of gamers.
They could've. Then you'd be complaining that they did. Amazing how virtually every media outlet bashed the original vision, now there's 10 articles a day stating they shouldn't have changed.
Tbh MS are in for a rough time at least till after the console launches and all the dust settles. They have some good Ideas but their failure to communicate them properly got them into this situation. And I say that as somebody that mostly plays on x360. They have a good product, although I do think it needs to shed $100/euros. I can see that hurting them initially. along with the bad games press. but once they get the wind in their sails they will do fine. I noticed alot of people on N4g these days are suddenly indie evangelists. Aint these the same people that are always telling us how important exclusive triple A production values and hi fidelity graphics are..a far cry from an indie title but whatever. That said The indie scene is important...how else would we get the minecrafts and journeys of this world? on that alone MS should allow self publishing on X1. Not to appease N4G hypocrites, who had no intention of supporting MS regardless. Thats why I dont respond to certain people on here. Their opinion is right up their ass! lol
I didn't understand why they didn't offer both ways...an offline system that was seriously gimped for features and the always online system.
Yeah definitely. Lost control of the situation and it just spiralled. I'll buy Xbox One with the hope, indeed the expectation, that some of the originally planned features are eventually rolled out.
I wonder if xb1 will even succeed?
The way the games industry is going it needs too. Same goes for sony and nintendo..even hardcore PC guys.. apple and google are looming in the shadows and NOBODY here want that. So lets Hope MS pull their fingers out their ass and this "company shake up" of theirs that takes place in july, gets the Xbox devision back in order. They need more J allards and seamus blackleys..more harrisons and moores..and less mattricks.
why, M$ should fail,. and let google and apple fight for the spot.. that would be a good thing.
@Savage beast Trust me you do NOT want either of those two in this game. If you think MS are bad....
The reason why i ask that question is because theres many criticts hating on xb1 and theres many websites that are hating on xb1 as well not only that many xbox fans are switching to ps4. MS is also mean to its consumers. Don matrick told the consumers that if they dont have internet or good internet that they can just keep playing the 360 and thats disrespecting to their loyal fans and many loyal xb fans are not happy because of that. Also the people that dont have internet probably go to the library, friend's house or a family member's house to use the internet to find tnis things out of course they did a 180 but to some xbox fans thats not enough. Major nelson grabbed the microphone from angry joe when angry joe told major nelson that if they can add drm than its easier to remove the drm now many xbox fans still think that the drm itself its gonna be in the console itself which i myself think so too but at the same time i dont know because idk how their system works Albert Penello told OXM this "The problem is that Sony decided to go out and publish a bunch of numbers, which are in some ways meaningless… because this isn’t like 1990, when it was 16-bit versus 32-bit. As a matter of fact, they actually go out and they talk about how proud they are about their off-the-shelf parts. Our guys’ll say, ‘we touched every single component in the box and everything there is tweaked for optimum performance.’ For me, I’d rather not even have the conversation, because it’s not going to matter. The box is going to be awesome. The games are going to be awesome. I heard this exact same argument last generation and it’s a pointless argument, because people are debating things which they don’t know about." That to me it seems that they really hate sony but if they hate sony than why is ms doing what sony is doing? I think that specs are important. Now idk much about specs but i assume the higher the cpu and ram and amd stuff allows for games to have more extra features and such. Now ms is doing what sony is doing with indie games, but is it enough? Im not trying to offend any hardcore xbox fans here but thats why i wonder if xbox one will do well this year i mean they already lost many fans and lost their trust to many people and probably a few game companies.
Your wording: "I wonder if xb1 will even succeed?" Your true feeling: "I hope xb1 fail" That is your dream, stop hiding behind the truth with stealth trolling. We know how you feel, let it out man. LOL
MS 180 had nothing to do with sony or sony fans. It had everything to do with lackluster preorders and Xbox fans outrage. However I wonder how many of the features they took away where just not possible so maybe that's why they reversed gears so hard. Since just 1 day before they had said sony won't make us change what we are doing. And we believe in our vision we will just educate people on how this benefits them. Because IMO no way where devs behind the family share plan if it was going to let 10 people play a complete game and have MP that just 1 person bought.
Lackluster pre-orders,. and horrible polling numbers.
nah they were already at #1 on the worlds largest online retail site Amazon, now although both consoles preorder strength seem to be dropping X1 is still holding higher over ps4 skus which could suggest its closing the overall gap in ps4 initial preoreder lead. http://www.amazon.com/best-... polls are a snapshot of current mood and are susceptible of manipulation by those most negatively outspoken, while those who are happy/satisfied do not participate at nearly the same level.
This amazon best seller's of '13-so far http://www.amazon.com/gp/be...
Yeah I know thats why I said above that holding higher on the current bestsellers than ps4: "could suggest its closing the overall gap in ps4 initial preoreder lead."
Their vision is bending the customer over a pinball table and having their way, no thanks, I'll pass.
I was never for the forcing of DRM on gamers but giving gamers an option and a clear message would have been better. Now its in the past lets move on to the real topic games.
there was a simple solution keep the 500 dollar one with kinect all the restrcitions an jus add a seperate console without the kinect an restrictions for 350 due to it isnt as powerful as ps4 specs wise simple but they wont do it cause there tryin to psuh the damn kinect on us the 350 dollar one woulda flew off the shelves
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