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Submitted by gamerhorizon 397d ago | opinion piece

E3 2013: Final Fantasy XV: Where is the RPG?

There's still plenty of reason to be worried about Square Enix, despite their recent reveal of Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts III. (E3, Final Fantasy XV, PS4, Square Enix, Xbox One)

kalkano  +   398d ago
FFXVI will also be an action-RPG. Bet on it.

I agree that FFX was the last truly great FF. In fact, it's really the last one that really was a Final Fantasy game. Final Fantasy began a slow, painful death, when Square merged with Enix. Who could have known it would go so wrong?
Blankolf  +   397d ago
Yeah what I saw in the trailer got me excited but it was a clusterfuck of images I couldn't understand any of the gameplay.

Where's the timed RPG, where you would draw your tactic like FFVII or FFX or FFX-2, it's all gone.
Kalowest  +   397d ago
This is a stupid article, from the get-go they said Verses/XV would be an Action-RPG like Kingdom Hearts. I you were following Verses/XV you should know this.
The gameplay looks awesome and the story seem to be interesting.
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kalkano  +   397d ago
But now it's a main title, and they are clearly pushing the entire franchise in this direction. Spin-offs are fine as action-RPGs. But, main entries are supposed to be turn-based.

We already have a Kingdom Hearts franchise. Why do we need two?
Bimkoblerutso  +   397d ago
Turn-based RPG's just don't sell like they used to. To pull down a AAA budget nowadays, developers are..."urged" to design around proven trends, and the trend right now is cinematic action. That's the direction XIII hinted at and that's the direction XV is clearly going.

It could still be great, it will just be a great...action game. You're probably just going to have to accept that turn-based RPG's are going to be the almost exclusive domain of niche-Japanese developers for the foreseeable future.
FinalFantasyFan  +   389d ago
@kalkano

Which rule states tha main entries should only be turn based and spin-offs can be action rpgs? The way this game is going is the only way to save the series. And would u be happy if they made KH turn based and made the main FF series action? Personally I would. With how poor turn based rpgs became, they should take a back seat and allow action rpgs to evolve. It's best for both.
VileAndVicious  +   397d ago
"FFX was the last truly great FF."
No. Just no. Square makes one bad final fantasy game in the main series and all of a sudden the franchise is in decline? FFX wasnt exactly a bed of roses either (it wasn't as bad as XIII, but it had its moments)
kalkano  +   397d ago
X was fantastic. X-2 was an abomination. XII was pretty good. XIII was...ok, I guess. XIII-2 was not good. XIII-3 looks like a total piece of crap.

X was the last game that played like a Final Fantasy. That released in 2001. The series is not in decline "all of a sudden". It's been in decline for over a decade.
VileAndVicious  +   397d ago
So again. FFX wasn't that great it's was "ok".
I wouldn't exactly call x-2 an "abomination" outside of the story it was actually pretty fun. I would Say over all it was "ok".
FFii was good despite its weak story.
And XIII was bad not "ok"
FFXIII-2 was much better than its predecessor.

Do I don't see the series as in "decline" there has really been only one truly bad game abd a few so so entries.
Tiqila  +   397d ago
FFXII was also great!
Mounce  +   397d ago
Nothing wrong with Action RPG's.....it's like a beautiful blend of good visuals, great artistic style that isn't filled with people like Vaan from FF12:

http://images1.wikia.nocook...

So, everything is respectfully set in place - and its gameplay is a blend of Kingdom Hearts and FF with the equip and level up/stat system, perhaps a job system too and the like.

What's not to love? a LOT of FF fans have been waiting for this. Those who still want Turn-based can play Lost Odyssey as it is a GREAT game that still retained the old feel of FF. That and to potentially wait and see if a Lost Odyssey sequel or prequel comes out ;_;
AsheXII  +   397d ago
Battle system has nothing to do with the fact its an RPG, Final Fantasy has always had experimental battle systems, and they will keep that trend. Thats what makes those games fresh.

If you want a traditional Turn based franchise play Dragon quest.
levian  +   397d ago
I don't understand why so many people dislike or dismiss FFXII. In my eyes it was one of the greats, on par with FFIII/VI. It had a ton of secrets and option content, and was more open world than a lot of FF games.

The combat was a lot better than most FF games, where you just attack and cure when you need to. This game magic is useful, you can actually status effect enemies and some bosses, adding tactics to fights. It wasn't an action game but had aspects of an action game.
VileAndVicious  +   397d ago
I agree. I've put more hours into ff12 than any of the others in the series. I thought the game was brilliant.
levian  +   397d ago
I find it strange how hostile people are towards the game. Most likely because they were against the change to the combat system, but IMO it was the best change they've made to a FF game, and I'd be ecstatic if they made combat similar in all future games.
FinalFantasyFan  +   389d ago
@kalkano

"FFXVI will also be an action-RPG. Bet on it."
And I hope it will be. We don't want the next generation to be a repeat of SE's failure in this generation.

Also, action rpgs became the favored genre this generation, and FF15 has a chance to shine, since most of the past action rpgs had boring tasteless stories and/or boring combat, FF15 could be the game to deliver both a great story and fun gameplay.
Need4Game  +   397d ago
SQUARE ENIX have no Money to make the RPG that Fans wanted.
http://asia.gamespot.com/ne...

Few Possible ways to have a proper FF RPG is;
1. Kickstarter
http://www.gamesindustry.bi...

2. MMORPG component add-on for FINAL FANTASY XV.
That'll attract Investment, because FF11 was SQUARE ENIX most Profitable Game.
http://www.famitsu.com/news...

I expect SQUARE ENIX do everything,
and MMO that have customizable Battle Airships sounds fun.

FFXV AirShips Battles !
die_fiend  +   397d ago
Have no money? Did u see the Agni's philosophy. Or the quality of the cutscenes and graphics of Final Fantasy XV. Let me tell you that that stuff isn't cheap
aetze  +   397d ago
You acknowledged that "Agni's philosophy" is not cheap.

Plus, its clear from SQUARE ENIX continuosly falling stock price that they have no money, to make the RPG that Fans wanted.
http://www.bloomberg.com/qu...
kalkano  +   397d ago
I would think it would have been slightly cheaper to make it turn-based...
kalkano  +   397d ago
Anyone want to explain why they disagree?
die_fiend  +   396d ago
Doesn't look it
Neo-Axl  +   397d ago
... I've been waiting for this one for far to long, was amongst my original reasons to buy a PS3 back in the day.

It looks incredible thus far, all that time seems to pay off indeed!
Neo-Axl  +   397d ago
Disagree crew are on the march, Beware!
PeaSFor  +   397d ago
Wheres the RPG?

uh....its the same gameplaythan KH, so yeah its a RPG.
Firan  +   397d ago
There are hardly any RPG elements in KH games.
PeaSFor  +   397d ago
...look like some peoples doesnt know the meaning of RPG, theres is a LOT of different types and thats just too bad that we see peoples thinking that the ONLY "real" rpg are turn based.

whats next?? will we stop to call a 2d platformers "real plateformer" simply because you have more option than being forced to go from the left to the right?

gamers these days...... what a bunch of confused silly kids.
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Firan  +   397d ago
Who the hell said anything about turn based? Not me so why you are throwing a tantrum about that is beyond me.

Tell me why KH games are RPGs then. There's a leveling system and uh... What else?

I do know there are different RPG sub-genres and all but that doesn't mean a few RPG elements make any game a RPG.
arronax-1  +   397d ago
Hardly any in Crisis Core and people were okay with that.
The Great Melon  +   397d ago
Practically every game is an RPG if you consider the fact that you almost always assume a ROLE and PLAY a GAME. You need to add more letters or adjectives to the acronym in order to prevent Mario, Call of Duty, and Assassin's Creed from falling under its reach.
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zerocrossing  +   397d ago
Not really. When most people think of an RPG they expect some kind tactical battle system where you need to plan your actions ahead of the enemies, use buffs and such, or better yet a turn based battle system. Lost Odyssey already proved the old system still works perfectly well.

FF-XV looks like a straight up action game to me, with some light RPG elements just like Kingdom Hearts was. Nothing wrong with that I suppose but it's just a shame to see Final Fantasy completely turning away from what had drawn so many gamers to it to begin with, simply to gain mass appeal... I suppose that's just the way the industry is right now.
VileAndVicious  +   397d ago
THANK YOU!! rpg doesn't mean turn based!! Lol glass someone else understands this.
MoveTheGlow  +   397d ago
Here we go. Ontological arguments on what it means to "be" an RPG carried angrily by whiny fanboys (or, not be, because the negative side of it is the most fun to scream about). You guys know that buffs, experience points, elemental attacks, and HP were all in Borderlands, right? I want a *traditional Japanese turn-based RPG* just as much as any of you, but I'm not going to sit here and complain that an E3 video of an upcoming game for an unreleased console isn't an RPG in the broadest sense. Nearly every new game out there co-opted the traditional RPG in some way. Jesus Jones.

Look, if you haven't played FF7: Crisis Core on PSP yet, go do that. That was a Final Fantasy game with action elements, real-time menu options for which weapons, skills, and magic to use, and it was great. Was it repetitive and grindy and really silly by the time you were dealing 99999 damage? Absolutely. But it was fun. It was way better than anything else past Final Fantasy X, that's for sure. The right guys are designing this particular game, so sit back, relax, and let's see what this is all about once it's playable. If it sucks, then they're the wrong guys, and we can lambaste their next attempt at a game.
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Enemy  +   397d ago
It's an action game with RPG elements. Get used to it, Square-Enix don't know wtf they're doing anymore.
colonel179  +   397d ago | Well said
So when it was called Versus XIII everyone was excited and it was the best FF to come. Now that it's called XV, suddenly is doesn't belong to the FF franchise and everyone is so disappointed?

I will never understand how this world works.
gamers these days are more like crybabies/complainers than anything else. give them what they want, and they find something new to cry about. this place was more civilized back when it was 3 separate sites instead of one.
RyuX19  +   397d ago
The amount of insanity I'm seeing these comments are ridiculous. You are totally right colonel179 everyone was excited for Versus 13 and now that they change the name people are complaining for no real reason.

They think changing the name to XV is somehow going to effect all FF games in the future when they have no proof of that whatsoever. Honestly the more I think about it the angrier I get. People have been waiting for this game for years, for awhile we thought it was cancelled and were saddened. Now we know it still exist and is definitely coming out in the not so far future and people are complaining about a damn name change.

These people baffle me.
Imalwaysright  +   397d ago
No what is wrong with gamers is how easy it is for them to make generalizations and their arrogance telling people how they should feel or what they can say regarding one game. You see 20 people on the internet excited for one game and that means that everyone is excited for that game or likes the direction devs/publishers are taking that game? What are we? Machines programmed to feel the same way about everything?

Also this is a website where we discuss games and everyone will have different different opinons and just like some people are entitled to be excited for any game and voice their opinion, there are also people that are entitled to not feel excited for that same game and voice their opinion without having arrogant pricks telling them what they can or cannot say. Put yourselves in your place and turn your ego down a notch. Your opinions aren't more valuable than other people opinions.
FinalFantasyFan  +   389d ago
@Imalwaysright

Your profile name contradicts with what u'r saying.
DigitalRaptor  +   397d ago
I don't understand these complaints either. If you were excited for Versus XIII for all of theses years, there's no reason to hate on its current status - at all.

This is the same game Versus XIII was - now with better hardware for Nomura to fully realise his vision. It was always meant to be a "spin off". I don't mean that in derogatory terms, I mean that it was part of the XIII universe (sadly) but wasn't a traditional FF game.

I have no issue with it being multiplatform either. I WAS concerned that the 360 would hold it back, but now I can see that even the PS3 would've held it back. It still looks like the most promising FF game in years in terms of scope, characters and story. The gameplay will still be great (in fact, more ambitious).
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Firan  +   397d ago
I'm just worried since SE said FFXV already has sequels planned. I don't want them to make only FFXV games next-gen like they did with FFXIII this gen.

That said I am looking forward to play this game.
N2NOther  +   397d ago
As a spin-off VS XIII would be fine. I can totally understand how fans of the proper numbered FF games are disappointed with this turn.
JackVagina  +   397d ago
i guess KH isnt a RPG either then
Chrono  +   397d ago
An action RPG is an RPG, it's just not a traditional one.
feraldrgn  +   397d ago
It looks good,
the combat looked a bit..err..messy though, hopefully it plays better once they finish it.

It was such a loss when Square broke up, here's hoping Monolith Soft (former Squaresoft members) & SE make a game together sometime in the future.

That's if this game turns into a complete mess though, they really need to redeem themselves imo.
I expect if KH3 & FFXV aren't great games then Square will be officially dead, I doubt they'd be able to survive 2 failed gen's in a row.
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listenkids  +   397d ago
Do people know what RPG is?
KainHighwind  +   397d ago
Let's see, a Final Fantasy with DMC gameplay? No thanks, I'll skip this one.
levian  +   397d ago
Just because a game is an action RPG, and not turn based, doesn't mean its NOT an RPG. Kingdom Hearts, Elder Scrolls, Dragon's Dogma, all great action RPG's.

Don't most of us end up running from 90% of battles just over halfway through a game because they've become tedious? Personally I haven't liked any combat system since FF9 and FF12. FF10 and 13/13-2 had terrible combat in my eyes. Kingdom Hearts games have been great, and I for one am looking forward to this more than any other Square Enix title in a long time.
VileAndVicious  +   397d ago
You forgot to add deus ex, demon souls, mass effect, Diablo, the tales series(for the most part) and the witcher. All great game series and great RPGs.

I for one can't wait for FFXV (been waiting for a long long time) but to think the game will be any less of an RPG or less of a FF game because its an ARPG sounds a bit ridiclous. Sure it might not be "traditional" but I have the feeling the game will be EPIC. God knows they've spent enough time on it lol.
rhap  +   397d ago
Final Fantasy franchise is pretty much dead for me. I understand how some people like the way it's handled now, after all, God of War sells like hell.

In my honest opinion, anyone interested in playing JRPGs should just forget about SE and follow NIS, Tri-Ace, CH, IP, Gungho, XSeeD, etc. There are many japanese developers who still follow the basics of what it takes to make a JRPG in their games, unlike SE, who's aiming for a broader audience with lots of people who just want to sit on their couch and press buttons and watch some pretty cut scenes. I'll be surprised if FFXV takes more than 12 hours to be finished. Well, maybe it might take 15 hours since they could just add 3 hours of cut scenes and dialogues.
arronax-1  +   397d ago
So long if it's keeping my interest (and it is), then I couldn't careless about the pokemon-based... oh sorry, Turn-based stuff. Besides, they already stated that it was going to be similar to kingdom hearts-like gameplay since the beginning.
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