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Cerny: PS4's 'time-to-triangle' to rival PS1

The tech housed inside the PS4 makes it as easy to swiftly bring games to the system as it was to do so for the original PlayStation, according to the PS4 Lead Architect Mark Cerny. Speaking at Spain's GameLab conference this week, Cerny explained how he took Nolan Bushnell's mantra of good games being easy to learn but difficult to master, and applied it to developing the PS4's technology.

"My variation on this was that the hardware should have a familiar architecture and be easy to develop for in the early days of the console life cycle," Cerny said, "But that also there needed to be a rich feature set which the game creators could explore for years.

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dedicatedtogamers1128d ago (Edited 1128d ago )

I watched this conference yesterday.

This is very, very, very good news. In practical terms, it means that the days of "PS3 is too hard to develop for" are officially over.

When devs like Cerny and the Guerrilla devs say stuff like "developing for PS4 cut a year off the total development time", it really is true based on what Cerny is saying. The faster you can get a working graphical skeleton (that is essentially what "time to triangle" means), the faster you can go into production, and that increase in development pace goes up exponentially as development goes on.

iron_spider1128d ago SpamShowReplies(19)
TheTwelve1128d ago

Dang. The PS3's "time to triangle" was up to a year. And it came out a year later than the 360.

(Still beat the 360 out in sales...it's baffling, really.)

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Sono4211128d ago

OMG now we can get 2 Call of Dutys a year!!!! YES!! :D

I keed I keed ^_^

yewles11128d ago

That's actually more true than you can ever imagine...

miyamoto1128d ago (Edited 1128d ago )

I enjoyed every second of Mark's presentation.
Wow!
Everything is is falling into place.
There is no stopping this train of perfection!
Nothing can prepare anyone for the arrival of the PlaySavior 4.

Its like Mark is amassing this Genki Dama of positive energy ready to dissolve all the bad and wrong (bad-ong) that exist in the gaming industry and give it a long time of peace, positivity, progress, and prosperity.

Clearly the PS4 is designed to solve tons of problems with in the gaming industry and provide the much needed solutions for game makers. PS4 is designed to make game development a level playing field for small and big developers and publishers.

And that means more awesome games from the east and the west.

Fantastic!

You are Playing With the Gods
You Are Not Ready

hellzsupernova1128d ago

The indie dev behind warframe took that pc build and ported it to ps4 in three months and that's an indie dev! Playstation 4 is going to be the second coming of consoles

nosferatuzodd1127d ago (Edited 1127d ago )

this guy is really smart that's what i like about him good job Sony this is the right man for the ps4 project

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majiebeast1128d ago (Edited 1128d ago )

He talks about time to triangle at the 41 minute mark.

Time to triangle means the time it takes to get a games graphics engine to work on PS4.

Also Yosp is even more awesome then he is now with his masterplan.

s8anicslayer1128d ago

Hard to develop for means just that, you have to work hard and not be lazy to get the job done! Hard does not mean impossible!

KwietStorm1128d ago

Alternatively, hard to develop for means unconventional and unnecessarily complex.

s8anicslayer1128d ago

If you would've commented with a full description of what "Hard to develop for" meant we wouldn't be having this issue of what you had a biased understanding of complexity.

sAVAge_bEaST1128d ago

You never want to restrict creative flow.

iceman061127d ago

@KwietStorm....it was admitted many times that it was unconventional, but unnecessarily complex? Compared to? Sony always strives to get the most out of their chip design. It WAS complex. But, Sony felt that it was indeed necessary to design the type of games that they saw for the future. It's hard to argue with the future argument seeing the kinds of games that are being released at the end of it's life cycle. Sure, it put developers behind the 8-ball in the beginning. But, once they began to learn and SHARE the tricks of the trade...we were able to see some pretty great things.

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ThatCanadianGuy5141128d ago (Edited 1128d ago )

Gotta love cerny, man.I wish someone from MS would just come out and explain their tech.So much vague phrasing and word mincing.Cerny came out and gave a deep, detailed and close look at PS4 specs back in febuary and again just the other day.

No BS with him.It's all out in the open for anyone to see.But MS is just constant confusion and PR fluff.5 billion transistors? Cloud magic and esram theoretical peaks as standard output now? really MS?

Their lack of honesty will be their downfall this gen.Gamers aren't as stupid as they think.

dedicatedtogamers1128d ago (Edited 1128d ago )

Microsoft isn't explaining their tech because they know that the X1 is completely inferior. Back in 2005, MS was more than happy to go into pages upon pages of explicit detail regarding the 360's hardware design and how they believed it would be superior to PS3

Source: http://majornelson.com/2005...

And yet with the X1, they use fluffy non-info like "5 kajillion transitors" and "power of the cloud" and "300,000 servers" to explain why - inexplicably - the X1 is a powerhouse. That should prove to any casual observer that even Microsoft knows X1 is weaker.

EDIT @ below

Specs are just numbers, but specs are also real. You can't run GTA5 on the Super Nintendo, even though "specs are just numbers on a piece of paper", true?

As such, it would be best to look at these two companies' history. Between MS and Sony, who is known for first-party support? Who is known for long-term console support? Who is known for pushing hardware? Who is known for having the best-looking games between the PS3 and 360?

And as a car guy, I find your example of Lambo vs Ferrari laughable, because you CAN draw conclusions when comparing specs. When various car magazines compare specs on new/upcoming cars, they also compare very practical statistics like real-world times (0 to 30, 0 to 60, etc), they count 1/4 mile and 1/2 mile times down to the 100th of a second, they track G-forces around curves, they track horsepower as well as torque.

To say that specs don't matter is beyond silly. To say games matter is even sillier when the company who is saying it has the worst track-record of game support out of the Big Three.

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Destrania1128d ago

Considering you haven't seen games running on an actual Xbone, and only on a far more powerful PC (look it up), you can't say anything about how they look. Don't expect games running on the actual X1 hardware to even come close to (almost) all that pre-rendered and PC ran stuff they showed at E3. M$=BS, end of story. Inferior hardware for an inflated price.

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nycgamer4ever1128d ago

@iron spider

Please just stop with the spinner and defending already. The hardware is inferior period. If it wasn't you can bet your ass MS would be out in force touting every spec they have. Now on to the games. The last gen and the one before shows a pattern of which company has more of an inclination and willingness to continue pumping out games throughout the lifetime of a console, amd it certainly isnt MS. I mean seriously what big game are people playing on the 360 right now. What exclusives came out this and last year?

360 and MS have a lot of pluses. They advertise great, they leverage there presence in usa great but only the biggest defenders would say they are better at games than Sony.

And they have a long and checkered past when it cpmes to shady business practice that includes misrepresenting their products, lying, bullying, and the works.

I'm not saying they need to gtfo of the business, nor do I want them to cause competition is necessary but please stop defending everything they do.

The writing is so clear on the wall with all that has been going on in the last several months and couple of years that you would have to either be blind or a devout fanboy to not see it.

I get that all companies need to make money and they don't love us but there are different ways to earn the consumer's money. A right way and a wrong way. I happen to think MS is doing it wrong.

I urge you and all the other defenders should just stop. You are not going to change anyone's mind. If you guys can see no wrong in the way MS is going about their business then more power to you. Buy the console of your choice and just enjoy your hobby. I for one know won't be touching that One with a ten foot pole.

miyamoto1128d ago

Historically hardware companies that say specs don't matter usually end up having their console not so dominating.

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PSjesus1128d ago

It's sad but the truth is MS consider gaming industry as pure business and never dedicated to support hardcore gamers.When Conan O'Brien asked M.Nelson what will make me buy your console over PS or Wiiu he answered immediately Kinect

nosferatuzodd1127d ago (Edited 1127d ago )

indeed they are not showing their spec its the same thing with the smart glass they didn't show how much hardware sold because they was ashamed Google and apple would laugh at them typical Microsoft they denied the whole red ring fiasco i just don't know how ppl can trust a company like this

Blankolf1128d ago

@Dayz and @dedicatedtogamers I couldn't agree more, Sony's has an excelent path since the reveal, almost as if they learnt with their mistakes, yet Microsoft seems they have taken a more 'cocky' position and neglected most of their fanbase.

We can see that with Sony's Cerny, explaining everything, being completelly open, I feel like I am being treated as the main target here and it is quite the transparent powerful machine.

With Xbox1 e see this is made of rocket science stuff, i feel like I am being treated as an ignorant <.<

Nineball21121128d ago

This is actually pretty interesting stuff...

Garrison1128d ago

It's great to see this type of presentations. It gives people who are genuinely interested on "how" our favorite hobby comes to life that sneak peek we crave.

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