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Xbox One exec says Sony PS4 tech specs are "meaningless", games more important

OXM: Xbox product planning boss Albert Penello has downplayed technical comparisons between Xbox One and PS4, saying that hardware analysis is "meaningless" when "our games and experiences are going to be every bit as good as, if not better" than those you'll find on competing consoles. (Microsoft, PS4, Xbox One)

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dirigiblebill   459d ago | Off topic | show | Replies(25)
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ThatCanadianGuy514  +   459d ago | Well said
How convenient that specs don't matter when your consoles specs are inferior.

And please microsoft, don't try to talk to me about games like you've been giving me GOTY winners for years straight.
moparful99  +   459d ago | Well said
Lol it's ironic how games are suddenly important now that they have an expensive new console to support.. Think about it, we know they have been working on the ONE since 2010. Isn't that roughly the same time that the 360 exclusive train began to derail?? Meanwhile I'm playing one of the best games I have ever honestly played in The Last of US.....
sAVAge_bEaST  +   459d ago | Well said
Exactly,, no support, no support, now GAMES. -fake as hell people at M$... Put up or shut up, like L.o.U.
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JC_Denton  +   459d ago
B-but, PS3 had no gaems
snipab8t   459d ago | Trolling | show
BABYLEG  +   459d ago
@snip

keep talking like that and you'll lose bubble.

Sony makes a system that is strong. Like the ps3 was before it.

Microsoft makes a system that's capable of running any game without breakdown.

this Gen will be the same. Sony brags about the strength of their system while games will be superior on Xbox like they were this Gen. Think about this, MS will most likely win north America, which means that any big budget game or games with meaning will be made on the Xbox. Sony can have those boring exclusives they like to deliver. Their games do nothing for me. Only games I like from sonys studios are god of war and infamous. God of war hasn't been entertaining since 2. Ascension and 3 was slow paced and dragging because they love Dem graphics so much they sacrificed anything else
ThatCanadianGuy514  +   459d ago | Well said
"Microsoft makes a system that's capable of running any game without breakdown."
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=RROD+

Xbox fans.They never cease to amaze me.
Pumbli  +   459d ago | Well said
snipab8t - Well, before 2010 that "shithouse" was the sole way to play games like Metal Gear Solid 4, LittleBigPlanet, Uncharted 1 and 2, Killzone 2, Infamous, etc. etc.

Resistance was a decent launch title, you calling it 'shit' doesn't change that.
trouble_bubble  +   459d ago | Well said
@snipab8t
Lmao, between albert penello, don mattrick, major "no switch" nelson and fan comments like this, it truly is the blind leading the blond in ms country these days.

Fyi mgs4, infamous, littlebigplanet, heavy rain, gow3, uncharted1+2, heavenly sword, ratchet n clank future, valkyria chronicles, demons souls, gt5, motorstorm, killzone2, resistance1+2, warhawk etc all came out 2010 or earlier. All successes.

You namedrop forza4 and halo4 in your 2010 benchmark spiel yet fail to realise those games came out in 2011 and 2012. I don't even...
tristanwerbe  +   459d ago
I don't consider a lot of the games like the Last of Us games there cinematic experiences but there good just I honestly don't think the games like The Walking Dead, Heavy Rain, Uncharted are games
Ezz2013  +   459d ago | Intelligent
let's destroy MS claim once and for all:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Gam...

********"So this article at the top of /r/games sounds pretty rosy. They're claiming the esram on the XBO can actually push 192.0 GB/s. That sounds really great...

Except if we read the actual statement, it is this.

However, with near-final production silicon, Microsoft techs have found that the hardware is capable of reading and writing simultaneously. Apparently, there are spare processing cycle "holes" that can be utilised for additional operations.

No, they didn't wake up one morning and realize there was an extra data line in their memory module, so lets drill down to what that actually means.

Apparently, there are spare processing cycle "holes" that can be utilised for additional operations.

In other words, no, it isn't capable of bidirectional data transfer. Their trying to push through a few extra memory operations, but the it's still strictly read or write.
Now, look at the actual numbers. I have to give credit to R_K_M and Boreras for pointing this out. I'm just aggregating, so I'm going to direct quote.

If I am not mistaken, that just means that they lowered the clock from 800 to 750 and are using the bi-directonal bandwith number for marketing when everyone else is using the bandwith number in one direction. - R_K_M

you're right the numbers do match up perfectly for that (750 (GPU clock) * 128 (bus width)*2(read&write during same cycle) = 192.0 GB/s --- if it were 800 MHz you would get 204.8 GB/s) - Boreras

So we can basically confirm that cboat was correct. The numbers tell the truth. The esram has been downclocked, and Microsoft's PR department is trying to spin it as an increase in total bandwidth based on some cycle tricks that are probably being exaggerated."*********

keep the DC going MS ...keep it going
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Varodor  +   459d ago
“The problem is that Sony decided to go out and publish a bunch of numbers, which are in some ways meaningless”

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cyberninja  +   459d ago
The Last Of Us is hands down the best game I've ever played.
Ol_G  +   459d ago
@snipab8t wow true fanboy comment xbox is always better except in real life stop spacing
awi5951  +   458d ago
@Pumbli

The problem is at that point Microsoft had like what 20 games that had sold over 2 million copies and ps3 had nothing like that in sales. The 360 games actually sold and people bought them not just trolled on forums all day.
morganfell  +   458d ago
Specs aren't meaningless and attempts to slip by the public won't work:

https://twitter.com/digital...

The sources DF had for the previous article were simply MS PR.
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miyamoto  +   459d ago
I know when a dog is tucking its tail between his legs in fear ....they talk that specs don't matter, right Nintendogs?
MoveTheGlow  +   459d ago
Right! If Microsoft developed one decent game I actually enjoyed, maybe I'd take that comment from them seriously. Oh, specs don't matter at all, because we have a Roman game which ran out of ideas, made another awful Normandy scene, and added QTE's when Kinect didn't work! It's a bloody exclusive! Also, if you weren't tired of Call of Duty, we have Call of Duty With Some Robots and no single-player! Games, man!

Seriously, only Nintendo earned the right to say specs don't matter, as they've outclassed the Xbone games with the past half-year of 3DS games. And even they're in the crapper because of the WiiUShouldRenameThisThing.

Meanwhile, Sony just brings out Cerny, asks him to talk, and they outclass everyone immediately. Because there's a smart person behind that system. I wish MS knew who their smart people were, because none have spoken up in years.
tigertom53  +   459d ago
maybe the custom GPU that has DirectX 11.2 will make that system have advantages over Sony or make games look very much the same time will tell
blanket14  +   459d ago
open gl is just as efficient they both get many updates as time goes on. plus ps4 has 2gig video ram x1 has 1 so do the math pal....
tigertom53  +   459d ago
software will work but not as effective as hardware. the video talked about. only difference between ps4 and X1 would be ps4 has GDDR5 vs X1 DDDR3. with a custom GPU that would support and enhance the DirectX 11.2...
tigertom53  +   459d ago
Microsoft has confirmed that DirectX 11.2, the next-generation version of its application programming interface (API) and hardware abstraction layer (HAL) for multimedia devices will be exclusive to Windows 8.1 and its Xbox One console. word is hardware and devices that support...
jmac53  +   459d ago | Well said
People on here really need to look at what the specs really mean. The Xbox has 12 CUs compared to 18 CUs in the PS4 on the GPU. This is combined with a unified pool of RAM its undeniable that the PS4 will perform better and is easier to develop for. All the mumbo jumbo about the cloud is marketing speak that fanboys have been eagerly spoon fed. It comes down to the games and how well they are optimized and at this point the PS4 has the lead.
awi5951  +   458d ago
@blanket14

Hes talking about effects because crysis 1 looked way better on vista than it did on XP when they did this crap before. But thanks to some hackers they found a fix that forced most of the direct x10 effects onto XP but some effects like the improved water and lighting didnt look up to par to the vista version.
CapraDemon  +   459d ago
Well said have a bubble
Mr Tretton  +   459d ago
"PS3 was shithouse until about 2010. It had pretty much no noteworthy games at all. Just crappy exclusives like HAZE and Resistance."

That's complete BS and you know it.
MoveTheGlow  +   459d ago
Eh, most of the games I've really loved and kept around for the system are past 2010, but the PSN games from earlier were great! I mean, they launched with Everyday Shooter, I still love to play that!

But late 2009 was when they started blasting the competition. Uncharted 2 and Demon's Souls in the same holiday season...it was awesome to behold!
Picnic  +   458d ago
Actually I'd say it's about correct.

For, it was only the launch of Uncharted 2 in late 2009 that started to see the PS3 in a new light. I mean, Little Big Planet's nice as an art statement but it's not everyone cup of tea as a game. And the FPS games that weren't Sony exclusives tended to be no better than the Xbox360 ones.

Sony exclusive indies like The Unfinished Swan and Papo and Yo only came out in 2012.

Still, for about half its life the PS3 was the cool one to own. But not the first half massively.
awi5951  +   458d ago
No hes right Ps2 and i had both didnt have as many hits or exclusives as microsoft those first 2 years it was bad. All games media was ridding sony hard about a 600 dollar console with nothing to play on it. They had resistance and like rachet and clank i think. Xbox first 2 years these are the games i had just my self.

Dead rising

Elders scrolls oblivion

Bioshock

Ghost recon advanced warfighter 1 xbox only

Project Gotham racing xbox only

Burnout revenge

Battlefield modern combat pretty good game for MP

Call of duty 2 console exclusive

Condemned criminal origins great horror game xbox only.

Perfect dark / yeah but the multiplayer was fun at the time.

Kameo was a great kids game i played it like mad.

NBA 2k6 was just a great game.

Amped 3 was a great funny snowboard game that needs to come back xbox exclusive

Geometry wars 1 best xbox arcade game of all time.

These mostly year one games that i bought i have no idea what came out year 2.
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awi5951  +   458d ago
The games below are just the games i know of in the first year the xbox had lots of games first year. You guys are just fooling yourselves. The 360 had one of the best year of games of all time and they sold millions of copies. And thats why 3rd parties was flocking to xbox.
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awi5951  +   458d ago
Complete first year of games for xbox 360

Dead rising

Elders scrolls oblivion

Ghost recon advanced warfighter 1 xbox only

Project Gotham racing xbox only

Burnout revenge

Battlefield modern combat pretty good game for MP

Call of duty 2 console exclusive

Condemned criminal origins great horror game xbox only.

Perfect dark / yeah but the multiplayer was fun at the time.

Kameo was a great kids game i played it like mad.

NBA 2k6 was just a great game.

Amped 3 was a great funny snowboard game that needs to come back xbox exclusive

Geometry wars 1 best xbox arcade game of all time.

forza 2

Lost planet

gears of war

Hitman blood money

Test drive

Over lord

Just cause

Blue dragon

Mass effect

Too human

99 knights

Crack down

Stranglehold

Rockstar table tenis

Chrome hounds that game kicked but online reminded me of old mechwarriors days.

Siants row

Rainbow 6 vegas

Splintercell double agent

Fear

Viva pinata

Fight night 3

Lego star wars

Tony hawk project 8
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ThatCanadianGuy514  +   459d ago | Well said
Resistance, Motorstorm, Folklore, Uncharted all came in 2007.Was an amazing year.

2008 absolutely killed it with MGS4 AND LBP.GOTY awards were flying at PS3's left and right.

2008 was when the dominance started and never stopped.Don't know what the heck you're actually talking about man.
Picnic  +   458d ago
Yes but none of those nailed it as maintstream games in the way that later games did. Resistance was more or less a grey shooter. Motorstorm was brown mud tracks. Folklore was a PS2 style game in terms of concept. Uncharted Drake's Fortune had some great moments later on but many of them even now go unspoken of like the lovely M Escher painting inspired puzzle level - all that stood to many seems to have been 'too many waves of enemies'.
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ThatCanadianGuy514  +   458d ago
With the exception of folklore they all sold millions and made numerous sequels.

What are you talking about?
timl241  +   459d ago
Seriously, this website needs to be renamed sonyfanboys.com

Specs do not and will not matter this generation. Is it true the PS4 is more powerful in terms of graphics? Yes, but with Cloud it won't be as much of a difference as people think. Besides, GDDR5 RAM is very powerful, but it is also slow. GDDR3 may not be as crisp but it will still be very good graphic wise and a lot quicker. All of the other specs are essentially the same.

So he's right, specs do not matter anymore. It's just like the iPhone and Galaxy S4. The S4 crushes the specs of the iPhone 5, but people still love the 5 because of the way it's optimized. Same thing here.
cyclindk  +   459d ago
Gddr5 = slow

You = slow
Sy_Wolf  +   459d ago
@timl241 You can't do anything cool with offsite servers because of how slow the internet is. Even with a 1Gb/s fiber connection it would be too slow to do anything. Consoles move hundreds of gigabytes a second around. GDDR5 RAM isn't slow at all, that's what makes it good. "Powerful" isn't really a term used to describe RAM... like ever. With the phone comparison you're looking at it wrong. Both the PS4 and Xbox One are like the iPhone, static hardware with a heavily optimized operating system. So since the PS4 has superior hardware with a smaller RAM footprint the specifications actually translate to more power. On top of that, should bandwidth magically not be a huge limiting factor while these consoles are relevant Sony can do the exact same thing with Gaikai.
HeyYouGuyz  +   459d ago
Here's how powerful your cloud is.

The average US internet speed is 7.4 Megabit per second according to a 2013 survey. The speed of the GPUs in these consoles are measured in GigaBYTE per second. So convert 7.4 Mb to GB, and you get a whopping 0.0009033A GB/s added to the current speed of the Xbox One(Eighty)'s GPU.

Even if you had a 1 Gb/s internet connection, that's only .125 GB/s added to the GPU.

My God that's impressive...
andibandit  +   459d ago
@HeyYouGuyz

Im not a big believer in this Cloud tech, but your example is the worst example of all.

The following example is not a RL scenario, but it serves to prove my point:

Lets say i was to send you something to compute like this string

"find billionth decimal of PI"

Now that string is only 28 characters long, and is going to require very little bandwidth to send, but the actual calculation is going to take your Xbox/PS4/PC days, if not weeks or months to calculate.

What you are doing is purely looking at the speed at which traffic can flow back and forth, without looking at what kind of traffic it is.

Also "GB/s" is not a represention of "powerfulness"
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Funnymonkey013  +   459d ago
That's where u r wrong yo ps4 being more powerful means a better future 4 amazing games that can't be done on the shitty x1 look at ps3 and 360 games ps3 absolutely crushesd 360 games in terms of graphics gameplay al. And sounds like uncharted wich by the way easily is 100 times better then any 360 games to date. There also GOW killzone 2 & 3 heavy rain the last of us wich again is an amazing game that can only be done on ps3 so no ur wrong it's always good to have more power as it can make really amazing games plus what's sad is ps4 this time is far easer to develope then the stupid x1 I find it funny that a weaker system is harder to develop then the more powerful one. O and anything x1 has ps4 can do it better Xbox fanboy:)
Redempteur  +   458d ago
"Seriously, this website needs to be renamed sonyfanboys.com"

Really , so what do you want to say?

" Yes, but with Cloud it won't be as much of a difference as people think."

facepalm.jpeg

The cloud is a joke. The cloud is a service Microsoft want to force on you , but it won't matter in term of raw power. It was a decoy to present to everyone because they knew they couldn't be on par with the PS4.

If the cloud was working , we'd see some examples of it at E3...there was none of it. Heck all the Xbone one games were running on Pcs.

The cloud is a joke , it doesn't work as a helper for graphical power, anyone who believe otherwise is misinformed or a fanboy.
tigertom53  +   458d ago
something yes your not going to see cloud do graphics processing that is very silly... and of course you don't need a lot of bandwidth either. best way to look at it as a math problem of tons of number and all you need is the answer AI in game is a good example of that...
wastedcells  +   459d ago
They need to go silent. They just keep digging themselves deeper into this hole of non sense.
RedHawkX  +   459d ago
wheres the games for x360 because i havent seen any.

meaNwhile on ps3 god of war acsension, pupeteer, the last of us, beyond 2 souls, gt6, plus more and multiplats. anyone that agrees with ms right here better own a ps3 if not then shut up
showtimefolks  +   459d ago
Ok so where were the games for last 3 years on xbox360?

How many GOTY exclusives did you develop?

How many new IP's

MS wants us to buy their console now and in 3-4 years they will move on to entertainment and casuals again and forget about core base. Time to prove you can support your core fan base for an entire console

Also just because ps4 has better specs and is more powerful all of the sudden specs don't matter
UNGR  +   459d ago
Ironic that the PS2 was poop chute in terms of hardware in comparison to it's competition but has 50+ games on it that I've never stopped playing due to how good they are. The PS2 was proof that games are what matters, getting your balls in a knot because it's Microsoft is a little sad. I could smell the stupid fanboy remarks a before I got here. You should be happy Microsoft is putting a focus on games for a change, but leave it to a devote fanboy to never give credit where it's due.
T2  +   459d ago
Ya except they always seem to say whatever suits them best and rarely come through... I have no doubt ms will pump out games to lure gamers initially but Wat a kick in the sack to own a 360 right now .. Mines for netflix lol
moparful99  +   459d ago
@joecanada Netflix on the PS3, is better not only do you not have to have a SUB to PSN to use Netflix but it seems to load and run better on the PS3.. I have both consoles and I don't use Netflix on my 360 hardly at all.. Only reason I have a 360 right now is Minecraft...
Funnymonkey013  +   458d ago
Lol yeah 4 now but how many years u thing they going to keep making new ips every year I'm guessing 2 years max and that's it. I can tell u u well be seeing many halo gears of war and forza games in its life time while Sony the king in gaming keeps making new fresh ips every few years heck they have like 25 more games they haven't shown on e3 more then 15. And I can say that some of the games that r only on x1 well come to ps4 if not better like DR3 and the that mecha FPS game to to ps4.
BallsEye  +   459d ago
he has a point. People like you see some numbers and automatically assume they know everything. Architecture and software matters more than you think. XO was build for DX 11.2 and when DX 11.2 , with move engines, esram and hypervisor, can render a scene using 16MB ram when normally it would use 3 GB of ram then YES specs are meaningless. Please research, you're making gaming community look stupid.
Epic_Troy  +   458d ago
Inferior in what way? ????? They got the same chipset you playstation fanboys are the worst no wonder no one likes u guys
Funnymonkey013  +   458d ago
Moron it's not talking about the chipset really how about reading y the ps4 is 50% more powerful then x1 o and just to tell u Xbox r the ones that r the lamest cause all I hear is halo gow forza when it comes to games and really live is a ripoff cause its not any better then PS plus hell pluse beats live by far with free full awesome games avatars and huge savings on games dlc avatars and more so yeah PS beats shitty Xbox.
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Syntax-Error  +   458d ago
All you people are the minority
When they are released we will see you dominates the market. Until then all fanboys need to STFU. PS fanboys were spouting the same crap back in 2006 and their ass got handed to them, so lets not get ahead of ourselves. If you compare the N4G community to the rest of the world, your opinions in these forums mean squat. Your sales don't matter just like your support for PS Exclusives. No matter how many of you go out and buy them, a large percentage of them always come up below average on sales.
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SIX  +   458d ago
I know right? So I guess this is confirmation that The One isn't as powerful as the PS4.
ZombieKiller  +   458d ago
Xbox One exec says "meaningless", games more important

fixed.
Mithan  +   458d ago
The Xbox360 was inferior to the PS3.

Did it make a difference?

Why are people like you so stupid?
MrSwankSinatra  +   459d ago | Well said
LOL i find that highly ironic coming from microsoft.
Cueil  +   459d ago
if they back this up with games that's all the matters yo
MrSwankSinatra  +   459d ago
dude microsoft is the same company blatantly said they don't care about exclusives. every year at E3 fans were asking for GAMES GAMES GAMES but they never did. they'd show like one big exclusive, bunch third party stuff, casual crap and timed DLC every year . but now the tables have turned sony has the upper hand and now microsoft is trying to appeal to the hardcore gamer that they shunned. whats to stop them from doing the exact same thing from this gen if they get the gamers back. have a bunch of exclusives at beginning and and then just piggyback on third party the rest of the gen. screw that i'm not falling for micosofts bullcrap tactics.
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Themba76  +   459d ago
like sony won't lets not forget this years goty The Last of Us. you know made by Naughty Dog. that studio has more talent on it's pinky than all of M$ studios combined. and btw Halo sux now.
mxrider2199  +   459d ago
@themba ya halo started to fall off during halo 3 let alone during odst (worst fucking game ever besides the horde mode they copied) reach(beta was fucking awesome actual game blew balls) halo 4(first week i could like this, nvm this game is almost as bad as reach) and now there is going to be a 5th one pls id have more fun playing halo wars than the campaign let alone multiplayer on the 5th one
Knushwood Butt  +   459d ago
Considering they've already abandoned the 360, I sincerely hope they do back this up with games.
Hercules189  +   459d ago
@mxrider2199 u do realize bungie created that mode in marathon, just so u know. and the worst halo game is way better than the best killzone game, just bcus u disagree doesnt mean its not true, numbers are truth and killzone doesnt have anyone online
T2  +   459d ago
@Hercules - nope I just played kz3 last night could play any map full ... Just admit you never even tried it. And he had a point , halo has gotten stale and also worse
BuLLDoG909  +   459d ago
Powah of the cLouD! and 50 million transistors ;]
GenericNameHere  +   459d ago
Haha yeah. Sony just released The Last of Us. They still have 3 more PS3 exclusives before the PS4 comes out: Rain, The Puppeteer, and Beyond: Two Souls.

Where are the Xbox 360 exclusives?? No more? I guess Microsoft already abandoned the X360, just like they did the original Xbox.
Even Nintendo's doing the same. They've already abandoned the Wii.

Microsoft and Nintendo will always abandon their old consoles. Sony, however, you can trust on for continued support even after their new console is out. And Sony will definitely not be short on awesome games, as evident for the last 3 generations.
Narutone66  +   459d ago
Don't forget GT6, which is also on the PS3.
RavageX  +   458d ago
Now that I think about it, what was the last Xbox exclusive released?
Hellsvacancy  +   459d ago
Do you think Sony doesnt already know that, dumbasses
rigbybot127  +   459d ago
Well, I could have told you that.
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KionicWarlord222  +   459d ago
"our games and experiences are going to be every bit as good as, if not better" than those you'll find on competing consoles."

Dem fighting words.
Minato-Namikaze  +   459d ago
MS is obviously punch drunk from all dem games sony has being hitting them with for the last 3 or 4 years.
RedHawkX  +   459d ago
thems lies because not only is sony exclusives the best but sony has more of them in different genres.

uncharted 2 -tps 96 metatric
god of war 3 - action fighting- 92 metacritic
lbp- platformer 94 metacritic
the last of us - 95 metacritic
killzone 2- fps 92 metacritic
demon souls
ratchet and clank
infamous
sly cooper etc
all ddifferenet generees all highly rated and thats just the tip of the ice berg. xbox fanboys cant say a dang thing about games unless they own a ps3
Ashlen  +   459d ago
I agree, that's why i'm getting a PS4. I trust Sony will come out with more new IP's and variety.

I only have to look at the last 3 to 4 years to see who created more exclusive games and new IP's and who has more variety.

Even now Sony is bringing out extremely high quality games for PS3. Ni No Kuni, Last Of Us, Gran Turismo 6, Beyond: Two Souls all different genre's.

And there are at least 15 other exclusive games before the end of the year.
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2cents  +   459d ago
I'd say that MS should be thanked by you then, not hated. The only reason Sony is pushing so hard is because of the Xbox brand. They are doing everything in their power to be outgoing, communicative and focused, solely because Xbox has been 'competition' to them for the hardcore gamer.

We are all benefiting from both players being in the game, they are driving and pushing eachother so that we get choice, variety, entertainment and joy from our games consoles.

You can love Playstation, you can love Xbox. Just tolerate one to benefit the other.
Aceman18  +   459d ago
You do know that even if PS3 sold 50 million units they'd still be releasing new IPs in various genres?
2cents  +   459d ago
Of course, I love playstation... Since PS1.
No concerns or doubts when it comes to team Sony.
Its MS I'm more than a little worried about, you see, I love Xbox aswell. The last thing I want is to jump through hoops I don't want to, and it mostly thanks to Sony and the community that MS has actually stopped the snowball and start to consider that the gamers should always come first when it comes to the Xbox brand. Keep us happy first THEN do your livingroom domination thing later.

I just want to enjoy my gaming on both consoles. I have no real desire for one to succeed and another to fail, there is space in my livingroom for both, as many others I'm sure.
Aceman18  +   459d ago
@2cents

I hear that back when the original Xbox released it had many great games, the same for the first few yrs on the 360, but MS seems to have forgotten what we gamers really wanted.

I wish they'd stop relying on the same core franchises and branch out with some new IPs which Quantum Break looks great.

Personally I'm going to wait a few years and wait to see if MS can show me they've have gamers best interest at heart before I purchase the console.

Right now I can't forget what they tried to pull on the consumers.
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2cents  +   459d ago
It is a shame, I felt the dip especially after the launch of kinect v1. It did seem as if the public address shifted to casual and family.

E3 was good in terms of games, the console seems to be a love or hate thing.
There are 35+ exclusives across both platforms in one year, that's allotta games!

Ignoring all of the surrounding PR circus and Internet rage for a second, the next year from this November is going to be an exciting time for gamers.

Edit: fixed typo
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shadyiswin  +   459d ago
wow what a brilliant comment and 12 disagrees and 0 agrees,it's people on this site who discredit it from being a legit site like gamespot or ign.com,i come here just to see how they put twist on anything microsoft does.

DRM? he i cant trade my games in (actually you could),

they reverse DRM,microsoft has no back bone they are cowards.

2 free games with xbox live ,microsoft is copying sony but with worst games,so far all 3 games are rated atleast a 8/10 , and also you keep the games whether you have xbox live gold or not unlike playstation plus.

We are more focused on games not specs,lets not forget,ryse was the best looking game at e3,lets not kid ourselves,with the second best looking game going to battlefield 4 ,which was a live demo on xbox one,so lets now criticize microsoft for caring about game play over specs.

Microsoft is also showing heavy support for first party and exclusives and exclusive content,ryse,quantum break and sunset overdrive look great,i cant beleive actually give a sh*t about hack,it's nothing but a tech demo,the crew outshines drive club,i don't see anything worth buying on ps4 where as id get an xbox one just to be able to skype while i watched tv or a movie. Most people will get one or 2 games,then what,well then you can spend hours like i do now on the dashboard with tons of crap to do,super excited for how this war will play out.

This guy is right,Sony got there ass kicked,lost market share over night,the ps1 and 2 was no match for anything but the ps3 grounded sony,they were so cocky with thee $599 console,there shi**y cell processor,the fact xbox is the number one console for the 29th consecutive month as of may(in the USA) and im pretty sure that will continue in june even thought idk who doesnt have an xbox already it speaks volumes and it is why sony is pulling out all stops,but in reality they arent,cheaper console cause it offer no motion support,no good launch games and ps plus now cost money,how sony is getting all this good press is beside me,we will see come launch and 6 months later what console is performing well.
trouble_bubble  +   459d ago
"..and ps plus now cost money"

Oh lord. Ps plus has -always- cost money. Seriously, just quit while you're behind. The PR disaster that was june 2013 is almost over. Don't keep adding to it with comments like these. It aint helpin', lol
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moparful99  +   459d ago
@Shadyiswin

"We are more focused on games not specs,lets not forget,ryse was the best looking game at e3,lets not kid ourselves,with the second best looking game going to battlefield 4 ,which was a live demo on xbox one,so lets now criticize microsoft for caring about game play over specs"

First of all every single game that Sony showed off for the PS4 was a Launch or Launch Window game.. In fact the only title slated for 2014 was Infamous but that comes out in April. They have already confirmed they have 30 games to announce that release within a year of the launch of the PS4.. Sony is not concerned with Microsoft's sudden feigned interest in core games..

Secondly it was revealed post E3 that not a single XBONE game was running on an actual XBONE instead they were all running on modified pc's. Also RYSE hasn't received any nomination what so ever for Game of the Show, No best Graphics, Not even best game for XBONE.. Every body was swooning over TitanFall which is a third party TIMED exclusive.. WE all know that it will make its way to the PS4 once Microsoft's contract with Respawn expires...

I didn't even bother to finish reading the rest of your long winded statement considering the amount of fallacies and inaccuracies in the one paragraph I did read...
FightFans  +   459d ago
Didn't MS said TV and movies are more important? they even have their own conference about it. MS flip flop more than a politicians.
AllroundGamer  +   459d ago
you mean the bought DLC exclusives right MS?...
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CrossingEden  +   459d ago
"OMGERRD, microsoft, you bought dlc exclusives, no other company does that, especially not Sony, who is getting exclusive DLC for Watch Dogs and AC4, ubisoft just loves them more then you"
I get the feeling this is how deluded you fee; -_-
solidjun5  +   459d ago
"I get the feeling this is how deluded you fee; -_- "

oh the irony.
extermin8or  +   459d ago
Hmm at least that dlc is free to all ps4/ps3 users that get the game-whereas on Xbox you have to pay for the dlc and its usually only timed... The watch dogs and Ac4 content is more exclusive content day 1 than conventional dlc.
AllroundGamer  +   459d ago
lol you xbox guys didn't get it :D i meant the timed exclusives ofcoz, you know like COD which is a DLC by itself...
claudionmc  +   459d ago
so much win
Puppy_Farts  +   459d ago
Games are important....for the first year, right? Like, STFU.
T2  +   459d ago
I know right it concerns me to think of buying an xbone and having an 8 year lifespan turn into 4 with decent games
moscardini7  +   459d ago
Funny because look at ps3 and 360 now , games important right? , what hap. To 360 games long time don't see nothing interesting, ps3 still going strong ,
Why o why  +   459d ago
There's the check mate right there.......undeniable, painful truth. The biggest gaming white elephant 'some' people love to ignore. MS can tell me about games when they prove they've the stamina to last a whole gen, not just the early years..

It seems ms have conceded the tech battle too. Doesn't mean they can't compete but trying to fight in the games arena is reckless as that games arena is sony's home turf........the ps3 is still there curb stomping as we speak....

Ms = perfect storms

Sony = perfect seasons
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extermin8or  +   459d ago
Sony will likely take a year or two for the big guns to cone out like tlou naughty dog teams next game.. Etc because some Deva are still working on ps4 but as next gen should be easier to develop for games should be able to release faster. And by god when Sony's big guns come out 1st party exclusive whose from what I've seen lately I hope MS have a nuclear Bunker to hide in because they might well need it...
orakle44  +   459d ago
Oh Microsoft, go home your drunk again.
GT67  +   459d ago
They have not been sober since XP software.
greedybear88  +   457d ago
I think M$ need to go to rehab
SeraphimBlade  +   459d ago
Exactly! That's why I'd rather get PS4.
wishingW3L  +   459d ago
yeah. You know Naughty Dog will blow any dev away just like they did with Uncharted 2 and then with The Last of Us again. ;)
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Imalwaysright  +   459d ago
I doubt they'll blow kojima or Team Ico but the rest? Damn straight!
TronEOL  +   459d ago
@Imalwaysright

I don't mean to insult either of those two amazing developers, but you do know even Kojima met up with the guys at Naughty Dog when he was blown away by Last of Us right? And as for Team ICO, they haven't made a game since SotC.

So, I'd say Naughty Dog pretty much set the bar in the gaming industry for overall game quality.
jetlian  +   459d ago
ND needs to get the shooting straight in their games first. Every UC feels off. MGS5 looks badass
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Imalwaysright  +   459d ago
So? Kojima made one of the most revolutionary and influential games in the industry! Remember MGS? That was the 1st game to have cinematic feel and Naughty Dog are just one of countless other devs that were/are inspired by Kojima legacy in this industry. Imagine if Kojima manages to have MGS4 gameplay combined with MGS3 level of detail (still unmatched to this very day in that department) and create characters as charismatic as The Boss and Ocelot in MGS5. I start drooling just thinking about it.

As for Team Ico only the people that played Ico and especially SoTC will understand what I'm saying. Neither Uncharted 2 or TLoU blow SoTC out of the water, a PS2 game. Naughty Dog are great devs but they're not the best in the Industry, they're one of the best.
gaelic_laoch  +   459d ago
If its just about the games then I may as well just get a WiiU instead of an XBone!
snipab8t  +   459d ago
Wii U has neither good games nor good hardware.
Z501  +   459d ago
So Microsoft. Where are your XBOX 360 2013 AAA GAME(S) at??? ... if games are more important. STFU!
JeffGUNZ  +   459d ago
Did you read the article? It is clearly addressing next generation consoles, not this gen.
SpinalRemains138  +   459d ago
And you want us to think they have suddenly seen the light and will focus on core games now, even though Kinect is forced into the unit?

When there is no reference, one looks to the only reference.

360 dropped core support, period.
Z501  +   459d ago
*sigh* If you don't get the relevance. Just read moscardini & Why o why's comment above. Simply put. They're talking about their future. But look at their PRESENT AND PAST. Where is the 360 "games" support???
SpitFireAce85  +   459d ago
Microsoft said just like sony did they they will support their console for 10 years.
joeorc  +   459d ago
@SpitFireAce85
"Microsoft said just like sony did they they will support their console for 10 years"

while I think, Microsoft can do so, what im wondering though, is it the type of support the xbox360 fan base want's. a perfect example read my forum Post about the change over @ Microsoft.

http://forums.n4g.com/The-C...

Microsoft's founding 10+ founding xbox system concept group member's. All the founding father's if you will are all gone! Quite a few people are really over looking this fact.
RavageX  +   458d ago
What MS meant when they said they would continue to support the 360 is that they will continue to let people pay for LIVE on it.

Anyway, I remember hearing something about the fact that all the original people who had a hand in making the OG Xbox are gone.

I think around the time the 360 started with the kinect stuff? Not sure if that is accurate, but honestly it does seem like an ENTIRE different group has been in charge lately(past few years).
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True_Samurai  +   459d ago
Here we go! Flame on!
Xbox One
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wishingW3L  +   459d ago
Even MS admits that the XB1 is weaker, now it's time for the Xfans to do the same. ;)
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ceballos77mx  +   459d ago
So what about the "the Almighty powah of the cloud", isn't supposed to make the x-one more powerful than the competition?
xc7x  +   459d ago
wait,wouldn't that change what they're saying now,since they imply their cloud has better specs than their competition? specs will matter to them then? you can't help to feel sorry for all the 'foot in mouth' talk Microsoft has been implying lately,what's up with that?
ceballos77mx  +   459d ago
They seem to do that a lot lately, guess they need an emergency staff meeting
xc7x  +   459d ago
just so long they don't make a speech afterwards,then it'll get worse?
RavageX  +   458d ago
I am so sick of hearing about the damn cloud. They need to SHOW what it can do instead of bragging about it.
first1NFANTRY  +   459d ago | Well said
And the corporate mud slinging from M$ (sore losers) begins yet again.

"our games and experiences are going to be every bit as good as, if not better" than those you'll find on competing consoles."

that's cause your retarded/backwards policies literally restrict third party devs from taking advantage of the more superior hardware. this method alone is holding back game advancement and what we could be getting from our consoles.

"The box is going to be awesome. The games are going to be awesome. I heard this exact same argument last generation and it's a pointless argument."

yeah that's why The Last Of Us and most Sony first party games wiped the floor with anything the 360 game produced. that's why GOTY has been won by ps3 exclusives every year since the console released pfft.

If specs mean nothing then why do they continue to brag about the cloud? oh yeah i forgot "it's rocket science stuff" lol what a joke of a company.

SUPPORTING THE XBOX ONE MEANS CONTRIBUTING TO DECLINE OF SUPERIOR GAMES.
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JBSleek  +   459d ago
I particularly agree with you but Microsoft is no "joke" of a company in the slightest.
mxrider2199  +   459d ago
of a company yes of their gaming division no they are one huge ass greedy joke
Pintheshadows  +   459d ago
No, they are getting that way. The more they get abused by Apple, Google and Sony the more of a joke they are becoming.

Windows 8 serves as an ironic metaphor for how much of a joke MS has become in recent years. They are a shadow of the company they were a decade ago.
shadyiswin  +   459d ago
the last of us wont outsell halo 4. Sony exclusives never sell,seems no one cares,infamous 2,uncharted 3, god of war didnt do great,maybe good at best, which is why you will either see these companies go multiplatform (hey insomniac,sup?) or close up shop,sales matter,love sony IPs so much,maybe go support them.
Pintheshadows  +   459d ago
More nonsense from someone who thinks that sales are that important and that SONY OWNED STUDIOS will go multiplatform. Newsflash buddy, Sony didn't own Insomniac, and frankly from what they have showed of Sunset and the mess that was Fuse Sony won't be missing them very much.
shadyiswin  +   459d ago
well actually i dont think the sales are important but then again it is a business and the whole point of this is to make money,if they aren't selling games you can except the well to dry up,if only the xbox kept it's drm you would of seem developers flock there to stay alive with all the money they would make,sigh....we could of had cheaper games and happy developers,win win,but we fight it out the old school way,should be a good fight,thought more people ask me about the xbox one and as a personal survey i say "what about the ps4?" and the response is almost as if they havent considered it where as anyone whos asked about the ps4 seems to sort of informed and just hates xbox,by sort of informed i mean they say things like,its more money and you cant trade in games,which was never true even before the 180,i run the electronics dept,i will be there first hand to see how this war plays out,atleast in my town in new york.
moparful99  +   459d ago
@Shady I just did a quick search and got an aggregate list of PS3 exclusives that have sold over 2 million units..(I think we all can agree that sales above 2mil can be considered Great)

That list had 19 games on it including

Gran Turismo 5 with 10.5 million sold
Metal Gear Solid IV sold nearly 6 mil
All 3 Uncharted games sold 5-6 mil a piece
GoW 3 sold roughly 4.5 mil
Infamous 1 and 2 hover about 3 mil and both were given away through the welcome back program and PS+
LBP 1 sold 5 mil
LBP 2 sold 3 mil
Both Killzone 2 and 3 appear
GoW collection sold 2.5 mil
Even Gran Turismo Prologue sold over 2 million

This whole PS3 games don't sell argument was debunked years ago but trolls like yourself keep trying to use it as fodder in your arguments.. Go home troll
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Valkyre  +   459d ago
i remember back when ps3 released its spec when those xbox exec "tech are meaningless" guys posted a thorough article pretty much bashing ps3's specs....

irony much MS?
shadyiswin  +   459d ago
sony had a year to destroy xbox graphic wise,it is absolutely embarrassing to go on lensoftruth.com and see xbox winning most of the games,winning? how is that even possible,and you expect me to get so excited about your new console that is basically the same specs as the xbox one. Oh you have faster ram,but the xbox ram supports the gpu in a better way where as yours goes for cpu, pretty sure it will balance out,im pretty excited to watch as sony fanboys convinced of the ps4 being a much more powerful console holds no legs as title after title looks exactly the same on both console,then you what comes into play,kinect integration,to think this generation is over before it has begun is foolish,it will not be lop sided at all,you all forget $500 isnt a lot to most people,they buy crappy ipads for there 5 yr olds,what's a $500 console near the holidays? the xbox one success will be obvious to me,but im just waiting to see how this website lights up with excuses,"oh because microsoft spent 1 billion dollars" lol,wouldn't you want a company to put its money where it's mouth is?
Pintheshadows  +   459d ago
I'm pretty excited to see you eat your words and then never post on this site again.
Valkyre  +   458d ago
sony destroyed xbox graphics wise.

last of us
god of war
uncharted
heavy rain
killzone
beyond two souls

your box has nothing to compete against that.

all of the above games are considered , at the time of their respective release, graphics benchmarks as far as consoles go.

you can go educate yourself on digital foundry and that stupid lensoftruth site (which is a graveyard now) . Time and again digital foundry called all these games the best console graphics of this generation.

hell, they (digital foundry) even called The Last of Us an actual benchmark that blurs the line between this and next gen... they pretty much called the game "next gen now" and they used it as the title of their analysis.

now go cry in a corner...
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TemplarDante  +   459d ago | Well said
I would explain/argue with the Xbox fanboys why the PS4 trumps Xbone. Alas, I have just one bubble. So rather than scatter my wisdom before those blind Xbox fanboys, I shall just say...

PS4 > Xbone
#DealWithIt

EDIT:
I see the RentAFanboy MS astroturfers are spreading disagrees lol
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Ilovetheps4  +   459d ago
I'm not a fanboy (especially not for MS), but I disagreed with you just because you didn't really make an argument.If you are going to make a claim, back it up with facts. Don't just make a claim.
no_more_trolling  +   459d ago
"Im not a fanboy"

your username contradicted your entire post.
greenpowerz  +   459d ago
Yep just prove what you've done hardware wise with the games.
DoesUs  +   459d ago
Or if your more powerful tell us! LMAO

Speaking of games, how's the 360 lineup this year?
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Rusty515  +   459d ago
...We got just dance disney party and Tiger Woods PGA Tour 14 for kinect. =\
wishingW3L  +   459d ago
what lineup? ;)
Drekken  +   459d ago
They abandoned the 360 years ago and these "gamers" still defend them. At least Sony is constantly pumping out games. GOOD games.
wenaldy  +   459d ago
Came back from the dead i see.
iMixMasTer872   459d ago | Spam
dionnysus  +   459d ago
is "the power of the cloud" a meme yet?
dionnysus  +   459d ago
that... was.. classic
Psychotica  +   459d ago
It doesn't matter until a great game comes out that is not on your console because it didn't have the power to run it..
Benjammin25  +   459d ago
Shame then that Sony kicks your ass in the game department too. On Ps3 alone, they had 4 or 5 GOTY. MGS4, Little BIG Planet, Uncharted 2, Journey and I fully expect TLOU to win GOTG it's that good.
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mxrider2199  +   459d ago
marhcinggamer LMFAOSHIDMBASMBB did you even watch the trailer for those games let alone play them lmao
Laughing my ass off so hard I did my best at super smash brothers brawl?
And I agree. Every game mentioned there just flat out destroys anything the 360 has produced.
Belking  +   459d ago
You must be high. Only game on that list to win GOTY was Uncharted 2....lol But I guess anythings possible in your mind....lol
Benjammin25  +   459d ago
Ha, you jackass. You wanna check if you don't believe me? LBP won TONS of GOTY awards. So did journey and MGS4. The Last Of Us will clean up as well.
MysticStrummer  +   459d ago
Don't bother with Belking.

He's a parody of a MS fan.
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Smoovekid  +   459d ago
Specs all of a sudden don't matter to M$ when they have the weaker console.
DoesUs  +   459d ago
Bingo.
Minato-Namikaze  +   459d ago
They had the weaker console last gen too, just not as bad as it's gonna be this gen, lol.
Smoovekid  +   459d ago
Seems like the cloud was not working out.
PirateThom  +   459d ago
Confirmed their console is weaker, Sony will still have better games.

Unreal PR.
Sarobi  +   459d ago
He brings up "Great games and experiences" but hasn't Sony been saying "We're all about the games" since the day PS4 was revealed?.
Kos-Mos  +   459d ago
Almost only games. Nintendo is the only ones that doesn`t flag around with twitter, facebook, +++accounts, pay to play online etc.
Shadowsteal  +   459d ago
@Kos-Mos Facebook will enhance PS4 gameplay not get in the way. I can message PS4 players from my phone, download a game at home from my phone. Upload screenshots and the best moments I'll have during gaming straight to facebook, where my friends can comment and like my content. So don't bash twitter/facebook integration when it's only going to help make hardcore gaming mainstream. And PS4 is going to achieve that goal because they're combining PSN accounts with Facebook. Nintendo is just focusing on the SAME games. And they're doing it one generation too late. Just look at the DIVISION. It's being made ground up for next-gen consoles and I guarantee it won't be available for Wii U in any shape of form.
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Veneno  +   458d ago
Only in the messed up minds of Microsoft and their fanboys does superior specs equal less quality gaming experiences. It really is no use trying to get them to see the light. It's like insanity, there comes a point when you're too far gone to be repaired.
Hercules189  +   459d ago
hopefully ppl will play these "amazing" games. Just check the servers, theyre all empty.
PirateThom  +   458d ago
Online games are hardly a bench mark for good games.
RavageX  +   458d ago
While I'm all for PS4, I couldn't give a damn about facebook on it, messaging gamers from my phone, or any of that.

Games only please.
JohnDread  +   459d ago
No Microsoft, you are not Nintendo. You can not get away with blabbering about how games matter. That is not your audience.
Chaostar  +   459d ago
Sounds like a poor man saying 'money doesn't make you happy' to me.
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