Shuhei Yoshida Responds, Everything is true except....
Lollollol +1 Shuhei.
It not funny... Yoshida twitter reply to scott sounded really unprofessional and when scott replied backed and brings up a valid point about PS4 eye camera support. Yoshida ignores him and just post a smiley. Yoshida did not handle this situation well and he did not answer the question about support for the PS4 eye. I have a feeling the ps4 eye camera might turn out just like the ps3 camera.
That's nice dear I mean Scott dosen't even have a clue anyway, look at his last tweet *** Odd that many are interpreting the PS4 camera story as a dig at Sony. Not at all. But the future of motion control for PS4 IS seemingly grim *** See that last part "future of motion control is grim"...who cares, most of us don't give a flying f*** about motion control. We should be glad it's just an option with limited support then like Kinect where it's shoved down your throat...IGN should know this but instead Scott makes it seem like it's a bad thing when it's not How people get good jobs like this baffles me, it really does
All i hear is bla bla bla.
Shuhei knows the people at IGN very well. He was just correcting them.
You got no sense of humor whatsoever lol, sad.
it should end up like the PS3 camera, an irrelevant extra. consoles dont need cameras.
Take popular subject, criticise it and praise the opposite. Basic trolling 101. I will give you one thing tho, you are bloody persistent.
The "journalist" didn't handle the conversation professionally. Yosh said everything was correct but.... Then the so called "journalist" goes on to henpeck about not having strong support for the ps4 camera? Typical tabloid journalist BS. Yes I know IGN is not a tabloid but that doesn't mean the hacks they hire as journalists aren't.
@Majin-vegeta You can hear text? Cool. @disagrees don't you guys have a sense of humor?
Sony could have bundled the camera in and still beat MS on price. they would have done a camera bundle and PS4 for 349.99. Considering we already know the camera is 59.99 stand alone.
Do we buy gaming consoles for games or camera's ? Do we buy camera's to take pictures, or to game ? Seriously. People make the biggest deal out of stuff that rarely matters and the stuff that does matter rarely gets talked about.
Why do you still have bubbles?
@ Masterdon It's very hard to even try and take you seriously with your incessant use of the letter Z and typing "u" as a substitute for "you".
can i ask you this, would you have bought a PS4 if the camera did come bundled with the PS4? Would that have caused you to jump off of MS's boat? I have a feeling your answer is no..
Only real gamers know this is the case. Only fanboys will dismiss the fact that Sony dropped the $100 off because the EYE is not comparable to Kinect as far as funtionality and doesnt constitute the price increase. If the EYE could do motion detection and voice recognition that integrates with the function of the console then you would have seen a $499 PS4
He is friends with a lot of IGN. It was just a joke, but kind of correcting him at the same time. Shuhei is a really fun guy. He is always joking with them over Twitter.
There was no situation, lol, its just a stupid camera and price
Well it doesnt sound particularly promising that was the only thing he could say about the article. I understand that most people here(me included) could care less about the pseye. But in the end its a piece of tech that costs Sony R&D/ marketing money and they have effectively killed it. Just as any other peripheral on any console that is not included on every device
Yeah Sony killed the cam to save the console but Microsoft killed the whole console with it's always-on, always-listening cam ...I prefer Sony's approach and will probably get a camera some day, but I don't want to be forced to buy/use one.
Are you trolling or being sarcastic? Or do you work for Sony's R&D department? First of all they haven't spent any money marketing it because it hasn't been released yet. Secondly, yes, it's Sony's money, they can spend it on whatever they want. Do you have any idea how much cash these companies are prepared to risk on R&D? That's why it's "research and developement" they already know that every idea won't be making a return. Sony, who have already spent money developing the device, have decided the camera isn't worth putting in the PS4 box for some reason...but you want them to anyway because we should feel sorry for their investment? I just don't get it.
Was the PS4 originally going to be released with a camera. The likelihood of that is yes. Smart move by Sony to not add that additional $50 on it's consumers. I don't think I will ever purchase or have a need for the camera. Didn't get it with my PS2-PS3, never saw the need. So thank you Sony for not shoving it down my throat.
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Yeah the camera is one thing, i like at how IGN made it look like Sony is hiding something too.. making it look bad. But the reality is that when you compare both the advantages of between the two consoles is that, PS4 you lose the camera, which is not that useful anyway, also having to pick to get a camera or not is good unlike Xbone they actually force you to pick one. The logic here is that, with the PS4 you have a choice. Also, the specs between the two, PS4 is on the winning side, and you don't get the headset for the xbone, you have to buy it separately. You gain something, you lose something.
not understanding most of the replies... (the disagrees were obvious because it was a "negative" comment about Sony). I am not saying Sony that I would prefer the idea of a PSEYE being included on every console, because I could care less about it, the one I got on PS3 I had it for less than a month before I sold it. Im just stating(just like the article does) that Sony has effectively killed almost every change they had at making the PSEYE succesful. As it has happened with almost any device that is not included with every console (wii motion + adapter, pseye, even kinect sales pale in comparison to the amount of 360s sold). So im just talking about the other side of the coin, while im perfectly happy to just pay $400 and let sony be the one who decides what to do with the device @Hayabusa 117 I particularly liked your idea that if I find something I dont agree/like about a console I have to be either trolling or sarcastic. I had forgotten that these companies are perfect and never make mistakes...
If I may dust off an old chestnut... ...PWNT!
*couldn't care less It infuriates me how many people get that wrong.
Ir makes no sense putting a light bar tracking device on the PS4 controller, if the PS4 doesn't come bundled with the Eye Camera. Why put that tracking device on ALL controllers, if only a selected few that buy the Eye camera are going to use the technology. That's just wasting money... it's a bad economical business decision.
"I don't think so, Tim." -Al OT: Thank you for the clarification, Mr Yoshida.
Light bar isn't for the eye. The eye can be used with it but it's primary function is to let players know which controller they are using eg. player one lights up blue etc
At first glance you might be right, but you got to look into things more deeply than that. For instance, one of the biggest problems with the move was the low adoption rate. No one wanted it and no one supported it (in the grand scheme no one did, I know there are games / exclusives). By building it into the controller, Sony can effectively stop making Move wands (saving money) and will have larger numbers incase other developers want to implement move features. Personally speaking, I like this choice. I am paying less than the Xbox One and always have the choice to upgrade to the "full experience" for at most $60 dollars. This will give me time to see if there is a need and it won't hurt me if there isn't one.
Personally I don't have a problem with what sony is doing, they are treating it as a peripheral so if you want it then you have the option to get it. This strategy like all peripherals make the future support hit and miss for dev support but hey at least you weren't forced to buy it. On the other hand this is a point of distinction for micro because most games will benefit from the added options that Kinect brings and it will only continue to grow far more rapidly than ps eye compatible games. Sure we are forced to pay but the cost in the longterm is easily worth it to me when you consider the additional features it adds to not only the basic functionality of X1 but also more immersion ranging from subtle interactions like body leaning in Forza5 +controller or wheel to avoid other cars or even more cool things that I heard on a podcast journalists were talking about a micro engineer who gave a demo of a game where touching your temple in a fps activated your charachters x-ray vision. To each his own but Id enjoy engaging my games in new ways like this.
@fermcr - The light bar has multiple uses, it can be used with the PS4EYE and also as away to tell which players are playing.
@ mika Lol Mika I respect your enthusiasm , and your solidarity to post your honest to god opinion . I do I truly do , but damn you need to take a breather and stop trolling PS3 and 4 articles .
@Masterdon the reason people are not too keen on MS is because they are seeing what Microsoft is actually like, the whole drm thing pissed of many gamers and when they saw how many people they were losing from their fan base they reversed everything. Make no qualms about it microsoft care only for 1 thing $$$$ if not go and find out how Xbox came to be.
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As someone who replied to Mika, there should be a bubble named Mika, but I say there should be a bubble named corporate shills, so it would apply to GreenPowerz, JokesOnYou and others.
i find it sad that the people who are complaining about this just because they are forced to use the one on xbox. also complaining about lower price point is stupid. id rather a system with no camera lower price, then one with camera and higher price. besides its an option and if i feel like i need one i can buy it later. ign and those making a big to do about this truly have nothing better to do with their time.
You never give up, do you Mika.
i dont get it mika hates nintendo and is now saying something bad about sony, wtf dudette make up your mind lol
As long as it's not MS, it is bad.
@Mr_Nuts "most of us don't give a flying f*** about motion control" I guess that's why the Wii failed so hard.
Hey Mika whats it like when 90% if the site thinks you are a troll and disagrees with you?
I see Mika is at it again. This guy posts in PS4 articles more than he does in xbox ones. He is a Playstation fan, he just doesn't know it yet.
I wonder if he pondered using the old 'trout slap' pic at some point prior to posting that.
Most people responding to this article are forgetting that the kinnect support from third party developers will in all likely-hood port over, so as long as sony supports this feature in some form the PSeye will have plenty going on this time around. Very smart move on Sony's part for letting us make the choice and letting Microsoft take all the risk pushing the peripheral.
How? The only thing he got wrong was camera support with game demos. It was corrected. But if it weren't for Microsoft...the PS4 would have been bundled with a camera.
Oh here we go, a typical MS fanboy trying to make MS look like a hero on an article which is purley about Sony, IGN and the PS4. ***But if it weren't for Microsoft...the PS4 would have been bundled with a camera. *** You don't know that and I highly doubt that would be the case anyway. Your nearly as bad as Mika you know
have bundled the camera in the ps4, it would still be cheaper than Xbox360. My question is why is Microsoft system, less powerful, cost more than ps4? Even if you remove Kinect, it shouldn't even be the same price as ps4.
Dunno why people are disagreeing with Muerte^^ He's right. The PS4 camera is priced at £45 so even if you add that on separately it's still only £395. Still £35 cheaper than Xbone.
how u figure that? ps cameras have never been the focus of a playstation console its treated as a camera that can be used to play games.. MS has made a few E3s about kinect and its part of the console since its needed for it to work...
@WB27 I respectfully disagree , the reason The Ps4 isn't bundled with all PS4's is because its not a mandatory feature . The PS4 will operate with or without the camera .
@Muerte2494, MS aren't a hardware company. Kinect 1 cost $150, Kinect 2 is likely costing even more.
M$ camera is more improved then last gen camera. That is the reason why it is more expensive and of course, company wants to make profits too.
The title of page says it! Yoshida confirms and says your mistake was saying no games were using the camera. IGN editor says he corrected it. Heres the article. http://www.ign.com/articles... It isn't purely about Sony,IGN, and the PS4. It's about the price and Micro including the Kinect and how Sony took their camera out in order to undercut the price. Disagree all you want...but the article and Yoshida's response is right there. Holy crap...it's all right there. Unlike Mika..I go after people who post falseness just cause its cool to downplay anything Micro. I don't praise the Xbox much actually...but this is much more fun. To see and article and YOshida confirm what they did and loyalists still act like there's doubt cause it's Sony. Show me where what I said was false.
It would have been 50 dollars cheaper regardless, sheesh give it a rest kid.
So why take the camera out if it were going to be cheaper anyway? No guarantee it still would have been. @misterzadir Ok...not proving anything. But people jump on Micro for including Kinect and forcing it down our throats. Sony had the same idea and only switched to get a lower price point. They built the controller to function with the camera and now a feature they planned on having from the beginning is gone just to get a lower price point. If you can't see that in the article...oh well.
Yes... they chose not to force a stupid camera down our throats. They thought about it, of course. But they chose not to. They didn't go one way and then flip, they simply made the pro-consumer choice from the start, not AFTER they saw they were failing. There IS a difference there. I'm not sure exactly what your comment is trying to prove wrong.
@WB you're arguing with a brick wall here on N4G. Any use of common sense that doesn't favor a shred of Sony will label you a Xbox fanboy. In the tweet one person even says: "Shu, the PS Camera was originally planned to be bundle with the PS4?is that the correct part of the article?" Which Shuhei Yoshida replies: "no comment, sorry" If the PS4 was never intended to include the camera then why say no comment. Just say no, it wasn't. The PS4 was more than likely was intended to have the camera included which is why they showed off a lot of features for it and the combined controller. Now they'll have a device that will sit on the store shelf since its not needed and will hardly get supported (maybe?) just like the Move.
What a laugh! You cant spell IGNorance with out IGN. I am an avid PS Move gamer and I support the PS Move system because it is fun playing with my nephews but Unlike M$ or Nintendo Sony knows best not to force motion gaming on PlayStation core gamers. Its an optional peripheral and feature as Sony knows not everyone is into motion gaming as core gaming is still heavily grounded on controllers. For Scott Lowe to say the camera was axed to give the PS4 lower price advantage is pure guess work and uneducated deduction. The DS4 is not heavily dependent on the PSEye. http://www.shacknews.com/ar... "The light-bar doesn’t require the camera to function. It’s just a different way of identifying the player. In terms of using the LED [as in the Dualshock 3, with] numbers like 1, 2, 3 and 4, it looked a bit odd. The SCEI people wanted some smarter way of doing it, and the use of a full-color LED came up," Yoshida told Edge. All these make sense. Scott really got owned. *facepalm Sony showed support with PSEye and Move control system with their demo on last Feb PS4 reveal. And I know Media Molecule has something creatively genius with that 3D do-it-yourself- game maker game. Not because they did not show some demo at E3 is reason enough to say the PS Eye is sacrificed, or abandoned. Sony has spread all their game announcements on all coming major trade shows. PS @ you and @maniacmayhem And based on your argument about Kinect kudos to Sony for letting M$ copy the "Wrong PS4 System" set to be unveiled at E3. M$ fell 4 it!!!! M$ has copied the PlayStation for the last time.
@thewb27 & maniacmayhem You can argue about maybes and possibilities, but I prefer to look at what is. I have no (read none at anytime ever) interest in motion controls of any kind. That being said, I like that I have the choice to not buy it for the PS4. Kinect is the sole reason I will never get an Xbox One. If I didn't have to use Kinect, I would get an Xbox One. It's that simple. Something so trivial is what Microsoft is using to completely alienate some of their customers. I know not everyone shares my sentiment. Some people actually enjoy playing an overly simplified tennis match in their living room with their hand and an imaginary ball instead of just going outside. I get it. But I also know that there are people that feel the same way I do. The PS4 accommodates both people. The Xbox One does not. That's what is. The people who want Kinect or don't mind paying an extra $100 for something they may or may not use will buy the Xbox One. It's not that serious. Quit trying to convince people to like everything about the system. Personally, I love everything about the Xbox One...except Kinect. It's a dealbreaker. If you're saying that Sony did this to undercut Microsoft on price, then thank you Microsoft! You helped make the decision for me.
What are you even talking about? The camera is priced at $60. The console is $400. Combine them, and you get $460, which is still less than the $500 price tag of the XBOne. You don't have to be a loyalist or a fanboy to see that. It's just damn common sense. Or basic math. Either way, it's pretty freakin simple.
What use of common sense? Does he work at Sony to know that the PSeye isn't included with every PS4 to keep the cost down? Does he have prove of that? Couldn't have Sony have made market research and get to the conclusion that making the camera optional would make the PS4 more appealing to consumers that don't want to be forced to buy a device that they don't want and they'll never use? Giving options and not forcing things down our throats, believe it, or not is consumer friendly and that is all the common sense I need.
I suggest you guys watch the damn PS4 reveal and Xbone reveal on youtube and come back here and tell me which one of them is shoving the damn camera feature from the get go?
@Hicken http://www.escapistmagazine... http://www.google.com/#scli... @Imalwaysright Market research didn't do it. Microsofts price point did. Ill leave the link for you too. http://www.google.com/#scli... Yoshida is a president in Sony's entertainment division. @tarbis I suggest you read the links too. Last minute scratch. Are you guys really that blind? Yoshida confirms the story that they scrapped it last second to undercut the price. Everyone is reporting it would have been the same price as the X1. If you don't want to believe the president, him confirming the story, IGN, and all these links confirming they scrapped it in order to drop the price...then I'm done debating it. The proof is right there. There's nothing you can tell me that's different from what Yoshida confirms and all these different links say.
@ WB27 The only link that works for me its the 1st and it confirms nothing, its just a rumour. Your 2nd and 3rd links just lead to the google homepage. Could you please post the correct link?
"According to sources," reads your only real link, as the others are just Google search results. And that conflicts reports from directly Sony saying they were happy when they heard the XBOne's price, because they knew they had a better one. It also doesn't make any mathematical sense, as a bundle almost invariably CUTS the price of the total content, rather than raising it. Please, tell me: what sense does it make to remove a peripheral in order to cut $100 off the price, then sell that peripheral for 3/5 of the difference? Any other such bundle would see the multiple components costing MORE by being sold separately, not less. Care to explain how this would have been different?
@WB You're argument has MAJOR holes in it.. First of all Sony had NO idea what the price of the XBONE was going to be until the MS E3 press conference.. So for your theory to be sound in reason that means Sony decided in the few hours between MS' presser and their own to drop the Eye from the bundle and have enough time to modify their presentation accordingly? Sounds very far fetched.. Not only that but the EYE is $60 so they were going to undercut the price of the XBONE whether they decided to include it or not... Why couldn't Sony have just decided in the days or weeks leading up to E3 just decide from a marketing standpoint that it made more sense to them to NOT include the EYE in the box? All of this price undercutting stuff is pure speculation and not grounded in facts...