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Sony Sacrificed the PS4 Camera to Beat Microsoft on Price

IGN:When Sony announced that PlayStation 4 would be priced at $399 to an uproar of applause from the audience at its E3 press conference, it secured a critical edge over the Xbox One. But the advantage came at a cost: the PlayStation 4 camera. According to multiple sources, in the months leading up to E3, Sony nixed plans to include the camera add-on with every system and shave $100 off it's originally planned price of $499. Most importantly, it did so quietly, informing its retail partners only of the removal of the camera, not specifying the lower price so as not to tip its hand to Microsoft.

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JoGam1069d ago

I wouldn't call it a sacrifice, but instead Sony gave us more options.

Abash1069d ago

It was a great move. When launching a console you have to consider the entry point, and for a brand new, powerful console $400 is the sweet spot for price.

Sony only cares about more people being able to get a PS4 at their price

blitz06231069d ago

It's not a sacrifice unless people actually wanted the camera to be forced or bundled. It was common sense on their part and obviously it paid off.

darthv721069d ago (Edited 1069d ago )

is the ones putting this all together then they would know exactly how much it all costs and could potentially include the camera at little to no additional cost.

MS has to outsource their production of the xb1 so that has some bearing on the overall cost of their system. Not just the inclusion of the kinect camera.

I would like sony to reconsider and make their camera part of the package. If sold by itself, it wont have the same impact as something that is included by default. it would not get the same amount of support as something that is included by default. it would be an after thought by many consumers and only apply to the games specifically for it instead of the little nuances that could be implemented into every game or app released for the platform.

I want to see cameras supported more this gen and to do that then there has to be a common ground among platforms. Wii-u has a camera, xb1 has a camera and the ps4 has a camera but the later of the 3 does not have it by default.

sony, please reconsider as it will only add more value to the already great price point of the ps4.

kreate1069d ago

Agreed w blitz. Nobody wants a camera. Not even the kinect,
When its forced on u. So its not a sacrifice.

I have a kinect installed on my 360.
It sucks. I only got it to give the device a fair try before making conclusions.

abzdine1069d ago

i will call it the following:

"Sony gives a choice to gamers".

PS4 ftw

solidjun51069d ago

"sony, please reconsider as it will only add more value to the already great price point of the ps4."

Well you can just buy it. I don't think a camera is needed to play videogames. You mentioned Wii U but does Wii U have any games where the camera is such an important and integral part of the package that without it, the game wouldn't be that great? I don't think so.

Diver1069d ago

When has a launch PS console ever shipped with a camera? When has it ever been required to operate a base console?

Sorry worthless ign ms defenders. No precedent for what you are trying to spin.

gedapeleda1069d ago

It may be a sacrifice but I don't know if it's a good one. One thing good about xbone is that everyone will have a kinect so devs could implement some nice features. But we'll have to wait a bit for that.

darthv721069d ago

"When has a launch PS console ever shipped with a camera?"

Nintendo never launched a system with a camera until the DSi. Then it wasnt until the wii-u for their console. All that time up to that point they didnt release a camera as part of the package.

there has to be a first at some point. sony may not have in the past but they could make a change and do it now. Why is that so hard to accept?

yes i can buy it by itself and i will. i just feel if they included it as part of the standard pack that it would be more guaranteed of support unlike being treated like an after thought.

Sorry if i prefer to see things move forward with the inclusion of conveniences...even something like a camera.

BISHOP-BRASIL1069d ago

Darth, you are wrong twice, in both your comments...

First, you don't know what the actual price to make the camera is, so how can you assume they could put it in there for free to little difference in price? In fact the article is saying exactly otherwise, they got rid of it to cut 100 bucks, despite not outsourcing.

Second, you forgot the Wii. Wii had a camera on day one and an IR camera none the less. It's called Wiimote! Yup, it has a camera in there, it's just being used backwards, to track to little LEDs on sensor bar instead of you, so you're shooting instead of being filmed. Someone had to be the first, and it did, it was Ninty.

And, on a closing point, you and I must have really diverging opinion in what is a convenience. For instance, forcing everyone to buy what they don't want in order to have what they actually want is not exactly convenient. Even if you really love cameras you probably know many think it's a gimmick, a diversion at best, don't matter how hard developers focus on that, it's not just the games for it not being good enough, it's the controller many don't want to use. Some of us are couch potatoes, you know. Also, please quit the "things moving forward" speech. You don't decide what is the way forward, market does, take a lesson from MS and "DRM is the future".

N4g_null1069d ago

This only hurt developers of motion games, which are not present on Sony consoles.unfortunately ms will get a ton of sells from motion gaming.

GrandTheftZamboni1069d ago

Yeah, looks more like Sony tricked M$ knowing that retail partners would leak the price.

mistertwoturbo1069d ago

Soooooo... Sony made a move to give consumers a lower price point, and they are making it like it's a bad thing just to beat Microsoft?

It's not like they took out Wi-fi and charged $100 for a separate peripheral, or charge peopple $150 for a separate hard drive, or made a separate attachment to play Blu-Rays. I mean what modern day company would do such a thing?

:)

The_Con-Sept1068d ago

No one wants to look like an idiot while trying to access a certain menu item.

YNWA961068d ago

@ Bishop BR,
Darths point is that the camera would be great if it is part of package, developers would not hold back, knowing every PS4 owner has one and will not worry. I have kinect on X360, do not use it that much but my son does, so for me its valuable. I know also X1, while expensive, still represents good value to me, for the way I plan on using it. As for PS 4, I will love it no doubt, but will now probably never get the Move, unless it was dirt cheap. Also, your statement, forcing people to buy what they do not want, where are your statistics to back this up? A lot of people would prefer to get it packaged, rather than pay full price later in box. Darths opinions are his, hes entitled to it, and he never said anyone elses opinions are wrong...

bradleejones1068d ago

It's not like they took out Wi-fi and charged $100 for a separate peripheral, or charge peopple $150 for a separate hard drive, or made a separate attachment to play Blu-Rays. I mean what modern day company would do such a thing?
-mistertwoturbo

priceless

Death1068d ago

It's all about perspective.

Sony included Blu-ray to secure the format at PS3 owners expense. PS3 owneres were forced to pay for it. Sony also yanked backwards compatability giving owners the option to buy a PS2 to play their old games. They also gave us the option to buy these same PS2 games and download them to play on the same system that can't play the disc version. Sony did a similar thing with the PSP when they dumped the UMD drive.

Funny how you can charge for a feature on one console and it "adds value" and then when the same is done on another it's being "forced" to buy something nobody wants.

ThanatosDMC1068d ago

^Probably because we all have Kinect and what games did we actually play with it or what games actually worked properly. I played Just Dance got bored with it and made it collect dust... and then finally took it out again to play Steel Battalion Kinect. Wish i could have re-used my giant controller instead.

BISHOP-BRASIL1068d ago

@Gman0174

Yeah, I got his point, he thinks it's convenient for devs to know a camera is with every system and hence support people that care about the camera... And my point is that to achieve what he want Sony would need to basically screw everyone else who don't want a camera, showing that convenience is something about as subjective as it gets.

And I'll take it up a notch (as much as it can ruin your kid's day, sorry), most "hardcore" gamers doesn't simply don't care about camera, they want it fucking gone. We don't even want devs to have that kind of option so we're not forced to deal with it ever.

That's exactly what I meant by a controller many people don't want to use. We don't want devs to be wondering "hey, why don't we make every menu in this otherwise awesome game controlled by jumping in front of the TV like freaking a baboon in a branch, since every unit has a camera, you know?". It's that simple. Forcing a camera on costumers won't stop on owning the hardware, it's a matter of time 'till all software is also based around it, so it's not simply benefitting those who like a camera, it's taking a dump on those who can't stand it.

You may argue that's not not necessarily going to happen, but I disagree, just look at the Wii. The wiimote always could be used as a basic controller when sideways as well as there were a more advanced standard gamepad from day one, although this was sold stand-alone indeed, but anyway 99% of the games on Wii are not only meant to be pleyed through motion controls, they are only playable like that. Most games don't even care to have an option to play with the standard gamepad... That's what many can't stand (me included, I do enjoy some motion controls here and there, but I don't want it to become the standard ever, hence I don't support it to be bundled).

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@Death

How many more quotes from devs complaining about DVD storage limitations you wanna see before you let it go about Sony forcing BD into everyone? And, if it's so bad, why isn't Xbox One games media a DVD? Anyway, welcome to 2006.

Also, I don't remember anyone applauding Sony for the PSPGo (at all, it was praised about as much as it sold, which is crap in case you don't know) or removing BC from PS3 (in that case many were happy about the pricecut, not because Sony removed a feature or said "buy it again", in fact many were complaining all day long).

And, quite frankly, the whole BC is a non-issue, white people problem at it's best. You are not forced to sell your console or buy a new one, in fact, it's not the standard for a new platform to run games from an old platform so you only have yourself to blame for those expectations.

Before PS2 there was no backwards compatibility and gaming was just fine. After that only early PS3 models and Ninty (Wii and WiiU) even tapped full "use your old discs" BC, but try to find anyone who uses it extensively... And yet here we are, all looking forward to non-BC consoles and still gaming just as before none the less.

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aiBreeze1069d ago

It certainly isn't a sacrifice. Sony done the right thing knowing that many gamers don't care for motion gaming and didn't want to force it on us.

lawgone1069d ago

Sone "done" the right thing? How about "did" the right thing?

dantesparda1069d ago (Edited 1069d ago )

Ok, professor

Screw you IGN, you pay Sony the difference to include the camera since you want it so much. Stop trying to troll IGN!

hellvaguy1069d ago

But sony did force that gimmick touchpad on us instead.

dredgewalker1069d ago

@Hellvaguy
It's an additional feature of the controller. It's still gonna have much more potential use in games than the camera.

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JsonHenry1069d ago

Fine by me. I never wanted kinect or motion control in general in the first place.

HateFanboys1069d ago

You're such a bad ass libertarian

vikingland11069d ago

It was a shrewd business move.

Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II1069d ago

What? Sony didnt make its camera to compete with kinect its just an option like move.

onyoursistersback1069d ago

Smart move, if I see good use in gameplay ill pic one up month latter

theDECAY1069d ago

I see what you did there!

Smart MOVE? Eh? Eh?

onyoursistersback1069d ago

I can't take the credit, Sony makes it look EZ...
"Like Kinect One plus One!"

MastaMold1069d ago

How would the PS4 cost $499 with the PS Eye included in the box when the PS Eye by ITSELF cost $60, ign making sh!t up just to justify Xbone $499 price.

dantesparda1069d ago

Cuz they are MS fanboy trolls! They are full of crap and everybody knows it

whoyouwit041069d ago

The ps eye cost 60 bucks to produce, they have to make a profit off it genius.

insomnium21069d ago

@who

Sooooo.. they get that profit by selling the thing for 60 dollars separately? i think your production costs are a bit too high.

TheTwelve1069d ago

Part of the definition of "sacrifice" is that it involves pain. Sony won't be hurting over this decision.

KwietStorm1069d ago

It doesn't have to involve any pain at all. The camera was being considered to be included in the package. When it came time to debate the price, compromises were brought up, and the camera was what was sacrificed, given up, lost, in order to get that number down. It's that simple. I don't know why everyone keeps saying there was no sacrifice when that's exactly what happened. It's not a bad thing, but it's reality.

elhebbo161069d ago

yea but it would hurt there R & D a bit since the camera wouldnt get much use. personally I care more about gameplay innovations than what a camera can do.

malokevi1069d ago

"Microsoft's decision to bundle a Kinect with each Xbox One and require it for use may be unpopular, but it guarantees that every user will have the option to try Kinect-enabled games and experiences. For developers, it means that Kinect integration is no longer a costly gamble on a small subsection of Xbox owners — motion-detecting and voice-sensing elements can be anything from a small optional game enhancement or the primary control method."

This is what's important. Can't wait to see what devs do with the tech now that there is guaranteed 100% adaption. The tech is impressive in and of itself, no doubt it will add to the experience in a wide swath of MS' AAA exclusives.

I had already assumed that this is how Sony managed to get their $399 price point. I was also wondering about the built in LED on the controller, as it was a much-touted feature during their reveal event.

I'm glad MS didn't get wind of this, and didn't choose to sacrifice Kinect. Whether its for surfing the dash, powering up the console, communicating with friends, or playing games, I can't wait to have Kinect as part of my setup.

theDECAY1069d ago

Clearly, you've never used a kinect.

malokevi1069d ago

Nope, but clearly I will have ample opportunity to use a Kinect 2.0.

elhebbo161069d ago

Six axis was "bundled" with every DS3, and it didnt get much use. only first party devs and some indies got to utilize it. I promise you most third-party devs are not gonna give two shits about kinect unless Microsoft writes them a big check.

*cough* Bethesda with Skyrim *cough*

shinrock1069d ago

Dammnnnn all those disagrees for the facts.I see the fanboys on here don't like options and extra features. But they love free games and GameStop.

The Real Peter Moore1069d ago

@shinrock

Shut up stupid, kinect sucks, and you're gonna pay an extra $100 for it, no thank you. F-ing fanboys, their stupidity never ceases

Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II1069d ago

@ malokevi ms sure saw you comin

dlocsta1069d ago

@therealpetermoore
The problem is the YOU are the fanboy. You jump on him because you don't like something HE is buying. Why do you give a $hit if your not a fanboy? You are the stupid one dumba$$.

MichaelLito791069d ago

@malokevi

You are right you can see that MS has a gameplan with kinect and many of the launch titles and features are going to be using it.

Deadrising
Ryse
Call of Duty
Witcher 3
Kinect Sports Rivals
Skype
Snap
Twitch
Xbox live
Apps and many more.

Many gamers are looking at the price tag today and I can see many jumping on something with a difference of 100 dollars but once you get a taste of some of those features and start to use it in game play it really is amazing.

Nicaragua1069d ago

The only way Kinect will end up being implemented in games is just like it is today - as a glorified microphone for voice commands that nobody uses.

malokevi1068d ago

"@therealpetermoore
The problem is the YOU are the fanboy. You jump on him because you don't like something HE is buying. Why do you give a $hit if your not a fanboy? You are the stupid one dumba$$. "

Quoted for truth.

The Real Peter Moore1065d ago

@dlocsta

I also think its stupid to pay so much for apple products or change your smartphone out every other yr, does that make me a fanboy to? Shut the hell up, i think its stupid to have to pay a extra $100 for a piece of useless crap like the kinect, sorry, but deal with that! I think your the fanboy but caring and getting defensive about it.

@malokevi

Says the other fanboy, lame!

malokevi1065d ago

@The Real Peter Moore

The point is that you're the one jumping all over us for supporting something with ridiculous negative comments.

You disagree? Fine. No need to be a jerk about it. let me quote you're response to our expression of interest:

"@shinrock

Shut up stupid, kinect sucks, and you're gonna pay an extra $100 for it, no thank you. F-ing fanboys, their stupidity never ceases "

And you have the nerve to call us fanboys? Get a clue.

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Bigpappy1069d ago

Sony did not do this to give you options. They did it to try and undercut the X1 price. Was not thinking about you except to get you to spend the money with them rather than M$. M$ was able to steal a large portion of the market from Sony this gen. Sony has sworn since then, they would not let M$ go first next time and they will not have such an expensive console. Their strategy was to let M$ nail down a price then do what they could to beat that price.

I was a clever move to under cut M$ on price, M$ had that advantage throughout this gen. But it is risky, as M$ with no doubt have a huge advantage in attracting the casual base. Notice they have not shown the Kinect games yet. If you don't think they will be some shown before the Holidays roll around, you are delusional. When M$ starts to market X1, it will look like a way better option to moms this Holiday season.

malokevi1069d ago

They think that this means they get "options"... when ultimately, its the developer who has less options.

Which is OK, if your an Xbox gamer.

KwietStorm1069d ago

Even though you trailed completely off topic there, I'll entertain it. What you said is true about casual games coming to Kinect, but here's a fun fact: all three consoles have casual games. Yes, the Xbox has Kinect, and yes, Microsoft has been pushing the casual thing for a while now, but some might say they have to turn it up to 11 at this point, considering the overall numbers. Sony dug themselves out of the grave this generation, and that was without launching at the same time, without word of mouth momentum, and without a cheaper price. Those things factor heavily into mindshare, especially the price, and a lot of moms are going to look at that too.

Imalwaysright1069d ago

Even with PSeye the PS4 would be cheaper than the X1. There goes the point you were trying to make down the drain.

Belking1069d ago

"Notice they have not shown the Kinect games yet. If you don't think they will be some shown before the Holidays roll around, you are delusional".

This is true. The only kinect game I've seen is Kinect sport rivals but you know plenty more are coming. Sony didn't include the move in it's package because they know their camera is inferior and it adds no value to the package whatsoever. Good move on sony's part but it will come at a loss of install base for their camera. Not only that but xbox-one with it's three operating systems, will offer multi-tasking that ps4 will not be capable of doing. Xbox one is more expensive but there is more value there than ps4. Sony may of had a lot of people fooled by the cheaper price but there are some of us who know the real deal.

Why o why1069d ago (Edited 1069d ago )

Lol...so to counter all of what you said sony just need market sonys real life advantages better including price...if you hadn't noticed, sony are far more aggressive now... just look at the ass whooping the share video gave ms.....its still getting viewed now even though ms has done a 180. Sony have apparently ditched the old advertising firm for some don draper types.

Oh do be quiet belkin. You were probably one of the drm cheerleaders AKA the insignificant minority in ms's own eyes. Why would your interpretation of value be considered a balanced one. Inferior camera...but Superior Console...Ill take that all day long ;)

sAVAge_bEaST1069d ago (Edited 1069d ago )

3 -Bloated OS's - so you can skype, game, watch TeeVee, and fantasy football, all at the same time?!?!! no thanks.
I don't want a camera that can tell my pulse, if i'm getting a hard on, because of blood flow,. my moods, hunger and thirst,.. only to make data packets to be sent back to microsoft..
I will buy a console to play games,. switch input's to watch tv,. I hate skype , and fantasy football..

dantesparda1069d ago (Edited 1069d ago )

@bigpappy

Wow! just wow! And what, MS was thinking about you? Is that why they are forcing Kinect down everyones throats and charging you a $100 for it? Yeah that really sounds like they were looking out for the consumer and not just trying to squeeze more money out of them. Thank MS, for charging us a $100 more for a product most dont want. Not even half the 360 base bought the thing! And kinect games really? This is a bragging point for you fanboys? MS fanboys arguments just keep better more and more pathetic, get you heads out of the cloud

@Belking

"some of us know the real deal", we know that you are one oblivious idiot. The PS4 is superior to X1 and is cheaper and isnt forcing some crappy spy casm on us and has much better 1st party support

GrandTheftZamboni1069d ago

@Bigpappy

"When M$ starts to market X1, it will look like a way better option to moms this Holiday season"

It will make Wii U sky-rocket. Who wants their kids in front of cameras connected to the Internet?

DARK WITNESS1069d ago

and by undercutting the x1 they gave us a better option..

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s8anicslayer1069d ago (Edited 1069d ago )

Indeed, but it still would've been cheaper @ 459usd with the camera.

marinelife91069d ago

Microsoft releasing without a hard drive was stupid. Not including a peripheral camera is no big deal.

3-4-51069d ago

hmm takes away useless camera nobody wants....makes price of PS4 cheaper...= genius

Heartnet1069d ago

Sony has actually given u less options by doing this in the longhaul

DARK WITNESS1069d ago

how is it less of an option when I can still go out an buy it if I actually want it.

In MS case I have paid $100 for something I have no interest in and do not want.

which is the option?

Heartnet1069d ago

But why would you buy it when none or very little games will support it? You wouldn't.

And with Microsoft including it with every console it gives the gamers more options in what games to purchase as you own the damn thing and also more games can implement it.

DARK WITNESS1068d ago

But thats just the point, you are assuming that because it comes with the console their would be more games that use it but thats not the case.

MS has not shown any games using kinect2.0 in a more compelling way then we have seen kinect1.0 being used.

They are still making us pay for something that not everyone wants.

Sony had motion controller in EVERY PS3 system, did that guarantee that more games made use of it? No.

it works both ways. Even if sony just got their 1st party studios to use the pseye in a compelling way just to show off what it can do and how it can be used, if people like it they will buy it. those that don't wont.