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Dan Greenawalt: Forza Motorsport is “The Master of Everything”, Gran Turismo 5 is a “Very Good Game”

Dan Greenawalt has always been very confident on the quality of the Forza Motorsport franchise, and he’s always vocal about it when on stage or interviewed. He’s also seen as not very keen to speak with people that criticize the direction of the series,this time, though, he bravely (and a bit smugly) responded to some very pointed questions. (Dan Greenawalt, Forza Motorsport 5, Gran Turismo 5, PS3, Xbox One)

THC CELL   957d ago | Immature | show | Replies(2)
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Aceman18  +   957d ago
Hey Dan you'd think the master of everything would at least have day/night cycles, and changing weather conditions.

This dude DB if I ever saw or heard one.
M-M  +   957d ago
Who needs realtime weather effects when you have the cloud? /s
Aceman18  +   957d ago
I can't believe these people have made me hate the word cloud now haha.
XabiDaChosenOne  +   957d ago
Lmao the irony of having the power of "teh cloud" yet the game has no rain in it.
AngelicIceDiamond  +   957d ago
Forza 5 has a different focus it seems. Horizon had weather and day and night cycles.

Turn 10 seems to focus on the cars, mechanics and cloud stuff. Then again it is dumb to think a next gen system can't include everything though.
MarkM  +   957d ago
No the worst work at Sony, correction the top two work at Sony.
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yewles1  +   957d ago
"The interviewer didn’t give up, and listed many sim racing features missing from Forza games or only partially simulated (repairs on the aerodynamics, full pit stops, realistic tire wear and fuel consumption, functioning drag tree), but Greenawalt minimized their importance, taking the chance to mention the upcoming cloud-based features.

'Fair points, but, but again, Forza (and 'Forza 5' in particular) offers so much more than these rather minor details and concerns from our niche brothers and sisters on the racing side of Forza life.'& quot;

...and yet GT gets nitpicked about engine sounds (while Forza's toilet sharts are defended to death).
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Abriael  +   957d ago
They say the underdog always get defended, while the one sitting on the throne gets the criticism.
Mystogan  +   957d ago
Sitting on what throne? This is 2013 people. GT has long lost its seat.
IRetrouk  +   957d ago
When?, before or after selling over 10 million copies of the latest instalment?
humbleopinion  +   957d ago
Only, the problem with GT is much more than engine sounds. It's the base game that is lacking some major features in both the simulation department, car tweaking, online functions, UI and uneven graphics (with most models being PS2 level models).

If anything, you just showed how Forza gets nitpicked here on partial simulation features which aren't even existing on Gran Turismo. But I guess I an agree with Abriael, only it's Forza that has been on the throne for years and now its their turn to get nitpicked..
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IRetrouk  +   957d ago
I love forza but its never been on the throne, it may be higher rated but it does not sell, why do you think that is? Also gts base game is fine, so are the cars and tracks, while you focus on a few weak links ten million or so have focused on the amazing sim that it is, i really do like forza, have a look at my gamercard for proof, but to me gt is still the better sim, it could all change in the future but for now gt is still where its at for racing fans all over the world.
InTheLab  +   957d ago
No one buys the game dude. You can talk kings and thrones all day but it doesn't matter when MS continues to pump these games out to stay profitable.

The truth is, Forza does not sell without major bundles.

Forza 4 shipped with Skyrim, and that bundle makes up the majority of it's 4.5m sales. If you look at the timeline, Forza 4 was stuck at 1.5m sales going into last holiday...and then sales took off after the Skyrim bundle hit.

So while Forza is the King of the US, GT is King of the world.
LoveOfTheGame  +   957d ago
I'm going to stop you guys right there. I wouldn't bring up sales numbers to compare games. Especially if you happen to be Sony fans as it will set you up for a huge downfall in an argument.

Plus sales isn't a deciding factor of which game is better, you know because COD is the best game every year right?
Why o why  +   957d ago
Love of the game

Why not....please don't tell me you believe the rhetoric that sony games don't sell and ms's few games all sell like halo...this is may as well add 'blu ray isn't needed' and 'ps isn't selling and has no games' whilst you hop out of that delorean.

Sales alone definitely don't determine which game is better. I make you right on that but other than halo and gears and now forza ......what hits them numbers if you know what I mean. Even the top devs sales numbers show games are purchased well on both platforms. Despite that, I've played many games throughout my lifetime that just didn't sell well but that didn't detract me from the enjoyment/experience. Conversely I've played very popular games that I've net enjoyed as much..each to their own

In regards to forza vs seems one game is more arcadey than sim...its up to you to choose what you prefer. Nothing wrong with a preference.
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IRetrouk  +   957d ago
@ love, didnt say it was the sales that made it the best just that there is an obviously large fanbase that buy the game consistantly, there is a reason for that, truth be told i enjoy both games, i just prefer gt, i dont consider my prefrence as absolute.
humbleopinion  +   956d ago
All responders should really read what LoveOfTheGame wrote: bringing up numbers will not really win an argument talking about hardcore games.

After all, does anybody here wishes to compare sales of Gran Turismo to Mario Kart? MK Wii pretty much wipes the floor with any GT release ever, yet nobody in their right mind will claim better sales make it a better sim, right?

GT sells better than Forza, and that's a fact, yes. But Forza is still sells amazingly well with around 4-6 millions per release, and iterations have a much shorter release cycle so there are many sales divided along multiple releases.

But sales numbers are not really relevant to a discussion about quality. When talking quality there are some other facts to consider: Forza is much more critically acclaimed than GT, especially this generation where GT really went down under. And when talking which is a better sim racer, there are the phyiscal simulation prospects to consider: physical damage model, tire model, car model replication, car parameter tweaking etc. - and Forza simply offers more on these prospects.
Hopefully they'll fix it with GT6, but considering the fact that next gen is already around the corner this might be too little too late...
panbit86  +   957d ago
Not quite... actually it's like the X1... Jack of all trades master of none!
Caffo01  +   957d ago
"I feel that any details that are allegedly missing are far outweighed by our cutting edge graphics and physics"

That's putting features and gameplay behind graphics...that's sad.
Foxgod  +   957d ago
Physics are part of the gameplay.
What he refers to is not having weather cycles.
Weather doesnt add anything to the gameplay, just adds some mood.
Pintheshadows  +   957d ago | Well said
Hahaha. Are you serious? Have you played GT5 in the rain and felt the difference between dry conditions. Next you'll be saying rain in F1 only affects the mood.
Foxgod  +   957d ago
Real F1 doesnt no equal GT.
GenericNameHere  +   957d ago
You mention physics... But when you talk about adding weather, you only describe it as "adds some mood"...

What are you gonna say next, that having the ability to rewind time in a supposed "real sim racing game" is just to enhance real life?

GTFO -_-
Foxgod  +   957d ago
No, rewind is actually a gameplay feature, one i dont use, but for some it adds to the gameplay.

Mood is gameplay? so you can push a button, and then your mood changes?
If its not controlled, its not a gameplay feature.
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M-M  +   957d ago
If it "adds some mood", then wouldn't that be something that's added to the gameplay? Troll harder.
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yewles1  +   957d ago
"No, rewind is actually a gameplay feature, one i dont use, but for some it adds to the gameplay."

Are we talking about Full Auto here?
Aceman18  +   957d ago
@ fox

I can no longer take any of your comments seriously anymore after what you just said.

Of course weather adds a lot, a hella lot to gameplay. You disappoint me falling for this PR crap.
MysticStrummer  +   957d ago
Weather is an added variable in the simulation that changes how the cars handle.

You can't simulate fewer aspects of racing and then call yourself the best simulator.

You just can't.

Bringing up interior views, or even exterior views, isn't an answer, either. Back on my Apple II+, I had a flight sim that could be used to log flight hours toward an actual pilot's license, and those graphics were horrible. If the driver's point of view has the camera at the right height and position in the car, that's all you need to be a sim, in terms of graphics.

Simulating the interior of the car is for mood, not weather.

Racing sim = simulating as many real world aspects of racing as possible, and specifically those that govern handling.
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moparful99  +   957d ago
So the temperature of the track has no impact on the way a car handles? Rain doesn't impact handling? Snow doesn't affect handling? Driving at night is no different than during the day? Damage has no impact on aerodynamics or handling? Seriously dude you are embarrassing yourself.. Give it up.
windblowsagain  +   957d ago
OMFG - You never said that.

Weather doesn't add anything.

Driving in rain takes skills, a dry track is much easier to find braking points, Visibility.

Even driveclub has a full weather system.

Sorry but although FORZA is a good game, it's an arcade sim.
Why o why  +   957d ago
Look people, with fox, he's like apple, if they dont have the feature they downplay it....until they get the feature then its innovative or special new. Let him be. He honestly cannot help it.
lgn15  +   957d ago
But physics is gameplay. Are you illiterate?
AnteCash  +   957d ago
They took out weather and night/day so it can run at 60fps lol.
Nextgen with less features.
Foxgod  +   957d ago
This game is too sexy for its shirt.
Gonna be the first game i pop into my Xb1.
WeAreLegion  +   957d ago
You're still going through with it, huh?

Well, God speed, Foxgod. I hope you enjoy it.
Hicken  +   957d ago
Whether he does or doesn't, I'm 100% certain he'll tell us that he does, anyway.
WeAreLegion  +   956d ago
Haha. Bubbles, man.
Animal Mutha 76  +   957d ago
I like Forza 4 but this guy is annoying. He went on and on about sorting the class system in forza 4 but it was still a half job. You can't race s700 without noobs using Lotus and the online lobbies are soooo slow.

If Forza is going to be a sim and not drift toward arcade ( which I fear it's doing) then they need to address the points about lack of weather, day/night cycle etc. To not include these features in a next gen game is shocking and gives GT more credibility as a more complete simulation.

Forza 5 IMO has been commissioned by MS to be a pretty poster game to help sell X1. I'm worried that they are going for style over substance.
PSjesus  +   957d ago
Forza is very good action racing game on the same par with NFS and Grid .... but man you shouldn't compare it to GT that's totally out of your league
hey at least you got Drivatar that's something
pete007  +   957d ago
Gt5 is crappy environments, low texture assets, needed 50 patches To be playable and those famous 10 minutes before every damn race.
josephayal  +   957d ago
Forza 5 sets a new bar for racing games, 60fps at full 1080p+
moparful99  +   957d ago
When did TEH GRAFIX become more important than physics and handling in a Simulation?
WeAreLegion  +   957d ago

Track Mania has been doing that for awhile now...except 1080p is a lower resolution for that game. ;)
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CRAIG667  +   957d ago
Sim this sim that, what counts for me is the enjoyment I get when playing, and I get equal enjoyment from GT5 AND Forza 4, and I see no reason why the next iterations of these titles will be any less enjoyable, at the end of the day they are games if you want the REAL deal go book a track day...

All the fanboy bickering over these 2 very similar games "my di*k's bigger than yours" is pathetic, seriously grow up.
mmj  +   957d ago
I got an email this morning saying that the power of the cloud will make my penis bigger.
CRAIG667  +   957d ago
Cloud Penis FTW.
Why o why  +   957d ago
Isn't cloud penis just a euphemism for 'porn'....
InsaneGam3r  +   957d ago
He's right. the lazy devs (Polyphony Digital) can't top Forza.
WarThunder  +   957d ago
T10 used the same game engine in FM2,3 and 4... Talk about lazy....
InsaneGam3r  +   957d ago
Correct me if I'm wrong, Polyphony Digital took 5 years to devlope GT5..... after waitting this whole time they brought GT4.5 the physics are horrible (we are takling about simulator game)

this is my point of view about simulation car games.

have a good day my good sir.
vlonjati77vlonjati  +   957d ago
GT6 demo next week baby.
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Loki86  +   957d ago
GT fanboys can enjoy their half made game that takes 5 years to build and still uses recycled GT4 models and engine sounds. Meanwhile Forza continues to put out great game after game. Top Gear physics and combined database puts this game over the top and makes it as much a sim as GT 5-6. The amount of haters to n every X1 thread trying to downplay their superior lineup is laughable. I hope PS brings it as gamescom and convinces me to get one.
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XabiDaChosenOne  +   957d ago
2010-2013=5 years? Hmmm interesting.
Loki86  +   957d ago
GT4 came out when? Then GT5 came out when? The comparison was F4 to GT5, since neither of the new games are out yet.
Belking  +   957d ago
Forza is the King. Period. Only racing game I need next gen.
ianblake  +   957d ago
cocaine is bad Dan
thehusbo  +   957d ago
Lol stfu
FunkMacNasty  +   957d ago
Okay, seriously people. If you're saying Forza motorsports games are not sim's you HAVE NOT PLAYED ANY OF THE GAMES. (Abdzine, WarThunder) That's abundantly clear by your comments.

The ironic thing is that, BOTH GAMES HAVE THE SAME "ASSISTS" AND THEY ARE ALL TURNED ON BY DEFAULT! There is NOTHING "arcade like" about the car handling and driving in a Forza Motorsport game when you turn off all the assists (which are the IDENTICAL assists as GT5!)

I'll get a million disagrees and lose bubbles, because obviously Forza Fans are a minority on this site, but if you wanna be a fanboy, fine... but you can't dispute the facts that the Forza Motorsport games are meant to be simulations. Sorry if that hurts your little Sony-enslaved heart, but it's just the truth.

The Only Forza game that is an "arcade racer" is Forza Horizon.

reality check done.
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CRAIG667  +   957d ago
WarThunder  +   957d ago
No they are not identical. Play both with a wheel (I played)... In GT5 if u make a simple mistake and do not correct the wheel on time you will spin of easily. While in FM3/4 you do not spin off even in a car like a Mustang which is known as a tail happy car...why?
Well because Forza has permanent driving aid (wheel correcting! Same as other Arcade racing games) this was also posted in Forza official forum years ago and it was talked a lot. The reply from T10 was "they will fix it" but they never did, because its the same in FM4... (even if you turn the assist off in the game option, they are still on) this video explains it perfectly.

This does not mean FM is a bad game, its a good game. For me it gets boring, because im not fan of simple turn left and right driving games with min to no breaking i not fan of racing games that do not rely on the apex.

I don't own a PS3 i sold years ago, i play PC sims like rFactor and LFS with a Wheel and the driving physics in GT is kind of similar to these PC sims. Thats why i like GranTurismo. And im gonna rebuy a ps3 only for GT6.

U people don't know anything about sim or driving a real car on track.... u play ur games with a pad and then u call it sim or arcade... Pretty childish...
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FunkMacNasty  +   956d ago
"in FM3/4 you do not spin off even in a car like a Mustang which is known as a tail happy car.."

" not fan of simple turn left and right driving games with min to no breaking i not fan of racing games that do not rely on the apex."

^^^^^ This has to be the proof that you've never played an FM game!!! Those statements are completely innacurate!!!!! "simple turn left and right with minimal to no braking??? WHAT!?!?!" I'm sorry man, but to anyone who's played FM3 or 4, it will be clear you are talking out of your rear with comments like that, and you've clearly NEVER played the game. If you have, you played it with all the assists on with a completely unmodified car.

The 'wheel correcting aid' that you are talking about is an assist that is set to 'on' by default. It can be changed to 'simulation' in the menu. Turn off the 'steering assist' (set it to 'simulation') in FM3/4 and you will NOT be able to control a high powered RWD car like the Mustang when you start to spin. You absolutely CAN overcorrect in a corner and wind up in the outfield or the wall of the track. Try not braking or not braking early enough in a FM game.. you will go straght into the wall or straight off the track. And if you have adjusted the brake balance and pressure in the tuning menu you will realize that you will need to be very careful how hard you break and when and where you brake when cornering.

Hey, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but at least PLAY and spend some time with a game before you go spouting off like that.

And before you get on your soapbox about how 'nobody here knows how a real car handles on a track", I've spent many hours and lots of money on tires that I've destroyed in autocross competitions over the last decade. Since you also seem to know what it's like to drive a real car on a track, i'm sure that you can agree with me that NEITHER FM or GT feel anything like the real thing. They portray some nice physics and some semi-accurate descriptions of what might happen in certain on-track scenarios.. but at the end of the day they both just feel like videogames. And they both provide a 'simulation' style experience in that you cant simply fly around the track doin drifts at 200 mph.
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Haules  +   956d ago
"The 'wheel correcting aid' that you are talking about is an assist that is set to 'on' by default. "

Thats what he said.Your just repeating what he said.

"It can be changed to 'simulation' in the menu. Turn off the 'steering assist' (set it to 'simulation')"

Even if you do that. Assists are still on. Thats why its called "permanent" see the video.

Forza is way more easier to drive than GT, even on simulation and steering assist turned off.
Forza is a Arcade racing with some sim features. but not a racing sim with good driving physics like GranTurismo.
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FunkMacNasty  +   956d ago
"Forza is a Arcade racing with some sim features. but not a racing sim with good driving physics like GranTurismo."

Forza is a simulation that can be tailored to an arcade experience, by tweaking the menu options for driving assists. JUST LIKE GRAN TURISMO

Folks, seriously.. the people saying Forza is an arcade racer clearly have not played the game!!!! luckily, since this is N4G and its user base is largely Sony-biased, everyone else that's never played a Forza Motorsports game can agree with each other and spout all the same incorrect information. I've spent a lot of time with Both games and they are both pretty much the same when it comes to driving physics. Don't believe me? My PS3 and 360 usernames are listed in my N4G profile, feel free to look me up and you can see all the trophies ive earned in GT5 and all the acheivements I've earned in Forza games.. I'm not just talking out of my rear.
TXIDarkAvenger  +   957d ago
This game looks really good.

But I don't know if I want to get an Xbox One. It could be history repeating itself aka strong line-up of games for at least half of the One's lifespan and then finish weak like the 360. Then again, PS3 was the complete opposite.

One better support the G27 wheel...
badboy776  +   957d ago
I had to google who this guy as. Than I said no wonder lol.
2pacalypsenow  +   957d ago
Too bad his "Power Of the cloud" won't make his game sell 10 million
d_dogg2007  +   957d ago
Forza! A poor mans Gran Turismo! Kinda like having to settle for the no name brand at the grocery store!
FunkMacNasty  +   956d ago
Except the poor man that bought Forza wound up with a vastly better variety of cars, all with completely modeled interiors and exteriors, and much more robust and dedicated online community. Oh, and way better customization options... oh, and more in-depth tuning options...oh, and better track variety... oh, and Top Gear endoresement...oh yea.. and a Free car every month from Turn 10 and very reasonably priced DLC car packs.

And the guy that settles for the "name brand" gets 500 Nissan Skylines, 300 honda civics, 200 Integra Type R's, 2 thirds of which are ported from a last gen game... oh and night driving, rain, and... carting.
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d_dogg2007  +   956d ago
Whatever makes you sleep at night? Better sim yeah right says who? Gametrailers? The same Gametrailers that has a paid sponsorhip with Microsoft? Sure I can take their opinion seriously? How about weather and day cycles? B Spec? 24h endurance? All real tracks? Nissan GT Academy? Sebastian Vettel? Universally recognized by real world car companies? G27 Wheel support? 10 million+ sales? Sit down bro your dreaming! Forza is crap for a reason, just reviewers giving it more praise to drum up support for it but everyone knows it can't compete with the Real Driving Simulator! Oh and enjoy that rewind function..yeah!
FunkMacNasty  +   955d ago
Your argument is full of holes

You have clearly NEVER played a Forza game. So you have no real experience with the game and are just flaunting your blind loyalty to Sony products (like most everyone else on N4G). Now you look like an idiot, spouting off 'facts' that you would know the answer to had you ever played a game.

If you've played Forza, you would know that it has 24hr endurance races, most of the tracks are real world tracks (Suzuka, Silverstone, Indianapolis, Laguna Seca, Positano, and a bunch of others as well.. pretty much all the same real world tracks that GT5 has.. go figure). And btw, GT5 also features fictional tracks as well.. not all those tracks are real.

Nobody is going by what any reviewer says about Forza.. (but if you look up most review sites, it scores higher than, or evenly agaist GT5). Your Gametrailers argument is weak.

Forza is compatible with a Logitech wheel.. dunno what model, but it's got a shift, clutch, and 900 degree rotation, just like the GT wheel.

"Universally recognized by real world car companies.." - not sure what you mean by this, but Forza has hundreds of real world cars, and not fictional ones, like Burnout or Ridge Racer..

Sebastial Vettel?? I'll Take Jeremy Clarkson over him anyday.

All you have left is making fun of the 'rewind function'?? really?? that's ALL you got?

To answer your first question, what 'helps me sleep at night' is knowing I'm not an ignorant fanboy, who pretends to know all about a game he's never played.
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Quisp  +   953d ago
Im a Forza fan too, but, my main problem with Forza in the past, is that the Microsoft wheel is so inferior to Logitech or any of the high-end high price wheels.
Logitech doesnt offer a wheel thats compatible with Forza. Not sure which wheel youre talking about.
The G27 is PS3 only.
Quisp  +   953d ago
An older thread, but, explains maybe what you were thinking.
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csreynolds  +   956d ago
Forza Game Director says Forza is best racer ever? I'm shocked. No, really.
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Jakens  +   956d ago
I also have a lot of respect for the GT series. But, my opinion is below.

If Gran Turismo 6 is out in 2013, then I know that GT7 will take 5 years + to come out sucking badly upon it's release and this sucky-ness that I speak of may or may not be confirmed in the year 2018. (opinion) I am so close to knowing that Forza 7 will be out by year 2018 and more fun ("fun" is also opinion)

Three Forza Games by the time I get to do my three day one patches on GT7 to even play the game and again in the year 2018. (I respect the GT series and have stated some things about it that might upset my peers.)
Quisp  +   953d ago
Im not saying I agree or disagree, but, what specifically Dan Greenawalt, are your reasons that Forza is that Master, other than the very vague "immersive,executed better, offers more" response?

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