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State Of The Game: AMD And NVIDIA Talk 4K Gaming And Why The PS4 And Xbox One Are A Downgrade

Forbes writes:

While the Xbox One and PS4 took a lion’s share of the limelight at E3, there was more to the event than the console launches and their Day One games lineups. While catching up with NVIDIA about SHIELD at E3 I also heard about some of their plans for PC gaming. Arch-rivals AMD also have plenty to say on that subject, and an AMD spokesperson took a few moments to fill me in on their perspective too.

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iGAM3R-VIII1516d ago (Edited 1516d ago )

Nvidia.....you just keep coming for more......

I understand they missed out on a great next-gen opportunity and may of been able to get rid of their competitors if they had taken it but they all wanted money.Then they hack at MS, Sony and Nvidia and keep talking ish

Nvidia really need to stop this because IMO, the X1 and PS4 isn't a downgrade, infact it is an upgrade Nvidia but your SHEILD is a current gen or downdgrade thing.

Nvidia, you missed out on a million dollar buisness and you can't keep hacking at these companies, YOU were the one who made the bad choice, not THEM

ChickeyCantor1516d ago (Edited 1516d ago )

" infact it is an upgrade Nvidia but your SHEILD is a current gen or downdgrade thing. "

It's a handheld...Why are you even comparing it to 2 BIGGER systems that need far more cooling support?

I'm pretty sure both Nvidia and AMD are working on next gen graphics cards which exceed the capabilities that of the xbox one and PS4.

The Nvidia spokesman is not even taking a jab at AMD. He is stating the obvious. Consoles are bump in performance. Meanwhile both companies continue developing new and better models which will always outperform the specs in a console.

On the bright side of things, consoles have one specification. Developers can optimize their code far more efficiently.

Justinakach0ppa1515d ago

"I'm pretty sure both Nvidia and AMD are working on next gen graphics cards which exceed the capabilities that of the xbox one and PS4."

Most of the high end cards on pc from both companies already do that by a significant margin.

Mr Tretton1515d ago

"I'm pretty sure both Nvidia and AMD are working on next gen graphics cards which exceed the capabilities that of the xbox one and PS4."

lol, they've already existed for a few years. The consoles are not bleeding edge.

ChickeyCantor1515d ago

@justin &Tretton,

Of course! I was just pointing out the obvious. If the cards already outperform those graphics cards, then imagine the performance by new models.

The_Con-Sept1514d ago (Edited 1514d ago )

From me to Nvidia:
Too bad so sad. I'll be enjoying my PS4 while ATI enjoys rolling around in my money.

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aquamala1516d ago

did you not read the article? the spokesperson for AMD/Nvidia said the same things

"You can do 4K gaming right now with the games that are out there now. So on the PC continues to lead and really define the leading edge of gaming. "

"With this next generation, at least what’s been released so far in terms of specs, it doesn’t look like they’re going to close the gap with PC this time.”AMD concurs. AMD’s spokesperson told me: “A lot more people have been taking a look at the PC and saying ‘Oh wait, I can get better graphics over here. "

keabrown791515d ago

and you can also pay 3 times the price.

Kurylo3d1515d ago (Edited 1515d ago )

@keabrown79

You say that, but have u actualyl checked. I can build a better computer then ps4 right now for about $600. In fact newegg.com if you dont beleive me. See i back up my statements with facts. Not fanboy wishful thinking.

And obviously like the amd guy said himself... u can do a lot more with a computer other then gaming as well. Little more bang for your buck.

grimmweisse1515d ago

@Kurylo3d

Regardless of it being $600, it's still more expensive. Console gaming is cost effective gaming, period. PCs will always have the edge because its upgradable.

Although $600 for a gaming PC is not too bad, but try running Metro Last light on max settings on a $600 PC, it can't be done. There are pros and cons to both sides.

Rubberlegs1515d ago

While you will pay more for a good PC build ($600 is very midrange), you end saving so much more in cost of games in the long if you go digital. You can get new released games for just about half the price and the price of them come down even faster compared console versions.
You don't have to worry about backwards compatible issues either no matter what hardware changes you do to your system.

GamePeace1515d ago

I don't need a PC and 4k for my Ps4 exclusives like The Last Guardian, The Order, new God of War, probably many other games of Japan Studios and so on...

MWH1515d ago

"PC mustard race, consoles can't ketchup" nice one.

Kleptic1515d ago (Edited 1515d ago )

kurylo3d...

interesting...as i just finished building a pc, all parts from newegg, literally yesterday afternoon...finished price was just over $900 including a $120 IPS 24" monitor, windows 8, and a new wireless keyboard...I used a Fractal case i already had too by the way...the only truly performance oriented part that price range got me, was a 120gb samsung 840 SSD...

so for arguments sake, say you already have a monitor, peripherals, etc...I still went way over $600, and ended up well short of the new consoles... it'll play some games, but no 'next gen' stuff at 1080p...this setup would limp BF3 along at 30fps on high settings @ sub full HD, not something generally acceptable...

$600 will not get the power supply, the apu, or especially...the dedicated card you'd need to exceed the PS4 or even xbox one...let alone the upgrades to cooling required to go with it...I do have 16gb of 2133mhz ram, which helps tremendously with the Radeon HD equipped richland apu (over 1600mhz i mean)...but richland or ivy bridge, without a dedicated card, aren't close to the apu of the new consoles...these graphics solutions won't even max out games from 2011...

so just saying...I definitely could build a pc right now that would toast the new consoles, at least in most aspects...but you sure as shat can not do it for the phantom '$600' the 'go build your own pc' crowd loves to throw around...you're easily looking at $1000+ to match them right now, and you still won't have the same memory bandwidth of the ps4...

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meetajhu1515d ago

Consoles go true 1080p and PC's go 4k. Nvidia is always right

3-4-51515d ago

For 70% of games....Having a controller is an upgrade.

Mouse & Keyboard is great for games like Age of Empires, Total War, Sims, C&C, Starcraft, any FPS game and most strategy games, flying games.

But there are so many games that just wouldn't be fun with mouse and keyboard.

Graphics aren't everything.

I just had a new PC built and love it. Can't wait for Total War: Rome 2, but I still could never play half the games on my 3DS or PSP or Xbox 360 on my PC....it just wouldn't work out.

Differences are good. Gaming on my 3DS is different than console and PC...It's also different than PSP, another handheld.

PSP is different than PC and xbox360 and so on...

I love all their differences.

I don't want one device to play them all. That would be dumb generic and boring.

sorane1515d ago

I have 4x wireless 360 pads on my pc that take ZERO setup. In fact PC has more controller options than any system.....

Krew_921515d ago

You get used to it after a while. I've played Grand Theft Auto IV with mouse and keyboard, and I did well enough.

I know some games would handle like trash with mouse and keyboard, such as driving games where pressure sensitive triggers are almost a must.

I just hook up my PlayStation 3 controller though (with no extra charges i.e buying dongles and such), it's really that simple.

starchild1515d ago (Edited 1515d ago )

Speak for yourself. I would love for one device to play all of my games. The only reason I buy consoles is to play the exclusives.

Of course I would rather play those games on my PC with better graphics and better framerates...and more importantly, in the same place as all my other games.

Imagine if we had to buy 8 different dvd and blu-ray players just to watch all of our favorite movies? It would suck. Yet that is exactly what we have to put up with in gaming. And you cheer it? Sad.

I cheer the amazing variety in games that we get these days, but I don't cheer the fragmented market we have to deal with.

gapecanpie1515d ago (Edited 1515d ago )

In a way they are right tho the ps3 and xbone do have a crappy low end gpu.

**Edit** PC gaming in the long run is way more cost efficient. The games on pc are 30% cheaper and you don't have to pay to play online like you have to do with the ps4 and xbone. I might still get a ps4 but I know most of my gaming will be done on my gaming pc im going to build, I cant wait!!!

webeblazing1515d ago

actually both amd and nvidia was downplaying consoles in this article

yeahokchief1515d ago

@tretton novelty account

i dont want bleeding edge. $400 sounds good to me.

if i wanted bleeding edge then i'd get a pc. and the only reason i'd want bleeding edge would be for a game that required it of which there currently are none.

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CaulkSlap1516d ago

4k gaming... Yeah that is further off from mainstream than 1080p was when PS3/360 launched. Gonna be a few years until prices will be reasonable. It would be nuts to try and make console games supporting that resolution right now. 1080p with good AA and refined post processing effects is a fine place to be for the next 5 years or so.

Yeah we all know PC hardware is already ahead and will only get better. But my GPUs each cost as much as a PS4. Let alone the rest of the system. PS4 (and to a lesser extent XB1) give a damned good value to power on hardware. I'm mostly just glad new consoles will step up the baseline for developers so they'll move past designing around PS3/360's limitations.

wishingW3L1516d ago

4k monitors are expensive as hell and the specs required for it are quite high too.

hellvaguy1515d ago (Edited 1515d ago )

2500x1400 resolution is semi-affordable on a pc and an upgrade from 1080p.

Muerte24941515d ago

that's not 4k. IT's actually more like 2k. PC hardware sales have been in the tank for quite some time. So all of this is kinda irrelevant. But not too long after ps3 and Xbox360 launched, true 1080p gaming was available on PC.

Nocando1515d ago

Yet they always come up with these low prices to build it. I shopped online at new egg and built a core i7 with 16 gig of ram, a one tb hd, one hd 7850 card, and a 24 inch monitor. $1300.00, and Dark Souls runs pretty crappy in 1080p. Been at this for awhile, so don't try feeding me this 600 dollar rig that plays it all crap.

Kleptic1515d ago (Edited 1515d ago )

^exactly...

i just built a pc over the weekend too, all from parts sourced from new egg...for whatever reason, pc elitists throw around $600 like you get this end all be all of pc gaming with it...not even close...

I paid over $900, but didn't reuse anything but a simple 3 fan empty case i already had from work (which is only $40, so didn't save a ton anyway)...

with a Asus A85M-Pro MB, AMD richland apu, 16gb 2133 GDDR3, 120gb SSD, 1TB 7200rpm HDD, BD/DVD reader/writer (only $50) 450w PS, no additional fans other than the one preinstalled in the case, Asus 24" IPS monitor, and some random logi keyboard peripherals and stuff...

just under $1k before shipping...NO dedicated gfx card yet...and all of this, other than the SSD, is very budget minded stuff...on nearly every part i chose, there wasn't anything significantly cheaper..and if it was, it was completely obsolete...

so corrections need to be laced through this website...$600 will get you a PC...NOT a pc that can play video games...$1000 and you're starting to get somewhere, but you'll still need several hundred more before you're close to new consoles...and again, this is all 'building it yourself'...home pc builders will save hundreds on stupid crap that gets marked up by sites like Dell, etc...like blu ray players/burners, usb 3.0, total memory...things like that...but as soon as you start looking into hardware for playing video games, its just dollar signs left and right... no matter who the hell is building it...

hellvaguy1515d ago

Why are u guys factoring in the monitor price into pc builds? Does that mean I should factor in a 55" led tv to my console price?

Kleptic1515d ago

^no one is including the cost of a monitor...the point was that just in internal pc hardware...you're way over $600 BEFORE you even have a screen to display it...

you CAN NOT get a mb, cpu/gpu, memory, drives, ps, etc...all new...for anywhere near the cost of a next gen console...in the case of the ps4; you'll quickly be doubling that cost...and still won't have a decent case, decent monitor...facking windows...etc...that is all we were getting at...pc fanatics post this $600 number everywhere...yeah, that'll play half life 2 just fine...thats about it...

webeblazing1515d ago

@Nocando
you say its not cheap and paid for a i7 and 16 gig ram(16 GIG RAM) and monitor you and use any lcd tv. i never played dark souls on pc but my pc is less powerful than yours under 500 maybe even 400 and i can run mostly all of games on the highest settings (except some dx11 settings not at 1080) at 1080p im not getting 60fps the games that i have to play with setting til its to my liking is the usual power house games metro bf3 witcher2 etc

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aquamala1516d ago

Seiki announced a 39 inch 4k tv for $700 and 50inch for $1080

http://gizmodo.com/this-39-...
http://gizmodo.com/wow-a-4k...

CaulkSlap1516d ago

Ah okay never mind that happened quickly. Still a couple years off for mainstream sales and native 4k content though. I was thinking more 30" 4k monitors for PC gaming that would actually use the resolution. Those are still in the $5,000 range.