DailyGame: "The issue of hardware is completely moot in the next generation. ...By making hardware almost a side conversation, Microsoft is in a history-be-damned position to win the next generation."
Microsoft does not have a hardware advantage. Where do these sites get these things from? On the contrary, PS4 is the one with the GDDR5 advantage.
Learn how to read.
Even if it weren't for the PS4's vastly superior hardware, it would be PS4's advantage due to the fact that Sony owns ALL their exclusives. Sony have Naughty Dog, Guerrilla, Sucker Punch, Team ICO, Polyphony Digital, Media Molecule, Santa Monica, Evolution, Quantic Dream, and others on their side. Next they're going to acquire Ready At Dawn. Who does Microsoft have? 343? That studio was created for Halo, so expect a lot more Halo. Titanfall and Dead Rising belong to 3rd parties. Sony's games will never appear on any other platform. Couple this with the PS4 being $100 cheaper. Never thought I'd see a website praise TV features but hey, look who it is, dailygame.net.
I would say that Microsoft, having a "Defacto" software advantage over Sony like this story states, is not a fact like this story tries to claim for the game console market. because if anything Sony has invested quite a lot of Money into their software and services.
LOL... I find comments like this "Even if it weren't for the PS4's vastly superior hardware" quite funny. The way fanboys talk it looks like the PS4 is 100 times faster then the X1. It only demonstrates they don't understand nothing about hardware. Yes on paper the PS4 looks faster then the X1... but saying "vastly superior hardware" is quite a stretch.
@fermcr 1.84tflops is vastly superior to 1.23tflops (about 50%) 7GB GDDR5 RAM dedicated to games is vastly, VASTLY superior to 5GB DDR3 RAM dedicated to games. http://www.amd.com/Publishi... I don't like these kind of comparisons, but I don't think that it is a stretch over here. Things are clear for me
@ fermcr, I enjoy reading comments like that, because It was really funny reading 360 fanboys comments in the past, claiming It was impossible for Sony to make superior hardware because they couldn't afford it. Look how that turned out.
LOL. and he still has more likes that dislikes. Goes to show how much the content of the article actually matters around here. Disclaimer: it doesn't.
@fermcr: "it only demonstrates they don't understand nothing about hardware." Are you implying that you understand hardware? If so please read this and come back to discussion when you're done: http://www.gamasutra.com/vi...
Quote from the article, after reading it I understand what he means. "Unless a manufacturer is willing to pony up for an exclusive, game engines will pander to the lowest common hardware denominator".
"if Hardware’s Irrelevant" Except it is relevant...so....
This is another article comparing software from each machine, yes microsoft does focus on software but so does sony, the only difference thus far is that microsoft is willing to pay huge money for exclusive games and content timed exclusive or not. Sony does not and stand strong behind that. You make your decision on what games you play and what interests you more in what console has to offer, if you are a multi console owner like myself these issues are irrelevant but if you can only get one choose wisely and don't follow the masses cause it the cool thing to do!
What is the difference in buying a studio for millions, or paying a studio millions for an exclusive game? Absolutely nothing. But, buying studio after studio kind of makes it seem as if you're trying to form a monopoly, and we dont like monopolies around here do we?
How many times has sony paid rockstar, activision, ea etc. etc. huge sums of money for timed exclusive content? How is that good for business? These strategies is what caused the breakup at Microsoft as a monopoly years back. Give me one good reason why their deep pockets are beneficial to non xbox gamers? Investing in a studio is a smart business move and as a company you should seize the opportunity, my problem is buying content from multiplat devs/publishers and keeping all gamers out of the loop!
Buying an exclusive game, and paying for exclusive content (which Sony does also), is different. I see nothing wrong with buying an exclusive game. I hate having different content on both platforms. It's stupid. As far as timed content goes, it has never bothered me personally, because I own both systems ADD TO THE FACT THE ONLY SERIES I HAVE PURCHASED CONTENT FOR IS MASS EFFECT. But I can see how it would piss alot of people off. But there must be some type of payoff if they keep doing it. I'm not agreeing with the practice, I'm agreeing with you, but we dont see the business behind it.
Agreed and that is my only gripe with Microsoft.
Someone here doesn't understand what a monopoly is or how game publishing works. It's like calling Chevrolet a monopoly for patenting the Camaro.
No! actually it's not, it's more like wanting to buy a flowmaster exhaust but you can't because for 6 months to 1 year flowmaster is only exclusive to the camaro. That's more of a comparison, a camaro is chevy's brand. I'm sure many mustang owners who are fans of flowmaster would be pissed.
(from the article) "whenever software and services come into play, Microsoft has a fantastic track record" Services? Yes, Microsoft has a pretty good track-record there, especially within the Xbox brand. Software? Absolutely not. A lot of their long-running studios were shut down (Ensemble, FASA) and if you need an example of their software support, look no further than Kinect on the 360. It has been nearly three years since the "revolution in motion controls" began and we have yet to see a SINGLE worthwhile "core" game for Kinect.
Not trying to be an ass here, but have we seen s SINGLE worthwhile "core" game for EyeToy? PLAYSTATION Eye? I ask because everyone seems to single out KINECT as if its a failed piece of a hardware. If I'm not mistaken it is vastly superior when compared to your average webcam, or PLAYSTATION Eye for that matter. While we're at it, is the PLAYSTATION Eye still included with the purchase of the PS4 console? If it is then MSGV will be quite the experience on the PS4 and XB1. If it isn't then what was the purpose of integrating the light strip on the back of our DualShock controllers? if every console owner won't be able to take advantage of the integrated move capabilities because their package lacked the PSEYE. Furthermore, the only game I recall being interesting with my Eye Toy was Eye of Judgement. Hopefully the PS4 or KINECT takes advantage of similar concepts...like Yu-Gi-Oh or Magic the Gathering
But Kinect is a piece of hardware, not software. Software is needed to make a piece of hardware run.
That's a whole lot of harping on Eyetoy, considering it always was and always will be a peripheral. Sony never hyped it to the level MS has hyped kinect.That's the difference.
And with GPU also.
Sony is the place to play offline campaing great story games, amazing single player campaigns. xbox one/ xbl is the place to play ,sports games, multiplayer shooters etc period. hardware aside people are just neglecting the XBL is 50 million strong and been growing for 12 years, and has more money behind it, its why PS plus perks are so good, the online service and infrastructure is crap.
LEARN HOW TO READ MORON " Microsoft’s Advantage if Hardware’s Irrelevant" IF keyword IF hardware Is Irrelevant dumb troll
"the issue of hardware is completely moot in the next generation of consoles" "Both the PS4 and Xbox One are powerful machines, to the point that they essentially cancel one another out." No 'ifs' there. Terrible article.
In terms of hardware Sony can't compete with Microsoft, Microsoft as a company is built around software and Sony is a hardware company at heart. Example, have you ever picked up a Sony laptop and notice its running a Windows OS???
xbox1 has no advantages of ps4, while some will say the tv features but i can do most of that with a smart tv. ps4 will have hulu, netflix, amazon, and will also stream music and movies. and we all know that history favors that sony will have more exclusives through out its life cycle
some great info on xbox one cloud service in Titian fall http://www.respawn.com/news...
Terrible article, very convoluted. Its too early to make any determination on either system.
Lets get one thing straight: multiplatform games look the same regardless of hardware capabilities becauseitis far easierand more costeffective to develop one game and port than making two console specific games from the ground up. Also the hardware doesn't equal each other out. There is a big difference between the ram in each console which will show in multitasking...... A big issue for Microsoft is the price with little to reasoning why it is $100 more. Is the inclusion of the kinect really worth being more?
its because of the kinect,TV tuner,and the licensing of blu ray which is coowned by Sony.
Don't forget you also get 12 month live with the console to where with the PS4 you need to buy the PS+ on top.
Where did you get this information from?
You only get the XBL is you get the Day one launch edition.Which is in very, very short supply.
For me it is. I would gladly pay $100 more but i fear that ~50% less of processing power and ~40% less of memory will make too much of a difference in gfx quality. Even if it will be visible only in exclusives. For me even ps4 is much to weak and i would prefer to spend $800 on much more potent console.
have you seen ryse, forza 5 and quantumbreak, howabout that black tusk game. All these games are looking great and its just going to improve later on. imagine the difference between cod 2 and gears of war. If you think that ryse looks amazing just wait till you see halo 5 or whatever they call it, if the dark sorcer maxs out the one, so what, ill be happy with that.
I agree that MS is trying to make hardware a side conversation, but that's because they know they've been outclassed again. Hardware still matters, and Sony has the edge again. The cloud, as used for remote computation, is still a long way off because of the existing internet infrastructure. The Forza cloud feature they showed at E3 was nothing that couldn't be done with this generation's network tech. It's a cool idea, but the cloud isn't needed for it to work. We don't know what use Titanfall will make of the cloud. We just have the claim that it will. According to the article below, the options for cloud computation are very limited. http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
So what happens when Sony allows cloud computation on Gaikai? What advantage other than TV does XB1 have left?
From what I've read, the only real tech advantage One has is it's camera, but PS4's camera isn't bad either so I don't know how much of an advantage it is. As for Gaikai, I think Sony will be just as hampered by the reality of the world's internet infrastructure as Microsoft will be.
Get a life gaikai is shit cloud been out ages ago Microsoft spending milions on cloud not shitty service like gaikai no one knew about it since Sony bought it
umm dont you think the fact the cloud will allow all multiplats to have dedicated servers are a great reason as opposed to sony p2p for its multiplats? Titanfall uses cloud for dedicated servers for big multiplayer games as well as advanced ai and physics- thatmuch is confirmed- and they state they have not even scratched the surface of cloud. But seriously? sony fanboys dont care for dedicated servers? when i get x1 i am paying for dedicated servers. and sony are making ppl pay to play online with p2p connections- i mean aren't you guys opposed to that?
I don't think I said one word against dedicated servers, but since you brought it up... It's still going to matter where those dedicated servers are in relation to the user, and the connection between the user and those servers will be the most important thing of all in the equation. The cloud gives no inherent advantage in regard to dedicated servers.
Sigh, Sony fanboys huh? Wonder what that makes you... The PS3 had more games that used dedicated servers than Xbox 360 games. The vast, and I do mean vast amount of multiplayer games were hosted by the developer. Early on, there was a noticeable difference between the online offerings on the PS3 and Xbox 360, but now that difference is NEARLY moot. Microsoft is promising 300,000 servers (virtual), but they are not there yet. I don't know how many they have now, nor do I know when Microsoft will reach 300,000; but I do know that Sony is investing money in servers as well and expect there to be pretty similar ping and latency for players on PS4 and Xbox One. The XB1 might again have a slight advantage, but I personally doubt it will be enough to sway anybody. Anyways, the point I'm making is stop being such a fanboy yourself and act a little bit more mature.
@ mcscroogs/mystic strummer sony makes servers for first party games lol not 3rd party- on x1 every developer has accces to the cloud to allow dedicated servers for not only first party games but 3rd party games as well. Are you telling me sony will pay and set up dedicated servers for 3rd party studios that are multiplat?sony doesnt have the time or money to do something like that. Sony's gakai cloud is a 300 million dollar cloud stream service- microsoft is a 9 billion dollar cloud service that has multiple applications. slight advantage? well if you like p2p- be my guest but players that like online competitive multiplayer will look at msoft's dedicated servers for the best experience. Where are their servers located? well with one of the worlds largest cloud service (along with google and amazon) i dont think i would be too worried. I am sorry but all i have said are facts. xbox live gold just better with dedicated servers while sony sneaks pay to play online? Go praise sony for your brandnew feature in your ps+ subscription- the requirement to play online. Im no fanboy but i have to give points to msoft where its warranted because sony's online infrastructure is lagging compared to x1 as it looks right now. sure 360 did not have much support in dedicated servers- but with msoft integrating cloud into x1, the service will be phenomenal.
None of which counters what I said above... Yes, dedicated servers are good, but the main issue will always be where those servers are in relation to the user and how good the user's connection is to those servers.
He's one advantage of many that PS4 has over XB1. A single and focused vision. MS have to rework a lot of things now because of their drm change. This system was built with this in mind. Millions of dollars and hours upon hours of R&D were thrown out the window.
Cersei Lannister: [pours herself wine and sits] We still outnumber them. Robert Baratheon: Which is the bigger number, five or one? Cersei Lannister: Five. Robert Baratheon: [holds up his left fingers] Five... Robert Baratheon: [clutches his right fist] ... one. One army, a real army, united behind one leader with one purpose. Our purpose died with the Mad King.
Yeah that's what really boggles my mind MS just doing a 180 on a philosophy they built for the xbone. It really makes it harder to trust them on any stance they take as they can easily change it
It's all about the software and services. Power doesn't guarantee anything.
Try running Crysis 3 on 5 year old PC and then say power doesn't guarantee anything. It obvious to me that M$ is stuggling to justify the extra $100 for an inferior system, So they instead try colouring the water and hope we don't notice
It's not inferior...lol Is ps3 inferior to xbox360 even though it can't do cross game chat? You see how that goes. PS4 is not superior to xbox-one. We haven't seen any proof of that whatsoever. On paper and performance is two different things. Xbox is the superior of the two when it come to technology though. Cloud powered, HDMI in, latest in camera tech, dedicated server support and 3 operating systems which allows smooth transitioning from one to the other. I say the extra 100 dollars is well worth it. Sony may be 100 cheaper but ms kills them in functionality and tech.
Exactly go run Crysis 3 on a PC with lets say 40% less power and then came back here talking bout how its not that big a difference, or how you cant tell.
I can't help thinking that you are looking through rose tinted Glasses at the XBOX1 if you think that a 1.2 Tflop GPU and ddr 3 RAM is superior Tech to a 1.8Tflop GPU and ddr5 RAM and for that KINECT what you refer to as lastest camera tech, it has no really place in terms of a GAMING sence, UNLESS you like to play dancing games that is.
Yeah, right, say that to wii u
Say the to the PS3 & 360 when the Wii crushed this current gen, Software sells consoles.
@wiz7191 Wii crushed this gen because it launched at $249.99 while xbox 360 was at $499.99 and PS3 at $599.99 Awful point of comparison
I think its all about games. Like it always was. Not tv series/shows/services. There already too many deferent type of TV boxes around. And the author forgot about that. For me software = games.
Playstation's whole game lineup was LAME. Microsoft didn't do much better either. Again it seems like all the good games are coming to both with the exception of Titanfall. Which means it comes down to whether you prefer skype and xbox live to PSN and their game chat.
more games to be revealed though.
Yeah there's going to be nothing to play. :( /s PS4 Announced Titles: Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag Battlefield 4 Call of Duty: Ghosts DriveClub FIFA 14 Killzone: Shadow Fall Knack Madden NFL 25 NBA 2K14 NBA Live 14 Need for Speed Rivals Watch_Dogs Warframe [Free-to-Play] The Witness Basement Crawl Blacklight: Retribution [Free-to-Play] Carmageddon: Reincarnation Contrast The Crew Cyberpunk 2077 DC Universe Online [Free-to-Play] Daylight Deep Down Destiny Diablo III Doki-Doki Universe [Free-to-Play] Don’t Starve Dragon Age: Inquisition Dying Light The Elder Scrolls Online The Evil Within Final Fantasy XIV Final Fantasy XV Galak-Z Hohokum inFAMOUS: Second Son Just Dance 2014 Kingdom Hearts 3 LEGO Marvel Superheroes Lords of the Fallen Mad Max Mercenary Kings Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain Mirror's Edge 2 Octodad: Dadliest Catch Oddworld: Abe’s Oddysee New N Tasty The Order: 1886 Outlast The Pinball Arcade Planetside 2 [Free-to-Play] Primal Carnage: Genesis Ray's the Dead Rainbow 6: Patriots Rocketbirds 2: Evolution Secret Ponchos Shadow Warrior Silent Enemy Skylanders Swap Force Sniper Elite 3 Star Wars: Battlefront Super Motherload Super Stardust (Untitled) Thief Tiny Brains Tom Clancy's The Division Transistor Trials Fusion UFC The Walking Dead: Season 2 War Thunder: Ground Forces [Free-to-Play] Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Wolfenstein: The New Order
I was talking about Playstation's and Microsoft exclusives. The other games don't really matter because they are available on both consoles and pc.
I highly doubt you know what would be the game lineup for both systems come launch day. There are many more games that have not been revealed yet for both consoles. Read: Both. If you are comparing and making up your mind about LAME game lineup for a particular console when there are still a few major gaming venues such as Gamescom and Tokyo Game Show left, then you are but a blind fool. Even more foolish would be the fact that you said with the exception of Titanfall, which will also be available for the PC (later on the PS4, it is made by Electronic Arts!) Despite what anybody says, with both systems consisting of many similar components (AMD CPU, GPU, X86-64 architecture) the PS4 has a clear advantage that will show itself in games (More available system memory to devs of faster memory, more available CPU cores, better GPU core with more ROPs, ACE, Compute Units etc) With both systems running on modified PC components and with PC games being made to run on all sorts of configuration, if one were to take the same game and play it on the minimum system requirement and then play the same game on its recommended system requirement, the same game will look and play a lot better on the latter. It is not too farfetched to understand then that game developers would then simply let their game engine scale themselves accordingly, and in this case in favor of the PS4 with its advantage in available system resources and better hardware as stated above.
After the holidays both consoles will flip the switch on drm.
If hardware is irrelevant what is better? Stone in the wood or xbox one? I vote for stone...
N4g i love you guys but this articles are getting to old
I actually love these articles. People start trying to rationalize Microsoft's decisions. Just reverse the concept and would we get the exact same story? Nope. If Microsoft's console was more powerful would they have written this crap and come to Sony's defense? Not a chance.
So agree. These articles are just weird.
"History has repeatedly shown that the market leader loses the next generation" Has it??????
Lolz at the fanboys acting like a 40% power advantage is nothing and saying crap like " we wont notice, multi plat games will run the same, the cloud will make up the difference ( keep dreaming ) look at 360 vs PS3 " Ask any independent dev if GGDR5 memory is the same to GGDR3 and more of it to boot. This is not same as 360 vs PS3 kids, this is like a brand newgaming PC vs one that came out 9 months ago. Denile is not just a river in Egypt. Maybe you kids should put down the controller for 10 mins and do some research first.