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Sony's PlayStation 4 is running modified FreeBSD 9

It's been exposed that the operating system powering the PlayStation 4 is Orbis OS, which is a Sony spin of FreeBSD 9.0. It's not a huge surprise FreeBSD is being used over Linux, in part due to the more liberal licensing.

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Pancakegaki1631d ago (Edited 1631d ago )

The keyword is modified!
Sony did the most awesome job possible to make the OS of the PS4 as efficient as possible, rocketing it beyond the competition.

7GB available for games!

B-radical1631d ago

Didn't know you have used the ps4 niceeeeeeeeeee

justastranger101631d ago

I don't trust Sony's Operating Systems. I would rather go with Windows. If Sony OS is so good why are all the OS on Vita, PS3, ps2, terrible? They don't even make OS for PCs.

Transporter471630d ago

Um the VITA OS, PS3 OS, PS2 OS, none of them are terrible... you serious?

grimmweisse1630d ago

You are clueless stranger. Sony's OS for their systems work fine for their intended purpose, gaming. No need for windows because they are not running a fully fledged PC, and why would they. There are far better OSs out there that cater to modifying interfaces and user experiences over a windows OS, especially for a gaming system's UI.

"They don't even make OS for PC", so what? Neither does Nintendo, but they are a GAMING company successful. Since when do you need to have a windows OS to be good!

Stop pulling at straws and making something of a non-issue.
Btw, the Vita OS is great, fast, smooth, nice UI and multitasking is a breeze.

59fifty1630d ago

@grim
it's 2013, buddy. yes it's a gaming console, but there are 100$ tablets with better os and ui than ps3 or vita's. i love my ps3, but its ancient. and the vita's is too kiddy. ps4 look promising though.

Athonline1630d ago

@justastranger10

FreeBSD 9 is not a Sony developed OS. FreeBSD is in development for years, by the BSD community, as a complete open-source OS (kernel code is kept on same SVN repo as the rest of the code, unlike Linux distributions).

It is one of the most secure and reliable OSes when it comes to networking functions, with lots of derivatives used by companies for internal and external products. A good example is Nokia's firewall, Panasonic's TVs, etc etc use a "micro-Kernel" of the OS.

Parts of FreeBSD are integrated inside OS X, especially in the OS X Server edition.

Windows OSes are too "heavy" for an embedded device. In fact all my years in the IT industry, no serious IT consultant/ infrastructure designer takes Windows seriously in networking-related applications, other than mail-service and using Windows Server for a centralise intranet for the non-IT people. Plus it would be illogical for Sony to pay licence fees...

BTW Sony internally, as I was told by some IBM colleagues of mine, Sony with IBM developed a major part of Yellow Dog (derivative of Red Hat) Linux OS.

Athonline1630d ago

@59fifty

I agree with you about PS3 UI. Their back-end OSes are solid, stable, but their UI design is awful.

I think Sony lately changed their design team, as their phone's UI, PS Store and now PS4''s UI are waaaaay better -following a more "flat" and yet "colourful" approach.

peowpeow1630d ago

PS3 OS annoyed me at times. Pretty sure it was down to the limited RAM, I would've been happy had everything loaded instantly, ps button etc.

PS4 UI should be good

grimmweisse1630d ago (Edited 1630d ago )

The PS3 came out in 2006, tablets later with more modifiable OSs after. If you going to compare like for like then at least make sure the dates are relative. It's easy making comparisons when things are not relative to each other.

Plus the the PS3's UI is probably held back by the limited ram on the system.

Lykon1630d ago

windows is utter shite.

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Pancakegaki1631d ago (Edited 1631d ago )

Pancakegaki got access to the ps4 early on, developing Doa for it, with most realistic flapjack physics ever seen.

bganci1631d ago

Did you just refer to yourself in third person lol?

teknx1631d ago (Edited 1631d ago )

Pancakegaki-san, can you share any details on Raiden's next Maple Gear Syrup title: FlapJack's Revenge?

badz1491631d ago

what happened to Cookiegaki? really miss him

Pancakegaki1631d ago

Pancakegaki is the dough formerly known as cookiegaki.

What happened is, cookiegaki was so blown away by the Ps4 reveal, that cookiegaki slammed into the wall, and flattened into pancakegaki.

badz1491631d ago

awesome!

there so many things I wanna learn about the "pastries"gaki clan. crushed Cookie becomes Pancake...that's a good start! :-)

Crazyglues1631d ago (Edited 1631d ago )

@Pancakegaki
awesome!

LMAO...! Thank you for making me laugh.. (bubbles for you)- I can now start my day with a smile...

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nix1631d ago

lol. the comment thread!!!

madpuppy1630d ago

Pancakegaki? Cookiegaki, I miss Pizzagaki the most!

Lykon1629d ago

lovely, cute and amazing. I love cookie and pancake dough.

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mistertwoturbo1631d ago

bwahahaha I remember Cookiegaki, damn I've been here too long

InMyOpinion1631d ago

Don't forget Pizzagaki :)

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pixelsword1631d ago (Edited 1631d ago )

lol This is like the weird part of youtube.

The Great Melon1631d ago (Edited 1631d ago )

You and me both. Been following this website for almost 6 years now. 0_o Nice to see some of the old recognizable people show their face every once in a while.

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Simon_Brezhnev1631d ago

Oh i remember you you had a similar name some years ago. I think it was Pizzagaki or something.

3-4-51631d ago

Even if it was only 2 GB for games....that is still 4x what we have now this gen.

BlackKnight1631d ago

It has been almost 7-8 years. I would hope we got more than 4x the ram. Especially with how cheap it is these days.

thechosenone1631d ago

holy..that was all kinds of awesome. lol

joefrost001631d ago

Kids
Gotta love them LOL

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coolmast3r1631d ago

This thing is super fast and efficient, unlike 3 XBONE's operating systems.

bganci1631d ago (Edited 1631d ago )

Uhh is there a video showing the efficiency of either Operating Systems?

Mikeyy1631d ago

No, because MS FAKED it on stage.

Which does NOT bode well for performance at release.

bganci1631d ago (Edited 1631d ago )

@Extermin8or Link Please

Also because it was faked on stage makes it a worse Operating System?

Being on Stage you take a lot of risks doing a live demo and does not represent the experience you will receive at home.

fr0sty1631d ago

Here's one showing how laggy Xbone's currently is. It was so laggy the girl actually had to make a comment about "we still have 7 months".

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

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BlackKnight1631d ago

There is only X1 footage so far that I know. And from what I have seen it switches from anything in about a second at most once you finish a voice command. That is pretty quick considering that is two things in one second (xbox analyzes what you said, once it does, it executes whatever you told it to do, which also takes time).

I have no idea why coolmast3r says it X1 is slow. Hell the X1 is dedicating more of the hardware to the OS than the PS4 (bad for games, good for OS and other non-game functions).

Can't have it both ways. The more hardware dedicated to the OS, the faster it will run...

Amazingmrbrock1631d ago

It's running windows kernel. It's obviously not going to be winning in any efficiency races thats for sure.

FamilyGuy1631d ago (Edited 1631d ago )

Frosty's video is heavily edited by wired to look better for MS, notice all the times it cuts instead of just showcasing a continuous stream of it's response time?

It doesn't really matter though, once it's out and in the hands of consumers that's when it'll matter. It'll be reviewed at that time as well with true comparisons of what they showed (the idea, their dream) and what it really does at launch.

We all know early adopters are basically charged, open-beta testers for any new hardware.

bradleejones1631d ago

@fox2
yes, nice presentation and she did seem to be very proud.I didn't notice any lag at all. I personally still am not planning on paying $500 to talk to my tv to do things my cable box already does or Skype that my phone and laptop already do. But you certainly can't say that was laggy or a bad presentation.

andibandit1631d ago

@frosty
You say "currently" and then quote someone saying 7 months to go.........didnt know xbone was releasing in 2014.......

Ju1630d ago

There's no lag? Really? Well, then. Enjoy you new X-Yawn...

Qrphe1630d ago

All of MS's operating systems run on the ancient NT kernel, which is well-known to fragment a lot (MS should have worked on a new kernel by now). FreeBSD is a lot more efficient and modern than NT.

Bladesfist1630d ago

I love how in the link the highest rated comment is a crazy PS fanboy.

"No you dumbass, Sony is required by law to encrypt credit cards and PSN account details. Nothing is stored in plain text. The hackers cracked the encryption algorithms using the power of the PS3 to help to so. Same thing happened to me on Xbox live where a leak was just released in which millions of accounts were stolen."

The PS3 can now bruteforce 128 bit encryption...

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dcbronco1631d ago

Spoken like a guy that has no clue how any OS works. Unless that is if you actually are a software developer that designs OSs.

Utalkin2me1631d ago

Have you used Windows 8? That OS is trash.

extermin8or1631d ago

running windows 8 as we speak, when you first use your laptop it works so fast, within a week it's already slowed down a noticeable amount- i turn stuff off, close processes the unclosable windows processes seem to be multiplying faster than rabbits breed though....

dcbronco1631d ago

Trash in what way? From everything I've read it is a far more efficient OS than any other MS has released. The required specs are less than 7. They removed the start button and people lost their minds. Mostly because they heard someone else lost theirs over it. So explain how it's trash. And though One uses the Windows 8 kernel, how does that make the OS in One trash? What is wrong with that kernel? Or did you just hear it's bad?

The ability to run multiple OSs that work together could lead to a far better experience than having one OS and machine handling everything. If you were to have a cloud generated and loaded event, like a tornado, loaded into part of the RAM an activated during a game. It doesn't have to be real-time. It does it's thing, the rest of the game does it's thing. But the third OS brings the two together and that cloud rendered object can have consequences in the game. Maybe things like that are why there are 3gb of RAM set aside for the OSs. Not that they are inefficient.

PS4 couldn't do that. It could either stream everything or render everything. Rendering on board would hit a wall eventually. Streaming would become better and better. But once that's the case you have a overly expensive OnLive device. That is a huge difference.

And the 3gbs of RAM isn't a set thing. It depends on the things being done on the console. And there is no reason the Apps side couldn't send to the cloud instead of anything gaming to free up part of that 3gbs.

People are talking based on the way things are right now. As if nothing new ever happens. If you looked a little more into how their OS is designed you might change your mind.

That is unless you're just a fanboy and will believe nothing MS does is workable or is a lie.

HammadTheBeast1631d ago

^

You do realize that one OS is for games, the other is for TV, and a third to join them together? So what you mentioned has no impact on it.

Also, Cloud rendered assets would only be background stuff or under the hood things, stuff that the player would not notice if there was lag with.

Utalkin2me1631d ago

@dcbronco

Ok where to start

Well first off it seems like it is designed for a tablet and not really a PC. Not a fan of how clunky looking it is or the use. Not a fan of my apps going full screen with no boarder, again that kinda reverts back to the first thing. And while i am on apps, was having problems of apps not installing correctly or wouldn't install at all, driver issues with my apps.

I get random restarts. Try to restart and shutdown manually it would just hang. If i had to buy windows 8 i would be upset. But i use ubuntu for my personal computer. Cause anything with MS name i will never purchase.

Mikeyy1631d ago

@dcbronco

So you have never even used Windows 8, and now you defend it?

My moms new PC is Windows 8, and Of coarse I had to go over there and set everything up and fix everything that goes wrong, ect.

Honestly dude, windows 8 is TRASH. Nothing works like windows 7. You do not go back to traditional desktop mode, and use it like windows 7. Everything is different, everything is in retarded catagories and vomited across the OS.

It took me forever to set up the most simple shit for her.

Windows 8 is further proof that MS doesnt listen to its consumers very well, because nobody, and I mean NOBODY asked for any of these retarded features in Windows 8. If this is MS's idea of "innovation" then I fear for you XB one owners..

dcbronco1631d ago

@Utalkin2me

So half of your problem is how it looks. Crashes are something no one can argue with. But bad because of how it looks. And that has been the argument from the vast majority. It's for tablets. I don't like how it looks. Not sure how that makes it bad. And the reality is that tablets are far outselling PCs now, so it's kind of hard to hate someone being forward thinking.

@"thebeast"

Sure, it's two OSs for two different things and a third for determining how to distribute resources and how they interact. On it's face it seems like separate things, but taking into account that MS filed a patent where two GPUs write to the same scene, why can't the third OS be used to make the cloud add things to the scene of the console's OS? It wouldn't have to be real-time, the cloud just does the physics and loads it to the OS RAM. It loads a couple of Gigs and streams as needed. The console OS then adds the the physics of the items that it produced.

The most render intensive thing, the tornado, wouldn't use any console assets. Console generated item reactions would be done on board, but it was be far less taxing than doing it all on the console. So you could add real weather, floods and other processing intensive things that even PCs can't do now. And with dedicated servers on MP all of it could be done on the server and loaded to the RAM before needed. Like the flooded areas of CoD. But now far better and with real physics.

The asteroids demo is just that. The consoles has to just figure out how things interact. If that works real-time, there isn't even a Gaming PC that could keep up with it.

dcbronco1631d ago

Here's a link to an article about the ability to have two GPUs writing to the same scene but doing separate things.

http://www.vg247.com/2012/0...

dantesparda1631d ago (Edited 1631d ago )

Its not 3 OS'es its one main OS virtualzing the other 2. And MS fanboys dont seem to know/understand that virtualized OS'es perform slower than real OS'es. I have W8 virtualized on my W7 pc right now. And its slower than having the real thing (having W8 installed as the OS). Its cute how they keep believing all the bullsh!t MS keeps feeding them, first the "power of the cloud" and now this. Dcbronco obviously doesnt know what the hell he's talking about and is obviously making sh!t up. He's posting a old link saying that the X1 was rumored to have 2 GPU's and well we all know thats not true/ This guy can dream eh? talk about denial.

and p.s. XP/2000 are faster than Vista/W7/W8 and far less bloated and far more efficient

ssj271631d ago

I detect m$ paid workers who are here to talk good about the xbone..
who get a bonus and a extra week of vacation to defend windows8 while they defend the xbone lol

insomnium21631d ago (Edited 1631d ago )

dcbronco really is in every single MS related topic defending them. Must be paid to do it.

Utalkin2me1630d ago

@dcbronco

How do you get out of my comment half the problem is how it looks? I understand you're trying to justify your argument with some pointless non sense.

Yes it does look awful for a desktop PC, which in some peoples eyes is more important then others. But the functioning of it is even worse. Really overall has to be the worst OS i have ever had my hands on in all respects. Windows ME was bad but i think 8 has it beat.

MarkusMcNugen1630d ago

@dantesparda
"Its not 3 OS'es its one main OS virtualzing the other 2. And MS fanboys dont seem to know/understand that virtualized OS'es perform slower than real OS'es."

Incorrect. Everyone seems to be getting this wrong and I cant blame them. Even microsoft itself made the stupid mistake of calling it three OSes. There arent three OSes on the Xbox One, its three kernels. A kernel and an OS are two different things, in fact a kernel is the most basic part of an OS. Some would argue that a kernel can be an OS, but that would be a exercise in futility. A kernel is the lowest layer of the hardware abstraction layer. Its what converts commands from the software to the hardware and vice versa. Yes, even the MS fanboys have this wrong as well.

"I have W8 virtualized on my W7 pc right now. And its slower than having the real thing (having W8 installed as the OS)."

Well duh. You are talking about running a full OS with a shell on another full OS with a shell. Of course thats going to be slow. Run linux on your W7 OS, guess what... its slow. Try virtualizing windows 7 on linux. Guess what... its slow. Now try loading a distro of linux that is purely command line... OMGZ its fasts!! Sorry, I shouldnt have gone sarcastic right their. The point is that is not the same thing as say, a kernel being virtualized. Sure, it may be a bit slower, but not enough to make a huge difference.

"Its cute how they keep believing all the bullsh!t MS keeps feeding them, first the "power of the cloud" and now this."

lol. Are you a PS fanboy? I just have to ask because of how much you are hating on the Xbox One and simultaneously some of the PS4s features. What exactly do you think OnLive and Gaikai are? Just some kind of magic that makes games appear on your screen? Its cloud computing. Everything is rendered on the cloud and sent to the client device. Clearly its possible, and hell, with a good enough internet connection, its more than possible. Since its still somewhat of a new field there are some issues, but its not like its this totally imfeasible concept that could never be done.

"and p.s. XP/2000 are faster than Vista/W7/W8 and far less bloated and far more efficient"

What? No!?!?! You mean an old operating system built for computers with 1/5 the computing power runs faster on todays computers? Guess what... DOS is quicker than Ubuntu and Windows 2000, and Windows XP, etc... This is just a stupid point. Nevermind that the UIs for the OSes became much more intuitive and have decent graphics design. You are literally talking about running an old OS on newer hardware. Boot that Windows XP up on a PC with a Pentium 4 and 512MBs of RAM and tell me its faster...

I do love when people think they know what they are talking about and just utterly fail at their trashtalk. dcbronco, just stop and go educate yourself a little more. Read, because you shouldnt be talking about things you have no idea about, and the same goes for dantesparda.

MarkusMcNugen1630d ago

@Utalkin2me

It almost seems like Windows 8 never really had a chance for you. Ive been using Windows 8 since before it was Windows 8. Ive been using it since the alphas and betas came out when it was still basically Windows 7 with a few features. It is faster and more efficient. So you hate the modern UI, its functionality, looks, etc. Thats fine, I dont really like it either. Fortunately I know how to use computers and I rarely ever have to go into it.

If you think ME was better than Windows 8 IS, you have some problems. Some major problems when it comes to evaluating an OS. Justthe simple fact that Windows 8 runs on the Windows NT kernel and Windows ME doesnt, proves my point.

dcbronco1630d ago (Edited 1630d ago )

@dantesparda

You're basing everything off of a regular version even though it is most likely a specialized version. I'm assuming, but so are you. Others seem to think it isn't. There aren't any OSs that are full versions of the OS being used. So your inefficiencies probably don't apply.

http://www.lifehacker.com.a...

I also do think I mentioned the main OS, whose job is to handle resources. And as far as making sh-- up, the demo that MS ran using the NASA database was doing what I mentioned. People have seen this done so I'm not sure how you can say it's made up. Maybe you hadn't heard, maybe it's you that don't understand or maybe you work for Sony and will pretend it's just not true. But the rumors have been out there for a while. The Orlean rumors.

I can't help if you can only do what someone else has already figured out. But don't project your shortcomings on others. Back to your chosen circle panda.

And yeah, I know it's not panda.

Utalkin2me1630d ago (Edited 1630d ago )

@MarkusMcNugen

What you fail to realize. Not everything is about speed, it's more about reliability and efficiency.

And Btw, a kernel plays more of a part on a console then it does a PC. Cause it is a stripped down version in a sense. It's all about controlling devices, managing memory, and setting up the CPU to operate at optimal performance.

dantesparda1630d ago (Edited 1630d ago )

@MarkusMcNugen

"Well duh. You are talking about running a full OS with a shell on another full OS with a shell. Of course thats going to be slow. Run linux on your W7 OS, guess what... its slow. Try virtualizing windows 7 on linux. Guess what... its slow. Now try loading a distro of linux that is purely command line... OMGZ its fasts!! Sorry, I shouldnt have gone sarcastic right their. The point is that is not the same thing as say, a kernel being virtualized. Sure, it may be a bit slower, but not enough to make a huge difference."

Lol, how cute, Mr.Thinks he's smarter than everybody, thinks i didnt know this. I dont know how the fvck you got that impression, but that should tell you something about your comprehension skills. In case, you still dont understand, i was trying to explain it simply for people that might not know.

"lol. Are you a PS fanboy? I just have to ask because of how much you are hating on the Xbox One and simultaneously some of the PS4s features. What exactly do you think OnLive and Gaikai are? Just some kind of magic that makes games appear on your screen? Its cloud computing. Everything is rendered on the cloud and sent to the client device. Clearly its possible, and hell, with a good enough internet connection, its more than possible. Since its still somewhat of a new field there are some issues, but its not like its this totally imfeasible concept that could never be done."

Here we go again, you honestly think i dont know what cloud computing is and have never played or have had any experience with Onlive or Gaikai, do you need my Onlive account as proof? And for somebody who thinks he knows so much, you would know that there is a really big difference between streaming video and what MS is claiming. You're gonna sit there and tell me that the claims they are making about it making the X1 three times stronger are true? and especially with the low bandwidth and inconsistent latencies of your ISP connection and the internet? That doesnt even take into account your network congestion, and PSN/XBL network congestion, etc.

"What? No!?!?! You mean an old operating system built for computers with 1/5 the computing power runs faster on todays computers? Guess what... DOS is quicker than Ubuntu and Windows 2000, and Windows XP, etc... This is just a stupid point. Nevermind that the UIs for the OSes became much more intuitive and have decent graphics design. You are literally talking about running an old OS on newer hardware. Boot that Windows XP up on a PC with a Pentium 4 and 512MBs of RAM and tell me its faster..."

So im wrong how? Its faster right? Or you just prefer these bloated so called modern OS'es? You praise the fact that W8 runs of the Windows NT kernel, but than put down Xp as a old OS?
Knowing damn well that MS could have easily made XP do what W7 does

"I do love when people think they know what they are talking about and just utterly fail at their trashtalk. dcbronco, just stop and go educate yourself a little more. Read, because you shouldnt be talking about things you have no idea about, and the same goes for dantesparda."

Ditto!

And where does it say that its virtualized "kernels"? Link, please!

And p.s. you work for MS? cuz you seemed very defensive about it, you a MS fanboy? cuz you seemed to have taken it personally.

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ruefrak1631d ago

Who cares about efficiency? It's about quantity. Xbox has THREE operating systems and PS4 only has one. 3>1 Xbox wins! 5 billion transistors and 300,000 servers. 15 exclusives, 8 new IPs... XBOX ONE! Be dazzled by the numbers.

Sevir1631d ago

Gpu which also is 50% less powerful than the PS4...

Yep. 15 exclusives launching in the first year of the Xbone with 8 New Ips... And that figure is impressive when you're not factoring that the PS4 has 20 Exclusives launching in year one... 12 being new Ips

and since we are talking numbers how about that $399 price point and the fact that Sony didn't dance around specs and gave the full performance of the console... Is easier to code for and more powerful...?

But we are just talking numbers right.

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Odoylerules0001631d ago

You rascal, I was skimming comments and I was like,"Hey, this guy is really stupid." Then I was like,"No, I'm really stupid." I forgot how to sarcasm, sorry.