GR writes: "You could be playing a $399 Xbox One this Christmas but Microsoft would rather have enough money to go on vacation."
Greed enough said.
Stupid fanboy article. If Sony put consumers first, why are they charging for multiplayer in the PS4? Tell me one company that's not looking for profit? Even Sony is in the console business to make money. Here's a "little secret". The PS4 is 100$ cheaper because it's cheaper to produce. Simple as that.
@fermcr "The PS4 is 100$ cheaper because it's cheaper to produce. Simple as that" and the PS4 is much more powerful than XBox One, that is what bothers people about the price.
Yup, they now make you pay for multiplayer. But if you have a ps+ account like I do you would see the value there. Ms also makes you pay for online features as well. Also if and I say if sony puts that money towards making the psn better than that is a good thing for us the psn users. But I do agree all companies want your money sony, ms, Nintendo no difference there.
It appears you didn't read the article. Sony is breaking even on the PS4 while MS Is making around $100 - $120 on the Xbox One. That says it all.
They're charging so they can have an online network that's comparable to Xbox Live. People (360 fans mostly) complained about how much better Xbox Live is than PSN as a service so with the profits from PS+ Sony plans to improve it's network as well as still giving out free games on all it's platforms for a single fee. they've already stated this themselves. Even without Kinect the PS4 is more expensive to build than the Xbox One. The cost of the RAM compared to what MS put in their system is huge. Quit trying to justify MS money grabbing tactics, Don Mattrick himself said that they priced it based on what consumers currently pay for desirable electronics, basically noting that people are willing to pay $500 for a smart phone so why not their Xbox One? "Any modern product these days you look at it [and] $499 isn't a ridiculous price point" - Don M. It absolutely does NOT have consumers in mind. http://www.gamespot.com/new... http://n4g.com/news/1284072...
@fermcr "Here's a "little secret". The PS4 is 100$ cheaper because it's cheaper to produce. Simple as that." You're paying for Kinect with Xbox One that's why it's less powerful than PS4 and still $100 more.
If Sony produced a better console than Microsoft for less money, Sony deserves a standing ovation. You make it sound like a bad thing fermcr. http://i.minus.com/i87zYV0v...
newmonday I'll wait for proper spec bench tests of both consoles because we don't know how well the custom embedded eSRAM will work in combination with DDR3 in the X1, vs ps4 standard GDDR5. Here you go from a reputable tech site: "Depending on how the eSRAM is managed, it’s very possible that the Xbox One could have comparable effective memory bandwidth to the PlayStation 4" http://www.anandtech.com/sh... -So there is no confirmation that ps4 is more powerful, short of bench testing actual units its all guess work, lol but Either way given the hardware similarities this gen there's less of a gap in raw performance this gen than last gen, which means devs have plenty of power for both and likely wont see any noticeable difference in graphics/performance of multis, then of course indivdual devs talent+budget will play a part in what we see from exclusives. Also YES ps3 is cheaper because micro is smart enough to include a high tech camera for consistent dev support in new ways to play games= X1 costs more. Finally the headline is hypocritical at best when you consider ps3's launch price....was sony putting consumers first then?= each company prices their product based on the value they BELIEVE it has. It doesn't seem yo be doing too bad on Amazon at the moment its been holding down #1 for awhile now. http://www.amazon.com/best-...
and yet it has the better hardware and looks a million times better.
Call it greed... call it what you will. I'm pretty convinced it's a just a disKinnect from who they perceive their target audience to be. All the people who made the xbox/360 the success it was grew up and in the process earned a lot of money. These people didn't understand the consumer backlash, mainly because they are no longer your typical consumer. I bet they are starting to realize this now though. To me, this XBone was created for people who can afford the upper-middle to lower-upper lifestyle and they ass-u-me'd people like me would be affluent enough to afford the ticket while being happy to hand over a few consumer rights in the process. I live in the Seattle area and am friends with some MS people and this pretty much sums up what I am seeing in my FB feed: http://www.dorkly.com/artic... Out of touch a little? Yeah, I know that was sattire but that's the feel MS is giving... Seriously, this smug BS doesn't sell me on your product. I'm not even planning to join the next gen until next holiday season but for me the choice is clear. PS4.
They are charging because if you want 60 FPS and HD graphics + no lag it costs them millions to a year to run that. Those millions could be put into more games but they need to keep up with Xbox live, which say what you want about MS, xbox live is a good service. If so cared about it's fans they would give games away for free with the PS+.....o wait they do. Now mind you....I'm not a Sony owner...psp only actually so kind of.
to invest in a better online experience!!!!
I agree that every company wants to make money. But there is a huge difference in the way Sony or MS are doing it. Sony doesn't skrew the customer. Yes you have to pay to play online now. Yes it would've been better if they kept it free. But you get so much value for your money. You get tons of games, discounts and Gaikai features. Microsoft on the other hand have charged gamers without giving them things like that for a whole generation. On top of that they skrewed their early adopters by switching the focus on casuals as soon as they reached a price point that was affordable for everyone. Then they tried to take our rights away with all the restricions. When you buy a console it's an investment for years to come. A lot of gamers just won't trust MS anymore after their track record of skrewing their fans.
@fermcr I agree whole heartedly buddy. These Anti Xbox one articles are getting so old and redundant. That gaming news is starting to remind me of msnbc. Just a bunch of made up lies to sway mindless idiot's point of views.
Kojima (creator of Metal Gear Soid) seems to disagree and box thinks Kinect, SmartGlass and the power of Xbox One is awesome. http://gamingbolt.com/hideo... but yeah, keep believing Sony is the ssvior of gaming and thinks of consumers best. Have we all forgotten the PS3, the cell, blu-ray and over priced PS3. What about PSP Go, or Online Pass?
I'm sure they didn't make that decision lightly since they've held off on charging for two generations now. You can thank MS and it's supporters for making this crap needed.
No, the Xbox is more expensive because they're forcing a camera on us.
There's profit and then there's greed. Microsoft only cares about making money, nothing more. Keep trying to justify that $100 extra.
@fermcr Xbox ones price is way too high for a PS4 has to offer.. Oh and here is a little secret....xbox one has bluray with sony written on it..
Meanwhile, the exact same sony is chargine $100 for SLOW vita memory cards, while the competition offers Faster, memory cards for 1/4th the price.
Lol and yet the ps4 is more powerful how can a cheaper to produce console cheaper to produce lol
Somehow these guys know just from crunching numbers of chipset ram specs that the PS4 is so much more powerful than the Xbox One.. Why don't they demonstrate it then, where is this 50% of power being utilized? Show me the $...I mean game. Oh yeah their slogan is Make Believe ...It all makes sense now..
Was cross game chat free on consoles????? Name one console that has as many features for free that is not a personal desktop computer.
theyre charging for online because ttheyre not making enough money from ps plus, and i dont care if ps plus is required, it gives me monthly free games, huge discounts on games, and updates games automatically when im not using my ps3 and its a more powerful than the xbox one even if and its still cheaper you do buy a ps eye camera
@the con sept the ps4 doesnt need a ps plus to use cross game chat
Well said. People act like Sony are giving away free Ps4's. There's no defending charging for multiplayer, they just did it because Microsoft got away with it.
Didn't M$ just now start offering 2 free games a month. The PSN network has been doing this for awhile now. It's worth it.
This is what annoys me about some people that clearly don't have a clue.. Xbox One fans make out that articles about Sony are purely fan based and yet they are defensive about it! The harsh truth is deep down its all stems to jealousy because what is said about Sony consoles is in most cases true and it hurts! MS are known to lie to their consumers and to me that shows just how gullible MS fans are! Open your eyes, look for facts not false promises. At least the fans of Sony get to see and hear about things that are usually fact and not misleading and opinionated. Okay some things about Sony consoles can be based on opinion but you can't argue with the facts! So hear come the facts! PS4 is more powerful that Xbox One, FACT! PS3 is more powerful than Xbox 360 FACT! Microsoft used to be all about the games, FACT! Microsoft got a head start when releasing there flawed system a year early, FACT! The PS3 has now outsold Xbox 360.. even though 360 had a year head start. FACT!
History lesson: When MS released the Xbox 360 a year earlier, it was plagued with RROD issues, the first consoles sold on the market had a high chance of breaking within its first year. This is a fact, look it up! Sony released there PS3 console a year later and had more time spent on it for good reasons. Sony wanted to sell a console that was as perfectly finished as possible and wasn't prone to breaking as much. The PS3 was made to be more durable and they succeeded with that! RROD was a vastly more common issue than the YLOD on PS3. Sony spent longer also because they introduced the world to Blu-ray for the first time, and when the PS2 was built it also introduced DVD to the world. Sony are known to create devices that are ahead of their time. Sony are known to support their products for much longer too.. in fact it is what Sony have always stood for.. longevity. PS2's last game will be out this year.
The PS3 and PS2 consoles featured far more advanced technology when they finally got released, of course Sony aren't perfect just like Microsoft. The cell processor was a marvel in engineering however it was harder for developers to code for. The PS3 original price was very high upon release.. too high for many gamers but lets not forget that the console was more advanced and it brought Blu-ray to the table. Sony aren't always perfect, they too have had problems but when they create something they learn from their mistakes unlike MS. MS admitted that Vista was not a good operating system and then Windows 8 gets made and its just as bad! I had to upgrade my PC with an SSD because of how badly Windows 8 performs. Sony consoles like the PS4 is a system I can admire more.. I like PS4 more because Sony appear to have learned from their mistakes and have begun to make amends. Sony have looked what gamers/game developers want to see in a new console which is why its a known fact that the PS4 has been called a developer inspired system. PS4 is going to be amazing because Sony has really put a lot of thought and attention into there new PS4 system and its most likely going to pay off. The hardware is vastly superior and they have done their research into what gamers want. PS4 has a lower price tag than PS3, PS4's camera is not mandatory however Sony have advertised the benefits of having a camera on their system. Sony seem to know what consumers want a lot more than MS... not just that but they seem to have a better grip on marketing too!
In my opinion MS have not marketed the Xbox One properly, their focus on TV and Kinect features has foreshadowed what the early adopters actually care about more, which of course is the games! We know that both PS4 and Xbox One will have media functionality built in but the point of a console is to bring games to your TV. We already get entertainment on our TV so there's no point in putting your focus and attention on that. I don't see the point in having a Xbox One if you have a Smart TV! Cable is costly a lot of money these days and a lot of people are switching to Freeview instead. Xbox One's HDMI-In doesnt really seem like a major selling point to me when I can easily stream media and TV off the internet or from another devices like a computer. Many articles I've read suggest that the Xbox One uses much cheaper parts compared to PS4. The PS4 seems to be using a more costly processor and is using more expensive GDDR5 ram which is commonly found in high end PC graphics cards. The Graphics memory being used will certainly benefit the console, not just for graphics but for multi-tasking too. The Xbox One is not as smooth & fluid as Microsoft has shown during their console reveal. Video evidence online suggests that the Xbox One UI to be very laggy still. http://www.youtube.com/watc... In fact the Kinect 2.0 seems more advanced than the console itself. http://www.youtube.com/watc... MS are known to fake a lot of things in order to sell the idea of what they hope to achieve with their product. When deciding on a next generation console you need to take into account these questions. Who do you trust more? What matters more to you games or media? I trust Sony more because usually what they show is actually real and not fake unlike MS and their misleading demos. The UI trailer and Playroom/Dualshock 4 trailer looked too good to be true but other videos showing live demo's proved that what is seen in those trailers is actually real and not faked at all! Check out Playroom Trailer and Demo.. http://www.youtube.com/watc... https://www.youtube.com/wat... The UI trailer: http://youtu.be/Njn2vNZp9Vg
Wow. Wasn't the Ps3 pricey compare to the Xbox 360? What a great article. Well put. I mean the logic is just great. People need to stop making useless articles just to get views. The thing cost more because of the software being put in along with the Kinect. Nuff said.
PS4 advantage as it stands: Smaller console More powerful console Cheaper Better PR More diverse launch lineup (was going to say better but this is subjective) Much better firs party studios Self-publishing Way less restrictive online More stock produced, especially when you look at the stock differences that appear to be the case in every store. Suggests that the rumour about Xbox One yield issues may be true. Xbone has Kinect in every box Titanfall in late 2014
Business 101 son every company has greed #FACT
I'm not sure greed is the right word. Every for profit business is out to make a profit for the company (shareholders or individual owners). Greed is different... greed is a selfish desire for power, wealth, etc. Companies can be successful without being greedy. I'm not saying MS is greedy, I really don't have enough evidence to flat out say they're greedy, but I do personally feel that Sony is paying closer attention to their user base, and their desires at this point in time.
There's a desire for money (every company) and then there's treating your customer like s**t for another dime (only some companies).
Lets just keep in mind that all companies aim to make money. It is not unreasonable for a company to make profit on a piece of hardware unless they are in the gaming industry that is. It is all about the value offered by Microsoft and SONY. They both need a sustainable model to make profit. The cost of a piece of hardware also includes R&D cost. Focusing on Microsoft yes the kinnect ads to the price. So does their dedication and hopefully not hollow promise of the cloud as this involves the costs of building and maintaining said infrastructure. While I do believe that the Sony as a whole has a more costumer focused orientation keep in mind that without one of the big players sony or microsoft either one would jump on the change to make more money. The value offered by seems fair to me, but that doesn't matter if the market as a whole finds the price to high they will lower the price of their hardware and sell at a loss as such is the business model of the gaming industry (not mentioning nintendo wii)
I think I can remember the 360 being cheaper than the PS3. Did M$ care more then or was it Sony that were greedy blood suckers. Make up your minds people.
Lets be fair here, you're comparing apples to oranges here. When the PlayStation 3 first released, it was sporting a Bluray player, which at its time put it as one of the CHEAPEST solutions to play Bluray movies. Even now a days a Bluray player with media apps will run you $100, where as you can get a simple DVD player for $34 (going off the cheapest on BB). It's a lot different when the more powerful (spec wise) system is cheaper than the weak spec system, than the weak spec system being cheaper than the more powerful system. However, I do agree this is a flamebate / BS article.
and thats why i find ps gamers (atleast the vocal ones) so hypocritical xbone "forces" a kinect purchase, making it more pricey and they complain, HOWEVER when ps3 was around and bluray was an unproven format, ps3 forced bluray on everyone making the ps3 an expensive GAMING machine cause thats what ppl are arguing about nowadays with the xbone, right? that since its multimedia focused now, gamers only wanted the xbone to be a gaming machine, right? when at the time ps3 was around, it went for an alternate bluray playre route, made the console more expensive as a gaming console, forcing ppl to get something "gamers" generally didnt know about, and didnt get crucified for it...it turned out to be a good bet for sony, but thats the thing, that was proven AFTER it was allowed to play out
Blu ray was needed for the playstation gaming direction. It also came with built in wifi and internal power brick People complained.....remember the amount of dead on arrival articles. The price hurt many
But the X1 has a kinect 2.0 this why there is the price difference
SixZeroFour There's no similarity between Sony using blu-ray for the PS3 and MS using Kinect for the X1. Blu-ray was a step forward in gaming, it meant more space, it meant there was no need for multiple disks, everyone remembers Final Fantasy, LA Noire etc on 360. Kinect is just an accessory, it doesn't enhance gaming in any way. It may enhance gaming for casual games, but hardcore games (Watchdogs, Division, BF4 etc) it is pretty pointless. I should say, having Kinect/PS Eye isn't BAD, but your point about PS3 'forcing' blu-ray and X1 'forcing' Kinect was a ridiculous comparison. Hence this reply...
Nah, this is more of a fanboy article and nothing more. We don't know how much Sony is making or losing, just like we don't know how much M$ is making or losing. As others have pointed out (article included), the Xbox One comes with the Kinect, which retailed for $100 this generation. This could very easily explain the $100 dollar difference, since the PlayStation Eye (not included with the PS4) is $60, which means M$ would be making around $40 dollars per console (going off information like this). However, it doesn't take into account the TV components that the Xbox 1 is sporting, nor does it take into account the R&D and possibly licensing fees involved in implementing these features. I am not saying I support M$or even care about the Xbox One, but it's silly to believe that M$ is trying to F the consumer for a profit. Especially because game consoles tend to be loss leaders at the start (over time the processes become cheaper and the tech becomes dated or less valuable, similar to how Sony wasn't screwing the consumer with the $600 PS3 at the start and how they're probably making money on the PS3 even at $250 or so dollars). It's certainly possible Sony is willing to take a bigger loss to control the market, but that is to have a better position than show their support to customers.
That is a good point. The X1 basically has an HD video capture card inside of it (the HDMI in). Those go for around 200 bucks (some cheaper, some more depending on quality) for a PC. That plus the Kinect 2 easily explains the higher cost. I think both console are priced pretty fairly, maybe each a little tiny too much considering the actually hardware inside. What it really comes down to is if you want kinect and the HD in function on X1 or not. The PS4 video card/GPU does have a decent more horsepower than the X1. And, of course, exclusives for each system.
Your all wrong, its because kinect.
Talking about greed $599.99 at launch for ps3 is totally not greedy
Losing money on every console sold, is not greedy.
Flashback... Sony, @PS3, next gen starts when we say so, at a price we demand and all you suckers will buy it.... Remind you of anything? Sony cares about money.... Just giving you the bait right now...
I'm seriously starting to tire of these kinds of articles, if they can even be called that. Both Sony and Microsoft are publicly traded companies and look to have the best possible profit margin within reason. Granted they are going about it different ways but please don't mistake that for caring about gamers. They are simply trying to return value to their shareholders
as long as there are blind xbox fanboys ...i wish they had charged 699 for the xbone just to see how naive those fanboys are.
iMac Is Pricey Because Apple Doesn't Put Consumers First Like Sony Does
If thats how you feel then lets spam twitter #msbuyoutsony #hostetakeover. Just to set the record straight ms could own Sony tomorrow liquidate them and it would be over. There are many aspects to business and being on gaming sites most of the day spreading unconfirmed rumors when the true specs or machines still have much that could change and even today sony is still doing online passes on first party and the manual says you DO NOTOWN this software as you only license it.I personally wish people would of let ms do there digital modeal as I much rather shre my games across world in a sec then mailing it. Then the ten memebers on live for same price and the rumored free one year gold in the box. I dont know if the fans that cried fould even thought about how ms was 100% trying to follow steam or just fan boys or people afraid of change. I think it lies closer to sony not being able to compete with ms azure as all gaiki was is a laggy bankrupt service where Ms and samsung have been working over ten years together putting up servers all around the world as well as ms mentioning another 300000. I have a feeling if sony would have went with drm this big lash against ms would never have happened to sony. People need to realize for sony the ps4 is it. They cant take another failure as they are in a financial mess. I hope they get turned around but without holding games back. Most of ms drm plans were fine but they just neeed to fine tune it but got so thrown under the bus they went back to the past. Now my honest opinion of kinect is okay as using it at e3 turned me an about face as I hated the first one. Now the cablebox featurea is a nice tack on bullet point on the box but the real question becomea how much am I paying for something I really dont want. As a hard core gamer both systems are day one preordered. I just heard a report on joystic that says the xone has No external power brick and there proof was the input design on the back does not support it plus one is made to run at many power stages. Long rant man so thanks who listened to my opinion. Cant wait till I get to open my console for the first time. Its almost like a new born baby. Lol
All I need to say is $599.00 us dollars.two jobs needed and the giant enemy crabs were all nasa related. Dropping support for psgo quicker then any handheld ever. Great propietory priced vita cards. Ylod oh us sorry send us 100.00 us to fix. Bad disc speed again so sorry send us money. Yep tbis article is dead on sony only cares about customers which is funny as there overpriced tvs and cameras is a big reason sony has financial problens up the yen.
I guess people forgot about how much more the PS3 was, but sony fanboys did not care. It was justified.
Blame it on Kinect.
Seriously, kinect SHOULD be made optional...
they want to listen and monitor you
And MS wanting to make $100 per console.
Whoever is disagreeing me is seriously naive. In the article there's a quote from Pachter where he says employees of MS specifically told him that they were deciding between breaking even like Sony or pricing it $100 more and making billions from the profit.
"MS specifically told him that they were deciding between breaking even like Sony or pricing it $100 more and making billions from the profit." These are businesses not charities so from a business perspective, making money is better than breaking even because you know the sole purpose you start a business in the first place is to MAKE MONEY! Not to mention if you make money from the get go it gives you the flexibility to do price cuts whenever you need it.
Patcher? Since when is he reliable. Flipping a coin is about as accurate as he is. The X1 comes with Kinect 2 and video in (a video capture card). Whether or not you want that hardware, it costs money. We can debate about things being optional or not, but the point is there is a legitmate reason the X1 costs more even if the GPU in the PS4 is around 40-50% faster. The X1 still has a 1080P camera, Infrared camera, multi-mic array, and a video capture card. Those aren't cheap.
doesn't matter, if PS4 was 500 and X1 400 it'll still be PS4 i'll be getting because of the Sony 1st party games which have no match on any other system!
blame MS for making kinect required to use the xbox one
Sad to see the Micro only changed its policies when confronted with Sony's own. It was a business decision, not actually looking after the consumers. If it had been looking out for consumers, they would have changed it a month ago. Anyone think a price drop will hit before release, or is that not possible at this point?
A price drop can happen only if they drop kinect.
They could have sold it at $399 at launch as is (with Kinect) and still made a profit because of how cheap the console itself is. Xbone is a far inferior console. M$ just loves taking advantage of the consumer. They love to give the finger to everyone including developers. Greedy $h*t$. Mark my words, after Christmas it will drop to $399. Don't be dumb, be smart, buy a Playstation.
@Destrania | Don't be dumb, be smart, buy a Playstation. More like build a PC.