A reminder from yet another Gaming Website not to forget the reasons why the Xbox 180 occurred, nor the reasons it might happen again.
"A reminder from yet another Gaming Website" yep, that is all you need to know..
Oh we will reminder, and that's why most gamers are buying PS4. There's a phenomenon taking place that's seeing hundreds of thousands of gamers walking away from Xbox One.... Microsoft has already lost the eight generation of consoles.
Just watched the top 10 on Amazon. PS4 have 2 bundles and a standard edition in the top 10. The PS4 Day one edition already sold out a week ago. Pretty much that $399 helped a lot. Now Sony need to reveal those 15+ exclusives games for PS4 at Gamescom and it will boost again.
You guys can be sure DRM on x1 will be back the day they will have enough pigeons on board. You have my word! Most people are buying PS4 because they want a company that cares for them and gives them what they want. Last of Us 2 Uncharted GT God of War LBP All these games will run on a cheaper console, better looking and more powerful. pre orders don't mean much right now, let's wait for the after gamescom where more exclusives will be revealed. LBP3 is in development for some time!
Yep. Just like we will never forget when PSN was hacked and our credit card numbers were in danger.. and Sony didn't say anything for a few days. Never forget what happened!
@abzdine So true, if a SIMPLE PATCH removed all the crap they put... Couldn't the same do the opposite??? People would literally just be ONE update away, considering the system was literally built into the console...
just visit n4g and you will never forget
@ miDnIghtEr20C_SfF I won't forget that, except our credit card numbers weren't in danger because they were encrypted.
@DigitalRaptor Bubble vote for you good sir
Last time i checked the Xbox One is sold out at gamestop.Also number 1 on amazon U.S and U.K.Microsoft learned early fixed the problem and are destroying the PS4 as of right now.They wasn't gonna screw up like sony did with the PS3.Since you have your crystal ball and can see the future how about the lottery numbers?
@Flames76 Amazon's best sellers are items that keep selling more because it's an hourly thing that goes by percentage. If one item sells more in that category, even if another has sold more overall, it'll be higher ranked. This is why Xbox One is in first place on best sellers. The PS4 day one edition will keep going down in rank because it can't sell anymore. However if you look at this link, still in Amazon. Best sellers of 2013 in video games. This is an accumulation of all video game related items sold in 2013. Playstation 3 is in second place while Xbox One is in sixth. http://www.amazon.com/gp/be... In the UK, the PS4 is number four in best sellers of 2013 in video games. At the moment, Xbox One is number 63. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/... So no. Xbox One is not "destroying" PS4 in sales. It's the other way around.
Dont need to read any further. Another backwater site trolling for hits, didnt click the link and would urge everyone else to do the same.
Bubbles the warning. I am weary of this online crusade against ME.
well said author everyone should really thank Sony cuz if Sony did cave in and say OK we'll do-it too everyone would be eating Drm for breakfast lunch and dinner... People seemed to have a short memory that's why history always repeat it self, just watch Microsoft is going to come up with a way to make them eat DRM and every one is going to follow like a sheep we the sheeple will never learn. If Microsoft can be in second place on amazon even with the drm fiasco and kinect spy cam then you cant see where this is going you have fanboys out there who will defend Microsoft with there life if they of to i know a couple of them i even have a friend who is just like that.. bottom line Microsoft is a bunch of suits who care about profits more than how they care about the industry not saying Sony is a white angel on a horse but atleast they have a little feeling for the hard working costumer..
I won't forget a thing . . . I saw what they tried. They backed down. I'll forgive them. . everybody makes mistakes
But it wasn't a mistake. Microsoft invested millions of dollars and thosands of man-hours to create the DRM infrastructure for Xbox One. It wasn't like "ooops! Our system blocks your library of games if you don't get online once per day. Sorry about that. It was an accident"
A mistake in judgement. . . . They thought the masses would let them use our own blood for lube whilst they fudge packed drm amongst the other bs restrictions up our . . . . .s . . . They were mistaken
You'll forgive them for looking at Amazon pre-orders and realising that their DRM infrastructure was not worth the discrepancy in sales that would affect their reputation, their market share and most importantly their business? They didn't do this for you, despite their little "your feedback matters" speech. and it wasn't a little lapse in judgement. They would continue to do this, if the market would take it.
It is funny because gaming websites like actually made the situation worse. The publishers are simply going to opt out of disk distribution for smaller games, on both consoles. Only trible A games like COD and Madden will get disk distribution.
Cod triple A??? U a crackhead?
Cod a AAA game? Go back to sleep, wake up and redo your entire day. Something went wrong along the way.
Sony pushed the BluRay format for themselves. If publishers want to opt out of disks, it ain't gonna happen. Again, as we just recently learned, publishers need SONY astronomically more than SONY needs them. They cannot survive on Xbox alone. They need the other 80 million to survive. Why would Sony agree to remove the format they pushed for?
MS a friendly reminder: GAMERS ARE NOT GOT DAMN FOOLS remember that. that all you need to know MS...
As stated in the article "Never forget how close Microsoft came to doing this, they sat through lots of board room meetings to get to that point". I have said this a few times now, the people that came up with this crap are still in place, that mentality is still at M$ is still in place, all they are going to do at this point is go back in those board room and come up with new ways to do those same type of practices, they will just be more subtle about it next time. Never Forget.
I'm amazed that at no point, no-one ever said "Wait, no, they won't stand for this". How little faith they had in their customers.
People can sugar coat it however they want, but Microsoft are still the same company. In fact, the only person who was ever held to rights over anything was Adam Orth, who basically revealed the real truth. However, while Microsoft should be praised for going back on the decision the whole lead up was pathetic. Ignored the outrage when it was rumoured. Ignored the outrage when it was unveiled. Ignored the outrage when they thought they could hide it with some flashy CGI trailers. Then you have a company saying the always online was the backbone of their console and couldn't just be turned off, and then they proceed to turn off the requirements. You then have intentionally vague statements and features going almost entirely unexplained. Ouright lies such as showing games running on PCs running completely different hardware. Features that don't work in most countries being big selling points. Nonsense that the cloud will make the machine x times more powerful. I don't trust them because they outright haven't been honest.
That sounds just like the NDAA and SOPA fiasco.
WAR AGAINST THE XBOX ONE!!!
Let this be a lesson to all. I won't have anything to do with a greedy company like Microsoft.
Yes because sony just loves you. They arent a big multinational company with share holders. They arent there to make as much money as possible or to grab as big a market share that they can. They are doing all this because they just love you.
No one thinks that Sony is a friend or loves them and isn't just out to make money. But it is fair to say that Sony do provide a better and simpler service when you buy a product from them. No one's being sentimental, it's just it's nice for a company to respect your consumer rights and not feel arrogant due to blind belief that they're an untouchable monopoly.
They can count money all they want in the background as long as their business practices give the illusion of being pro-consumer and pro-gaming in general.
Say whathever the hell you want. Neither Nintendo or Sony tried to take our rights as consumers with draconian policies.
@falviousuk The difference is, Sony wants to make money giving as many people the things they want, M$ wants to make money trying to F-over as many people as they can. There is a difference between smart business and greed.
None of these companies care about my life like that. It's business. I'll judge them by their business practices. Each have had their faults but ms has started/attempted to start 2 generations with questionable methods. Not only that but they've ended this gen like they're the ones who are supposedly cash strapped. Weak ass efforts in their core gamer segment. . relying on 3rd parties. Their fans brag about how much money ms have yet they don't see the irony in ms's output. Unless the games cheap to make or its a guaranteed hit ms just don't seem too interested.
@Falviousuk Mariomanic summed it up completely. Of course companies are out to make money but Microsoft is a despicable one.
How very profound, another bleating sheep repeating what they see online.
And your counterpoint is... nothing. A comment with ZERO substance. I don't get it. How can you attempt to call somebody out when you've got nothing on your side? So he's just miming what he's found on the internet? And just what do you base your comments on? Where do you get your information from? Does your unwavering support of Microsoft come from the fact that you get everything straight from them? And if you DON'T get it from them- again- WHERE do you get it from? Out of thin air? Given some of your comments, this last seems not just probable, but likely.
The thing is they were going to screw their consumers but since nobody bought their crappy DRM box, they had to backtrack because they were getting screwed they did this for MONEY not for YOU so don't feel special and say M$ cares about you.
So Sony "cares" about you? They make hardware and software that they want you to give up your money to buy. Just face it Sony had a better opening strategy and it seems to be working for them right now.
Yes, Sony want to make money and they did in such a way where they didn't feel the need to screw over consumers. Shocking, how horrible.
@LoydX-mas You went full retard. You never go full retard. You apparently can't understand the difference.
@Transporter Should be no surprise i mean look at his avatar.
Wow, it took one full comment till the insults fly, how mature.
It's a shame because I was already invested in getting an xbox 360 as the offline microsoft product. Now I just don't know what to buy.
Give it a rest. The fact is that MS is trying new things with family sharing, play your games from any consoles, and have all your games saved in the cloud, so sacrifice needed to be made to prevent abuse of these new features like the 24 hour check. They read the outcry, the moans, and complaints so they decided to change it 5 months before the thing is even sold. It is not like they plant a rootkit on CDs and not informing the public about it and only when they got caught is when they decided to stop the operation. Wait, isn't Sony the one that did that? Are you guys going to forget about what Sony did? It just didn't nearly happened, it did happened.
Most of the features didn't need a 24 hour check. It was actually very unnecessary. A one time verification and authentication check would have worked for most of them.
A frequent check is indeed necessary if you are going to have a share library, allow for retail trade-ins and gifting. If there is no mandatory check, the owner that trade in the disc copy to Gamestop will still have the game in the harddrive and can play it as long as he is off-line and all of his family/friends on his share list will still be able to play the game in his share library; thus, that is abusing the system. Steam doesn't have share capability, selling games back to retailers, or gifting in either download or the retail copy so an activating code would of course work in that system setup.
The "share library" was never ever going to be what you believed it was going to be. The "pushing forward and innovative" Microsoft was really the "restrictive trying to control the market" Microsoft, but hidden behind half-truths and the good ol' smoke and mirrors tactics, that MS is well, well known for. Do you actually believe Microsoft, or in fact publishers (the ones who complain about losing customer to used games and not buying games), would allow a person who bought a game once to share it for free in full, with 10 of their friends. Do you know how much revenue that would sacrifice for publishers? It was never going to be like that, and thus it was never going to be worth the mountainous restrictions across the rest of the box. The playing your games on any console, already exists. It's called buying your game digitally, logging into another console and downloading it. It's also called being given the option to buy your game as a physical package and being able to do what you want with that physical product - lend to a friend, sell it like you can sell any other physical item.
And what is stopping them from going ahead with the sharing plan? Sony has already proved that is possible to do without invasive DRM on the PS3.
Yeah, nothing like unexplained features to make up for always online nonsense and restrictions on used games. Yeah, let's bring up something that happened in 2007 as opposed to 2013, that's definitely not a strawman.
Yeah, exactly. The fact they were even retracted proves how greedy and unnecessary they were. Purely an attack on consumer rights
I don't know why you would need a mandatory 24 hour check to play a hour long demo.
Hmmm...funny you should bring up Sony in DRM issues such as this. The problem with the Sony rootkit was that it was installed without the user knowing about it. It wasn't made known to the user of it's existence, or it's purpose. It also introduced many security holes to Windows that malicious programs could take advantage of, even if those programs had no intention of using those holes. Sony's rootkit wasn't in itself malicious. Just a form of copy protection at a time when copying CD's was rampant. It also wasn't technically a rootkit, just employed some rootkit type characteristics in how it operated...but the results were similar. Now, you seem to have a problem with Sony for doing such a thing in the name of copy protection, and rightfully so. I'm curious why you don't have a problem with MS also doing the same thing in a different way. Is it because MS is being up front about it? In the past few days I've come to realize that way too many people are cheering on the adoption of DRM. I'm really curious as to why now, there are so many people eager to have DRM in their games. When did DRM start being welcomed with open arms? What changed in the past few weeks? Oh...that's right, MS wants to do it now, so that makes everything OK. Doesn't the fact that something so unanimously hated for so long(DRM has never been welcomed, ever), now being accepted because of console preference really just go to show how console loyalty is just a bad thing. You get a sharing plan now? Yeah, that's a fair trade off I guess. All those other features you mentioned are available now, and have been for quite a while.
I will never forget the great games I played on 360 and the great games I will play on xboxone almost paid off my console.
There's great games on the 360?
He really said that lol
I won't forget but now that it's gone. I can sleep well knowing I can play offline when I get it on day one
Good luck playing offline. Most games, especially AAA games, will make use of the cloud which in turn requires you to be online.
Not true at all, games like Titanfalls, multiplayers games or MMO of course requires you to be online anyway, so that doesn't matter and for single player games like Dead Rising and Forza 5, cloud can add more to those games but don't require that you have to be online to play them. http://www.gameinformer.com... "The heavy emphasis on cloud technology brings up the inevitable question: Do you have to be connected to the Internet to play Forza 5? The answer to that question is no -- with a slight catch. The game must log in to Xbox Live at least once, but when it does Forza 5 caches car and race data necessary for offline play. So, after that initial connection, you will be able to play Forza offline."
Every major company on the planet has done things to piss off their fans. Microsoft is no different. Sony was the company that said they do whatever it takes to ensure that their companies future digital is in tact, even if that means forcing their customers to go digital. Or how about the time Jack Tretton said he would pay someone $1200 for any PS3 that was still on store shelves just after the PS3 launch. Then when literally hundreds of pictures fly in to show him that there were PS3's everywhere unsold, simply brushed off his comment. Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft are all guilty of doing things they thought were right, and paid dearly for.
I know that all the big 3 have screwed up plenty of times but I don't remember Sony or Nintendo trying to take our rights as consumers. I also don't remember any company getting the backlash that MS has got over the last few weeks. MS will definetely pay dearly for trying to screw us over. EDIT. 1st paragraph Keyword "said". 2nd paragraph Steam is service, the xbone is a platform. I should never have to ask permission to use something that is mine so yes MS was trying to take my right to use my property in any way I want to. Not only that but we do have the rights to sell our digital games and the fact that we can't sell our steam games will NEVER change that right. I never complained about Steam because I can buy AAA games for € 5 and I can play them offline but yes Steam does take our rights but nowhere near the level that MS tried to take them. Not even close. 3r paragraph Tech companies patent stuff that they never use all the time. Sony didn't use that patent and that is all I care about. 4th paragraph I don't care what PR people say. Actions speak louder than words.
Like I said, Sony back in 2007 said they would force their customers to go digital if it meant the difference between their doors staying open and them closing. Microsoft wasnt trying to steal any customers rights. Does Steam steal your rights? You can't sell your digital based games. So are they anti consumer? I think not. Remember how Sony filed a patent to tie a disc to a console so it cant be used on any other system? Do you think they filed that just because? I would say they had a purpose. You are blind if you think Sony didn't have a similar set up to the Xbox One at some point in development. They just decided to not go that route, and Microsoft did. Edit: I would also implore you to remember what happened when the PS3 was coming out. Sony had such a bad attitude it was mind blowing. Nearly every major gaming magazine at the time had a story about how when they asked Sony about the pressing issues ( price, losing exclusives, etc) they simply would give responses that showed they didn't care what any of their customers had to say.
So let me get this straight. Since Steam offers games for cheaper prices, its OK to "steal consumer rights?" So you will sell your rights, but just to the cheapest bidder. Sounds legit to me. If actions speak louder than words, then Microsoft going from DRM to current methods, you should have 0 issues with them. This is my problem with all this hate on Microsoft. They are just like every other company, yet somehow they are the worst. If you dont like Microsoft products, great, move alone. They does not in any way make them somehow a horrible company. I am really tired of people insulting other peoples intelligence because they exercise their right of choice as a consumer. If Microsoft was going to hide their policies before someone purchases an Xbox One (before the DRM back track) then that would be a different story. If you do not agree with the way they are doing business (which is their choice to do I might add) then move along, and stop accusing them of things such as anti consumerist ways, when you indeed already support a company that you say takes away consumers rights.
Yes I don't have problems with steam and Its not for you to find legit. Its not just how I feel about Steam but how I feel for Valve as a company as well. I trust and respect Valve but I certainly don't trust MS because they never gave me reasons to trust them. You see I know that Valve doesn't want to nickle and dime me at every turn like MS tried to do and that is why steam policies don't bother me as much and are that much easier to accept. Think of it what you will.
No body will care about any of this in the coming months.
Sad but true, hence the need to not forget. I'll admit Sony has made mistakes, but in my mind, this beats the vast amount of them.
Lets be honest here about humans. We are an instant results species. Something big happens we care for a bit and life continues on. Kony 2012 Sandy Hook If people forget or should I say dont Care about tragedies anymore I am positive that this will blow over.
so you guys forget all about all sony's mistakes and forgive them but microsoft was ABOUT to make a mistake and you guys say "never forget" as if it was another 9/11, wtf -__-
Thing is guys, Microsoft is going to go down this digital route, I just hope when it happens next time they are ready and prepared for what it means. I have been upset for a while over this, but I am done being angry. I am just going to get my ps4 and be happy about that purchase. I wish everyone else the best in their purchases, be it ps4 or xbox one. If there is anything that we shouldn't forget, it's that we as consumers have power when we vote with our dollars. Never forget that guys.