Megabits writes: "Xbox One is expensive... but the PS4 isn't dramatically cheaper. Factor in a few other issues too and it's perhaps not as clear cut as you'd think"
Really , even if Sony threw in the cam it would be 50 $cheaper I'm sure Sony will eat 20 on the cam plus other bundles are in the works. And what Sony is giving is like always a choice . The kinect was a choice on the 360 there was no articles like this about it. And that's what ms should have done.
other than Kinect, this is how Sony is getting away with stronger hardware for $100 less.: - smarter architecture in the PS4 - Sony's better experience as a hardware company in parts procurement and assembly management. - XB1 more complicated to engineer and assembly - bad manufacturing management and scheduling lead to the yield problems that raise cost of xb1.
that's a stronger base hardware architecture, that taps out when the system reaches its limits. the Xbox one has a strong base hardware architecture as well but its designed to take full advantage of cloud computation, which will free up a lot of system power. for instance, the cloud can take up 60% or higher of the brunt force or workload of the development of a game, which leaves a lot more for the system to be able to do much more. with cloud computing, it will allow the Xbox one to get stronger as they increase the power of the cloud. think of the Xbox one as the hulk. the mader the hulk gets,the bigger and stronger he gets. the more they beef up the power of the cloud, the bigger and stronger the power of the Xbox one will get which also means that the actual system won't have to use as much of its own base power. so in a nutshell, the only limit to the Xbox one will be determined by the cloud.
oh?! is their a breakdown on how this actually happens outside of the imagination with an actual demonstration ? like how DICE explained the use of the CELL with Battlefield 3.. http://www.slideshare.net/D...
#headblackman I got a bridge I can sell you hopefully you get that
headblackman, I have $100 million in overseas banks scattered throughout Europe. Consider it my "cloud" money. Unfortunately I am unable to transfer this money. With your help I will give you 20% ($20 million). All I need is your bank account numbers, social security number, and anything else that can help me steal your identity and all your money. So what ya say??? You in???
@ headblackman, keep using that term " power of the cloud " too bad they cant rely on it now, NOW that they did a complete 180 about the system not having to connect online all the time. Your power of the cloud cant help you now and all that EXTRA processing power will take a huge toll on XBOX's significantly weaker RAM.
Wow, nothing of whay you said was even remotely true. Xbox One is a 3 in 1 and then some and you really dont have a clue.
^headblackman^^ how much more smoke do you want to blow up are arse , while towing-the company line? hulkee, harr, har,
@headblackman I am so tired of this cloud computing comment. Now that the DRM policies are moot...How does it improve a console that is not applied online? This is saying that the user applies the one time connection and then disables online functions afterwards.
MS wants to sell X1 at a significant profit, that's all there is to it.
Another fanboy driven blog/website trying to fool us into believing their bullsh!t. Yeah, he's trying to tell us that the ps4 isnt really a $100 cheaper because ps eye costs $59 and ps plus $50 a yr, so therefore, there goes your $100 savings. Funny though, he never mentions that you have to pay $60 for live and we all know that ps eye is not needed. An obvious fanboy with an obvious agenda. FAIL!!! and headblackman and xgamer, you two are naive and gullible little fanboys, how embarassing Now if Sony could just get a cloud
@headblackman what the hell is brunt force? and lol @ "increase the power of the cloud". i honestly died laughing.
" the only limit to the Xbox one will be determined by the cloud." And since the cloud is just PR bullshit, the console will be limited by it's hardware, as every other gaming platform has been. Ta Da. If the cloud was such a viable system for boosting performance, an all digital platform such as Steam would have been all over it years ago. Yet you don't see Valve proclaiming that if you games on Steam, with the power of the cloud, your PC can now render 1000000 more polygons.
Are you a programmer? Give us facts, dont come story us. Xbox is far better optimized and msft are kings of compression/decompression and other thread optimisations. Last gen spoke loud. And dont Come With the ram Shit over cause e3 showed no diffrences on the graphics department btwn both @mariahellfu**ktura
Fact of the matter is beyond the hardware there are huge cost investment into research and development of software in addition to the infrastructure needed for the cloud. Three OS, instant switching, smart matchmaking, and so on isn't free. Already from the outset, it seems MS has more features and an additional advanced Kinect. So $100 isn't unreasonable for all of that. If you don't like it, don't buy it. However, remember how MS transformed their Xbox 360 multiple times with dashboard updates. Who would have thought it would do what it does today back then? Back then it was a dumb gaming console and today, it is the equivalent of a smart phone.
The "cloud". Don't make me laugh. It's thin air. Really. All that is some form of compute "farm" and some APIs to harness that compute performance. Basically a warehouse with some computers inside (= servers). What you think what PS3 game streaming is, BTW? Games running in said warehouse streamed over the "cloud". And everything else goes over some form of IP protocol - every freaking front end which runs over it. So, I guess Sony has a cloud. You can build your own or lease resources. MS isn't the only one running this. On the contrary, the Xbone has no HW accelerated networking - while, ta taa, the PS4 does. Incl. HW to de/compress that said streamed game - what do you think why they can record a game with 0 (that is "zero") performance hit on that HW and "share" it instantly? (no, those "Move Engines" are not it).
Everyone keeps talking about how much more powerful the PS4 is. They also said that last gen but did you guys see any differences?
swerve121 I play both consoles. I will play both next-gen as well. As for the current gen?? Yes I saw a difference in comparing 360 exclusives to PS3 exclusives. The reason I would compare just the exclusives is because they are optimized to get the most out of each console.
Hardware - The PS4 has better specs and is cheaper. Controllers - The PS4s battery is built in internally, the Xbox One requires AA or you to purchase a battery pack. Online Paywalls - The PS4 gives you 50 games a year, discounts, free themes, avatars etc. Power Consumption - The PS4 is smaller and doesn't require an infared camera. Free 2 Play and Apps - F2P games on PS4 are not blocked by any paywalls, neither are the apps you're purchase. Result - Nothing new here PS4 wins by a landslide like usual.
And the PS4 doesn't have an ugly f****** power brick.
PS4 should be $299 since it doesn't have free online or backwards compatibility.
The PS4 does NOT give you 50 games a year. They said 1 a month (the first of which is a scaled down version of Drive Club, followed by some of the indy games in the next few months). You are counting PS3 and Vita in the 50 games a year. And If you are counting both the 'free games you get with plus) then there is no point in arguing for free games behind the paywall, because in both consoles, you are counting the subscription cost for the network, which balances out. You are also counting several non hardware related pluses of PS4 and not mentioning any of the XB1 pluses, like HDMI pass through, improved matchmaking system, multitasking, etc. On PS4's side, you could have also added remote play on the vita (which actually is part of the hardware discussion), and self publishing for indies. I preordered the PS4 over the XB1, but in the interest of fairness, it isn't as big a landslide as you are making it out to be.
NO. You get the instant game collection right away which is 8-10, One or sometime 2-3 (like this month) retail games a month and 1-2 indie games a month always.
if I were you, I would seriously lower my expectations for PS+ on PS4 for the 1st year or so. With NO PS3 GAME WHATSOEVER supported on PS4, they catalog of free games they can offer is going to starting from 0. Thats the reason why the Driveclub version offered is a limited version. So while PS+ is amazing on PS3, it will take quite some time to take off on PS4, expect mostly free indie games
"Controllers - The PS4s battery is built in internally, the Xbox One requires AA or you to purchase a battery pack. " I dont get whats the fuss with AA batteries. There are rechargeable AA batteries you know? If they run out I just buy new ones. What happens if the PS4's controler breaks?
I agree, it's gonna be tough at first. But, I've already heard games like Outlast and other indie titles are going to free to PS+, also Sony giving Driveclub regardless of in being edited shows a pretty good initiative for the beginning of PS+ on the PS4.
"NO. You get the instant game collection right away which is 8-10, One or sometime 2-3 (like this month) retail games a month and 1-2 indie games a month always." The instant game collection you are talking about is for PS3, not PS4. If we are comparing PS4 to Xb1, the instant game collection is not part of the equation, because you cannot use the collection on the PS4. They said there would be 1 PS4 game a month, starting with the scaled down Drive Club, followed by some of the indie games in the following month.
Aykkon: What if the xbox controller breaks? What if you lose your rechargeable batteries, what if. It's just nicer overall to have a controller that you can recharge and not worry about anything else. That and it's cheaper in the long run.
Yeah this upcoming gen I'm noticing I'm maturing as a gamer I no longer feel the point to care if xbots like the ps4. I just realized that no matter how good of a console Sony makes they're brand loyalty to ms will always control them. On paper ps4 is clearly better and if some people can't see that then it's fine with me all I know is my friends will buy ps4 Aswell as me. If you like the ps4 you can't be a fanboy, it's logical to want the ps4 it's cheaper it's higher quality in every way besides possibly in software( but that can always be tweaked with firmware) so it's no big deal. I don't want casuals on my platform so if u want to watch tv on a gaming console then enjoy your Xbox one. I'm glad Xbox one exist it'll do well at weeding out the casuals and little kids that are gullible enough to believe the bs of kinect round 2. I don't think ps4 will be better then my gaming pc as far as hardware is concerned but since my gaming started on a console ( Super Nintendo, fav games nhl 88 to 99, and that zombie game.) I'll never turn my back on it and I will appreciate the many brilliant exclusives that Sony will give me. It's clear ms just wants your money if you can't see that you deserve to get bent over by ms. We've all warned the xbots about ms and made the truth about exactly what the ps4 has to offer known and if they still choose to ignore our warnings then that's they're problem and it just means they were never meant to be part of our community.
@patsrule In the first month alone we will be getting Don't Starve and Outlast for free. That alone makes me pretty excited for ps plus
Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. You speak but its all incorrect oh and the Xbox One controler well read again little man
@MariaHelFutura How many accounts do you have to have to bump up your bubble count within the same thread? Based on the number of agrees you typically get I'm assuming it's around ten.
@AyKKon -they don't -the internal battery is just as strong as the day i bought it.. even with a ton of half-ass recharge.
@patsrule316 sigh. dude, you don't understand what you're talking about lol. "instant game collection" applies to all of sony's current platforms, not just ps3, ps vita, or ps4. currently we receive games monthly for ps3 and ps vita. but once the ps4 arrives, we'll receive games for ps3, vita and ps4. and it'll work like this. 3 ps3 games 2 ps vita games 1 ps4 game note: the amount of games are an estimate based on information sony's released so far. instant game collection DOESN'T work like this: 5 ps3 games 5 vita games 5 ps4 games as that's just silly. SO, when you say that instant game collection doesn't apply to ps4 and only applies to ps3 & vita, you're wrong, as it applies to all of their platforms out.
@patsrule "You are also counting several non hardware related pluses of PS4 and not mentioning any of the XB1 pluses, like HDMI pass through, improved matchmaking system, multitasking, etc. On PS4's side, you could have also added remote play on the vita (which actually is part of the hardware discussion), and self publishing for indies." Who cares about the hdmi pass through? Its pointless/useless for gaming and how do know how good sony's matchmaking is? and multitasking? more like wasting precious resources (3 gigs of ram and cpu cycles) on sh!t like kinect and windows 8. And you honestly think the ps4 doesnt multitask? etc! @jcnba And i think the X1 should be $350 and the wii u $250 @Aykkon If the battery goes on the ps4/ps3 controller then you just unscrew a few screws on the back of the controller and BAM! there's the battery and its easy to take out and replace. An you can buy them for like $10. You are capable of unscrewing a few screws, right? or is that to much for you? Also, i had the same ps3 controller since 2007 and its still kicking and still gives me days and days of gameplay on a full charge. So its not a problem, but nice try! @ i am canadian Well said @xgamer was that even human? none the less english? help! @dcbronco he/she will tell you as soon as you tell him/her how many you have. And then i'll tell youse both how big is mine and @gameonbro I dont even know bro,... i just dont know
@I am canadian. You speak of add on like Sony has never done it. I remember buying an Xbox with a built in hard drive while the PS2 were forced to buy memory cards for $70 ( here in oz ). And saying PS2 games looking better than Xbox that's just crazy. And using black as an example. I had proven time and time again to my friends with ps2's that the Xbox had way better graphics. Even the most die hard PS2 fans back in the day couldn't argue when it was right in front of them. I know it might be a bitter pill to swallow. Yes the PS2 was a massive success. What it did was prove that you don't have to be the most powerful console to succeed. Something people have forgotten now. You all think cause the ps4 is sooo much more powerful (which it isn't, only slightly) that it will automatically conquer this gen. I think you will probably find it will be another close one like this gen. Only time will tell
@Jaces, what if your charger breaks though? No controller until you get a new one.
@jcnba28 "PS4 should be $299 since it doesn't have free online or backwards compatibility. " LOL and the X1 has free online? and backwards compatibility? If you think the ps4 is $100 overpriced the the x1 is $200 overpriced.
@benchmark umm you do realize I had the Xbox 1 not the ps2 and your right about xbox 1 hardware being more powerful, but did I say that ps2 had better hardware I said games looked better alot of multiplats looked terrible on Xbox. And what I was talking about was how ms started with add ons and to this day they are continuing whereas Sony may have with the ps2 add ons where acceptable at that time but unlike ms sony actually knows how to grow in a healthy direction as a conpany, and as you know they stopped doing it for the ps3 And ps4 hence by adding removable laptop HDD's and doing away with memory cards, adding Bluetooth support, adding built in power supplies , adding built in rechargeable lithium ion batteries in their controllers with a common well used cheap chord for charging. You can even use a USB extender chord to add more distance ;)they included blu ray no add ons buddy. And they continue with the ps4. You clearly couldn't argue with my actual points so you found your own and argued that instead. @gameonbro lol ps4 is double the power and if that's not good enough of an answer for I'm sure naughty dog will gladly give you another answer. Also owning four platforms "ain't nobody got time for that " just cause you can afford something doesn't mean it makes sense to buy it. Geez you think owning all consoles makes you an unbiased god no it makes you bad with money. I work 240 hrs a month so forgive me for deciding with logic which console is worth my time. Your not a fanboy but you are a stupid irresponsible consumer. You either play no games or you have no life outside of virtual reality. Pc and ps4 is the perfect choice for next gen buying all 4 is just unrealistic and unhealthy. Enjoy your lack of being able to make decisions in life.
Noone cares about whitch is cheaper except for the casual sheep.Now about the power the first Xbox destroyed the ps2 and almost twice and a half the power of a same gen machine but still ended up in last place. http://wars.locopuyo.com/cw... The thing is that ps4 is maybe 10 to 15% more powerful than the Xbox One when the first Xbox was 150% more powerful.So shut your fucking ps droned mouth and go cry somewhere else about power.We are talking about the same cpu and gpu with just some improvemnets to the PS4 whereas the first Xbox had double and a half the cpu clock rate and almost double the gpu.
Xbox 1 was the size of an amp and you had to buy a 60 dollar DVD remote to play DVDs ms were always sneaky snakes, oh and by the way I couldn't afford the ps2 at launch and by the time I saved enough money all my friends switched to Xbox 1 and halo 2 so I bought the Xbox 1 with halo 2 and had a ton of good gaming moments on that machine, but I must say games looked way better on ps2 black was a good example. And ms's buy our media remote and we'll let you play DVDs was absolutely bullshit. Even from the start ms were arrogant proprietary whores. Anyway to make a quick add on buck ms are king. It all started with that remote, and online, then it continued with battery packs, play and charge kits way over priced limited HDD's, add on now extinct 200 dollar HD-DVD player, over priced controllers headsets etc, 129 dollar wireless adapter, 200 dollar kinnect, ads on the xbox 360, when it comes to ms everything is proprietary. Ms's consoles were always built around profits and not ease of use for the consumer. It only took me 1 Xbox to figure all that out, how many xbox's will it take you??
Actually the GPU isn't the same between the two consoles. Even though they are both made by the same firm the PS4s GPU contains more cores than the Xbox Ones GPU and with its extremely light operating system (in comparison to the 3 operating systems that the Xbox One has) the actual power difference between the two is about 50% with the PS4 being the most powerful and easiest system to develop for. Since Sony decided to not bundle their camera with the PS4 they are able to undercut the Xbox Ones price by 100$. In the end not only is the PS4 more powerful its also cheaper than the Xbox One by a huge amount. I agree with you that the casuals don't car about power but the cheaper price tag is more than enough to convince them to choose a PS4 over an Xbox One. Motorola RAZR i
@iamcanadian - good posts dead on right you are - ms always has a hundred proprietary add ons ... And hey ps4 is 399 cdn! No 50 dollar price jack this time!
The PS4 is at least %50 more power, and that's if the rumors that Microsoft might need to downclock the Xbox One is false. The Xbox was much more powerful, but the PS2 was coming off a stellar console cycle and followed it by having a ton of great games and a DVD/CD player. The Xbox had no brand recognition and other than Halo: CE not many wide-appealing games. At the end of the day, the most important thing is games. Games aren't the only thing that is important, but generally what sways gamers long term. Power is important because it can mean one console consistently getting better multiplatform games. Regardless, price is a key factor and you are delusional if you think it doesn't matter. To the early adopters it doesn't, but for years to come a price difference could result in more sales for the cheaper console and subsequently possibly more attention from developers.
The ps4 is actually more than %50 more powerful than the X1. MS confirmed that 10% of of the GPU, 2 CPU cores, and 5 out of 8 of its sucky ram available for its games. Not only that but Sony also confirmed that they will be doing cloud gaming. So X1 has no edge . plus not every game will use cloud. Less than half will probably end up even using cloud.
@Jaces What if your cable breaks though? No charging until you find a new one.
I think it is ok that kinect is there as in the ipad you have a camera without choice, what is the problem? you are giving a tool to developers that they can really use because every X1 will have it so there will be good sells.....you can not say the same about PS4 and the eye toy. Kinect cost is not 100, is 150 so i know Microsoft is eating a lot of the cost of the X1. Kinect will be good now that has more precision in every way, stop the hate and buy your PS4 if this is a problem for you. As a gamer ill buy both.
Kinect has proven to be useful for nothing more then voice control. There isn't a single Kinect game that justifies the forced inclusion and subsequent $100 price difference. Just like sixaxis on the ps3 proved to be a nice augmentation to games instead of a new control standard Kinect just isn't worth it.
Then don't buy it. I will because for me it is useful.
@acitman I agree if sony add pseye, but if ms remove Kinect then the price should match because ms was selling their Kinect for like 150(overprice much?)
Here's the thing though don't you need the kinect to power on the xbone. So it's a need, the PS4 doesn't need it, so it shouldn't be a reason that it will raise the cost of the ps4, also saying now that PSN cost $50 now it brings it closer the price, did I miss something is Xbox live free now? The price difference so far is still the same ps4 is still 100 cheaper the article is not written well at all. For the controller argument I still have the sixaxis that came with 60 gig fat ps3 and mine was manufactured in Nov 2006 and it still recharges and works, look MS sucks in providing convinience hardware wise they always have to where you have to spend later on, same goes with the 360 remember HDMI or wifi or he drives?
Ya but the Sony Camera sucks
If PS4 drops price $50 at some point ( which it will).. XB1 will have to drop price $150 just to stay even in price. Think about what that will do to their profits. I'm almost positive PS4 will always be cheaper this gen.
Did anyone ever think that MS are making us pay for the blu-ray drive royalty that they have to pay sony lol.
y else do you think its so much more expensive thay have to make a profit on it and since there is a royalty they bend us over for a POS isnt it a slow ass blu ray drive anyways?? Didnt people bitch about the bluray being slow in the ps3?? Is this one the same or slower than the ps3 blu ray drive?? cus if it is that would be sad
lol you are a fool to think sony is the sole owner of blue ray. do you know how many companies are involved in developing bluray? more than you can count. did u know ms developed a codec that bluray uses and as a result actually get royalty themselves? did u know sony pays other companies involved in the development of bluray for royalties? Geez the stupidity on this site @mxrider2199 ps3 did have a slow drive, ps4 has 6 times the speed of ps3 driveas well as the xbox one having 6 times the speed. Your sad because you are an uneducated fool. Why would speed matter anyway? on the x1 its being read directly from the hardrive- ie faster than sony can read games off the disc on ps4. Truly uneducated rabbid fanboys all over this site.
So basically ps4 is cheaper and is more powerful, Sony's Long time gaming experience shows ps4's price and power
The sad fact is, they will sell whatever the price. Hardcore gamers aside, if you're willing to spend hundreds of $ on a console, would families etc go for the one with all the so-called "extras" like TV integration and the new souped up Kinect, or one that focuses mainly on games? Just a question
The biggest problem with Microsoft's vision is that TV is on its way out. I ditched Cable TV almost 7 years ago, and I know more and more people are doing it every day. We watch via instant streaming now. That's the direction we're moving. So Xbox One may have a bunch of TV features, but it isn't any more future-proof than the PS4, because both will have streaming. (Also, the PS4 does app switching, too.) So Xbox One may be enticing to people who love Cable or Satellite TV, but it's a NOW console...not a forward-thinking console.
Great point. I have a Smart TV that streams more stuff than I can keep up with. Why the hell would I need a console to do this for me? Case in point, running Netflix on my Smart TV is a lot more convenient than doing it on my 360.
How do you watch live TV?
I don't watch live TV. At all. Why would I? The Oscar's don't interest me, and I'm not really into sports. Those are the only two reasons I could imagine watching live TV. I get news from the web. I stream my favorite shows. Netflix gives me movies. The only things I have to pay extra for are a few favorites that cost individually, like HBO shows and such. But even paying for those separately gives me a lower bill than cable. Plus it's more convenient.
Sorry, but you're in the minority by a very large margin. Only a very small fraction have "cut the cord" so to speak. TV is NOT on its way out.
Im like you, i mean i have Direct tv hd with 3d channels and the recording thing, and tbh only watched a few football games and the nba finals. Every show, movie, news, anime or w/e i watch it online. Only my parents and brother use the tv on my house, and mostly cuz they dun like to use internet #my parents are really old# and my brother cuz ik i play online most of the time and that would make me lag a lot #since my net is crap. I see more and more people that watch everything on internet, even sports are starting to be streammed live online.
But still people were upset a ms for trhing to go digital and require and internt. The good thing is it still wontt hurt most games as they require internet anywahs and if you dont think addi g 300000 servers to azure you have to be very limited on cloud and ms azures its already showed with titanfall and dead risingwhat can be done and the ps4 cant do it unless the invest billions in over ten years putting up the servers all over the world. Sony is betting there entire co on ps4. If it fails Sony will fall hard.
Problem is the initial gamers ONLY care about gaming mostly the hardcore people want the games first and everything second so if that extra $ doesnt benefit their gaming experience they will opt of of it. I dont even have cable I watch all my favorite shows through streams so xb1 wouldnt even appeal to me at all. A lot of people are ditching cable and just use their tablet/PCs as the media hub to get all their entertainment. Also to use all those features I am sure you need XBL which is another extra added cost where Sony apps dont require PS+ which is why Netflix became more popular on PS3.
Sure the Kinect has potential but it also relies on the assumption that everyone has a big, mostly empty room with plenty of space between themselves and the kinect sensor. I'm willing to wager that the average person does not have so much clear vacant room between themselves and their console. Also, just a little sidenote, not all games will need Plus. Free to play titles, for example, seem to be, well, free. So it isn't like you'd not be able to play online at all. Just restricted. Compared to how Xbox wont even let you watch Netflix without gold I'd say its significantly different enough to not be considered the same boat as Xbox Live. No matter how you look at it, PS4 still does more for less. More of a fact than an opinion, really.