In the wake of the PasteBin “reveal,” several Microsoft employees have taken to Twitter to clarify that it was exactly what they said it was, and that there’s actually still a chance it may return for digital titles…
Does it really matter now?
While people are still spreading nonsense as if it justifies their intense hate of a brand? Sure it matters, if only to those who will now have to buy multiple copies for multiple consoles within their home. EDIT: And that's Microsoft's fault for caving/not finding a way around it, but the spreading of rumours isn't helping
Microsoft clarifies? Uh no, their PR loves to spin, they're untrustworthy.
@President You're right. If only everybody had the long-standing credibility that the guy who wrote that anonymous PasteBin post has, the world would be a much better, fairer place.
Well then bring it back! "several Microsoft employees have taken to Twitter to clarify that it was exactly what they said it was, and that there’s actually still a chance it may return for digital titles…" -Hell yeah, I'm going all digital if they do that. I told you guys lets keep fighting for this.
"Sure it matters, if only to those who will now have to buy multiple copies for multiple consoles within their home. " I don't believe for a second MS would allow those 10 "family" people you shared the game with to play it at the same time so in your specific example it doesn't make any difference whether digital or disk. edit: @matgrowcott: two friends at the same time already seems believable.
I am getting my first wave of titles on Xbox1 digital first just in case the family plan returns.
No_Limit yeah me too, but hopefully they can allow those going digital to signup for the family share plan at launch, full drm and all Id definitely take it, its just to good of a deal for me personally.
Sounds like they are working on away to support the Disk lovers and still afford the features needed to satisfy those of us who need a digital future that let use have some control over it. Hope they think it through properly this time and explain the benefits clearly.
@matgrowcott you said: "You're right. If only everybody had the long-standing credibility that the guy who wrote that anonymous PasteBin post has, the world would be a much better, fairer place" So we should just believe everything MS PR says? How odd that a few days ago Angry Joe was told by Major Nelson that he couldn't "just flip a switch" to remove the DRM as it was built into the system, and then a day later that supposedly impossible to flip switch was FLIPPED. Yup, don't believe everything you read on the internet and take everything with a grain of salt ESPECIALLY applies to Microsoft right now. And @Bigpappy, can you just give it up?? seriously "Disk lovers"???? Are you honestly trying to make a slanderous nickname for people who like physical copies of games? What a joke!
@Parapraxis "So we should just believe everything MS PR says?" No, of course not. But when a company has announced a feature, described it repeatedly in both interviews and in official documents, removed the feature and then clarified that it was exactly what they were saying it was, you should probably believe them. You'd have to be sceptical to the point of paranoia to believe they'd go to all this effort for a feature that wasn't what they were saying it was. And then to just believe an anonymous source over a company that has repeatedly said, before they had any reason to combat negative PR, "hey, this is a pretty neat feature" is beyond ridiculous. "just flip a switch" Do you think that's what has happened? Do you think Microsoft have gotten back from E3 and gone "ok, we need to turn off DRM," and just unchecked a check box? Or do you think it's more likely that they're having to completely rewrite huge chunks of the OS, at great expense? Do you think it's more likely that they're having to pay overtime to not only their own developers, but to third party developers who had utilized features that are no longer there? Do you think it's more likely that they're having to risk missing release because of this? Because I personally don't think it's possible for them to redo everything in five months, and I can't imagine Major Nelson would have done either. Hardly flipping a switch. We'll see.
Only one person could play at a time Valet. Family share is exactly the same as we have now w/o the limitation of the sharing being local.
@ matgrowcott Holy crap, presumptuous much? Where do gamers get this idea that it'll take 6 months to disable sharing? Seriosouly...sure, the time they've spent writing the authentication code will be lost, but I don't see how disabling it will cause an army of coders to loose sleep for 6 months. At any rate, Microsoft have done the math and decided that whatever it will cost them to remove the authentication code will be worth it. There are better arguments you can make for DRM.
It matters because they will bring it back later in an update and force all the xboners to use it or to permanently disconnect their xbox one from the internet to avoid it.
Your crystal ball could use a cleaning.
I still don't buy it. Why would you add DRM and things to restrict consumers, then randomly give them 9 free copies of the game?
Hammad You are overlooking the fact that a disc based game can be shared just as much or more. Although alot less convenient the potential threat for 10, 20, 30 people to share a game, including multiplayer has always existed for devs and publishers under traditional disc based model, at least here its controlled with the worst case scenario being 10. And if they like the game waiting for others to play might encourage them to buy, if that isn't enough im sure under this system they restrict the multiplayer so that could be another incentive to sway some of the 10 to actually buy the game vs disc based model where you have total access to the game and it can be shared over and over again.
@HammadTheBeast It was one person at a time and I'm sure there was restrictions like they had to be on the same internet or some crap.
@4Show Realistically, do you believe that that many people share their games with that many people. I'd imagine most people only have 1 or 2 people they'd be willing to share their games with. Hell I have 2 people I'd trust with my games, and I still don't lend out games. Now look at the other side. People know it's a feature. There's no downside to sharing the games with 10 friends. People do it because it's there. People end up using the feature more than they would share a retail game. On top of that, it's not even contained to local sharing, but nationwide sharing. People who play the shared version of the game play all the way through, complete it, then don't buy the game because they've already completed it. All that multiplied by ten, in theory with games that would forever remain on the person's system. Eventually, between 10 friends, they could have 20 games purchased between all of them, all of them play it, resulting in 200 instances of the games being played. That's a potential loss of 180 copies sold. I doubt most people are going to go buy those 20 games they complete. Their DRM restrictions and the family sharing just don't match up. The replacement for 2nd hand had the potential to be much worse for the publisher than 2nd hand ever was. There was more to this family sharing than MS let everyone know, and while I really want to take what they say at face value, they haven't really won my trust given the past month of PR spin.
I dont know whit it would matter.
Once they get things sorted out, they could use it in the future for digitally downloaded games.
MS, what are you doing?!
No, but let's be honest. Did anybody here REALLY believe that multiple people were going to be allowed to play the same copy of the same game at the same time? That should have been firmly in the "too good to be true" category. If Microsoft really wants people to be able to share games this way, they could put this magical policy back in place tomorrow, at least for people who buy the game digitally. This doesn't depend on DRM -- you just need digital delivery. Does Microsoft really want to push people toward digital? Well, this would certainly do it. The fact that they "cancelled" this thing at the same time that the cancelled their unrelated DRM policies tells you everything you need to know.
Hopefully they will be able to implement the shown features with the digital content only, not disc based games as they can now be lent to friends. Now that digital content liscences can't be sold or traded in, then surely the family share can be implemented. Patience is a virtue, none so more as on this occasion. Let them figure it out, there are many teams to address, many suits to navigate, they have 5 months to 'get it right' out of the gates, this November. Let's see what they decide, at least the main concern has been addressed. In regards to the kinect, as a notorious person once said... #DEALWITHIT. They will never drop kinect this far in their strategy. If its really that big of a problem to individuals then there really is no point in getting this console, and also stop following it's every move and continually sullying it's name, as the people here who want one are getting exhausted of the constant hate from every conceivable angle. I can imagine the number of people who will disagree with my statement, there is no doubt about that. Although I'm pretty sure everyone on this site who is buying an Xbox one will agree with me, let's see how many...
can someone explain to me where they clarified family sharing in 100% true detail.
Great. I hope they implement family share for digital games. I'm no longer buy from GameStop . All digital day one downloads for me.
Yeah it seems microsoft cant please everybody, but they are listening, imagine if they are flexible enough to have both, that would be amazing and the #s would clearly show which strategy is more important to the mass consumers.
Well at this stage...can't just they say anything they want? they need all the good press they can get.
I might go digital if the prices are right. I'm not going all digital on a console if the price is still 59.99. Being able to buy the disc at 59.99 and have the digital benefits was a plus in that regard, but all digital same price has no advantage IMHO.
The games will be 60 bucks since console brands depend on stores to sell their hardware
If they can offer pre-purchases too be able to pre-download games like Steam, I may start buying digital games. Having a game just waiting to be played at launch would be very convenient.
This is true also. I like that feature, even though I have only used it once lol. I'm cheap and usually wait for the sales.
Both PS4 and Xbox One will allow you to play games as their being downloaded.
I spaced off that feature for some reason, though I am a bit skeptical on how well it'll work on the release day of a AAA game. I think people should be expecting a lot server crashes with these new features both consoles will have.
It doesn't really matter anymore. It's gone, so we will never know who is telling the truth.
Well that clears things up, but does it really matter?. I mean explaining this is just dragging on the fact that this feature is gone, something of which only makes those who wanted it more upset.
The Xbox fans are screwed... I see Microsoft turning on them again. Watch them say something about the patch not working right. Forcing people to use the system how they intended it to be. This further proves it. In the FUTURE it might come back as in what? When the system comes out? Just saying Xbox fans watch out for this backstabbing money hungry deceitful company. They don't care about YOU. They only care about what's in your wallet.
Yeah, watch Sony take away features of the ps4 once the install base gets good enough. Then make you sing a TOS agreement before you can use the console again. Like they did with the ps3. See how stupid that sounds? Do you know how many people would sue Microsoft if they put the 24 hr checkin back in there all of a sudden? How many peoples console would be useless? How many people couldn't get to the games they purchased? The public outcry that would ensue? You guys/gals need to give it up.
I said it before and I'll say it again - the people that were and still are screaming "consumer rights!" in regards to Microsoft are the same people who either defended Sony or did nothing when OtherOS was removed.
Why would they admit that it was true now they have removed it.
there still going to be implementing a new digital download store similar to steam.
Don't expect many sales similar to Steam. Steam has competition in the digital only game purchasing world on PC, that's why they do sales, to stay competitive.
Steam has had sales long before most competition was worth mentioning though. Plus PS+ being required for multiplayer actually will create a larger console digital based competitive market. It might take a while and I doubt consoles will see sales quite on par with Steam/gog/etc but if PC gains more footing consoles will also need to stay competitive againt them as well. We could atleast see a few more 50% or freater sales after a while which is better than most on console today. However console game sales will likely take longer so they can cater more for large physical distributors. PC has lost significant support in many stores in part due to many going digital but consoles are more closed off syatem wise and rely on distributors more by nature. They practically have to keep them happy until they can handle distribution themselves (which might not be worth it).
It's no use…
I have a family sharing plan... we just swap disks! I don't understand why this was a good thing anyway... it limited you to 10 people to swap games with. On my ps3 (or 360 but i don't have one), I can trade games with 743 people... it was a limitation, just like all the other "features"... remember, only 1 person could play a certain game at any given time.
The owner and any one of their friends 10 friends could play a game at a given time. Across the world.
yeah and don't believe everything MS says.just ask MR flipswitch nelson.remember i can't just flip a switch,it's the way x1 was design to work.man i want the x1 but the lies from the people over it needs to stop.
this is what i think is going on, we will get the sharing, the crybabies get no drm, they will push digital download harder and i think when big titles release more people will download it versus go bye it, and in a few years digital will take over disc based and they can kill off disc based games and drm is back on
I believe the original article because the original idea made no sense if MS was looking to make a profit by preventing piracy. For every game that they would release they would see a 90% drop off in sells because every group of friends would simply alternate between them who buys what games. That mess was too good to be true and would have been an epic fail after the first qtr of release. MS cannot be trusted.
90% huh? Publishers and developers make absolutely nothing off used sales and piracy. They make everything from a digital sale. So two things: 1. If three people buy a full price digital game after playing it for a bit on a friends account (and getting sick of waiting for a chance to be the second player), that's $180. As opposed to the less than $90 they would have had after the store took their slice of the physical copy, and transport and physical promotion. It also helps that those three people probably wouldn't have bought the game otherwise. 2. Tell me, what do you think happens when people have extra money? Do you think they wisely place that money into a bank account, or do you think they push more of it into their hobbies? With more disposable income, more people would buy games (leading to point one) and would be more willing to buy games they wouldn't otherwise (which would lead in an increase of revenue on sequels, DLC and spin-offs).
I probably bought close to 35 games since 2007. Had this game sharing been in place, I would have paid for less than half of that number. I can wait if it means I can keep $60 in my pocket. I can see it being a problem for online gamers, but for regular campaign style play which I personally prefer MS would have been shafted. I am sorry for the publishers but what I do with my physical copy is up to me. Chuck it out of the window, give it away, sell it for $5, or use it to roll up a J. That's just the way it is. GameStop is no different than a thrift store and if it were illegal MS the gaming industry would have shut them down already. Not beg them to keep their preorders open.
I honestly have never seen a fake copy of a game disc, but I understand they do exist, just not to the extent that MS wants you to believe. Sony isn't complaining about this. Their financial problems would be far worst allowing up to 10 people to share the same game. Some gamers need it out and others can just wait. How many games have you paid $60 for that you still have yet to beat? I know people with every Assassin's Creed and are still on the second one. Is that what you call disposable income?
"I probably bought close to 35 games since 2007." Do you feel that that is the norm? How many were used? Why didn't you borrow them from friends or rent them? "I can see it being a problem for online gamers, but for regular campaign style play which I personally prefer MS would have been shafted." Ok, so your friend buys Skyrim. It's the biggest RPG of the year, everybody you know is playing it. Except the guy who bought it has this friend who is sitting on it 20 hours a day. He's not logging out when he sleeps or eats - he's hogging the game. Every time you click, a pop-up offers you the game in return for what you'd pay at the shops anyway. You don't feel that would be tempting? Meanwhile, the guy that's hogging may well buy DLC, or pick up the game when it reduces in price whereas perhaps he wouldn't have before. "I honestly have never seen a fake copy of a game disc" Why would you? It's not 1999, where you can go onto a market and pick up every game at a quarter of the price. The people who copy games download them from the internet, and the fact that tens of thousands of people had downloaded Halo months before it was even out is a problem. It might not be a "THE INDUSTRY IS DYING" problem, but it's a problem. "Is that what you call disposable income?" Again, do you feel your extremely personal example is the norm? Do you feel this people who buy games just for the sake of owning them would stop buying them if they discovered the ability to rent the games they want, or purchase after the price comes down? This is a genuine question. If they're doing this, it's not that they want to game, it's that they want to buy things. They want a collection. How does this change that?
Please just stop talking about it Microsoft.. it's too soon..
MSFT = Herp Derp!
Now that they will never have to actually reveal all the details, and the catch that we KNOW hadn't been revealed, they can say whatever they want. I wish at least one publisher would clarify, because at this point I don't trust many in the MS camp. I'm pretty sure if Microsoft told for example EA that they were setting up a system where a user could buy ONE copy of Battlefield 4 and basically give the full game to 10 other people, causing them to run the risk of losing literally hundreds of thousands of sales, Microsoft would immediately be told that they would not be publishing on their platform. No publisher in their right mind would have remained hush hush about such a plan or gone along with it. Timed access to full games is the ONLY reasonable possibility. The XBOX One was designed around the idea of getting rid of the used games market and going digital only, and ensuring publishers get every possible penny out of consumers (fees to sell games, participating retailers, etc) Putting in a feature that would lose up to 10 sales per copy sold makes ZERO sense. Some people are just too damn thick to think logically about this, and are seeing the world through green tinted glasses. They need to work on their critical thinking skills.
So let me get this straight, m$ has a plan that lets you share full versions of games with 10 different people. O.k the sell of games is 64 dollars in chicago where I live, o.k that's 64 x 10 which equals 640 dollars take away 64 which comes out as 576 dollars. Now lets say every x1 buyers takes advantage of this plan, only one person buying a game and letting 10 others share the full version of that game with no extra fee, do you realize how much money devs would lose or how pointless this would make drm in the first place, for every 1 game you sell you lose 576 potential dollars?. Can someone please explain this to me if I'm wrong because this shit ain't adding up lol.
No publisher would ever put their games on a platform that allowed this.
I just can't for the life of me believe that people are this stupid or loyal to a brand to believe this shit. The most educated consumers my ass lol read between the lines people x1 was design for the suits by the suits your need as a gamer had nothing to do with these policies only a bottomline and a pot full of money motivated this. And for the people who believes everything that m$ spew after the force f#$king they tried to impose on you, your apart of the f#$king problem.
Let's be honest though. Would any publisher have been happy with one person sharing a single game among 10 friends? I think not.
Well surely the 2-10 players wouldn't be able to play mutiplayer and of course only 1 at a time so I think they are hoping just the single player experience and of course waiting for friends would actually encourage more sales from people who would have otherwise never brought it. Anyway although alot less convenient the potential threat for 10, 20, 30 people to share a game, including multiplayer has always existed for devs and publishers under traditional disc based model, at least here its controlled with the worst case scenario being 10.
Stfu for a week, think about what you CAN deliver with your box and your cloud and your camera and your subscription, think about what we want - our games - and just tell us what we can expect next November for only a hundred bucks more. Right now, it's a mess. What could have, should have, bullshit. Like they're hoping for us to ask for another 180. At this rate it's going to end up as the Xbox 720 after all, the morons.
Couldnt say it better my self..
Do you honestly believe that the company that didn't want you to buy, sell or even play used games would allow people to share a copy of a purchased game with 10 others to play for an infinite amount of time for free? Think about that.
that's right von! how does the saying goes. bubbles for you
They need to seriously just stop talking. "That really was an absolutely amazing feature...that we took away." smdh
I never doubted it would be full games they'll allow users to share. I hope they do find a way of allowing digital sharing, they really need a one-up on Sony. I just hope they think it through properly. Wouldn't want people to blame the collapse of the console business on digital sharing now would we?