Submitted by Alexious 700d ago | news

Cliff Bleszinski bets against next-gen consoles

The very popular Game Designer Cliff Bleszinski, mostly known for his work on Gears of War and Unreal Tournament, spoke against next generation consoles on his blog. (Cliff Bleszinski, Mobile, PC, PS4, Xbox One)

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King-Prodigy-X  +   700d ago | Well said
STFU Please Cliffy
allformats  +   700d ago | Well said
People need to stop posting what he says. That guy is obviously looking attention. Don't give it to him. And frankly, why does his opinion matter? He's a retired developer who worked on Gears of War. Enough of him already.
Septic  +   700d ago
What's wrong with Gears of War? (you were just making a statement of fact and not implying anything?)
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PraxxtorCruel  +   700d ago
Don't tell me, is he betting (again) that mobile gaming will be the future? What is it with this guy and mobile gaming? How about sticking to something you know aka console gaming? Why is he so infatuated with mobile gaming? The day mobile gaming takes over is the day I retire from gaming!
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Fishy Fingers  +   700d ago
Why should people stop posting the opinion of a high ranking industry professional when N4G is 50% opinion pieces from "nobodies"?

Wouldn't it be simpler to just ignore threads surrounding him? Some people might actually value the opinion of someone who has experience in the field.

Edit: Disagree if that makes sense.
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malokevi  +   700d ago
More like Cliff benSPEAKEY!


Army_of_Darkness  +   700d ago
don't politely ask him to stfu..
Tell him to STFU!!!
Console game development was what made him big and this is what he says to thank us and this business?? What a back stabbing little shit.
badz149  +   700d ago
you had too much of that ego juice already!

go home, Cliff! you're drunk!
Now that Microsoft has abandoned their DRM plans, Mr. Cliffy is mad because it will be harder for him to extort large amounts of money from gamers while outputting sub-par games.

He's a real class act, this guy...
SilentNegotiator  +   699d ago
@Fishy Fingers

That's funny. I didn't know an unemployed guy begging EA for a job was a "high ranking industry professional"

He's a professional in ONE genre of game, but not the industry itself. He isn't in a place to say that next gen consoles won't do well, or that chucking DRM was a bad move, or etc.
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PurpHerbison  +   699d ago
N4G is going to keep articles like this alive, but you know what would help? Not commenting on them. I know it is tough cause here I am commenting but... try.
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SilentNegotiator  +   699d ago

Clicking the link gives it heat, not commenting.
Xof  +   699d ago
Did you bother to read his blog post?

I think not.

It was interesting and well articulated, and in no way represented by that misleading headline over here.

A particularly appropriate quote:

"What bothers me is the internet pitchfork mob who can only see 6 inches in front of their face without thoughtfully analyzing a situation. "
YNWA96  +   700d ago
Yeah Cliffy, shut up please, unless you have something good to say about Sony or thrash MS. We do not like you, you have no experience like Jonathon Blows, who is a well respected veteran developer who loves our Sony!
extermin8or  +   699d ago
Well actually I'd easily say jonathon knows more about tech than cliffy B who I'd credit with the intelligence of some kind of primate but actually they tend to be quite smart and at any rate it'd be an insult to any animal tbh. The guys thick as shit and has periodically made stupid comments about various things over the years that usually don't warrent a comment from him and have nothing todo with him-yeah he worked on a few decent games but lets be clear here; Gears of war and unreal engine were good games but they weren't at least not as far as I can see actually his ideas. He may have servved as a lead designer on them but lets be clear whilst good games there is nothing ground breakingly amazing about them, there is nothing particularly special. They tend to be games about overly macho guys that are in space marine combat suits (oh and a few women) that look like they've just had a dose of steroids the scripts sound like they've come from the mind of an 8 year old who just watched apollo 13 or soemthing and saving private ryan before writing them, that's how it sounds anyway but the games are fun. My point being Jonathon Blow creates way more original games and is actually working on the current consoles therefore his opinion is more valid however neither of them really have the credentials to say sweet F A. So as his opinion is rarely asked for, and really shouldn't be because the blokes ability to give an intelligent response to something is clearly minimal. People like Peter Molleneux-they have the right to give their input, Michael Ancel, Neil Druckman etc people from Bungie etc ec They all have the right to comment on the industry and such because they've proven time and time again they know how to make great games, they still do/ are and really I don't think anyone but you believes if it's anything todo with a developer that loves Sony or if they love MS. The ones that have the credentials to backup what they are claiming/saying tend not to say anything and tit's like him...just want money.
SilentNegotiator  +   699d ago
Even Microsoft gave up on the DRM...what does hating on Cliffy, for making comments about hating the change, have to do with "teh soni fanbois!!"?

Give it up. Don't you fanboys ever get tired of looking for hypocrisy where it doesn't exist?
vickers500  +   699d ago
"Well actually I'd easily say jonathon knows more about tech than cliffy B"

Not defending Cliffy B here, but wasn't there an article here a while ago that stated Jonathan Blow was using like 5 gigs of RAM for The Witness? Something pretty much not even the most graphically intense or physics heavy games require?
NextGen24Gamer  +   700d ago
This video makes 100% sense!

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CrossingEden  +   700d ago
evidently you didn't read the article -_-
adorie  +   700d ago
It's not his fault.It's the websites desperate for hits and the tools who post the articles.

He appears annoying because"journalists" <--lmao?
are covering his every word. If it were Cliffy putting his own articles up here, I would totally agree.
THamm  +   699d ago
He must be mad because he wasn't hired by KojiPro
thedon8982z  +   699d ago
Consoles was here before him and they will be here after him... Like someone else sayed STFU and do whatever your fake a$$ retirement plans consist of, he is just mad that money train he was depending on is dead(at-least for now).... Notice now that everything is going Sony's way he has not even talked about the games that could be possible with next gen tech...Just complain and speak BS all-day.. to me gears of war/ bulletstorm were good games but nothing mind-blowing.. why don't he truly make a masterpiece( aka last of us/ battlefield 4 style), that makes me pay for a game in full!!! In short stop running your d@me mouth and either retire or create your vision of what a next gen title should be!!!!
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otherZinc  +   699d ago
I haven't purchased a game from gamestop in about 5 years because of this, I'll continue.

When I buy 3 next gen consoles November 2013, not one will come from a Gamestop. Nor, will any games or accessories. Yes, I and my friends are big supporters of gaming, Gamestops undercutting practices is a detriment to developers.
CyberSentinel  +   699d ago
" Add in the fact that there’s more things than ever in 2013 competing for your dollar and you have to have 8+ figure marketing budgets to run ads and what not."

Why doesn't anyone complain about the cost of advertisement in media? Are developers, publishers, and corporations afraid to challenge theses media giants? Hmmm. I think we know the answer to that question. With all the profits GameStop makes off of used games they should advertise for the video game market for free.

If not, go all digital on them.
Bowzabub  +   700d ago
That's because CryEngine is taking over. Cliffy, meet Nvidia. Nvidia meet Cliffy. I can read you like a book punk.
medman  +   700d ago
That's funny, because I'm betting against Cliffy Douchebag.
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Letros  +   700d ago
Steam 4tw
Parasyte  +   700d ago
Ya know...I used to like CLiffy for speaking his mind and not holding anything back. But, since he has left the industry he's started to get annoying.
gedden7  +   700d ago
Who else thinks this attention whore needs to go in a cave to be never heard of again??
shivvy24  +   700d ago
someone should just smash his lambo
medman  +   700d ago
Why punish a car for the insanity of it's owner. Better to take it from him and offer it a better owner.
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NihonjinChick  +   700d ago
This guy doesn't know how to stop talking
BlitzKriegBOOM  +   700d ago
does he ever stop talking crap
Crazay  +   700d ago
It is pretty sad that a game that can sell 3+million copies is deemed to be a failure due to the cost of marketing and development. TombRaider was an absolutely incredible gaming experience and a critical success in every way BUT, it "only sold 4 million copies" so...FAIL! Totally sucks.

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fsfsxii  +   700d ago
Publishers overspend.
EffectO  +   700d ago
Smart bet.
TheDarpaChief  +   700d ago
First tablets are going to win now this. Im done and THANK GOD he isn't on the mgo development team
MWong  +   700d ago
Funny Cliffy B. has always been this way.

That was an interesting stab at M$:

"Customers can smell from a mile away when you’re treating them like children, peeking your head into their bedroom on a regular basis in an attempt to catch them doing something .... It doesn’t FORCE you to be online."

When his beloved XBone became flaky and changed their minds on policies he agreed with you get this:

"My money is on the PC, mobile and tablets for the near future. I wandered around E3 looking at (too many) fantastic games shaking my head and worrying about how many are going to be deemed a failure due to the fact that yes, it may have sold 4 million copies, but it cost too much to make and market, so it was a wash."
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madpuppy  +   700d ago
4 million copies of a 60 dollar game comes out to:

two hundred forty million dollars

that is a lot of scratch for one game, even if you spent a hundred million on development, manufacturing, advertising and retails cut you still made one hundred forty million dollars.

If a hundred forty million dollars in profit on just one game is failure then, there is something extremely wrong with the way publishers are running their business.
gus122  +   699d ago
If only the world was that easy . You can't directly apply profits and costs to a single game so easily . If a game has 240 million dollars of sales , that does not mean that all those sales flow to the party that funded the project . The revenue flows to many different parties . For eg Microsoft and Sony take a cut for using their platform , retailers take a cut , wholesalers take a cut . It's not a straight forward calculation . If the market see's profit in games then good games will continue to be produced . Cliffy B has a point but I don't think next gen is doomed by any means . Money creates good games!
madpuppy  +   698d ago
we can split hairs all day, but, at the end of the day 240 million dollars is a ton of money, even if we take half on expenses that is still 120 million in pure profit, if your trying to tell me that after all that is said and done their profit is a few million then the gaming industry is either not a viable business or it is being run in a real slipshod and foolish fashion.
DVAcme  +   700d ago
I have never seen anyone so dedicated in pissing off the people who provided his livelihood. Not only that, if he's "retired" it means that he is not actively working in the industry right now, so he can just shut the f*ck up about the direction of the industry, considering he doesn't have the insider view anymore.

If I wanted an honest opinion on where the industry is going, I'd ask the indie developers. THOSE guys are the ones who can give us the best view of what direction gaming is taking, both because of their position in the industry and because of their more direct contact with the fans.
darx  +   700d ago
You honestly think he is not on the inside anymore?
DlocDaBudSmoka  +   700d ago
isnt that what retiring means? that he left the industry. So he is not on the inside looking out, hes on the outside looking in.
darx  +   700d ago
I am willing to bet he is still in contact with insiders in the industry.
Godmars290  +   700d ago
"The very popular Game Designer Cliff Bleszinski"

No. Not anymore. He's just an industry doom and gloom troll now. As this article proves.
Roper316  +   700d ago
who cares what a out of work egoist developer thinks? I know I don't. Shouldn't he be out looking for a job or something?

I have only 1 question for Clffy is the used game market is taking so much away from you how did you and your wife afford matching Lamborghini's?

Effin jerk!
darx  +   700d ago
Looking for a job? The dude is worth $15 mill.
Roper316  +   700d ago
but I thought according to him the used game market took all his money? OOOHHH I see 15 million isn't enough for Cliffy Poo, no wonder he & MS are in bed together one is as greedy as the other.

I say screw them both!
FAT MAN GO BOOM  +   700d ago
Cliffy's ego is so big I am surprise he can mange to carry it around all the time...

Guess that is what money does to you... Wish guys like him, Dyack and Jaffy would just shut up and make games...

Just cause we liked your games does not mean we want to be preached to...
die_fiend  +   700d ago
They think if they've made one good game that has spawned a franchise that their opinions need to be heard by all gamers, despite both Jaffe and Cliffy B doing nothing creative in almost a decade
DxTrixterz  +   700d ago
Now that most of DRM stuff has been removed he hates next gen consoles but I can bet when all those DRM crap was still there on X1 he definately preffered X1 over PS4. Now he hates them both. I say it again Cliff B shut the hell up and stop being such a douchebag.
Drekken  +   700d ago
Cliffy B doesn't know when to stop! He sounds like a bitter little boy.
bub16  +   700d ago
shut up douche bag!! you made one good game when the 360 come out and went down hill from there. get over youself

CANT STAND THIS DOUCHE if i saw him in the street i would actually spit on him
Honest_gamer  +   700d ago
was a good read, quite enjoyed it, but regarding the plane that's carrying a space shuttle, that's a special plane, biggest in the world, one of a kind so using that to illustrate your point is pretty silly.
bub16  +   700d ago
and comparing a plane ride with luggage to online drm is a bit far fetched dont you think?
NoxiousTV  +   700d ago
I used to look up to cliffy as I'm a fellow dev and now all I see is someone that is looking for attention and a little press to, so what if he's been around for awhile and helped create the best game engine... He retired and somewhat disowned he gears franchise and now he's hating on the new consoles because of what, no DRM and the used game policy seriously you can't stop used games this early in the industry's life cycle that's something that's going to fix itself in due time you can't force it maybe nudge people into that direction but more and more people are buying their games from the consoles stores instead of going to their local shop why ? Because its faster and more efficient therefore the whole used game thing will blow over
hankmoody  +   700d ago
Out of all of you trashing the guy, not one of you can come up with an intelligent response to what he's written other than, "You're a douche!" or "You've only made one good game." and "Shut up!"

And these are the voices of the gaming community. SMH
YNWA96  +   700d ago
@ hankmoody,
That is so unfair of you. All of these seasoned industry professionals are allowed a voice. If they want to call Cliffy a Douche or anything else, then let them. All of the people who put down cliffy are entitled too, as much as they seem to be suffering from retardation, we should still let them, it empowers them, while they watch Cliffy drive away in his Lamborghini, which he got from making games all his life, and living his dream. Looking below at Manny1up, tell me, what does he do, millions of people bought the gears games, people that own Xbox and PS3. So its easy for the dumb to stick out here. He says 'as a community of gamers', insulting to us all. I am a gamer of all consoles, this idiot represents that fat guy from South Park Warcraft episode, which because of people like him is how the industry sees us all.... Well Done Manny, please make an effort to stand up and claim your acknowledgement...
hankmoody  +   700d ago
Bubble for you. I'm glad someone else gets it.
YNWA96  +   700d ago
These people claim to be gamers, but a great game is crap because it is simply on another platform.... common sense? Bubble to you too Hank...
rainslacker  +   699d ago
Here's my intelligent argument.

PC, Mobile, and consoles can, will, and do coexist as one happy family. They each provide different experiences, different interactions, and different marketplaces to the entire industry.

Saying one thing is the future is just ridiculous. It's so myopic to ignore the very real consumer spending/usage habits that exist, and will continue to exist for the duration of the next gens life time. Consumer trends like he is talking about do not happen over the course of a few years. They take decades.

Even Cliffy said so himself about a month ago when speaking of how digital connected consoles will be the future. New people come in. They are used to a certain way, or more willing to try different things, so market trends change. It's how all this happens. Sure new things come along and carve out their own slice of the market, but it doesn't render the old market obsolete.

I'd honestly believe that MS, Sony, and Nintendo, all have plenty of viable research to show that the console market can and will survive for at least one more generation. They would not be dropping hundreds of millions into R&D, Production, Distribution, and marketing if there wasn't a huge market for consoles. You can bet all three are going to do everything in their power to make sure the console market stays a big part of the future until they have some other way to deliver their content that is console independent.

Console gaming has never been stronger...yet for some reason he claims next gen consoles aren't going to be as popular a marketplace.

I ask...what evidence suggest that?
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hankmoody  +   697d ago
I'm just happy to hear someone speak on these boards that doesn't sound like they're enrolled in remedial English.
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Angeljuice  +   700d ago
How much money do you think he'll send to Lamborghini if/when he sells the cars? Or is it only his profession that deserves to get paid for second-hand sales?
Iltapalanyymi  +   700d ago
when the hell did cliffy became the "thing" of gaming industry? he is always on the news nowadays.
Dazel  +   700d ago
The guy has more right to his opinion than 99% of the fan boy bull plop most spout on here. If you actually read the blog you would see that, he speaks the truth you just need to be smart enough to realise it.
hazelamy  +   700d ago
oh yeah?

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ThatsGaming  +   700d ago
Yes, I would encourage everyone to actually read the blog, and watch the associated You Tube video on used games...

People were quick to discredit MS DRM, but they don't really understand the problem that publishers and developers face.

I agree MS probably didn't sell it very well, but I don't think the Internet really thought this through.
windblowsagain  +   700d ago
Coders - The new celebs?

@septic. You seem to agree with everything about ms or ms people/studios etc. I'm actually starting to think you work for MS.

But if you want to know what's wrong with gears, ok.

Animations are stiff
Run animations are horrible
Graphics are okish in places
Gears 2 was boring and mp was shite.

It's an overrated series, which was given most attention due to the fact the 360 had nothing that stood out and the blood and gore did that

Gears1&3 were ok.

There are many overrated games. Bioshock Infinite being another and Metro 2033 being another.
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Misterhon  +   700d ago
Very popular??? Hahaha
CrossingEden  +   700d ago
look at the amount of likes on that blog and look at his resume, he is definitely not unpopular and if he was developing a ps4 exclusive, EVERYONE here would be praising him -_- so tired of this site's community at this point, HEY I HAVE AN IDEA, how about you come up with an intelligent response instead of wallowing in denial and deluding yourself into thinking that you
-are a better person than him
-are more intelligent than him
-have a better life then him
-have more credibility then him
-have made a name for yourself in the business world
go ahead, and when your response is just a passive aggressive way of dropping the f bomb followed by LOLOLOL then we'll see who's laughing, and that goes to every playstation fanboy commenting on this article, EXPLAIN, make a counter response to all of those points i listed, otherwise, you need to find something more productive to do then clicking on every article with this guy's name and saying "OMGERRD CLIFF, SHUT UP, YOU CAN'T STATE YOUR OPINION CLIFF" and more then half the time, you people don't even read the articles themselves, which completely defeats the purpose
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YNWA96  +   700d ago
Apparently when you cower behind a keyboard you can say anything you like... look below...
iceman06  +   699d ago
I understand your frustration, but I think you are missing something here. People are angry. Anger can be irrational at best and damaging at worse. As for as your list. Well, a lot of that is subjective (aside from maybe the last 2). We really don't know him personally, we don't have IQ test scores to compare, and a "better life" is a subjective thing (more money...he wins...better life..who knows?"
I read the article and I can completely see AND understand where he is coming from. Yet, I don't completely agree with him. I neither praise him or loath him. He is entitled to an opinion, but so is everybody else...no matter how irrational they might be.
hazelamy   700d ago | Bad language | show
SpinalRemains  +   700d ago
I'm just glad the headline didn't refer to him as Cliffy B.
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