The Xbox One u-turn on digital rights policies will see the platform claw back consumer belief in the platform and will sell as many units as the PS4, Wedbush analyst Michael Pachter has said.
No it won't, not at $500.
Yes. Not a chance the Xbox One sells anywhere close to the PS4. As you wrote, 100 dollars more expensive. And: * The PS4 has a huge graphics/system power advantage * The PS4 is already massively ramping up production, with a target of a million a month around launch, to be ready for US and European sales around the end of September 2013. And Japan will follow shortly after that. * The Xbox One doesn't even have an official Japanese launch timeframe. * The Xbox One doesn't work or is pointless to buy in a large number of areas/countries in the world It makes no sense to even suggest that it is even possible that the Xbox One will sell anywhere near PS4 numbers. And to make an already near fatal situation for Microsoft's beleaguered Xbox One, the RRoD won't be inflating Microsoft's installed base numbers by tens of millions like it did with the Xbox 360 this gen.
"The Xbox One doesn't work or is pointless to buy in a large number of areas/countries in the world" Thats no longer true: http://www.justpushstart.co...
I think initially, the PS4 will outsell the Xbox as I've found that even people who don't keep up with gaming news caught wind of Xbox One's previous restrictions and have decided to get the PS4. Later on, I think the Xbox one will have a chance of building some momentum.
first thing to know is that Pachter always talks about North America only "We are confident that with six months of focused messaging, Microsoft can fully level the playing field with Sony, and we expect the Xbox One to sell as many units as the PS4," this is my guess as well, but 50/50 in the USA is the best that MS can expect at the $500 price point.
however you look at it all Microsoft did through this whole ordeal is lose a chunk of their fan base.
we're back to normal basically in comparison to last gen except they just lost some fans permanently. true some will come back due to the flip flop they just had but if pachter is talking 50/50 in the USA then thats going to be a nasty blow to them because the majority of their sales came from the USA
They already showed weakness when they backed down. You NEVER back down,.....even when you're wrong. I'd laugh my ass off if they add drm in later after all these people thinkits safe and buy an Xbox
Don't forget about all of the big and small developers. In the next few years I see Sony pulling ahead considerably.
$100 more means nothing if it has the games IMHO , and it does. Had MS went in to E3 like this then they'd of won the show as all Sony had going for them was announcing they had the opposite restriction policies. Otherwise Sony had a very boring show. Im also sure a two tier pricing will come eventually too. I think the playing field is a lot more even and sales will reflect that. It's N4G so im sure I'll get 4554 unjustified disagrees from the 90% Sony population here. But as a neutral party being a PC Gamer, I see MS making a smart move. Kudos for Sony setting a good example and to the interwebs for providing a good forum for whining--it got things done.
I can see a huge price drop before release. Microsoft will say that they are doing it as a sorry. X1 - $399 with Kinect. X1 - £349 with Kinect. Who knows, Microsoft could do it if they wanted to be really aggressive. I know I would definitely be an extra customer.
There is no way they are dropping the price by 100 with the Kinect.
That mean that they would sell at a loss
No way on earth would Microsoft change pricing, they even said that to IGN, so just go with the ps4 if your on a budget stop having wet dreams about the console being cheaper coz it wont. They'll drop price in 2-3 years..
@Livecustoms That reason will be the reason for it's demise. This console offers absolutely no advantage in "gaming" than the other and is well documented plagued by pr crap. Stick to the MS guns of 499 and be stubborn like the Sega Saturn. History repeats itself. Overpriced with a useless camera and being "budget" are two different things
Well only recently everyone on here was saying they will never ever 3 bags full change their drm policies. Now you get ppl saying theres no way they will drop their price. Why not? Microsoft have huge deep pockets. Lose a few 100 million in the 1st year and don't spend quite so much on tv advertising. I can see it now. X1 $399 from day one with Kinect.
unchartedxplorer - If I recall correctly, didn't Sony last gen sell a console at a loss at launch? I believe it was around $200 they were losing on every sale of the console.
Though I highly doubt a price drop would happen for the Xbox One. Guaranteed it will remain $499.99 at launch. If it's possible for Microsoft to hear our opinions on the Kinect and pushes out another SKU that doesn't have the Kinect, I could live without the Kinect.
You got to think about these things beyond the simple scope of sales or matching Sony, since other things DO come into play. Like they might "lose a few hundred million in the first year", but that's not all they lose. Nothing says the price drop will instantly make people flock to the Xbox One, it just means that it will put the PS4 and it on equal footing. However, doing that and VASTLY changing their business model will lower investor confidence and will result in M$ stock going down. I mean, would you invest in a company that lower the price by 20% / removed DRM only a month after ANNOUNCING IT, cause I sure wouldn't. Also as I've posted a few different times, the Xbox One is "pretty much" $400 dollars like the PS4, but since the kinect is required, the price goes up another $100. It's hard to say how much they're making on the Xbox One right now, but it's completely plausible that they're STILL taking a loss on the $500 dollar price tag or making close to nothing.
they won't lower the price, it's a american company. NA way of thinking, sale and make large profit. 20% or more! Asian way of thinking, sale and a make small profit, and that'll help move lots units into everyone home. If ms was smart, they'll bundle a full on-line MP game with 1 free xbox gold member. perfect example would be drive club for psn+
@unchartedxplorer you must be new to gaming or something....almost every console sells at a loss.
The PS3 sold just fine at a higher price point than its competition. Hell, it was more than 499 at launch - 7 years ago. Consumers don't care as much about a supposed advantage in raw power as they do about games and features. And seriously - if $100 differences truly mattered in tech then iPhones and Galaxy S's wouldn't be the best selling phones right now. I still think PS4 will sell more initially because they seem to have a larger initial supply. Time will tell on the long term though.
the ps3 looked amazing and came with alot of stuff 360 did not have bluray, wifi, superior graphics, its not the same for the Xone its weaker and ps4 has everything it has and more for 100 less its not the same situation at all.
back then PlayStation was far more popular around the world than Xbox, and it is still that way to today. it's in Microsoft's best interest to always offer a cheaper console than Sony, or to offer a console with much better features if the price is higher. I think Xbox One will initially sell well in the first two years but as time goes by and prices drop PS4 will sell far more.
The PS3 was worth it at that price. Bluray, built in wifi, hdmi ports, web browser, and better hardware. no RROD! The Xbox one is not worth 499. M$ still has to prove they can make a console that does not have 50% failure rate. M$ is rushing their Xbox one to the market. They had no idea that Sony would release the PS4 this year.
Different economy now 7 years later. We're in the Obama years now. 1in 3 families on food stamps. I think $500 is a little strap. I have the 360, ps3, and the wii. This time I'm only buying 1 ....the ps4. If I get my old income back I'll get a gaming PC and a ps4,...and if not (probably not) just buying ps4
The XBox had a 54% fail rate. So $499 looked pretty darn good. Plus Blu-ray, built in wi-fi, free online, plus MGS4? Sold.
Yes it sold well Playstation at that time was and still is more popular than Xbox world wide.PS3 at launch cost 599$ it came with a built in blu-ray player for both movies and games 999$ for standalone players at the time.The 60gb model had everything 4 USB slots,HDMI,SD slot,Compact Flash memory slot,Memory stick duo slot,USB charger for your controller 100% backwards compatibility and more powerful/reliable hardware.Sales declined so they stripped all those awesome features out released a slim version for 299$ BAM sales soared so no consumers care about price first and games second.
Freaking Pachter man, that guy is something else.. sigh. PS4 will win at least the first year. unless microsoft subsidises. I believe that people are stupid enough to buy into that shit
It will. If not it will sell more. I bet people will easily pay an extra 100. This is nothing like ps2 users buying 360's. These systems are coming out qt similar times and people on 360 will want to upgrade consoles and keep their friend list and account.
All my friends are refusing to get an X1. They've had it with MS. There is no real reason to upgrade your 360 right now, there just isn't. I see the X1 gaining popularity after a few years of its release, but by then it will be way to late.
Plus the price point really stinks.
Want to keep your friends list? U have a phone
This.. drop the mandatory kinect crap and we'll talk, until then I will wait until at least Titanfall's release before I bend over and accept I have to spend extra on an accessory I have no interest in.
Sigh.... Kinect will go the way of the Move if its not Mandatory. I for one don't want that. Go get a PS4 if your so against Kinect, I hear they are pretty good.
If Kinect will fail if it isn't mandatory, perhaps that's an indication of it's popularity. Motion gaming just isn't desirable by most gamers not to mention if the minimum range is 3 meters, it's completely useless for me anyway unless I start moving furniture. Forcing me to spend an extra £100 or so for a device I can't even fully utilize nor have any interest in is wrong.
Totally agree. Drop the camera and the price to 399-449 and I might consider getting it for DR3 and Quantum Break.
My question is, with all these changes will it still be truly ready for launch this year. It seems nothing with the console is set in stone and that they have been rushing it since the PS4 reveal in February. I worry about the rumours of cooling issues as well. I do want one now after the changes to the policy but I think I will wait a little longer yet. I certainly won't get one at launch.
The only cooling issue rumors I've seen are about the PS4, tho
Nope it will not the damage has been done and plus its 100 $ more! Also I think Microsoft just changed the drm for launch afterwards u see they'll say we have 2 update and bring back the old restrictions
we said the same thing about the PS3, 7 years ago
Higher cost, not as powerful and lost of key features due to new policy. I will have to disagree with Pachter. Lost Features due to policy change: One-time install of disc-based games – A feature on the Xbox One that would allow you the ability to switch between games without having to switch between discs, is now gone. The idea behind this was “wherever you go your games go to.” Now whenever you take your Xbox One somewhere else (over to a mates place) your going to have to take your physical copies with you. This would of been the ideal feature for game collectors and people who are just to lazy to get up and swap the disc’s. Game sharing - Microsoft’s offer to let you share Xbox One games with up to nine other “family” members is gone, too.
I agree... if there are 2 pallets of consoles at Best Buy, Target, Walmart, etc., and a parent comes in to buy their kid a holiday gift, which one do they choose, a console from the pallet that has a sign that says $399 (PS4) or the one from the pallet that says $499(XB1)? Price is the biggest selling point in most consumers' minds. That is one of the reasons that the 360 did so well. They sold a SKU with a smaller hard drive, no wireless, etc. Not to mention, the PS4 now comes bundled with an HDMI cable and a wired headset. Not so with the XB1. That is additional cost that will make a difference in potential buyers' minds.
Even on even price footing, I highly doubt the Xbox One would match the PS4 in sales. For an analyst who's supposed to specialize in the game industry, he seems unable to learn any lessons from the past. As I pointed out in another thread, at the end of their first Christmas on the market together, the 360 enjoyed almost a 9 million lead over the PS3. Now, that lead has been completely erased and based on data from market research firms, as of March this year the PS3 was up by 2 million. So what conclusions should Mr. Pachter be drawing from this? Despite the price difference, there was clearly more consumer appetite for the Playstation worldwide. Why do you think that was and has anything changed in terms of brand recognition? Now with the PS4 $100 cheaper, with more powerful hardware, without the Wii fad sapping casuals away, with all Microsoft's bad press and the fact that still 33% fewer Americans will be able to setup their product than were able to use the 360 due to the internet requirement (let alone other countries with limited internet)....STILL Pachter predicts a tie? Did the guy learn nothing from this past gen?
If Sony choses the same marketing as with the PS3(word of mouth), i definitely see how MS could compete. We allready now MS will be rolling out the big cannons advertising everywhere.
The problem is, the Xbox One will now sell because the restrictions are gone. You've been hearing it everywhere that in some places the Xbox One is most preordered and in some the PS4 is. I'd say in terms of sales, it's an even battle. In terms of content, Sony has it in the bag.
I sincerely doubt that they will sell as many Xbones as PS4s. Too much negative press.
Yeah my younger brother and my best friend who were both xbox only gamers this gen both pre-ordered the PS4, and even after yesterdays announcement neither one of them are going back. My brother due the fact that he hates the kinect and my friend because of $500 price tag. Which are two factors that i think will still deter a lot of people, especially parents(who aren't gamers) who are planning on buying a system for their kids.
If Pachter says A........then B will happen.
Yes it will. It has a greater market.
Woo had forecast unit sales of 10 million for the Sony console in 2014, and five million for Xbox One. He told us this morning that his forecasts haven’t changed, despite Microsoft’s U turn on Xbox One DRM. I still think 399$ matters
In all honesty. The price was always the biggest factor for the casual market. PS4 will (now when the boxes are so similar) move substantially more numbers just cause the price difference alone.
And the fact that MS stated they will not release the Xbox1 in Asia until late 2014. The ps4 will be released in most territory's around the world. America alone wont be nearly enough to sell as much as the ps4.
Good news for gammers! Competition is extremely important, otherwise these companies will become monsters!
Hehe Microsoft started transforming into one a bit early then no?
What news? This is a mere prediction.
i don't think so if you look back to the 360 and ps3 ( i know now the ps3 outsells the 360), it was the xbox that was wining due to its low entry point and consumers were not listening to sony blu ray is the future all they cared about was price.
But the ps3 sold more units every year they both were on the market. The lead was because of the headstart.
The year to year and a half head start was the main reason for the early lead. The PS3 constantly outsold the 360 on a yearly basis even with the hefty price difference. Would the PS3 have sold more had the entry point been lower? No doubt. Obviously, people saw blu ray as the future because when all of the movie studios, Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy, Blockbuster, & just about every other giant tech company stands with Sony & blu ray, the consumers KNEW that blu ray was the future. You cant argue with history.
True, but now both have Blu-ray drives, so perhaps that makes Xbox even more appealing to casual customers, especially with the Kinect.
No it won't. Not when it is € 100 more expensive than the PS4. Not only that but the Playstation brand is more powerful than the Xbox brand and the "war" between PS3 VS 360 is proof of that.
Pachter back to his old ways already? I prefer the PS4 interface to the Xone80's. I can really do with less advertising in my face and more about what matter's to me. What my friends are up to and what my gamer tag says about me.
Even if it does Sony still wins because of BluRay which makes you kinda wonder why people are still going on about a console war when Sony has a hand in both consoles?
On this it's definitely a no. Microsoft can't possibly sell many units, because of the way they screwed over consumers.
How were customers screwed over by Microsoft? The damned thing won't even be available for five months! Plus they gave customers what they want. Seriously, I don't understand people.
I was lied to when I kept telling Microsoft all through 2006 into 2007 that there was DEFINITELY something wrong with the hardware because my dumb unit would malfunction or continuously scratch my discs. I was refused free dlc from developers that WANTED to give it to me. I was banned on a few occasions for days on end for erroneous reasons while paying for Live only later to be told: "Oops. Our bad." Fortunately, I saw the warning signs early & abandoned ship in March 2007 when the BRAND NEW Xbox I REPURCHASED broke a week later. Fortunately, Best Buy has a good warranty plan. I ditched it for a PS3 & never looked back until I received a free Xbox in 2012 which sits in a corner. True stories from DOW Rip Riduh (Xbox tag) Rip-Ridah (PSN).
No, they didn't give customers what they want, they omitted one thing that customers don't want.
i will be picking up an xbox 1 first and ps4 a little later
You'll have maybe 10 people to play with online while some fat low paid guy watches u get all sweaty racing in forza before someone who's mad at you comes in the room and ruins your race by saying "Xbox off"
calm down kid dont get ur panties in a bunch just because i am getting an xbox first...
Quite possible, cause wether you want to believe it or not, MS got franchises that people want to play.
irrelevant, half of europe cant even buy the console, not even import it, it simply will not work for them. also... Remove Kinect and $100 and gamers will start to take notice.