Hey Microsoft. We want DRM back.

If you haven’t heard already, MS have back-tracked on their policies that previously blocked used games and required the Xbox 1 to be connected to the internet once every 24 hours. Surely this a good thing you might ask? Well, as it turns out, not necessarily.

[vishant101]

If there was some sort of indication that games were cheaper because of drm microsoft could have come off a lot better. imagine what could have been if they said games would be $40 instead of $60.

[CaEsAr-]

I know right? They even didn't bother to give much details about the family share plan.

And no, we (gamers) don't want this BS.

[NewMonday]

turns out the "family share plan" had a limit of one hour before stopping and getting asked to buy the game. that was the catch.

a glorified "demo" plan

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[Imalwaysright]

And to think some people were willing to give up their rights for that half-assed feature.

[BallsEye]

@newmonday

That is simply not true. It has been said many times family members can play without any limits as long as they are online. If they go off game is blocked after an hour. Stop quoting guy from neogaff that was SO WRONG about his 100% sure e3 info.

IT WAS CONFIRMED IT'S NOT LIMITED TO 1H so stop spreaidng fanboy crap.

[angryraptor]

Try this Link:
http://www.heyuguysgaming.c...
It appears that shared plan was more of a glorified demo plan. Just found this out myself. Makes me feel better knowing this as I perceived this as a great feature initially, but now not so much of a loss.

[The_Con-Sept]

I don't think developers would want to take such a loss when it comes to dropping the price of new games.

Especially EA. Call of Duty 4 modern warfare is still 30.00 new.

[otakukidd]

@ballseye

Actually they didn't. There was one very vague statement they made about it when they revealed there DRM plan. And couple of sentences which they said you could add anyone to it. The rest is just fanboy speculation. Developers would kill them if they did what people thought they were doing then same way they bashed Sony. Also that neogaf link is true. I was sceptical of the leaker at first but then he leaked everything Microsoft did at e3 4 days before it. So yeah credible.

[creatchee]

This whole "it was only one hour" argument only proves that people will believe a rumor if it serves their purposes.

The rumor was from an anonymous poster on an anonymous posting board. I could write my own. Anyone could. It doesn't make it true.

It could be true, but the fact that it is unconfirmable should be factored into the equation instead of the peanut gallery repeatedly quoting a rumor.

[The Meerkat]

That was the only strategy I could think of that made DRM palatable.

If they had done that then Sony would be the ones on the back foot.

But they way things are now I get the feeling MS have no idea how to drive their product forward, so I'll sit back and wait until I'm convinced they know what they're doing before I buy one.

[hellvaguy]

I was looking forward to the of drm where youd never have to load your game discs again. Woulda been nice.

[ashade]

there are no way they do that, i read somewhere who did some research said if they lower the game price (40$) their total income will lower by 10% which i think will hurt them more than get rid of DRM and keep the price at 60$

[SIRHC13]

Is this the new trend? To reflect and act like DRM is what we actually needed?

[matgrowcott]

The problem here is that the people who were complaining about DRM have largely said "Good move Microsoft, now get rid of Kinect and drop the price and we'll talk."

On the other hand, people who had pre-ordered based on features included in the Xbox One, now removed, are saying "so now what are we supposed to do?"

From a general standpoint, it seems Microsoft have done a good thing, but I think people are generally unsure if it's had an actual payoff.

[BelieveinGhosts]

I was one of those people, i came back home at night to relax and catch up on the latest gaming news and BAM.....It hit me Microsoft have killed the vision of Xbox One.

Think about it, how can you spend hours on two big conferences during the Xbox reveal on May 21st and the E3 briefing and just totally chicken out of your Philosophy.

I couldnt believe it. Any way i believe that every thing happens for a reason. Surprisng now i took a second look at the PS4 and it is much more exciting to me. My only dissapointment is that Sony dont have many exclusives at launch and Infamous Second Son was pushed back till next year.

Instead of buying 2 Xbox Ones's like i planned, i think i will just get a PS4 instead.

[iceman06]

@BelieveinGhosts...don't worry, that is not the TOTAL exclusives list. We still don't know what the European and Japanese have in store for us at launch. Those bits will come at Gamescon and Tokyo Game Show as usual. All in all, there are supposedly 40 exclusive titles to be released in 2014.

[mmj]

It's like the escaped kidnap victim asking to go back.

[Veneno]

Lolololololololol! :D

[theDECAY]

Seriously? All this back and forth from both Microsoft and people is getting annoying. Can't we just agree this DRM stuff seems pretty crap?

[WeAreLegion]

No, you don't.

[Cernunnos]

DRM is the consumers worst enemy. Kill DRM.

[Hufandpuf]

Kill Steam then.

[kayoss]

Steam and home consoles are two different things.
People who choose steam over console already know that they can not resell their games, lend out their games, or own the phyiscal game. THats a given and they accepted that fact. People who own consoles want to own the physical games, lend out their games, and resell their games thats why the console gamers out number steam gamers.
If you go with steam you have accepted DRM and the majority dont want DRM therefore they look towards consoles.

[iceman06]

Steam is a subscription service, Xbox One is a console with the features "built in". For most, they knowingly go into the subscription with Steam. For consoles, not so much. If MS had so many issues explaining it's console, then imagine what Suzy Homemaker would have thought once she bought the console for 12 y/o Jimmy? He doesn't really know, she doesn't really know...now back to the store to trade.

[jivah]

steam lets me play offline and lets me install games as many times as i want on top of which it is heavily rumored that valve is checking out ways to properly implement game sharing.

[Hufandpuf]

@Kayoss He said consumers, people that use Steam aren't consumers?

@iceman Steam is not subscription based

@Jivah You have to log onto Steam first in order to use it offline

[tkato]

If MS wanted to say "Hey there's DRM now but games are gonna cost 1\4 less!" they would have, but I seriously doubt that was their plan.

[matgrowcott]

You'd have seen unparalleled sales (for consoles, anyway). Reduction of new games isn't going to happen until we go full digital though.

[tkato]

Sorry but price reduction for digital material should have been announced even before the DRM, look at iTunes, do you think they'd get away with it just because it's more comfortable?, no, it's cheaper.
look at Steam, do you think that it would have been popular if the only benefits were that you get to buy games online?,

When you go full digital you completely dodge the whole publishing prices, packaging costs, shipping etc etc, this should have been reflected directly on the price, and should have been hailed from the get-go.

I Know MS, I own a 360, it's the only console I have, they're just greedy. they'd love to set the price on 60$ and just drag the gamers kicking and screaming and soon enough some AAA game is gonna come along and all the gamers that weren't happy with the price before would've paid it anyway, and MS pockets more cash, because they sell a cheaper product.

I don't buy the "no DRM will ruin the industry" argument either, the industry became an industry because people want to play, and are willing to pay, as long as people have interest in games, they will keep developing, restricting the gamer and not catering to his needs is the thing that can ruin an industry.

[matgrowcott]

@Tkato

It's pretty well established by this point that publishers literally can't outprice themselves at retail. When GAME was on the brink of shutting down, several PC-only developers came out of the woodwork accusing them of threatening to not sell games that had Steam DRM because of the ability to drop the price so quickly and easily.

I don't have stats readily at hand, but I'm guessing if that's a problem for a format that is 70% digital, it'll be a problem for a format where people are still fighting to have physical copies of everything they own.

That's why PS3 games are £50 digitally and £40 in the shops. It's not a case of "OMG so greedy." It's a case of not being allowed to give themselves an advantage over brick and mortar stores.

A full-digital console, with no disk-based counterpart, would have cheaper games. Until that though, expect full price regardless of where you buy it. With MS's attitude towards retailers with the Xbox One basically being "stick it," I honestly think they'd have tried to make up for the high digital price with great sales.

That last bit is pure speculation, of course, and now we'll never know, but it'd certainly have been possible for them to do.

[greenlantern2814]

yup because they had already stated they would still be 60 dollars us. and if their DRM was so great why take it and all those features away from xbox live gold members

[cleft5]

Oh look a story from a site called Game One Daily, sure that site isn't biased at all.

[WeAreLegion]

It's Game On Daily.

I still hate this article, but I had to let you know.

[yewles1]

"Hey Microsoft. We want our Rights Taken Away After all. Please Treat us like Cattle."

That's exactly how I read that title...

[hellvaguy]

The ironic part is people still under the impression that they have rights under the new socialist America movement.

[iceman06]

Nothing NEW about this. They only just got CAUGHT recently.

[ashade]

but...but...but... the family sharing plan

[ben_jamin0]

DRM is something that will eventually have to deal with when physical copies become obsolete (whenever that ever happens) and digital downloads are the norm.

I guess Microsoft wanted to go this way with consoles just like steam is for PC but there was no justification from them, if we were told that they would be cheaper I personally would of had no quarrel.

The issue lies in digital vs physical, why buy digitally and not have the ability to resale when you can buy physical for the same price, lend it to a friend and eventually sell it on, Digital should be cheaper because of this.

[Bhuahahaha]

lol so some people want m$ to do abother 180 after it goes 180 'coz of drm
make sense now we can all call it xb1-360

[Veneno]

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[Cam977]

Guys, this author is ahardcore MS fan and sees good in everything they do. Look at the site name and other articles they've posted. Downvoted.

[coolasj]

It's all non-sense. If Microsoft was dedicated to lowering prices they should have shown a gesture of good faith and lowered their prices before the generation even started. Even $5 would have been enough proof.

[Hicken]

Well, maybe YOU do. But I don't. And most gamers with any sense in their head don't.

So you go have MS make you a DRM-laden console JUST for you; the rest of us are quite happy without.

[Kratoscar2008]

Dont care for any of that, Digital games feel "soulless" to me, while a Phisycal copy has a soul and it really give a great sense of owning so this digital future is basically not a future i would like to experience.

And not to mention in my country internet is so slow and erratic that this future would basically doom pretty much most of the population of this hobby here, so screw to that.

[Typical-Guy]

Stockholm syndrome....

[Veneno]

Masochism.

[iceman06]

Oh my God he's beating me...yay I'm free...wait why isn't he still beating me? Excuse me...Mr...umm...could you beat me again...I miss that! LOL +Bubs for the HUMOR!!!

[tigertom53]

why can't they still give us all these feature am sure their engineers can figure it out for at least digital downloads if you choice... come on Microsoft it you that can make this console and features rock.....

[blib]

I love how all the perks that Microsoft were talking about are now being lumped together with DRM. This is called muddying the water. Fact. DRM is imposed on you. The second you offer the services as OPTIONS they become features, not DRM. The console manufactures are welcome to offer us any bells and whistles they think will attract us to their products. What is not acceptable is bottlenecking our game OS with DRM that limits functionality for no good reason other than control of our purchases.

[Jat187]

Having to keep your disc in to play is a definite backward step. No matter which way you look at it.

Queuing up multiplayer sessions is such a great feature. But having to switch disc negates this.

[MasterCornholio]

Why? Just for a glorified demo plan that limits your family members to an hour of gameplay?

I really dont think its worth it due to the horrible conditions of the family plan.

Did people really think that it wouldnt have some sort of limitation?

http://www.heyuguysgaming.c...

"The premise is simple and elegant, when you buy your games for Xbox One, you can set any of them to be part of your shared library. Anyone who you deem to be family had access to these games regardless of where they are in the world. There was never any catch to that, they didn’t have to share the same billing address or physical address it could be anyone. When your family member accesses any of your games, they’re placed into a special demo mode. This demo mode in most cases would be the full game with a 15-45 minute timer and in some cases an hour. This allowed the person to play the game, get familiar with it then make a purchase if they wanted to. When the time limit was up they would automatically be prompted to the Marketplace so that they may order it if liked the game."

[ger2396]

@ ballseye, you really think publishers were going to allow one person to purchase one game. Then turn around and let 10 other people play it for free? Publishers would lose about $500 per share plan. No way that was going to happen.

[greenlantern2814]

you are right i am sure they where all like whe the [email protected] do you think your doing.

[SpinalRemains138]

Plz spy on me, render my gamefly account useless, make me check in every hour like I'm in high school, force me to subscribe to gold, pay more for less, trick me with family sharing which is really an hour demo and nowhere near ad good as the actual digital sharing of the whole game like on ps3, plz treat me like a baby and force me to install my disk because you're afraid that I may have borrowed it from my best friend.

AND WHILE ALL OF THAT IS TAKING PLACE, PLZ FORCE ME TO LOOK AT ADVERTISEMENTS EVEN THOUGH IM PAYING FOR EVERYTHING!

Mental illness.
That is the only explanation.

There is a cure though.
It is a little black console made by SONY. There's a 3 and the 4 is coming soon.