PS4’s lower price will give it the upper hand against Xbox One despite Microsoft’s decision to backtrack on its DRM policies last night, analysts have told us.
The price. And... * The massive graphical power advantage the PS4 has over the weak Xbox One + The huge power advantage the PS4's very fast system RAM has over the outdated Xbox One's RAM + The 50 percent more powerful graphics hardware + The 2 gigs more RAM the PS4 has for games to utilize + The lack of any sort of Kinect crap running constantly * The massive exclusive advantage the PS4 has over the Xbox One + Sony's gigantic first party studio line up compared to the Microsoft's tiny and casual shovelware focused first party studios + The amazing Japanese developer support for the PS4 + The smaller developers flocking to the PS4 * Gaikai online service integration * The upgradeable harddrive * The small and elegant hardware design along with internal power supply instead of the ugly and bulky Xbox One with yet another giant external powerbrick * The PS4 works in everywhere. The Xbox One only works in some parts of the world.
Kinect ruined it for me !
i hate kinect stupid usher dance cam.
I will never buy an xbox whilst kinect is mandatory. ** ARE you lisening M$
Does anybody here seriously think that Microsoft (One of the greediest corporations out there) will actually sell a product at a loss? Yea maybe after it's been on the market for years, but within the first 2 years of the console? No.. unless it does so bad that selling them at a loss is their only option.
Every time you use kinect, a kitten dies. It was on Kinect's website, honest! J/K
As long as they have Kinect, I will not buy another Xbox console. I just don't get along with this motion/voice control thing. I'd rather sit on my couch, and use physical buttons thank you very much. Kinect is the most creepiest form of privacy invasion!
I can guarantee you that by the time the xb1 releases there will be either an extra sku without the kinect or the kinect will not be a forced purchase included in the box. I can bet my bottom dollar Microsoft is scrambling right now and now that they had to swallow their pride anything goes with them.
@BigFnHooters Apparently you didn't watch Microsoft's e3 presentation, because I didn't see any "shovel-ware" games. In fact Microsoft actually revealed more first party AAA exclusives than Sony and zero of them were kinect only or kinect at all for that matter. Oh and i'm not sure what you mean by the amazing Japanese dev support...MGS5, FFXV, and kingdom hearts 3 are all coming to Xbone. Plus Microsoft has their cloud working at launch when you have to wait till next year till Sony gets all of Gaikai's features which, from the looks of it, is going to be worse than Microsoft's cloud anyways. The price of the ps4 and the fact that it has much better hardware are super advantageous for the PS4 however, and that is why i will be purchasing one, plus Naughty Dog is awesome. But alas arguing with someone who doesn't know the facts is pointless. Not really surprised that someone so misinformed as you can get a "well said" on n4g though.
Wow, Mainsqueeze has more disagrees than agrees? Jesus Christ, this site is absolutely pathetic. I mean, honestly, the number of Sony fanboys here is outstanding. I don't support the Xbox One at all, but they honestly showed more exclusive games. That's a fact. And the N4G mods apparently need to be replaced. If they can't even check their own damn facts before handing out "Well Said" bubbles (well, they hand them out to anyone that says anything disturbingly fanboyish to Sony, really), then what are they there for? Jeez.
All Kinect 1.0 did for me was annoy me online when playing with people using it as a mic,you'd hear there dogs barking, mums calling, crisps being eaten, beers being open, moronic laughter. I think I will miss this one :)
@mainsqueeze Ummm... you do know how the spread with core game/casual BS went with the x360 right? " In fact Microsoft actually revealed more first party AAA exclusives than Sony" Sooooo this means that MS will be pushing out more exclusive games than Sony? C'mon be real. Cloud?! FFS could people please stfu about this buzzword already? Let's see it in action before we use it to try and gain ground.
So PS4 rules right ?? xD
i love @BigFnHooters's comment because its all facts no going around anything to try and be better. like xbox
Hell yeah PS4 rules. The Kinect alone will keep people away. I have both systems currently, but only the PS4 this next generation. Every single Xbone feature alone is enough to keep me away, so them changing the DRM, 24hr check-in, used game policy and now the price drop to $399 are just them scrambling to keep from losing too much ground. But the forced Kinect is still enough to make me steer clear.
@BigFnHooters, Nobody can argue with your comment! +bubble!!
I didn't catch a word of his comment. I was distracted by those big beautiful knockerz.
Microsoft has already made a big u turn on DRM who knows what will happen before release. Microsoft have very deep pockets what if they go $299 on release and the 360 drops to $129 with Kinect. I'm sure that's right there on the table if they really want to sell tons.
If they go to $299 you can easily expect them to go bankrupt at selling at that high of a loss.
they WILL go 299 if the first 6 months are catastrophic. Wii U will go 199 this xmas for obvious reasons. Let's all wait and see.
M$ can't undercut Sony no matter what they do. Unless they decide to remove the Kinect and Blu-ray drive. Which they cannot do, since even in the current gen there were spacing constraints.
If Sony is only making a $25 profit/PS4 @ $400, M$ has to be making probably $10-15 profit/XBone @ $500. If that since they are scrapping some features they were previously implementing. That's R&D money down the drain.
Mwong... "M$ can't undercut Sony no matter what they do." What are you talking about, Microsoft have the money to sell at a loss a big loss if they wanted too. Sony hasn't got that option.
MS execs and share holders are already suggesting that MS sell off it's Xbox division, what makes you think that they are going to allow gaming division to blow through all of that money? http://www.geekwire.com/201... Just because Microsoft as a whole has a lot of money does not mean they are going to allow the Xbox division by itself to blow through a huge chunk of it. Not to mention since Apple and Google are spanking them in other business ventures you better believe that they are going to be penny pinching that money like Mr. Krabs himself.
Kobe, most generations have done this exact thing. Get millions of consoles out there and make a ton of money selling games etc. Shareholders etc could equally love an aggressive stance as much as they wouldn't.
First of all, generations dont sell consoles, companies do. Secondly in past generations companies took loses on consoles yes but the loses were manageable (except for the PS3s case). You are suggesting that they take at least a hundred dollar lost for each console sold just to match Sonys console and that's assuming they aren't taking a lose on the console already. People would have to buy 2 games at launch to cover the cost.
some of you are ridiculous... 2013 MS isn't 2005 MS...2005 was before Vista, before the Zune, and before the Xbox division's billion+ dollar public hardware beta...2005 was before Apple latched its hooks in and has been systematically removing mass quantities of market share...with a freaking expensive mp3 player. 2005 was before MS would blatantly ignore mobile connectivity and devices, and buy back into it with Windows phone...which is going no where, only barely edging the nearly bankrupt blackberry...Before they lost awareness of how people would use 'home' computers. Before Bing, before losses to botched Ford contracts, before more monopoly lawsuits, etc., etc., etc.... but yeah...When pressure is reaching an all time high from shareholders to finally axe a 'risky endeavor' that very few agreed with since inception...just cut the price nearly in half on the xbox one...that should work, right? I'd love to see what would happen if some of you ever get to have any decision making within a publicly traded company...
Well said Kleptic. Someone is paying attention.
What MSFT has yet to explain is how supposed "power of the cloud" will work now? Games can be played offline now, so: -will you get an inferior version when offline? -will the game be playable at all? -will developers take into consideration that game can be played offline? -or was it just a BIG lie(one more)to justify the obvious inferior specifications compared to the PS4 The X1 at this point feels more rushed than the X360 at its time, one can't get a clear picture of what makes it so special for that price and still XBLG restrictions, SONY has said that one account of PS+ enables all accounts in the console for multiplayer and play content, both purchased and PS+ Freebies and that you don't need PS+ to access services you already pay for (Netflix, Free-To-Play games, etc) that's a clear answer and way to let us know that PS+ is there for the value it offers rather than some lock to use internet services on X1 like on X360 Now that DRM is not there it and launching head to head, it's gonna be interesting to see how big the X360 installbase is, those millions today includes lots of RROD and backup units, myself owned 4 X360...not every X360/PS3 will uppgrade of course but ratio should be similar. MSFT will now have an excuse to kill the X360 support since the "stick to the X360" to play offline is not needed anymore, they did't "hear" gamers for free...that will be their way to try to force people to upgrade, they will blame it on some XBL BS friendlist cap or Major Nelson not having time to blog both platforms.... but I can bet there are more X360 owners switching to PS4 than the other way around.
the cloud is marketing bs, if it was a real boost to anything they would be showing it off like crazy, but what are they doing instead? they are just talking about its potential and how great it will be in future. Besides, many people experienced in games development have stated that they have no clue how this feature will improve anything. I try to be as positive as I can usually, but I like to see proof when people hype something to be the next big thing, I've been fooled too many times (I am a huge fool after all) in the past by crap like this.
@Ed - What you're ignoring is how slow the cloud will be due to internet connection speeds. The kind of cloud computing MS is implying is merely PR talk, and will remain so for at least another generation, if not longer. I see you're still sticking with your theory about the entire internet being overrun by Sony fanboys. The entire internet... smh
MS didn't listen to fans, they listened to sales figures. After seeing Sony overwhelm sales they switched and are trying to blame us the gamers. Even the pubs started jumping on PS4.
fans and sales figures are the same damn thing
No it wasn't until the sales figures that they started correcting the problem. They would've stuck it to the fans nonetheless. They didn't care what the fans thought
M$ has been Played by Sony. Now I have seen the other side of Sony. They played with M$ this year on the palm of their hand. Sony has controlled M$ mind.
Like the way you broke it down brah. For me its the price and power advantage and even though people say you wont even see the difference between rhe games I think we prob wont see the difference for the first year or so, we will in a couple of years as more and more devs take advantage of the power of the PS4. Remember this is not PS3 vs 360 power difference where looking at this time. This time its significant and I will not be surprised when we start seeing games running 1080p 60 fps on PS4 while same game doing 1080 or 720p 30 fps on X1. And no the cloud will not make up for that difference cuz both systems have cloud services.
Are you stupid? esram does not make it superior to the ps4. The esram gives the 1 102gb to 32mb, whereas the ps3 has 176gbs bandwidth to 8gigs, plus 1 has way more overhead than ps4. You're a moron and a stupid ass fanboy. The ps4 IS more powerful than 1, plain, pure and simple. But you wont believe that because you are so on MS nuts. And are obviously a hutring fanboy. Now stop spreading your fud every where, its not fooling anybody except yourself.
@edonus- Are you smoking crack rocks? This isn't the first blatantly wrong comment I've seen you make on here. Just because you think it's a certain way, doesn't make it so. Like lying in the other thread about DualShock 3 internal batteries dying out quickly. STOP LYING.
He's a young kid, i heard him talking about "his dad", that sounds like a kid to me.
Incorrect Ed as the above have pointed out. Given your history you let yourself down on this one.
Yep, all that, plus (allegedly) 2 more years of developments time in the bag....yet.... Strangely..... I saw nothing on ps4 that looked better that Xbox1's E3 line-up?? Bored of the graphics whores, like you. I am buying both consoles, but MS seems to be taking more risks in terms of innovation than Sony is. Oh, and it's got Killer Instinct...Uuuulllttttrrraaaaa (fracking) Cooooommmbbbbooooooo!!
That's because Sony's studios are still at work, as you alluded to. Each studio have already spoken about new IPs. Other than Forza, Microsoft didn't show anything either. It was all third party.
So let me get this right, you speak of innovation then get excited for Killer Instinct, oh the irony And what innovation? DRM? sharing games? (Sony's been doing that for years now), what the cloud? which sony alos has? what kinect? which sony has a motion sensing camera years before MS even thought of it, what innovation?
Killer Instinct has not been around in years and its not even being developed by rare so why are you and so many people jocking that game like the game is a killer app? I can even bet that most users on here never even played the game but only hear about it as being a classic because older gamers like myself have played it and liked it in the past.
@datesparda. Someone needs to learn what irony means. That isn't ironic. @s8anicslayerb. I'm 38, I know all about Killer Instinct. As for Rare not developing it...errrr... So? Even if they were, most of the individuals have moved on anyway, and by all (hands on) accounts, the game plays rather well.
Innovation in software? Really? They may of shown more exclusives as PS devs have been working on PS3 titles, you know...supporting the current system. Nothing to play at the moment?
Trust ruined it for me. If they can do this, no telling what'll happen in the future. It's great that they reverted back, but I don't want to instantly reward them for it.
Microsoft screwed themselves over. Its too late to back peddle. Like I said, Don Mattrick should be fired.
Don mattrick... Is that the guy that wears a tux with a t shirt under? If it is then yes get rid of him! The damn guy looks like he has no confidence in the console at all. Wtf happened to the guys that launched the 360? Cause it cant be these same idiots.
So you're saying you prefer the Xbox?
Yet multiplats look the same hmmmmm... Massive power? im sorry but i cant see the graphical advantage in sony exclusives, not yet atleast. dead rising and forza look on par if not better. Have you forgetten that xbox one has a highly customised cpu while ps4 is off the shelf? specs on xbox should perform better than what it says on paper. GO ASK KOJIMA OR OTHER DEVS.
Link please, cuz i have never heard of these mods the x1's cpu has. But i have heard of the mods Sony's APU has
SONY GAMES Guerilla Games Team 1 - Killzone Shadowfall Guerilla Games Team 2 - Fantasy Setting game Sucker Punch - inFamous Second Son Sony Japan Team 1- Knack Sony Japan Team 2 - Puppeteer Evolution - DriveClub Team Ico - The Last Guardian Santa Monica - New AAA IP Santa Monica Team 2 - God of War 4 Naughty Dog - Uncharted 4 Naughty Dog Team 2 - Last of Us Polyphony Digital - Gran Turismo 6 Media Molecule - Play Create, Share game (not a Move only game) San Diego - MLB SOE Team 1 - Planetside 2 port, DC Universe Online SOE Team 2 - Everquest Next Sony Japan PSN - Rain Sony Japan Vita - Freedom Wars, Destiny of Spirits Bend - Uncharted Vita 2 MediaMolecule Team 2 -Tearaway Guerilla Camebridge - Killzone Mercenary Team Siren - Gravity Rush 2 London - PS Eye game or SingStar Giant Sparrow - Artsy PSN game Novarama - inVizimals: The Alliance Double Eleven - Frozen Synapse Zindagi - Move game Clap Hanz - Hot Shots Tennis game Tarsier Studios - new IP, either PSN or Vita SuperMassive Games - Until Dawn, and PS4 project DrinkBox - PSN game Housemarque - Super Stardust Honeyslug - Hohokum (also on Vita) Final Fantasy XIV (also on PC/PS3) Abe's Oddyssey New and Tasty (also on WiiU/PC) The Witness (also on PC/iOS) Transistor Daylight Don't Starve GalakZ Contrast Mercenery Kings Octodad (also on PC) Secret Ponchos Ray's the Dead Outlast Warframe (also on PC) Blacklight Retribution (also on PC) War Thunder (also on PC) Basement Crawl Doki Doki Universe Lords of the Fallen The Pinball Arcade (also on PS3/360) Primal Carnage Project Heart and Soul Rocketbirds 2 Shadow Warrior Super Motherload Tiny Brains
Oh please! Not the damn game lists again! Tiny brains... Really! Octodad... Lmfao you go ahead and enjoy that.
You sure tiny brains aint an X1 exclusive?
edonus Sooooo Sony needs to pad their exclusive games list? Compared to who? What weight does a comment like that carry when we all know the reality of the situation? Why would you say something like that?
What is frightening for MS is that the above is no exaggeration. PS4 has 50% more graphics power than One. 1.84 teraflops compared to 1.2. Gamers want better games and more powerful hardware opens the doors for developers to bring new experiences. PS4 multiplats will look better as a result and PS4 exclusives will look a lot better but also have higher frame rates, bigger worlds, shorter loading times and more objects rendered per frame. One might be more suitable for families because of Kinect and some online features but a gamer would have to be insane to buy Xbox One instead of PS4. People who have put a lot of time into their profiles on 360 will even be tempted by PS4.
Nobody ever mentions the simplicity and support that Sony offers. Sony always brings games, when they are losing money and when they are making it. I could care less how cheap Xbox is or how many exclusives they have because their is something fundamentally wrong with their brain. They lack common sense, and lack empathy for anyone lower than them. These damn rich people all over the world always think they know how the rest us people should live and always try to shove their racist, homophobic, and religious views in our face. M$ is greedy corporation who wants to control everything so that they extract as much as they can from our pockets to flow upwards to their retirement and Rolls Royce accounts(trickle up economics). M$ thinks people are stupid, and while this is true, stupid people in large groups can sometimes get something done (after all, a group of stupid peoples IQs almost equal that of self aware and education person). M$ is all flash and pizzazz and they spend so much money duping stupid people (mostly in Amurica) into thinking that getting bent over is what they really want. M$ can throw money and Doritos at gamers all they want, but they will never own my heart! I may even buy a 3DS just because I feel bad that the Wii U is being overshadowed by those M$ pricks. Nintendo, though stubborn and really out date, could use some help. I mean why are were are letting M$ who screws over people any change they, survive after the 2 previous disasters. Xbox 1 was discontinued after just 4 years. Good job, M$, that's almost as long as 14+ years that Sony supported the PS2, just add another decade! Then they had a terrible launch (the "cool people" will say that Sony had a bad launch, but in reality it had a better lineup and only the price was the bad thing about the launch). Lets not forget the first year of 360 which had throw away games that were not much better than Xbox 1 graphics. It took a whole year for their first good game (Gears) to come out, the consoles were faulty, they charged for online. M$ has done more harm than good. They'be turned gaming into a thing, a product that is made for profit, where as before M$ as around we had innovation. Just look at the 2000+ PS2 games that came out with no competition? So many unique and varied games on the PS2 that never made the transition to the current gen. Why? Because people, I mean posers only wanted play Call of Duty.
I prefer the Ps4 too but god knows wtf you are on about for most of that comment....
tl;dr. WTF is it with a wall of text like that?
Your avatar makes me ill. Now back to the matter at hand. Sometimes I wonder if having an internal power supply causes the systems to run a tad hot. If that is the case then I wouldn't mind an external one. Plus you can even use it as a weapon if needed.
That is not up for debate or arguments since your comment is pure facts. 14 disagree -ers cannot tell from facts to fiction. By the way, when I read your name, I imagined an avatar like mines not yours!!!
@ pixelworld..... Lmao
You've hit the nail on the head. I'm glad M$ did a 180 on there DRM policies, but when it's all said and done the PS4 is still the better system.
And with all that supposed greatness the funny thing will be not many but fanboys will notice any difference in the games. And most of your comments are incomplete and onesided. Let's see after both of these toys are out and then make a judgment. As of now no one here knows but the people who made them.
*the price was lees than a ps3 when it launch *massive graphical power wont show on games till after 5-8 years latter and so is the huge power ram. *50 percent graphics hardware? what are you smoking? *2 gigs more ram you don't even know what that means. *Kinect? don't worry eyetoy is coming on a bundle too , you will see. *the massive exclusive ps4 has? halo gow and forza= outsales ALL exclusives sony has combined. *sonys gigantic studios? how many exactly? *amazing Japanese developers? xbox has the best ones, MGS any one? *gaikai online? how about cloud for xbox? *the upgrade hardrive? I give you that one but how many of you wpuld do that? *small elegant? I don't really care how it looks. *ps4 works everywhere and so is the X-ONE check anywhere. *
The cloud stuff for xbox has already been shown by several tech sites and by tech experts to be mainly Bullshit PR crap... the best bits of their cloud stuff were coupled with their DRM most of us didn't want and went away along with it. A few devs claim what they are doing is only possible on Xbox1 because of it's cloud stuff yet have not shown a SINGLE thing that couldn't be done elsewhere... the fact Titan is going to be on PC and so far it appears wont need any vastly better specs than any other game-tells us everything. Sony's giagantic studios: SCE London, SCE Japan, Santa monicca-multiple teams, Japan Studios, Sucker Punch, Media Molecule-multiple teams, Guerilla Cambridge, Guerilla Studios-2 maybe 3 (but if 3 then one just works on tech/R&D) Insomniac games although 2nd party aren't done with Ratchet and clank yet there will almost certainly be a sequel to crack in time made next for next year by the main team to take adavantage of the advertising surrounding the R&C movie. Ready at Dawn (also 2nd party I think but..) Evolutions studios and of course the developers that could probably make the ps4 a worthy purchase on their own going by their last 4.. yes 4 games this generation that only got better and have some of the highest critical acclaim of any games this generation, and with two studios.. Naughty Dog will be able to make even more great games this generation I'm sure. Also there are othersI've missed I think and sony frequently gets exclusive games sometimes that do and don't get localised from japan-as much as I love MGS they aren't what I'd call the best japanese team.. and seeing as all the footage they've shown they always mark as being PS3 footage, or ps3 spec footage if you honestly think they were at MS's E3 for any other reason other than a massive wad of cash? And actually I think you'll find if you combined The Last of Us, Gran Turismo and Uncharted's game sales they'd probably have sold more copies than Forza,Halo and GoW (the last of us hasn't peaked yet so give it another month or so to be fair.) or at least they'd be very close after all GT5 last I'd heard was past the 6 million mark on it's own... Uncharted 2 and 3 alone had to have sold about 3 million+ and the last of us was already well over 1.3million in the first 2/3 days of sale apparently. 50% better graphics... yep thats simple maths based on the PS4's GPU having about that many more shaders...several more compute units and a fair bit greater power Teraflops wise. Look at he ps3 for upgrading HDD ALOT of people have. I'll agree sony haven't shown that many massive ps4 exclusives yet... but I think they've shown last gen they have far more exclusives and generally of the same or higher quality of MS's-they did have an advertising issue this generation but their new PR department and advertising companies seem to have this sorted now. The graphical advantage will show-developers have already said so; after all the consoles both run using PC architecture the devs scale up with various settings for PC's anyway, they've already said it may well be possible to have the PS4 running at a higher frame rate and resolution on many games-and before you quote anything seen at E3 evidence has already been shown that MS's demo's were running on a considerably more powerful PC units not xbox one dev kits.
@extermin8or Who the hell is going to read a comment like that?
you are being abit harsh on what MS have shown thus far 1st party/exclusive wise however I agree, RYSE looked good for instance but it looked like every fight was just a series of QTE's... Probably because until recently it was a kinect game. Quantum break looked good and we are yet to see much from sony's 1st parties but what we have seen I'm excited for :D PS4 FTW. Besides Sony tend to announce more games through the year not at major events than Ms I find...
"The massive graphical power advantage the PS4