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Submitted by Walker 458d ago | news

EDGE: PS4 Vs Xbox One: Sony retains upper hand after Microsoft DRM U turn, say analysts

PS4’s lower price will give it the upper hand against Xbox One despite Microsoft’s decision to backtrack on its DRM policies last night, analysts have told us. (Microsoft, Next-Gen, PS4, Sony, Xbox One)

BigFnHooters  +   458d ago | Well said
The price.

And...

* The massive graphical power advantage the PS4 has over the weak Xbox One

+ The huge power advantage the PS4's very fast system RAM has over the outdated Xbox One's RAM
+ The 50 percent more powerful graphics hardware
+ The 2 gigs more RAM the PS4 has for games to utilize
+ The lack of any sort of Kinect crap running constantly

* The massive exclusive advantage the PS4 has over the Xbox One

+ Sony's gigantic first party studio line up compared to the Microsoft's tiny and casual shovelware focused first party studios
+ The amazing Japanese developer support for the PS4
+ The smaller developers flocking to the PS4

* Gaikai online service integration

* The upgradeable harddrive

* The small and elegant hardware design along with internal power supply instead of the ugly and bulky Xbox One with yet another giant external powerbrick

* The PS4 works in everywhere. The Xbox One only works in some parts of the world.
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Livecustoms  +   458d ago | Well said
Kinect ruined it for me !
Themba76  +   458d ago
i hate kinect stupid usher dance cam.
CapraDemon  +   458d ago | Well said
I will never buy an xbox whilst kinect is mandatory. ** ARE you lisening M$
Sono421  +   458d ago
Does anybody here seriously think that Microsoft (One of the greediest corporations out there) will actually sell a product at a loss? Yea maybe after it's been on the market for years, but within the first 2 years of the console? No.. unless it does so bad that selling them at a loss is their only option.
pixelsword  +   457d ago
Every time you use kinect, a kitten dies.

It was on Kinect's website, honest!

J/K
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zeee  +   457d ago
As long as they have Kinect, I will not buy another Xbox console. I just don't get along with this motion/voice control thing. I'd rather sit on my couch, and use physical buttons thank you very much.

Kinect is the most creepiest form of privacy invasion!
s8anicslayer  +   457d ago
I can guarantee you that by the time the xb1 releases there will be either an extra sku without the kinect or the kinect will not be a forced purchase included in the box. I can bet my bottom dollar Microsoft is scrambling right now and now that they had to swallow their pride anything goes with them.
Mainsqueeze  +   457d ago
@BigFnHooters
Apparently you didn't watch Microsoft's e3 presentation, because I didn't see any "shovel-ware" games. In fact Microsoft actually revealed more first party AAA exclusives than Sony and zero of them were kinect only or kinect at all for that matter.
Oh and i'm not sure what you mean by the amazing Japanese dev support...MGS5, FFXV, and kingdom hearts 3 are all coming to Xbone. Plus Microsoft has their cloud working at launch when you have to wait till next year till Sony gets all of Gaikai's features which, from the looks of it, is going to be worse than Microsoft's cloud anyways. The price of the ps4 and the fact that it has much better hardware are super advantageous for the PS4 however, and that is why i will be purchasing one, plus Naughty Dog is awesome. But alas arguing with someone who doesn't know the facts is pointless. Not really surprised that someone so misinformed as you can get a "well said" on n4g though.
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AedanClarke  +   457d ago
Wow, Mainsqueeze has more disagrees than agrees? Jesus Christ, this site is absolutely pathetic. I mean, honestly, the number of Sony fanboys here is outstanding. I don't support the Xbox One at all, but they honestly showed more exclusive games. That's a fact.

And the N4G mods apparently need to be replaced. If they can't even check their own damn facts before handing out "Well Said" bubbles (well, they hand them out to anyone that says anything disturbingly fanboyish to Sony, really), then what are they there for?

Jeez.
Kurt Russell  +   457d ago
All Kinect 1.0 did for me was annoy me online when playing with people using it as a mic,you'd hear there dogs barking, mums calling, crisps being eaten, beers being open, moronic laughter.

I think I will miss this one :)
insomnium2  +   457d ago
@mainsqueeze

Ummm... you do know how the spread with core game/casual BS went with the x360 right?

" In fact Microsoft actually revealed more first party AAA exclusives than Sony"

Sooooo this means that MS will be pushing out more exclusive games than Sony? C'mon be real.

Cloud?! FFS could people please stfu about this buzzword already? Let's see it in action before we use it to try and gain ground.
TesMgsFan  +   458d ago
So PS4 rules right ?? xD
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Divine  +   458d ago
i love @BigFnHooters's comment because its all facts no going around anything to try and be better. like xbox
KarrBOMB  +   457d ago
Hell yeah PS4 rules. The Kinect alone will keep people away. I have both systems currently, but only the PS4 this next generation.

Every single Xbone feature alone is enough to keep me away, so them changing the DRM, 24hr check-in, used game policy and now the price drop to $399 are just them scrambling to keep from losing too much ground. But the forced Kinect is still enough to make me steer clear.
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Haules  +   458d ago
@BigFnHooters,
Nobody can argue with your comment! +bubble!!
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Veneno  +   457d ago
I didn't catch a word of his comment. I was distracted by those big beautiful knockerz.
EasilyTheBest  +   458d ago
Microsoft has already made a big u turn on DRM who knows what will happen before release.
Microsoft have very deep pockets what if they go $299 on release and the 360 drops to $129 with Kinect.
I'm sure that's right there on the table if they really want to sell tons.
HammadTheBeast  +   458d ago
If they go to $299 you can easily expect them to go bankrupt at selling at that high of a loss.
Ingram  +   458d ago
they WILL go 299 if the first 6 months are catastrophic.
Wii U will go 199 this xmas for obvious reasons. Let's all wait and see.
MWong  +   458d ago
M$ can't undercut Sony no matter what they do. Unless they decide to remove the Kinect and Blu-ray drive. Which they cannot do, since even in the current gen there were spacing constraints.

If Sony is only making a $25 profit/PS4 @ $400, M$ has to be making probably $10-15 profit/XBone @ $500. If that since they are scrapping some features they were previously implementing. That's R&D money down the drain.
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EasilyTheBest  +   458d ago
Mwong...

"M$ can't undercut Sony no matter what they do."

What are you talking about, Microsoft have the money to sell at a loss a big loss if they wanted too.
Sony hasn't got that option.
XabiDaChosenOne  +   458d ago
MS execs and share holders are already suggesting that MS sell off it's Xbox division, what makes you think that they are going to allow gaming division to blow through all of that money? http://www.geekwire.com/201...

Just because Microsoft as a whole has a lot of money does not mean they are going to allow the Xbox division by itself to blow through a huge chunk of it.

Not to mention since Apple and Google are spanking them in other business ventures you better believe that they are going to be penny pinching that money like Mr. Krabs himself.
EasilyTheBest  +   458d ago
Kobe, most generations have done this exact thing. Get millions of consoles out there and make a ton of money selling games etc.
Shareholders etc could equally love an aggressive stance as much as they wouldn't.
XabiDaChosenOne  +   458d ago
First of all, generations dont sell consoles, companies do. Secondly in past generations companies took loses on consoles yes but the loses were manageable (except for the PS3s case). You are suggesting that they take at least a hundred dollar lost for each console sold just to match Sonys console and that's assuming they aren't taking a lose on the console already. People would have to buy 2 games at launch to cover the cost.
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Kleptic  +   458d ago | Well said
some of you are ridiculous...

2013 MS isn't 2005 MS...2005 was before Vista, before the Zune, and before the Xbox division's billion+ dollar public hardware beta...2005 was before Apple latched its hooks in and has been systematically removing mass quantities of market share...with a freaking expensive mp3 player. 2005 was before MS would blatantly ignore mobile connectivity and devices, and buy back into it with Windows phone...which is going no where, only barely edging the nearly bankrupt blackberry...Before they lost awareness of how people would use 'home' computers. Before Bing, before losses to botched Ford contracts, before more monopoly lawsuits, etc., etc., etc....

but yeah...When pressure is reaching an all time high from shareholders to finally axe a 'risky endeavor' that very few agreed with since inception...just cut the price nearly in half on the xbox one...that should work, right?

I'd love to see what would happen if some of you ever get to have any decision making within a publicly traded company...
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tommygunzII  +   458d ago
Well said Kleptic. Someone is paying attention.
MazzingerZ  +   458d ago
What MSFT has yet to explain is how supposed "power of the cloud" will work now? Games can be played offline now, so:
-will you get an inferior version when offline?
-will the game be playable at all?
-will developers take into consideration that game can be played offline?
-or was it just a BIG lie(one more)to justify the obvious inferior specifications compared to the PS4

The X1 at this point feels more rushed than the X360 at its time, one can't get a clear picture of what makes it so special for that price and still XBLG restrictions, SONY has said that one account of PS+ enables all accounts in the console for multiplayer and play content, both purchased and PS+ Freebies and that you don't need PS+ to access services you already pay for (Netflix, Free-To-Play games, etc) that's a clear answer and way to let us know that PS+ is there for the value it offers rather than some lock to use internet services on X1 like on X360

Now that DRM is not there it and launching head to head, it's gonna be interesting to see how big the X360 installbase is, those millions today includes lots of RROD and backup units, myself owned 4 X360...not every X360/PS3 will uppgrade of course but ratio should be similar.

MSFT will now have an excuse to kill the X360 support since the "stick to the X360" to play offline is not needed anymore, they did't "hear" gamers for free...that will be their way to try to force people to upgrade, they will blame it on some XBL BS friendlist cap or Major Nelson not having time to blog both platforms.... but I can bet there are more X360 owners switching to PS4 than the other way around.
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Perjoss  +   458d ago
the cloud is marketing bs, if it was a real boost to anything they would be showing it off like crazy, but what are they doing instead? they are just talking about its potential and how great it will be in future. Besides, many people experienced in games development have stated that they have no clue how this feature will improve anything.

I try to be as positive as I can usually, but I like to see proof when people hype something to be the next big thing, I've been fooled too many times (I am a huge fool after all) in the past by crap like this.
edonus  +   457d ago
They have explained this a billion times over. The sony supporters just refuse to listen. You close your eyes every time dev come out and tells you. By offload processing the cloud servers it leave that power for system to use on local things like graphics. thats the quick and simple explanation....You probably just ignored that too.

No one is expecting the internet to go crazy with love and support for MS it is still overrun by shills and sony fanboys.

The big thing is simplifying the message for the mass market.
MysticStrummer  +   457d ago
@Ed - What you're ignoring is how slow the cloud will be due to internet connection speeds. The kind of cloud computing MS is implying is merely PR talk, and will remain so for at least another generation, if not longer.

I see you're still sticking with your theory about the entire internet being overrun by Sony fanboys. The entire internet...

smh
THamm  +   458d ago
MS didn't listen to fans, they listened to sales figures. After seeing Sony overwhelm sales they switched and are trying to blame us the gamers. Even the pubs started jumping on PS4.
Cueil  +   458d ago
fans and sales figures are the same damn thing
THamm  +   458d ago
No it wasn't until the sales figures that they started correcting the problem. They would've stuck it to the fans nonetheless. They didn't care what the fans thought
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miyamoto  +   458d ago
Sony Mind Controlled M$!
M$ has been Played by Sony.

Now I have seen the other side of Sony. They played with M$ this year on the palm of their hand. Sony has controlled M$ mind.
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quenomamen  +   458d ago
Like the way you broke it down brah. For me its the price and power advantage and even though people say you wont even see the difference between rhe games I think we prob wont see the difference for the first year or so, we will in a couple of years as more and more devs take advantage of the power of the PS4. Remember this is not PS3 vs 360 power difference where looking at this time. This time its significant and I will not be surprised when we start seeing games running 1080p 60 fps on PS4 while same game doing 1080 or 720p 30 fps on X1. And no the cloud will not make up for that difference cuz both systems have cloud services.
edonus  +   457d ago
The power gap is the biggest farce on the internet. If anything the ONE is more powerful than the Ps4. The only thing the Ps4 has is faster RAM and a modified gpu, that is all but negated because the ONE has eSram that makes up the difference. The early comparisons didnt include the eSram some still dont.
This is even before you get to the fact that the system is built to take advantage of the cloud so everything that MS does on servers the the Ps4 has to do in console.
Are you stupid? esram does not make it superior to the ps4. The esram gives the 1 102gb to 32mb, whereas the ps3 has 176gbs bandwidth to 8gigs, plus 1 has way more overhead than ps4. You're a moron and a stupid ass fanboy. The ps4 IS more powerful than 1, plain, pure and simple. But you wont believe that because you are so on MS nuts. And are obviously a hutring fanboy. Now stop spreading your fud every where, its not fooling anybody except yourself.
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unicron7  +   457d ago
@edonus- Are you smoking crack rocks? This isn't the first blatantly wrong comment I've seen you make on here. Just because you think it's a certain way, doesn't make it so. Like lying in the other thread about DualShock 3 internal batteries dying out quickly. STOP LYING.
He's a young kid, i heard him talking about "his dad", that sounds like a kid to me.
DoesUs  +   457d ago
Incorrect Ed as the above have pointed out. Given your history you let yourself down on this one.
Thomper  +   458d ago
Yep, all that, plus (allegedly) 2 more years of developments time in the bag....yet.... Strangely..... I saw nothing on ps4 that looked better that Xbox1's E3 line-up??

Bored of the graphics whores, like you. I am buying both consoles, but MS seems to be taking more risks in terms of innovation than Sony is.

Oh, and it's got Killer Instinct...Uuuulllttttrrraaaaa (fracking) Cooooommmbbbbooooooo!!
KwietStorm  +   458d ago
That's because Sony's studios are still at work, as you alluded to. Each studio have already spoken about new IPs. Other than Forza, Microsoft didn't show anything either. It was all third party.
dantesparda  +   458d ago
So let me get this right, you speak of innovation then get excited for Killer Instinct, oh the irony

And what innovation? DRM? sharing games? (Sony's been doing that for years now), what the cloud? which sony alos has? what kinect? which sony has a motion sensing camera years before MS even thought of it, what innovation?
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s8anicslayer  +   457d ago
Killer Instinct has not been around in years and its not even being developed by rare so why are you and so many people jocking that game like the game is a killer app? I can even bet that most users on here never even played the game but only hear about it as being a classic because older gamers like myself have played it and liked it in the past.
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Thomper  +   457d ago
@datesparda. Someone needs to learn what irony means. That isn't ironic.

@s8anicslayerb. I'm 38, I know all about Killer Instinct. As for Rare not developing it...errrr... So? Even if they were, most of the individuals have moved on anyway, and by all (hands on) accounts, the game plays rather well.
DoesUs  +   457d ago
Innovation in software? Really? They may of shown more exclusives as PS devs have been working on PS3 titles, you know...supporting the current system. Nothing to play at the moment?
Marceles  +   458d ago
Trust ruined it for me. If they can do this, no telling what'll happen in the future. It's great that they reverted back, but I don't want to instantly reward them for it.
kenshiro100  +   458d ago
Microsoft screwed themselves over. Its too late to back peddle.

Like I said, Don Mattrick should be fired.
buynit  +   458d ago
Don mattrick... Is that the guy that wears a tux with a t shirt under? If it is then yes get rid of him! The damn guy looks like he has no confidence in the console at all.

Wtf happened to the guys that launched the 360? Cause it cant be these same idiots.
KwietStorm  +   458d ago
So you're saying you prefer the Xbox?
strifeblade  +   458d ago
Yet multiplats look the same hmmmmm...

Massive power? im sorry but i cant see the graphical advantage in sony exclusives, not yet atleast. dead rising and forza look on par if not better.

Have you forgetten that xbox one has a highly customised cpu while ps4 is off the shelf? specs on xbox should perform better than what it says on paper.

GO ASK KOJIMA OR OTHER DEVS.
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dantesparda  +   458d ago
Link please, cuz i have never heard of these mods the x1's cpu has. But i have heard of the mods Sony's APU has
BKsecret  +   458d ago
SONY GAMES

Guerilla Games Team 1 - Killzone Shadowfall
Guerilla Games Team 2 - Fantasy Setting game
Sucker Punch - inFamous Second Son
Sony Japan Team 1- Knack
Sony Japan Team 2 - Puppeteer
Evolution - DriveClub
Team Ico - The Last Guardian
Santa Monica - New AAA IP
Santa Monica Team 2 - God of War 4
Naughty Dog - Uncharted 4
Naughty Dog Team 2 - Last of Us
Polyphony Digital - Gran Turismo 6
Media Molecule - Play Create, Share game (not a Move only game)
San Diego - MLB
SOE Team 1 - Planetside 2 port, DC Universe Online
SOE Team 2 - Everquest Next
Sony Japan PSN - Rain
Sony Japan Vita - Freedom Wars, Destiny of Spirits
Bend - Uncharted Vita 2
MediaMolecule Team 2 -Tearaway
Guerilla Camebridge - Killzone Mercenary
Team Siren - Gravity Rush 2
London - PS Eye game or SingStar
Giant Sparrow - Artsy PSN game
Novarama - inVizimals: The Alliance
Double Eleven - Frozen Synapse
Zindagi - Move game
Clap Hanz - Hot Shots Tennis game
Tarsier Studios - new IP, either PSN or Vita
SuperMassive Games - Until Dawn, and PS4 project
DrinkBox - PSN game
Housemarque - Super Stardust
Honeyslug - Hohokum (also on Vita)
Final Fantasy XIV (also on PC/PS3)
Abe's Oddyssey New and Tasty (also on WiiU/PC)
The Witness (also on PC/iOS)
Transistor
Daylight
Don't Starve
GalakZ
Contrast
Mercenery Kings
Octodad (also on PC)
Secret Ponchos
Ray's the Dead
Outlast
Warframe (also on PC)
Blacklight Retribution (also on PC)
War Thunder (also on PC)
Basement Crawl
Doki Doki Universe
Lords of the Fallen
The Pinball Arcade (also on PS3/360)
Primal Carnage
Project Heart and Soul
Rocketbirds 2
Shadow Warrior
Super Motherload
Tiny Brains
buynit  +   458d ago
Oh please! Not the damn game lists again!

Tiny brains... Really! Octodad... Lmfao you go ahead and enjoy that.
edonus  +   457d ago
I'm sorry but F%$K these sony games lists.

I remember seeing Agent and Last guardian padding their numbers damn near an entire generation. As far as Sony goes it dont exist until it hit the shelves.
Saksoy  +   457d ago
You sure tiny brains aint an X1 exclusive?
insomnium2  +   457d ago
edonus

Sooooo Sony needs to pad their exclusive games list? Compared to who? What weight does a comment like that carry when we all know the reality of the situation? Why would you say something like that?
SephirothX21  +   458d ago
What is frightening for MS is that the above is no exaggeration. PS4 has 50% more graphics power than One. 1.84 teraflops compared to 1.2. Gamers want better games and more powerful hardware opens the doors for developers to bring new experiences. PS4 multiplats will look better as a result and PS4 exclusives will look a lot better but also have higher frame rates, bigger worlds, shorter loading times and more objects rendered per frame. One might be more suitable for families because of Kinect and some online features but a gamer would have to be insane to buy Xbox One instead of PS4. People who have put a lot of time into their profiles on 360 will even be tempted by PS4.
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_FantasmA_  +   458d ago
Nobody ever mentions the simplicity and support that Sony offers. Sony always brings games, when they are losing money and when they are making it. I could care less how cheap Xbox is or how many exclusives they have because their is something fundamentally wrong with their brain. They lack common sense, and lack empathy for anyone lower than them. These damn rich people all over the world always think they know how the rest us people should live and always try to shove their racist, homophobic, and religious views in our face. M$ is greedy corporation who wants to control everything so that they extract as much as they can from our pockets to flow upwards to their retirement and Rolls Royce accounts(trickle up economics). M$ thinks people are stupid, and while this is true, stupid people in large groups can sometimes get something done (after all, a group of stupid peoples IQs almost equal that of self aware and education person). M$ is all flash and pizzazz and they spend so much money duping stupid people (mostly in Amurica) into thinking that getting bent over is what they really want. M$ can throw money and Doritos at gamers all they want, but they will never own my heart! I may even buy a 3DS just because I feel bad that the Wii U is being overshadowed by those M$ pricks. Nintendo, though stubborn and really out date, could use some help. I mean why are were are letting M$ who screws over people any change they, survive after the 2 previous disasters. Xbox 1 was discontinued after just 4 years. Good job, M$, that's almost as long as 14+ years that Sony supported the PS2, just add another decade! Then they had a terrible launch (the "cool people" will say that Sony had a bad launch, but in reality it had a better lineup and only the price was the bad thing about the launch). Lets not forget the first year of 360 which had throw away games that were not much better than Xbox 1 graphics. It took a whole year for their first good game (Gears) to come out, the consoles were faulty, they charged for online. M$ has done more harm than good. They'be turned gaming into a thing, a product that is made for profit, where as before M$ as around we had innovation. Just look at the 2000+ PS2 games that came out with no competition? So many unique and varied games on the PS2 that never made the transition to the current gen. Why? Because people, I mean posers only wanted play Call of Duty.
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extermin8or  +   457d ago
I prefer the Ps4 too but god knows wtf you are on about for most of that comment....
insomnium2  +   457d ago
tl;dr. WTF is it with a wall of text like that?
RavageX  +   458d ago
Your avatar makes me ill. Now back to the matter at hand.

Sometimes I wonder if having an internal power supply causes the systems to run a tad hot. If that is the case then I wouldn't mind an external one.

Plus you can even use it as a weapon if needed.
Cryptcuzz  +   458d ago
That is not up for debate or arguments since your comment is pure facts. 14 disagree -ers cannot tell from facts to fiction.

By the way, when I read your name, I imagined an avatar like mines not yours!!!
JoGam  +   457d ago
@ pixelworld..... Lmao
Major_Glitch  +   457d ago
You've hit the nail on the head. I'm glad M$ did a 180 on there DRM policies, but when it's all said and done the PS4 is still the better system.
oscarcat59  +   457d ago
And with all that supposed greatness the funny thing will be not many but fanboys will notice any difference in the games. And most of your comments are incomplete and onesided. Let's see after both of these toys are out and then make a judgment. As of now no one here knows but the people who made them.
VforVideogames  +   457d ago
*the price was lees than a ps3 when it launch
*massive graphical power wont show on games till after 5-8 years latter and so is the huge power ram.
*50 percent graphics hardware? what are you smoking?
*2 gigs more ram you don't even know what that means.
*Kinect? don't worry eyetoy is coming on a bundle too , you will see.
*the massive exclusive ps4 has? halo gow and forza= outsales ALL exclusives sony has combined.
*sonys gigantic studios? how many exactly?
*amazing Japanese developers? xbox has the best ones, MGS any one?
*gaikai online? how about cloud for xbox?
*the upgrade hardrive? I give you that one but how many of you wpuld do that?
*small elegant? I don't really care how it looks.
*ps4 works everywhere and so is the X-ONE check anywhere.
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extermin8or  +   457d ago
The cloud stuff for xbox has already been shown by several tech sites and by tech experts to be mainly Bullshit PR crap... the best bits of their cloud stuff were coupled with their DRM most of us didn't want and went away along with it. A few devs claim what they are doing is only possible on Xbox1 because of it's cloud stuff yet have not shown a SINGLE thing that couldn't be done elsewhere... the fact Titan is going to be on PC and so far it appears wont need any vastly better specs than any other game-tells us everything. Sony's giagantic studios: SCE London, SCE Japan, Santa monicca-multiple teams, Japan Studios, Sucker Punch, Media Molecule-multiple teams, Guerilla Cambridge, Guerilla Studios-2 maybe 3 (but if 3 then one just works on tech/R&D) Insomniac games although 2nd party aren't done with Ratchet and clank yet there will almost certainly be a sequel to crack in time made next for next year by the main team to take adavantage of the advertising surrounding the R&C movie. Ready at Dawn (also 2nd party I think but..) Evolutions studios and of course the developers that could probably make the ps4 a worthy purchase on their own going by their last 4.. yes 4 games this generation that only got better and have some of the highest critical acclaim of any games this generation, and with two studios.. Naughty Dog will be able to make even more great games this generation I'm sure. Also there are othersI've missed I think and sony frequently gets exclusive games sometimes that do and don't get localised from japan-as much as I love MGS they aren't what I'd call the best japanese team.. and seeing as all the footage they've shown they always mark as being PS3 footage, or ps3 spec footage if you honestly think they were at MS's E3 for any other reason other than a massive wad of cash? And actually I think you'll find if you combined The Last of Us, Gran Turismo and Uncharted's game sales they'd probably have sold more copies than Forza,Halo and GoW (the last of us hasn't peaked yet so give it another month or so to be fair.) or at least they'd be very close after all GT5 last I'd heard was past the 6 million mark on it's own... Uncharted 2 and 3 alone had to have sold about 3 million+ and the last of us was already well over 1.3million in the first 2/3 days of sale apparently. 50% better graphics... yep thats simple maths based on the PS4's GPU having about that many more shaders...several more compute units and a fair bit greater power Teraflops wise. Look at he ps3 for upgrading HDD ALOT of people have. I'll agree sony haven't shown that many massive ps4 exclusives yet... but I think they've shown last gen they have far more exclusives and generally of the same or higher quality of MS's-they did have an advertising issue this generation but their new PR department and advertising companies seem to have this sorted now. The graphical advantage will show-developers have already said so; after all the consoles both run using PC architecture the devs scale up with various settings for PC's anyway, they've already said it may well be possible to have the PS4 running at a higher frame rate and resolution on many games-and before you quote anything seen at E3 evidence has already been shown that MS's demo's were running on a considerably more powerful PC units not xbox one dev kits.
insomnium2  +   457d ago
@extermin8or

Who the hell is going to read a comment like that?
extermin8or  +   457d ago
you are being abit harsh on what MS have shown thus far 1st party/exclusive wise however I agree, RYSE looked good for instance but it looked like every fight was just a series of QTE's... Probably because until recently it was a kinect game. Quantum break looked good and we are yet to see much from sony's 1st parties but what we have seen I'm excited for :D PS4 FTW. Besides Sony tend to announce more games through the year not at major events than Ms I find...
plaZeHD  +   457d ago
"The massive graphical power advantage the PS4 has over the weak Xbox One"
Oh shut up.
Most of your point are just preferable and opinionable.
TrevorPhillips  +   458d ago
Let me just say that IF they can bring a patch that will get rid of the whole DRM and so forth, I'm sure they can bring another patch that will either bring the features back at once or slowly and slowly towards the coming months without the customers knowing. I mean, MS want to do this just to bring the consumers back to their side then BAM! bring everything back!

But then another thought came to mind that, if they were to do such thing then they could be sued for billions over false advertisement. RROD all over LOL

4>1
unchartedxplorer  +   458d ago
good point. by then ms would have got their money from console sales.
Thomper  +   458d ago
LOL... You've not been in the console arena for many years have you? Console sales are lucky not to make a loss. Software and dlc (etc) is where they make their money.

Microsoft didn't make bad hardware/policy decisions, they f**ked up their PR - simple.

Sony has made themselves out to be the second coming, the self proclaimed gaming gods who loves and looks after gamers.

Tell that to those whose ps3's are now bricked, those who had their personal details hacked and those of us who bought Vita's and are still waiting for games to fill our overpriced proprietary memory cards, which were designed to cream as much money from gamers as humanly possible,

Yeah, Sony and their f**king halo... You couldn't make this sh*t up!!!
dantesparda  +   457d ago
Wow! just wow MS didnt make any bad hardware or policy decisions, it was all just bad PR. You are both crazy and deluded, so picking inferior hardware was a good hardware decision? making up the worst DRM policies the industry has ever seen was just a bad PR decision? And this bullsh!t about Sony making themselves out to be the "self proclaimed gaming gods", really? how, by just not having the same horrible DRM policies as MS? and coming out and stating so?

And then you talk sh!t about Sony bricking consoles, when they aint actually bricked, cuz they can be fixed easily with another update. And everybody knows these risks exist when upgrading firmwares, but yet say nothing about the RROD debacle that truly did brick everybodies system

Kid, guy, whacko, or whatever you are, you are delirious. But you just go to show how messed up MS fanboys really are. You's are all deluded. I feel sorry for you's, its embarassing!
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Mikelarry  +   458d ago
they already thought about that and countered. in the TOS you cannot get a class action suit against the xbox
TechnicianTed  +   458d ago
Doesn't Sony have a similar TOS?
hellzsupernova  +   458d ago
They can't be sued because it says in their terms and conditions they have the right to change anything at any time so when you agree you forfeit your rights to sue them. Same with Sony
RavageX  +   458d ago
If MS did add a patch down the road that brought everything back DRM-related, I think you would see on the CNN where thousands upon thousands of gamers would be outside Microsoft's headquarters with pitchforks and torches..for real.

They would all band together again, even help fund those who can't afford the trip so everyone can have a piece of the action. Power tools, construction equipment, bulldozers, etc...people would bring it all.

The place would be literally destroyed and Mr. Mattrick would be hunted down along with several others, blindfolded and gagged. As for what the angry gamers would do...that I don't know.

At least that's how I see it.
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Supermax  +   458d ago
If Microsoft can take it away with a patch they can bring it back and so can Sony.i said it months ago both companies will wait till they sell a set number of units some time after the holidays and then only then when millions of there units are sold they turn on the drm.im still getting ps4 first but if Microsoft starts showing some free to play games like Sony is doing maybe throw n a Xbox live gold year subscription I might pick one up first
The Meerkat  +   458d ago
If they are going to do it in the future then there would have to be a provision for it in their small print terms and conditions.

Reminds me of the SouthPark iPad episode.
CraigandDayDay  +   458d ago
lol Yeah, the Human CentiPad. hahaha So messed up. The actual Human Centipede movie was really messed up.

I don't think Sony is going to add it in their console ever. And MS would be dumb to bring back the DRM after they took it back out.
BlazeXXL  +   458d ago
Lol, no way in hell that will ever happen. Both companies have now seen the public backlash surrounding these topics. If they 'turn on the drm', so much shit will hit the fan, it's not even funny.
tarbis  +   458d ago
What is your basis for Sony's activating DRM? With M$, Yes. Since, they pretty much preached it like a new religion and still have not apologized for their debacle after announcing the removal.
hellzsupernova  +   458d ago
I believe that the Xbox one comes with a year of gold now.

Bt I'm with you companies always seem to have a way to screw us. I'm buying the ps4 and now the Xbox one is a lot more tempting for me but I know I won't use it much it'll become like my 360
MasterCornholio  +   458d ago
The PS4 seems like a better value in my opinion especially with its superior hardware and much lower price tag.

@wheatthins

"If Microsoft can take it away with a patch they can bring it back and so can Sony"

LOL it wont happen with the PS4.

BTW Sony never planned for it in the first place so its impossible for them to "bring it back" like you said.
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thrust  +   458d ago
Xbox all the way for me, the online gaming is better!

End case closed.
GenericNameHere  +   458d ago
See, I never got this whole Xbox Live "online gaming is better!)" dealio. How exactly is it better than PSN? Give me good examples, and I might just believe you.
mossman  +   458d ago
Actually I'm interested in that as well. I hear the "Xbox Live" advantage a lot, but it's never explained in tangible terms that make any sense to me. If someone could provide two simple, everyday gaming examples of this, that would be helpful.
Cueil  +   458d ago
every Xbox One MP game will have dedicated servers... that's enogh by itself... This only happens because MS provides the servers
YourGreatUncle  +   458d ago
@Cueil
Most PS3 exclusives use dedicated servers. Resistance 1-3, Uncharted 2 and 3, The Last of Us, Warhawk, Starhawk, MAG, Socom Confrontation and 4 all use dedicated, Even Homefront a multiplat runs on dedicated servers. You can bet that this trend will continue onto PS4.
PS4 all the way for me, the online gaming is better!

End case closed.

@cueil

You mean a "virtual" dedicated server? I laugh at you gullible boy!
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MazzingerZ  +   458d ago
Enjoy your purchase!:)
MasterCornholio  +   458d ago
I really dont know about that because the main reason why people claimed that XBOX Live was a superior service is because people pay for it. Now that plus is required for online multiplayer Sony will use the extra revenue to improve the service so in the end the quality will be about the same as XBOX Live gold. Also the addition of "free games" will add a ton of value to plus and make it the superior service.

IMO
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MysticStrummer  +   458d ago
"Xbox all the way for me, the online gaming is better!"

If by "gaming" you mean server stability and actually playing, you're wrong.

If by "gaming" you mean social features, you were right this generation but won't be next generation.

Front case re-opened then re-closed then put in the shredder then burned then thrown away then buried.
Bolts  +   458d ago
Microsoft need to demonstrate in a tangible way, why I should pay $100 more for the Kinect. How is that going to make my BF4 experience better?
thrust  +   458d ago
Other people play kinect my wife loves it.

Yes there are other people out there!

Shocking a?

The Xbox one comes with kinect and that is it, do not buy it if you not want it, I know that £ is not going to stop me buying the console that is more fitted for my needs, I play only online games with friends so I go for the console that has the best online network.
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Pro_TactX  +   458d ago
@Thrust
Bolts did not imply that there were not people in the world who would not enjoy Kinect. He (or she) stated that Microsoft will have to demonstrate why Kinect has value to *him* (or her). In that regard, your wife is irrelevant.
hellzsupernova  +   458d ago
Dance central parties girls love it! It's an awesome ice breaker kind of thing, like sing star was on the ps2. There is a market but Microsoft capitalised on that market with the original kinect, they need to show why you as a casual need to upgrade to a Xbox one. It's much more expensive then the 360 and all they have showen is hardcore games that's not going to attract too many casuals.
cell989  +   457d ago
hope you understand your wife can be a potential victim of spying, thanks to the kinect
SniperControl  +   458d ago
You can use your spine as a third thumbstick........./s
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FITgamer  +   457d ago
So no one at M$ would be able to demo this feature.
Booyah  +   457d ago
loll
Dlacy13g  +   458d ago
For me BF4 map dlc first was a nice nod, but also Titan Fall, Dead Rising 3 and Forza 5 all have me sold. I haven't seen anything from Sony that made me think " I have to play that". Killzone might look great but I didn't care for it enough to buy a console again.
AceofStaves  +   457d ago
I'm the same way, but my preferences are reversed. I haven't seen any exclusive games from MS that make the XB1 worth a purchase from me. Sony showed games that I really want to play. I enjoy platformers, like Knack, indie titles, and the 'Rain' game they mentioned looks intriguing. And both XB1 and PS4 will get various multi-plats.

Since I have a Vita, I think I'll subscribe to PS+, too.

In the end, people should base their purchases on their own preferences, not marketing or hype. There's no point in buying a console you won't enjoy.

Edit: Have an agree. You shouldn't get disagrees just because you stated a particular preference.
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Dlacy13g  +   457d ago
And I fully agree with your take...its personal preference bottom line
extermin8or  +   457d ago
Titan looked like COD with mechs :/ turned me off from it about as much as one could...
VforVideogames  +   457d ago
Microsoft don't need to demonstrate anything ps3 was 399 and move was 99 so go figure. have you try Kinect? its 10 times better than move try it you might like it .
LightofDarkness  +   458d ago
Well, I believe this might actually cause the console to have even less perceived value when compared to the PS4. Now the only things separating the machines are price, power and exclusive titles. The Xbox One's supposedly "futuristic" approach to the digital market seemed to actually work on some people, it lent it vague promise of a prosperous all-digital future, ushering in the new age of gaming digital content (you know, PR drivel).

Now that value is gone. Now they do roughly the same things, except one is cheaper, more powerful and has a better track record of supporting core gamers. When you strip away all the nonsense, all that's left is a weaker, more expensive box that offers no real advantage over the competition unless you REALLY like MS exclusives and XBL. This move is a double-edged sword, truth be told.
extermin8or  +   457d ago
The main thing they are doing digitally though is releasing all titles day one on xbl aswell... something sony has actually been doing for vita since release and most other titles on ps3 for well over a year...
Foxgod  +   458d ago
It doesnt matter which one has the edge, as long as the three keep competing, the real enemy is social gaming.
hellzsupernova  +   458d ago
N gamers have to start somewhere it'll slowly convert the masses! :)
Cuthbo  +   458d ago
Sony was going to add DRM but seen all the negative feedback and took it out of their console. I see both consoles pretty even to be honest, exclusives on either console don't do much for me. The hardware no matter how much you debate it is practically the same thing, PS4 might get a tiny edge but most likely XB1's software is far superior also. Face it, all multi-platforms will look pretty much the same on either console, perhaps not on PC though.

I'm going PS4 and PC generally since I'm only getting one console this gen because of online costs. PC eventually gets most xbox exclusives anyway, not that I ever bothered to play halo on PC. I decided to stick with PS4 after my falling out with xbox 360 and RROD several times and bad updates including advertisement and bad menu setups.

I'm looking forward to 2014', this is one of the best time's to be a gamer. All the new games, and finally we get to have updated graphics.. Even though PC's had them for years.
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Drekken  +   458d ago
Can you please tell me my future with that crystal ball you have?
Cuthbo  +   457d ago
You don't need to tell the future if you've researched and know the past, which is what I stated. Of course 2014 will be a good year for gamers, how will it not? New IP's better game engines and more indie games.
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thecowsaysmoo  +   458d ago
The lack of games on the 360 made me lose confidence in the xbox one.
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Sarobi  +   458d ago
The prices will be the difference maker. Some will say that an extra hundred dollars is no big deal.. but to a good majority of the casual crowd, it means a lot.
greedybear88  +   458d ago
I'm an avid gamer and it means a big deal to me too. Although I must say despite owning a 360 I have always preferred Sony to M$. I'm getting PS4.
Supermax  +   458d ago
The power advantage is closer between these 2 consoles then it was between the ps3 and 360,and both first party games looked pretty good.multiplatform games will look the same bf4 will still be 60 fps on both.it really like always just comes down to the first party ips.microsoft should bring that price down seeing it cost 269 in components to make the ps4 if I remember is 369.
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PositiveEmotions  +   458d ago
I told you guys that it wasnt gonna change anything.
No_Limit  +   458d ago
No doubt Sony will sell more systems this Holiday due to availability and a slightly better price but it is all about the games for me.

I ultimately have to decide do I want Killzone, Knack, Drive Club, inFamous or do I want Forza 5, Dead Rising 3, Killer Instinct, Ryse, Titanfall. I chose the latter to fit my gaming taste better.
PraxxtorCruel  +   458d ago
What a joke! Getting disagrees for that?
Why o why  +   458d ago
He missed a few games on both sides....I'm going to disagree because he missed out the f2p game called warframe. Looking really interesting. His preference is fine........ with me anyway;)
Pro_TactX  +   458d ago
Giving a disagree vote does not imply that the comment author is wrong. It literally means that the comment reader disagrees with the comment. Clearly those people would prefer the former titles listed rather than the latter.
No_Limit  +   458d ago
Correct, we are all gamers that have different taste, so it is all cool.
hellzsupernova  +   458d ago
Agreed! Don't worry about the disagrees I assume you only put down the games that interest you. For me I'm buying a ps4 for planetside 2, warframe, destiny and the order 1886 ( I know the last one we've only seen a trailer but I'm more excited about that trailer then any oks Sonys first parties so far) the fact that the ps4 is cheaper is a bonus for me. I also know you can play all the games I listed on other systems.

Just personal opinion
Dead Rising sucks, its stupid and rushes you and has bad graphics and is choppy as hell. Forza sucks in my opinion, its bland and boring. Ryse looks good, but bad/choppy framerate. And i dont like online only games (Titanfall) and graphically it just looks like a slightly higher res current gen game. And i dont like fighting games no more (KI), so "16bit" days to me. And im sorry to disappoint the ps4 fanboys, but Warframe is bland as hell too. Most F2P games, seriously suck. You can try it yourself with a PC, and itll run good on even low spec machines. Hawken too
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GraveLord  +   458d ago
PS4 had it right all along.

Xbox One is copying PS4.
Smootherkuzz  +   458d ago
Both consoles are about the same when it comes to power. From what I seen at E3 there's not much differents if any.Maybe later there might some titles that will push this consoles to the full,but now that's a wait and see what happens.Kinect do has some things I like and the family loves it.MS will come out with a bundle without Kinect you can bet on it and why not(more money)that of will bring the price down 100 bucks without Kinect.Would it be cheaper to buy Kinect alone or to have in a bundle?
dale1  +   458d ago
forget price just straight talking and been honest might help.I don,t know if i can trust MS on there drm plans now.it might be at launch but when there big hitters come out this could raise its ugly head real quick
despair  +   458d ago
I agree, the PS4 still has a $100 advantage and many more game reveals before launch while I believe MS showed all their promised 14 or 15 exclusives within the first year already. Plus they look like fools for flip flopping on their console and having to do so because of the reaction of people to their drm choices (though I think publishers were the ones who pressured them to change rather than us users).
CapraDemon  +   458d ago
M$ has made the right decision in reversing the DRM policies. However, all that DRM infrastructure still remains and can it be switched back on at the push of a button?

I am not a fanboy , i am a vagrant core gamer who will buy what suits me best which this generation will be PS4 as it is more powerful, cheaper and doesn't require mandatory Kinect
Dlacy13g  +   458d ago
Dont kid yourself, both consoles have the ability to flip a switch with regards to DRM if they choose to.
WorldGamer  +   458d ago
Well then, ask yourself with of the two has actually expressed a desire to do it and then was forced to back down.

They both have the ability, only one was stupid enough to try to do it.

Just saying.
Dlacy13g  +   458d ago
well... if we are gonna go down that road there was this thing called the PSPGO that was 100% digital DRM protected. Many felt it was good kit just brought out too early in terms of technology infrastructure to support it.
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ThatOneGuyThere  +   457d ago
Selling my PSPGo is my biggest gaming regret.
Sleepless  +   458d ago
No way I change Xboxlive for Ps+, no for 100eur...neither for 300eur... at the end of the road games and good online service is the most important
ironmonkey  +   458d ago
I think sony is laughing at this whole thing. I bet their as confused as we are as to what the hell is going on with that company. Doing all this drm shit then backtracking it all just makes the xboxone a surely rushed console.
N8  +   457d ago
I already wanted a ps4. But after finishing the last of us. I have to get one
oscarcat59  +   457d ago
The thing I wonder about if 100 dollars more is too much maybe you can't afford either. With games at 60 dollars 100 dollar difference seems small to me. I will get the Xbox for the games Kinect (which I hope is as good as it seems) and multitasking. The ps4 for just the games. It does not bring anything new but some great games and better graphics. By the way compition is good for the industry and both consoles need to succeed. Having only one console provider let's them determine the future of gaming.
busytoad  +   457d ago
PS4 destroys xbone in so many ways.

Gpu winner Ps4
Memory winner ps4
Games winner ps4
Online/sharing winner ps4
Price winner ps4

Glad i pre ordered my ps4 b4 it sold out :)
ThatOneGuyThere  +   457d ago
Games winner is highly subjective and makes you look stupid. Dont do that.
fsfsxii  +   457d ago
The only thing i liked about the X1 is Killer Instinct.
MS is gonna reverse after a great install base, i can assure you that
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ThatOneGuyThere  +   457d ago
I have no plans of getting a X1. I was saying that saying that one system has better games is suggestive and shouldnt be used in a list naming superior features.
Bassmint  +   457d ago
Its very rare for a big corporate company to ever admit that they where wrong and do a complete U turn on their policies. It shows a complete lack of confidence in what they are selling. Been a member of Xbox live for 7 years and have seen all the app crap,advertising and very little discount/price drops slowly creep up on the dashboard and saw this disaster coming a mile off. I Happily pre-ordered a ps4 as soon as i saw the first Xbox conference let alone all the stuff after it. Have fun if the Xbox is your console of choice but i sure as hell ain't going back.
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