Submitted by Abriael 429d ago | news

Retro City Rampage Dev Exposes Microsoft’s Brutal Tactics with Indies: “A bottleneck, damaged PR”

Microsoft backtracked on its DRM policies, but there’s one thing Redmond’s corporation is still dreadfully silent on, and that’s its treatment of indie studios that would like to publish their games on Xbox Live Arcade. (Brian Provinciano, Microsoft, Retro City Rampage, Xbox 360, Xbox One)

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ElementX  +   429d ago
I'll always play indie games on PC except for console exclusives. You can get many games on Steam and Greenmangaming on sale. I check out cheapshark .com for the best prices
Abriael  +   429d ago
Yep, even more than steam, humble bundles are a real treat (and they give you the steam code anyway), though not everyone has a gaming PC, and Microsoft's policies actually prevent studios to publish on PC.

edit below: I actually had missed those, will look for them this evening, thanks.
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ElementX  +   429d ago
Very true, I just bought a bundle yesterday. Also check out indiegala and indieroyale they have bundles also
Software_Lover  +   429d ago
..........Steam is PC. You really dont need a gaming pc, per say, to play most indie games. Just a decent pc all the same.
The_Con-Sept  +   428d ago
Every other platform besides Xbox 360 Xbox 1 Wii WiiU PS3 and PSP have easily accessible publishing tools alloted to them. Seeing Xbox 1 being so stagnant while PS4 and PSVita evolved only means indie developers are making progress.
scruffy_bear  +   429d ago
MS policies on indie games will bite them in ass
miyamoto  +   429d ago
The gamers have spoken with their wallets. Now its the game makers turn to voice their concerns and expose M$. My body is ready for the next turn around of events.

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omi25p  +   428d ago
I never understand why developers moan about MS not catering for indies.

On the 360 right now there and thousands of REAL indie games. From the terrible to the weird to the good.

Retro City rampage is a AAA title in comparison to these games.
kenshiro100  +   428d ago
...You're kidding, right? If Sony and Nintendo can do it, then why can't Microsoft? Indie developers deserve as much respect as other developers out there.
omi25p  +   428d ago
Thats exactly what im saying.

There is a whole marketplace on the 360 for indie developers to publisher games.

There are games on there that are published by teenagers at college studying game development.

There are hundreds and hundreds of games created by real indie developers.

I never said Microsoft didnt, I said they did.
GamersHeaven  +   429d ago
Wow that is dirty glad microsoft bullying ways never won them a console generation this looks be there last.
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nukeitall  +   429d ago
I don't understand this, there is a choice here, get published with MS then accept their policies or get published with a 3rd party.

It's like me complaining I don't like paying taxes, because I pay way more than the average. Now that is the crap I don't have a choice in the matter, but indie gamers has an option!
HammadTheBeast  +   428d ago
Yeah but they charge $10 k per update, and getting a publisher is no way near as easy as you make it to be.
XabiDaChosenOne  +   428d ago
Why can't they allow publishers the ability to self publish? Why are they making indie devs jump through hoops to put games on their console? I would like to hear your apologetic excuse for this.
nukeitall  +   428d ago

Have you heard of Xbox Live Indie Games? Have you seen the quality of games there?

Which by the way is the only platform you can self publish on console without jumping through hoops!

PS4, Wii U and even Steam goes through a process of selection usually by the console manufacturer. The only real difference is MS makes you make a deal with a publisher to get proper marketing or go through MS, but with a deal.

The publishing is a curation process that is to find the gems from the vast majority of crap.

Also, have you seen the quality of games on Android and iPhone that is completely self publishing just like Xbox Live Indie Games?

So before you little fangirls start worshipping, you ought to really research and look at the facts before joining all the sheeps and chanting their biased BS!
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XabiDaChosenOne  +   428d ago
What is your definition of hoops? They obviously have to do so if they have to find a publisher and/or let microsoft publish.
"Which by the way is the only platform you can self publish on console without jumping through hoops!"
Lol what? lmao obviously not by the crys of the devs.
"The publishing is a curation process that is to find the gems from the vast majority of crap."
Excuses, they are trying to get a huge cut out of the indies profits, that pretty much all it is.
If Microsoft is so good to developers as you are trying to make it seem than nobody would be complaining.
nukeitall  +   427d ago

Clearly you again open your mouth without knowing. I said Xbox Live "INDIE" games.

Anyone with PC, an Xbox 360 and a $100 can publish their game on Xbox 360. No hoops meaning thøere is no real approval process beyond peer approval process.
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XabiDaChosenOne  +   424d ago
obviously this does not apply to the Xbone which is what I was referring to in the first place face/palm.
nukeitall  +   424d ago

The point was that goodwill didn't net MS anything, yet give them a bad reputation that continues with Xbox One.

It seems the non-existant real indie gamers (the ones sitting at home, not the established smaller companies) aren't really supported by Sony.

Still MS is the only one that still offers it. I would hardly call any of the other approaches indie friendly.
WalterWJR  +   429d ago
Get Stealth bastard with this weeks humble bundle. Brilliant game.
Abriael  +   429d ago
Got it, it's fun as hell. I agree. And don't forget Broken Sword: Director’s Cut. It wasn't born as indie, but it's still a classic.
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PerryCaravello  +   429d ago
it's too late to change the drm thing... they've already fucked up

tell everyone that the xboxone blocks used games, its funnier that way and no one will know the truth


Raccoon  +   429d ago
These greddy bastards are useless to me! Im a cosumer and i want sh*t my way or the highway! The boss is always the one paying...
PerryCaravello  +   429d ago
Wanna play dirty, microsoft? I'll play that game.

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Sarobi  +   429d ago
and this is basically why Microsoft most likely won't get much indie support.
Abriael  +   429d ago
... while sony has 505 studios working on PS4.
fsfsxii  +   429d ago
Wow, wtf were they thinking when they made these rules??
PerryCaravello  +   429d ago
Xbox One is $600 after taxes and Xbox Live Gold/1 game?

Too much, sorry gotta go with PS4.

PS4 is only $399!
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Picture_Dancer  +   429d ago
You are not correct. Remember that you have to buy hedset for Xone and battery recharger with cable. So thats probably another $

On ps4 you also have to play for PSN+ but you gaet a free game with this - Drive Club.

So to sum up.

Xone + Live + Game + Headset + batteries = ~699$

Ps4 + PSN+ +game +headeset + rechargable battery in controller = 449$

About 250$ of differance!!!
Abriael  +   429d ago
Believe me or not, the part about batteries made me facepalm.

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PerryCaravello  +   429d ago
Meanwhile, in the real world.

PS4 is $399.

Melankolis  +   429d ago
Oh yeah right, i forgot about we need to stock AA batteries for Xbone controller.....

Damn! that console and the company have so many flaws!
ThatCanadianGuy514  +   428d ago
Are you guys serious?

Like really? Batteries again? LOL
tarbis  +   428d ago
It seems that the Xbone can recharge batteries. But, with the added rumble on the triggers I'm sure it'll drain the batts much faster.
juaburg  +   429d ago
Indies should rather support Sony and Ninty!
PerryCaravello  +   429d ago
Sony is making it known that they want indies. It's the iphone/galaxyS smartphone crowd they're going for.

A lot of indie games ala smartphones. Smart movie I would think.
ThatsGaming  +   428d ago
MS policies have been stated and made clear many times before. No one is forcing indies to go with MS.
DJ  +   428d ago
Microsoft is F'ed up. I can't believe they force developers to pay them for any revenue a game earns on PlayStation Network. No wonder all the indies are going PS4 exclusive.

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