Now that Microsoft has shown some flexibility with its Xbox One, could the company be poised to match Sony's PS4 entry price point?
MS say's are you crazy? Damn we just removed the restrictions and now you want a price drop? Lol
They need to increase the power of the hardware too, since it's so underpowered compared to PS4 that multiplatform games will take a major hit on the Xbox One.
Sony just went from obvious next gen winner to "who knows, it may just be 50/50" in one single night. The only thing they got going for them now is price and we all know how easy it is to manipuate that. People dont really care about power, the PS2 and this gen proved that, power doesnt make you sell more consoles, games do.
Tell that to battlefield 4.... the witcher.. metal gear solid 5
So, bloody and bruised, you want them to let the PS4 have what's left of 2013 while MS redesigns the XBO and repurposes its production lines? Yesssss...yes. Make their failure complete...The Dark Side shall prevail...
@LaChance Yeah, no. More like ps4- 90/10, instead of 100/0
@LaChance, you living under a rock near 1999-2000? PS2 was being hailed as more powerful than the Dreamcast, people were excited and wanted one because of how powerful it was.
lol no http://i.imgur.com/wtsITqG....
@lachance the ps2 released like 18 months before the gc and xbox.
They could offer a version without Kinect for $399, it shouldn't be that hard.
The Xbox One was literally designed with the Kinect in mind. The Xbox One will not function without the Kinect on a hardware, fundamental level.
ya it should be easy, but you're forgetting one detail the xbox one needs to have the kinect connected to the xbox even if your never going to use its features. Now they can do it but then you're going to need to buy the kinect separately, which im sure will cost more so people are better off getting it bundled.
Yeah but how are we gonna start our consoles? Don't tell me... By pressing a button? I thought pressing buttons was a thing of the past! And... Wait what? GAME DISKS? All those seconds I'm losing by switching game disks because I have an ADD and I can't play a game for more than 5 minutes without boring myself to death. So I won't be able to use my best french accent to speak horrible english while my console is trying to figure out what the hell I'm trying to say? No, really. A controller is not enough for gaming. I think that's obvious.
How's that bs cloud computing angle Microsoft was working looking now? Hard to have "the power of three xbox one's" (hahahaha) in the cloud when many of your customers won't be internet connected. The other strange thing is still having to initially hook the console up to the internet for it to start functioning. WHAT? How many years and how may millions did Microsoft spend in research and development for this console only to effectively and utterly neuter whatever so called "next gen" features based on always online connectivity they were trying to make? Heads will roll over this fiasco. The only question is how many suits will lose their jobs over this mess.
Yeah, this is wishful thinking, at best. Also, any further changes at this point shows weakness. Doing a flip-flop on their policies a mere 1 month after announcing them shows how out of touch they were and how lacking in long-term vision they currently are (if they truly believed in the cloud and "the future" and in all-digital, they would've stuck with it) The price is what it is because of the Kinect-required camera. Somehow I doubt they'll toss THAT out, and even if they do, it's yet another instance of them blindly stumbling around. Honestly, even though I hated the XBox One's policies, backtracking makes them look even worse. Xbox One-Eighty.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. What you wanted them to do after this major shitstorm? Offer free blowjobs with every Xbox console? They f**ked it up and now they are fixing it.
And its pathetic that people are praising them for it. Humiliation last my friends.
Screw that, keep the price, keep kinect. Stop asking them to cut stuff. You guys are pathetic.
If they are smart they would in the form of removing the mandatory Kinect. Make it seperate Sku's one with ($469.00) One without ($399.00) Let the consumer make their own choices and don't force it on them.
That's what I'm hoping for. I'd purchase an XB1 without Kinect, now that the DRM fiasco has been dealt with.
This. They already said they wouldn't change their policies on DRM and less than a week later they do. I could see Kinect 2.0 starting to go to the backburner now that such a demand for GAMES is present.
that is another short sighted plan...if developers know that every xbone user has a kinect (since its bundled with all) then every developer can implement kinect features (ie voice command or physical gestures) without a second thought of whether they think enough of their user base has a kinect to make it worth while to implement
True, but since I can't use Kinect for gaming, having a Kinect-less option would get me to buy the system. I won't buy it with Kinect included.
you cant use? or you dont want to use?
@SixZeroFour - I've been physically disabled since birth. I cannot stand or walk unaided, and I must use a wheelchair outside of my home. And since my disabilities are permanent, that's not going to change. It's also why I never bought a Wii balance board. So, why would I buy a console with a camera included that I cannot use, especially when said console costs $100 more than the alternative? Not all gamers are able-bodied, just so you know.
@SixZeroFour How is that a short sighted plan? By mandating Kinect you have limited the consumer's choice and in effect forced him/her to spend $100.00 more on something they don't want. Besides that If Kinect is so great then why does the overwhelming majority NOT want it? If it's so great it should sell itself, it shouldn't be force on the consumer, if you want it then by all means buy it but why would you want to force it on others? because you think Devs won't make sequences for it? talk about short sighted... I look at it like not only is M$ forcing the Kinect on me but they a forcing it on the Devs as well, is M$ going to mandate to them that because there is a Kinect in every box they HAVE to make features in their games that use it? So then you just get some tacked on gimmicky garbage thrown into game because a Dev is forced to? Please tell me how is that good for the consumer?
Screw voice commands, really. Not every one can speak English well enough for an electronic device to understand what's being said. And when I'm playing games, I don't want to be forced to move my arms all over the place. I have quite a tiny living room, and there's really no space for me to stand up between my TV, my table, and my couch. Add to that my dog, a Great Dane, my boyfriend, my cat, and my glass of water, and mandatory Kinect really sounds like a recipe for success now...
@aceofstaves - ic, but i was talking about kinect features not full body gaming of kinect...i was talking about using voice commands to control ai call outs and body gestures like leaning left or right to dodge and i was talking about features as just that, things that are there that dont need to be used but "enhance" gameplay and user invovlement if used @exclibur- first off, i didnt claim it was "great" but i do see the benefits of having one...like i said, having everyone have kinect means that developers can implement features that can use it to enhance gameplay...ps has the eye, but since it isnt bundled, developers cant exactly take advantage of it completely, they have to consider how many ppl have it and if they will use it, if they dont see it viable, how much support will it have? ps eye is seen as an add on, where as kinect this time around could be seen as an extension...some ppl see it as the same thing, but i see it as one will be fully supported and the other is an after thought 499 in comparison to ps4 is a big difference, but when put into perspective by itself, it isnt a bad deal...price drops do eventually happen as well, and since they are still all going to be bundled with kinect, its still isnt an after thought
No they will not. Unless they remove Kinect.
I just don't see this happening at all. I knew they would reverse their DRM stance. Kinect is here to stay unless it causes legal problems for them.
they still need to get rid of that kinect
Already pre order ps4..im still not getting a box even if the price were to drop to $359
Microsof: "Hell no," "we are giving the fans everything they have been asking for as it is."
No. They're just taking away things we didn't want, in the first place.
haha I know bro, I was trying to be sarcastic but I failed
If they make cam a option they could shave about 150 off the price.
I don't think they will, not just due to the Kinect, but also due to the fact that they would seem completely incompetent in their business model. The DRM fiasco is a HUGE deal, now if they lower the price, effectively admitting that they were wrong on everything, it will look very bad. Just my opinion tho.
Heck no. Even the 360 is overpriced. The 360 launched at $400 and now it's $300. That must be the first console in history to only drop 25% from the original price.
MS could simply lower the price and take a bigger hit on each console sold...god knows they can afford it...however, MS are a business and so have priced the XB1 to what they feel is a competitive price considering what the consumer is getting. $499 is not a bad price considering the PS3 didn't have anything like the XB1 is offering and the PS3 was sold at $200 more then the XB1 and launched with no games.... I personally can't wait for XB1 and all it's features that are jammed packed inside of it....and it will play some of the best games of next gen as well.
"$499 is not a bad price considering the PS3 didn't have anything like the XB1 is offering and the PS3 was sold at $200 more then the XB1 and launched with no games...." Are you serious? Not only are you comparing two different generations. But your comparison is just not complete. Why not bring up the 700$ Panasonic 3DO? But anyway, the PS3 was introducing new tech at the time, such as its blu ray drive and its cell cpu. The xbox1 is not introducing anything new this gen.
I guess you are having a hard time understanding the point. The PS3 was MORE then the XB1 which is MORE powerful and has MORE features and comes with Kinect 2.0 If PPL were willing to spend $600 on a console that DIDN'T have a proven record with it's tech since it was so NEW, then why would ppl have a problem with buying a system $200 CHEAPER with a large library, TONS more features in the console at launch, Kinect 2.0 AND a blu-ray drive? Like I said, $499 is a great price considering it's ONLY $100 more then the PS4 AND it's coming with kinect 2.0. It's easier to spend $499 then it is $599 and when you consider what you are getting, $499 is not a lot...but seeing as it's MS you want to argue that it is, yet many ppl didn't have a problem with paying MORE for a PS3 at launch. It's not about introducing something new, it's all the options and features that come packed in the box.
Hard to say if they'd be willing to take that hit. Investors are already not too happy with the Xbox division because it doesn't perform as well as the rest of MS. If MS were to come out and say, "Yeah, we're going to take a hit on each console sold in order to establish install base", then those investors may put more pressure on MS to remove the Xbox division. At the end of the day, MS does have to listen to investors. I think the only reason it's tolerated is because it's not in a negative profit situation. The Xbox brand hold promise for achieving MS overall goals, but for the most part it hasn't really achieved those goals since it's initial release. MS tried to force that overall goal, possibly earlier than they wanted due to investor pressure, and it came back to bite them in the ass. I personally wouldn't have a problem paying $499 for the console. I expected as much from both companies and was prepared for it. All this other stuff though made me take a wait and see approach with MS.
"The PS3 was MORE then the XB1 which is MORE powerful and has MORE features and comes with Kinect 2.0" The xbox1 does not cost 850$ to manufacture. The PS3 was a more expensive machine at that time. period. "If PPL were willing to spend $600 on a console that DIDN'T have a proven record with it's tech since it was so NEW, then why would ppl have a problem with buying a system $200 CHEAPER with a large library, TONS more features in the console at launch, Kinect 2.0 AND a blu-ray drive?" Are you serious? Proven record? Try proven brand. The Playstation 2 is the most popular console of all time. Lots of PS3s sold off of reputation alone. And on top off that the PS3 was the more powerful console with more expensive tech inside vs. the 360. why would ppl have a problem with buying a system $200 CHEAPER with a large library? Because its not up against the PS3, its up against the PS4. Look, no one is saying the xbox1 isn't gonna. But its just not gonna outsell the PS4.
I would love to save some money, but I think the price drop is unnecessary. The fully integrated Kinect functionality is more than worth that $100 over the PS4. If you were to buy the PS4 camera for the $60 they are charging, you wouldn't get a tenth of the benefits.
Ms could do with narrowing that gap for enticement sake, they've dropped the policiies, the only real barrier now is price, and Kinect is certainly worth the extra in the long-term I am sure, but there's nothing significant their day one to justify that added cost. Certainly if you add-on the cost of PS4's eye camera, the Kinect 2.0 will no doubt be much more versatile, but clearly not everyone wants it straight away, and no-one wants to pay an addition premium for something they would rather not have at all.
To little to late furk of m$......
I thinks so. I called the DRM and a price cut after E3. They try to get away with whatever they can. Then they do what they have to do. Why cant they just do the right thing to start with?
Yeah. Realistically in the first year it will be mostly the hardcore gamers and 360 fans picking up the system. They'd be more willing to spend that much. Later when sales start to level off they will increase the price to get more sales. Kind of marketing 101. Sell more at a higher price means you have to do less work to make the same amount.
To everybody suggesting they sell a sku without Kinect: The Xbox One was built from the very beginning with Kinect as an integral component. It's not a peripheral bundled with the console, it's something that is required for it to work.
I've heard this before - http://i.qkme.me/3uwz1t.jpg
@ McScroggz Wow you're really going to go there? seriously, do you really believe that B.S? If i'm not mistaken the Xbox One-80 was built from the very beginning with the features that just got removed as well. Please tell me you're not that naive.
It's not being naive, it's being informed. The Xbox One has three operating systems - one for games, one for Kinect and one to switch between the two. I'd say that would be pretty hard to take out...especially since the 32MB eSRAM was put in there to help with that function. Before you start calling people naive, try to know what you are talking about.
@McScroggz First of all why would they take it out, there are some people that want the Kinect. Second, do you seriously think the channel changing feature wouldn't work with the controller? Really?? Wow just wow. If you think that then M$ isn't moving forward they are moving backward.
You obviously haven't thought this through. If Microsoft hasn't already started manufacturing parts, then they will pretty soon. It's not as simple as saying, "just don't make the console function without Kinect." It takes programming the entire Xbox One differently. And what about the three operating systems (one built specifically for Kinect) are they just supposed to leave that in there? I don't know what point you think you are making. I said the Xbox One couldn't function without Kinect (which is FACT) and that people should stop asking for a sku without a Kinect because it would take a lot of time and effort to make Kinect optional. Your attitude amazes me. I'm talking about facts, things that can't be argued, and you act like I'm saying the moon landing was staged. So, I'm just going to go ahead and assume if you respond it will be another reply without much thought or intelligence because up until now you've shown neither.
@McScroggz Again you make no sense, where did I say remove the Kinct portion of the box? Are you honestly going to say/think that the box couldn't operate without the add on? And if M$ truly made the box where it would not work without some tacked on gimmick then they are more foolish than you presume to be. That would be like making a car not start because the electric windows burned out and won't roll down, that is utterly stoopid. The kinect actually connected (or disconnected) should work like the passenger side airbag on a car, when the passenger is sitting in the seat the airbag is enabled, when there is no weight in the seat (meaning no passenger) the airbag is disabled. Same with the kinect, if there is one in place the Kinect portion of the box works, if there isn't one connected it doesn't, how hard is that to understand? or progam for that matter... You also might want to bookmark this conversation somewhere because at some point M$ will remove the mandatory Kinect and you will be sitting there with egg on your face.
always online was build for the x180 to work too but you seen how that turn out.lol but good job ms,i will be pick one up after the price drop.
The difference is the Xbox One was built with DRM in mind. It's not difficult for Microsoft to not force a check in every 24 hours, it's a software based thing. But the Kinect is built into the Xbox One on a hardware and software level. Intricately so. Of course, on the internet so many people are quick to try and make memes out of everything and jump to conclusions. It's easy to misunderstand the difference between the Xbox One being developed with DRM "in mind" and it being developed to functionally require the Kinect. People like Excalibur for what ever reason don't want to listen to logic however; it's like a statement of facts, even without malice, constitutes an affront to themselves and to Microsoft. Whatever, ya know.
Well Kinect is 1080p and is included. PS4 camera is only 720p and you have to buy it separately for $60. I guess it's a trade off. Personally I don't mind Kinect and I really don't think it's a spy device like some tinfoil hat wearing theorists.
yeah but they have to keep it optional 2 systems 1-the full experience system with kinect.....499$ 2-kinect free system.........399$
I doubt ms will drop the prise but who knows
is a hundred bucks difference enough to change your mind about a console and its games? i know very well that sony has the studios that make the games im interested in... i was already decided on a ps4 even before the announcement and there was no way i would change my mind unless sony made some ridiculous announcements like MS did.. what i mean is.. i wont miss on my favorite console and its games i may have to wait an extra month or two after the release of the console but i would still buy PS4 even if it was 600dollars like i did for my ps3.. im just trying to understand if economy is really that bad or is it that u guys just cant wait out of excitement a few more months and get a hundred bucks more to buy what u really want.
i hope they release a 399$ kinect free edition
the 100 bucks was the least of my concerns two down one to go next they gotta drop the kinect as mandatory
Does MS really believe many people want to spend an extra $100 for Kinect? I could care less for Kinect so it's still PS4 for me ($100 is kind of a deal breaker) And just because 20 million or so bought Kinect for 360 doesn't mean that same number will go for X1, at least anytime soon. Releasing a Kinectless SKU makes the most sense, I know they're trying to push Kinectivity, but I'm just not buying it (though others will) $400 is a great deal for a next-gen console with good PC level specs.
Still buying PS4. It gives us more value for our money and it doesn't spy on us. Oh and it will have Naughty Dogs next game :D
If they do come out and drop the price we will know that they were trolling Sony and all of us this whole time! That would be awesome.
umm, no the price wonlt be lowered, lets savor this victory before trying to move on to something else :)
I seriously doubt it. The price is probably what it is because M$ wouldn't make a profit per unit otherwise, as I seriously doubt they're making a $100+ profit per unit at the moment, but you never know. They really screwed people on the original 360 price, so you never know. Not to mention, the demand for the unit is already fairly low compared to PS4, so they're gonna need to make money on what they got.
Not likely that they will lower the price anytime soon. I'm still not buying that they had to remove functionality due to lack of DRM, that's just more BS from MS.
If they do, it'll make it even easier to compete.