With the recent announcement that Microsoft is dropping their 24 hour check-in and block of used games on Xbox One, the Daily Reaction crew of Seb and Dan discuss what this means for the industry as we move forward.
To me, they already made it clear what they think of consumers.
That they're number one?
I see what you did there....
@SuperLupe Dedicated servers are expensive if you want them for free switch to PC.
"Either way Sony making a stand is the only reason Microsoft back peddled so hard. You can thank them for no fees and no DRM whether you like it or not!!!"
I don't agree with it either SuperLupe but your comments could use a bit more maturity.
How about M$ forcing Xbox gold to use Netflix? Games that came out in 2006? Saints Row, Deux Ex and UC3 came out in 2011, what do you want for next month? The Last of Us?
@Superlupe so you want Sony to not "shove" PSPlus down your throat but it's okay if micrsoft is doing because your not paying for it? Why don't you just stay off-line in general since you have no issue doing that on the Xbox one?
If the PS4 was "Xbox 360 #2" I guess that means the Xbone is now "Xbox 360 #1.5"
well guys... see this from the point of view of any 360 fans.. if they wanted an xbox one now they can buy it without those shitty restrictions that it had.. share and sell their games, play offline.. i will still buy a ps4 just cuz i like the games better and the first party support it has i know it was awesome to think of all those kids buying sonys console instead of MS but well at least we have a choice again.. not only ps4..
hench the ONE
@Superlube Didn't realise Sleeping Dogs, Battlefield 3, Hitman Absolution, Saints Row the Third, Kingdoms of Amalur, Mass Effect 3, VF5, DoA5 and many more came out in 2006. Some people just lack common sense and basic arithmetic skills, to the point where they cannot tally up free services, recognise dates in chronolical order and make logical comparisons.
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@Lupe - "As for PS+ I dont give a damn about getting 5 free games per month that came out in 2006, that I wont play, and that I wouldnt have bought anyway if they were 50cents a pop. On top of that, most likely I have them already." Whatever mix of chemicals made this seem reasonable is probably bad for you. You won't play them, and wouldn't buy them for 50 cents, but you most likely already have them? Besides being factually wrong, greatly exaggerating the age of PS+ titles, you made yourself sound like a moron. Seek help, either for your drug and/or alcohol problem or your psychological issues. We're all pulling for you. Ok that's not true but seek help anyway.
@ hdshatter You can rent out server when you play BF3, so is your money to go Dice or $ony? You pay Dice (EA) server and $ony PS+ to play online...
What now? now remove kinect and lower the price please
Yeah I'm curious how many people will forgive and forget when many of the Xbox One negatives are still in place. Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has already destroyed a lot of goodwill over the last 2 months. What, now because Microsoft decided to be LESS evil people are going to cave and buy an Xbox One?
What negatives are still in place? pleas... do tell.
I will not forget any time soon Rrod anyone???
They put DRM (which is good for some people, including me), everyone hates it They cut DRM, everyone still hates it Microsoft can't win
I already have 3 pre-ordered so it wasn't affecting my decision. I was looking forward to the no disc thing for multiple systems and the family sharing was really intriguing to me as well.
Man, the system won't be released for another 5 months, it is in zero homes at the moment, so it is fixed now, what does that matter? Are you saying if Sony would announce that they are dropping the PS+ requirement for online play today, you will not forgive them because they already destroyed the trust of those gamers that arn't happy with the plan when it was announced? MS can of course never win on N4G, there are always something to whine about even if they clearly stated that this decision was based on feedback from the community.
@whoyouwit04 Well, all the negatives they had before the e3: -'intentionally' leaving high-end gfx capabilities to focus on TV -have low powered ram with more stuck in OS operations -Forced kinect integration -The appeal of the console: a shitty name and crappy dev-kit design after e3: -100$ more than PS4 with less power -every tiny to big game shown, not much left for other conventions -crappy to no indie support ;)
They'll just have to spend more on advertisement money educating consumers that it doesn't require the check-in, etc.
Required Kinect plugged in for the system not to be a brick. That is still the prime reason I didn't like the console. Microsoft has proven with the NSA scandal; that they definitely cannot be trusted with this information.
"What negatives are still in place? pleas... do tell." There's always negatives about the Xbox but not the Playstation. Didn't you read the fine print when joining?
Sony arrogantly told me to get a second job and buy a ps3 because it was a playstation at 599! I eventually forgot and forgave. Microsoft tried to screw me and I told them to sod off! They retracted their intent to screw me even before releasing the console so of course I'm going to forgive. I'll say it very proudly that I have every intention to forgive and move on! I have no qualms forgetting about this. No way I'm missing out on Forza 5 just because once upon a time they wanted to restrict me. Also, what are these negatives? Whatever they are, Forza 5 > remaining negatives. I can't believe after we've won people wanna hold on for the sake of spite. I wanna game and now Quantum Break, TitanFall(yes aware it is online only), Halo Next and Forza 5 are back on the table where 3 hours ago they were not. I'm freaking PUMPED!!! Did I mention Forza 5?
@whoyouwit04 - Everyone has their own wishes for a new console. Just because you can't think of any negatives about the One doesn't mean someone else can't have a list of perfectly legit negatives. Same goes for PS4. My negatives for One: $100 more, yet with lower grade hardware overall, because of Kinect Slower RAM, with less available because of the OS Never have liked the MS controller MS doesn't appear to be supporting indies as much as I'd like Though I like MS exclusives better than Nintendo's, that's not saying a lot My negatives for PS4: Paying to play online (I know both do this now but it's still new to me) I can't have my PS4 and Planetside 2 right ****ing now Anyway for what it's worth I'm happy for my MS gaming cousins. Peace and good gaming to all
I think damage has been done, but they caught this soon enough not to let Sony run away with the prize like it seemed they would. That said, if these policies were built into the system from the very beginning, it may force MS to delay the Xbox One's launch. And it might be the reason why GameStop suddenly shut off pre-orders as of today.
I have a sneaking suspicion that they were balls deep into investigating the legitimacy and cost of turning it off even last week and they likely weren't ready to say 100% one way or the other. I'm happy about it but there were some things I was interested in with some aspects of the policies. Looks like we can all stop complaining about it now and let the games begin. Business as usual people.
People are forgetting, launch for these systems is MONTHS away,plenty of time for spin and hype,people may not forget but could still be easily wowed. I myself had no issues with the xbox one, I couldn't care less if selling games was a faff or 24hr check was required,for me personally the benefits seemed to far outweigh any perceived negatives...
well apparently all it needs is a patch. and Microsoft will never delay a console. they'd rather sell you a self-destructing console than delay.
Plain and simple: PS4 slaughtered them in pre-orders (it looks to have been at least a 4-to-1 ratio; some locations were confirmed to be 8-to-1). Microsoft pulled a 180. Now they claim they cared about listening to the fans... eat on that; sheep. Sure, the pre-order slaughter had nothing to do with it. You attack Microsoft where it hurts; their wallet. "The Xbox 180"
Yeah they might have to change a few things with this decision. The first thing that came to my mind was that originally the whole game wasn't going to be on the disc. You'd have to download the rest. Now I'm guessing that can't be true. Hard to say, but it wouldn't surprise me if this does cause some delay. Still, I'm glad for those who will be buying a One. lol @ torchic - Good point about the delay.
Agree Microsoft's favorite thing is money
Like Sony doesn't love money, and why they finally put charges $60 to play multiplayer like MS?
ms is a company, sony is a company, Nintendo is a company. they're all businesses and if you don't think that money is the first thing on their minds and investors, then you're kidding yourself.
@Kanzes First thing: It's $50 for a full year subscription. (if you register now, you get additional 60 days free) And for that price you get free games, auto-updates, huge discounts and more.
Sometimes the quest for money can lead you to do different things. One is by trying to screw with your customer by forcing them to do stuff your way, promising them that your way is the best. The other is by actually trying to satisfy your consumers by giving them the most value for their money. Both these methods eventually lead to money, but which philosophy you take says a lot about you as a business.
C'mon, can't we all just play some games now?
Im up for that.
and the dumb people who were still gonna get the xbox one even with all those restrictions should be ashamed of themselves and learn a lesson from this. i dont care if its your brother or sister or even micrsoft but when someone pulls crap like this you fight back and stuff changes to what it should be. i cant believe some of you morons almost let them get away with all this drm crap and such. its freaking pathetic. you were like one of those retarded dudes in one of those movies who instead of doing whats right to save the world you turn on the main character and almost stop him from saving the world. what in the world was wrong with you people?
I was getting one regardless of restrictions because I liked the games that were shown and the ones soon to be shown. I was really looking forward to family groups and knowing that games could be developed with the assumption of a steady internet connection. That is all gone now, just so I can pass a disc to somebody else who may never give it back or sell it for a tenth of what I paid for it. Hooray freedom.
Drop mandatory Kinect 2.
All anyone should say is thank you Sony and thank you to the gamers who made this possible. Microsoft just tried to snake the industry and failed astronomically because of the 2 parties mentioned earlier.
this is how i feel too. just a week ago don mattrick was saying "well there's always the 360!" - and then now he's saying "we heard you"? come on now. you weren't hearing me a week ago. imo,t hey just realized they were going to be missing out on money, so they figured "eh, we can change it". but it's good for gamers. so it's whatever.
I'll be rolling with Sony and Microsoft next gen just like current gen
I agree. My bro is full-on getting a ps4, and I'm now, more than ever, dead-set on getting an x1. And it doesn't hurt that we exchange systems once in a while. :)
That's the best way not to miss anything when it comes to next gen exclusives
Well that was quick, good to know you don't care about what MS thinks of fans.
@foolsjoker come again?
Just saying that with MS dropping everything about the DRM/Used games, we are still yet to see what this means for the console itself. Not to mention the fact that they tried to shove this onto gamers already.
@NYC_Gamer PS4 and PC for me, xbox ones exclusives are crap so far and do not in the least bit appeal to me.
Yea thats how I feel about sony exclusives they are usually crap.
You will never see me hold that crap xbox controller, no real gamer will suffer that humiliation.
You mean the one that is generally considered the best controller of this generation. I forgot you still use a controller built for 2d games with the duel shock controller.
Me too NYC
Same here NYC, but I'll be adding Nintendo to that list.
same here bud :)
It shows weakness and instability and the inability to stand behind what they believe in. I have no respect for someone that can talk so vehemently about what they believe in and then pull an Xbox 180.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Totally agree with you.
As usual, there's no pleasing everyone. There will always be people who complain no matter what.
That is why you need to stand up for what you believe in and not back away from it. Although, I do think that MS was smart in changing the DRM stuff, but they shouldn't have done it in the first place.
I already stood up for what i wanted and I got what I wanted. It would hypocritical of me, to say the least, to talk crap about MS when they did what I wanted them to do. I'm happy that they changed their policies as should be any gamer that stood for what he/she wanted.
then there are people like you will always grab a bunch of ky jelly get on there knees and be oppressed. you can learn a lot about the character of a person and how weak they are by the decisions they make and if you were gonna even for a second buy an xbox one with the policies they had before. my god its people like that who let the nazis take over, let slavery continue in the past ect. its so pathetic. people need to do the right thing wether its for consumer rights or rights and freedoms in general at all times. no exceptions for hobbies and crap.
it takes balls to admit your wrong ill give microsoft that. im still going with sony this gen as they havent dissapointed me game wise in 3 generations of gaming with them. i dont see how that will change with ps4.
Do you people take a class to spin anything negatively if MS is involved? "Hey look, this path we've taken is leading us to total destruction and doom, but let's stick to it so that we earn the industry's respect for sticking to our guns. Oh and we'll make Wedge19, some random internet dweeb proud of us too. Yay" - Nobody ever
Based on internet chatter, it's not just me, the "random internet dweeb" who doesn't respect them anymore. Take this into consideration: Microsoft VEHEMENTLY backed their always on and no used games policies, making some very biting comments regarding not having these things. Then suddenly they switch to a stance that they have been telling us for a month that they absolutely do not believe in. THAT is why I, and many others, have no respect for Microsoft. Yes, they "listened to consumers" but honestly, the original path wasn't "total destruction and doom". They would have done just fine. Lots of companies make moves that don't seem to be that great at first and get a lot of backlash (Adobe and Apple come to mind immediately). The difference is that Adobe and Apple stuck to their guns, ended up changing their industries, and earned my (and many others) respect for standing behind what they believe in.
Exactly, they should have stuck to their guns. Now they have shown weakness and loss of integrity. The people who had flipped to PS4 dont like them and now the people who bought into their DRM are like WTF ? Can anybody beleive anything they say from niw on ? If you do, I got some swampland to sell you.
This. I have a good friend that bought into the DRM and was all for it, game sharing and software registered to your profile. He's considering making the switch to Sony because he feels that Microsoft has no stability with standing behind what they say they will do.