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It’s Time To Stop Forgiving Nintendo

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"Gamers love Nintendo. They provided us with some of the most joyous gaming experiences ever from the original Super Mario to the more obscure gems such as Red Steel 2, from the legendary Nintendo 64 to the simple, but revolutionary Wii.

However, after a disastrous Wii U release and recent E3, I cant help feel that it is time to stop forgiving Nintendo and start raising questions."

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PopRocks3591102d ago

Agreed, but only to a certain extent. I don't like when people needlessly bash Nintendo. Nintendo makes great games, but their strategy as of late has been pretty obscure.

What I also don't like is when people defend their lack of push for online connectivity. I made a post condemning Nintendo for the lack of online in Mario 3D World and I had several Nintendo fans chewing me out for it (not on N4G, mind you).

ChickeyCantor1102d ago (Edited 1102d ago )

Their strategy hasn't really changed though. Their motto is basically "We tell you what you like, and you're gonna like it" And then pretend they don't understand why people get disappointed.

"We think this is fun, don't you?"

And unfortunately i'm stuck with this 90's mentality company because im a major Zelda/Metroid/F-zero fan. It's either miss out or suck it up. I would love to smack all of them in the face.

mamotte1101d ago

Weird thing is: People doesnt get dissapointed, not in the real world. All their games are pretty damn good sellers, they always get high reviews by professionals and small reviewers, and the price by old Nintendo games just go higher and higher with time.

If you see this situation, as a company, why would them bother? Here, in N4G, people can hate, and small young, ejem, "mature" bloggers can hate, but reviews and sells cant lie. Not at the same time.

_QQ_1101d ago

"We tell you what you like and you're going to like" Because an overabundance of first and third person shooters gives us so many options.Nintendo actually offers variety in their games ,just look whats coming out this year,a 2D platformer,a HacknSlash action game,a3D platformer,An RTS game,And an Action adventure/puzzle game.

I agree that 3D land should have online but i personally see it as a minuscule detail. Nintendo didn't just make whatever they wanted, they made what sells, or have you forgotten they have a console to sell.

guitarded771101d ago

Wow, I'm not completely alone on this site. I bought a Wii U day one, and have been critical of Nintendo since the original Wii. I think all gamers want Nintendo to succeed, but their current "We tell you what you like, and you're gonna like it" attitude as stated by sidar is egotistic, just like their spokespeople.

Nintendo has to drop the price of the Wii U, they have to have a steady stream of 1st party exclusives, they have to add more social features like direct screenshot sharing to Facebook and Twitter, without having to go through Miiverse, Nintendo needs to add a trophy/achievement system, as they increase platform attachment rate, Nintendo needs to drop the price of their 1st party games 6 months after launch (seriously, why the hell does a game stay at $60 for 5 years when there are millions of copies out there?).

The Wii U can sell big numbers as an alternate platform for core gamers, but not with Nintendo's current attitude. Also, the casuals aren't going to buy until the price drops, and they see more software from Nintendo. It amazes me how some people are so brainwashed by Nintendo and fail to be critical of a company that is doing minimum for their potential consumers. They don't understand that if Nintendo changes up for the better, it means more games, and more investment.

LOL_WUT1102d ago (Edited 1102d ago )

Na i'm harsh on them because they can't seem to deliver on their promises and supposedly the console is easy to develop for. ;)

The Wii U is pretty neat and I suggest everyone to give it try but how can they? When most of their known franchises (the ones mostly everyone's waiting for) won't release till another year

@ Pops how can I prove to you that I bought one when you blocked me lol ;)

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miyamoto1101d ago (Edited 1101d ago )

Spot on and well said, Sonic.

MasterCornholio1101d ago

@Pops

What he said is true though that when Nintendo unveiled the Wii U they made a ton of promises and they havent completed the majority of them. This is very similar to what Sony did in the beginning with the PS3. But Nintendo can turn themselves around by making good on those promises. All they have to do is deliver the games and earn more 3rd party support for the system and they are set to go.

Anyways pops you have been extremely rude to LOLWUT and i think he deserves an apology from you. Next time be more respectful of other peoples opinions.

exfatal1101d ago

You are a tool, You are always flip flopping, just trying to get ps4 and xbone fans to start flooding the comments with senseless comments like yours. You are just the typical troll trying to get fans riled up with empty comments about what Nintendo should or shouldnt do, only the fools take you seriously ;)

instead of waiting for these alleged games to come out for people to try it. wouldn't it be easier for people to try the games that came out now. And see if its fun and different. I've went to best buy and tried 3d land (wanted to try dk as well but wait was terribly long and I was short on time) Even though i was sad they didn't release a galaxy type game. i'd be lying through my teeth if i said the game wasn't great fun and still a refreshing take from the sea of first and third person shooters.

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Triforce0791101d ago

Iwata said they underestimated HD development but are on to it now and its only the 5 games wonderful101,Super mario 3D world,Pikimin3,Donkey kong,Windwaker,the 2014 games were always shooting for that times frame,and Iwata says after E3 lots of exclusive 3rd party games being developed now so lets wait for the holidays and see.

Shnazzyone1101d ago

It does suck, I just wish i could let nintendo know I'd pay for comprehensive cross game online. Luckily the quality of the games they release makes me feel a bit better. They contribute considerably to gaming. I give em a pass for their considerable innovation record and the fact they will do it again.

I will refuse to hate Nintendo. They just do their own thing and that's just nintendo for every bad decision they'll make 3 awesome ones.

lizard812881101d ago

I do like Nintendo games for their gameplay, since I like platformers the most, But there are many things they can do better. It is like they are living in the year 2005. Nintendo can do so much better, but they don't.

It doesn't help iwata is the head of NoA. Japan and America have different play styles. If I had a huge ass video game company with consoles and big wigs and things, BEFORE I would release a new consoles, I would check in with the head at my NA,EU and JPN Branches to see how to best accommodate all styles/localization issues the best I can. for example (from what I have heard) JPN gamers do more local play while the the US does online. There are other differences too.

Point being, with Iwata leading the charge, he will most likely cater to his region, rather than all....if that makes any sense.

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ZodTheRipper1102d ago

They just a need a new IP ...we have seen enough of Mario.

ChickeyCantor1102d ago

It's not a new IP that's the issue. They have made new IPs but get overshadowed by their key franchise.

What they need to do is make use of their system and add NEW features to their franchise. Why don't they have a Mario game with a level editor? Or online Multiplayer for Mario 3D World?

exfatal1101d ago

I know people are complaining about the online multiplier, but i feel like it was meant to stay local. (this is just me taking a guess here) but i feel like 3d world level design take for example the level when riding on the yoshi. certain players need to steer in one direction while the others another. Im going to assume the levels that focus on multiplayer has alot of vocal communication going on, working together and what not. yea i know you can turn on the mic but some people, me for one don't like playing with the mic (normally cause i got music blaring in background while i play or just don't feel like it) so i keep it off, and while online there might always be that guy who runs through finds all the secrets you didn't know were there, or someone just being a lazy dick. either way i think mario game like this fits more for the local player aspect so not that agree with their decision i do believe for quality and over all sake of easy fun. local multiplayer is best (can u imaging lag when trying to platform during some levels? rage inducing...)

And give nintendo some credit.. this is first 4 player mario game where u can use peach.. and are in a 3d enviroment even if its takes the style of 3d world from the 3ds. nothing wrong with that, 3ds mario world was an amazing game why not use some of the things that made it? great.

ChickeyCantor1101d ago (Edited 1101d ago )

@Exfatal

" but i feel like it was meant to stay local"

Nonsense, how is online multiplayer affecting local multiplayer?

"yea i know you can turn on the mic but some people, me for one don't like playing with the mic"

So we should completely obliterate online multiplayer? Why should I conform to your needs?

Why can't Nintendo give the best of both worlds? They don't even have to change their game mechanics. They simply just needed to add an online component, but instead didn't.

I love local multiplayer, but you're clearly masking the problem Nintendo doesn't seem to get. Hell I've been with them since the original NES ( Sure I was only born in 1987 but my point still stands ). And with every new console release I'm left with a bitter feeling towards them. Because they utterly undermine the full potential of their games.

exfatal1101d ago

" i think mario game like this fits more for the local player aspect so not that agree with their decision i do believe for quality and over all sake of easy fun."

I said i didn't agree with the decision but here your saying i'm trying to make u conform to my needs? tone it down man.. im just trying to see both sides here.

I Might be speaking for the people unable to voice their opinion, the casual crowd/ the one time players whoever. Why burn extra cost with servers when a majority of their fans MIGHT not care for online and such. And to make it clear again I do not agree with it but i can see why they might not have added it.

"yea i know you can turn on the mic but some people, me for one don't like playing with the mic"

"So we should completely obliterate online multiplayer? Why should I conform to your needs?"

I'll say it again tone it down a notch.. makes it hard for people to take you seriously and have an actually discussion hell maybe even a debate..

Gr811101d ago

Sidar. No online multiplayer was bad back in 2009 for NSMB Wii and DKC, but not having online multiplayer in 2013 is not only baffling but embarrassing.

I was pist they didn't have that for NSMBU, I've no desire to play 3D world, but not having online mp for that game is an archaic decision. I'm safe in assuming DKC for Wii U will be with out an online mode. What the hell is this? And some of you guys are DEFENDING such practices?

F* that. I'm no drone, I'm a consumer with expectations. And in 2013 my expectation is to be able to play online mp of some kind with video games.

Nintendo is really lost. And really backwards. I assumed a console successor is supposed to fix the limitations or issues plaguing their predecessor. Wii U feels like a giant step backwards.

No online mp...in 2013 LOL! What a joke.

ChickeyCantor1101d ago (Edited 1101d ago )

"I'll say it again tone it down a notch.. makes it hard for people to take you seriously and have an actually discussion hell maybe even a debate.."

You are acting out just like Nintendo is. You are eliminating the needs of others. Instead of saying "yeah an online OPTION should be implemented" you say "Well I prefer local multiplayer, so I'm glad there is no online option". Even Though an online option would NOT affect your offline play.

I didn't turn up a notch, I just find it mind boggling that you agree with an irrational decision.

" Why burn extra cost with servers when a majority of their fans MIGHT not care for online and such."

To provide a service, what is it to you if they put money in running a server? In fact they already have servers running. And they aren't making use of them.

There will always be people who don't care for online. This does not mean you should eliminate the other people who do care. Ironically Nintendo has been so subpar with their online features that their audience don't seem to care. Nintendo should give you a reason to care. And they simply are not. If Nintendo implemented a feature rich online component the fans would definitely care about online play.

I guess you can't miss what you never had.

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Triforce0791101d ago

Yes but their ultra quality ive seen enough fifa and COD but they are successful so that's that just don't buy.

Gr811102d ago

Is lost right now. They are basically making games to entertain themselves as opposed to the gaming masses. They are shoehorning gimmicky ideas and leveraging those gimmicks with their established series. Mainly because on their own, these gimmicks can't stand on their merits.

MK8 looks like an F-Zero wannabe; Why not make a great MK game and then make a great F-Zero game?

In any case, Nintendo is only interested in new gameplay ideas, not fresh content or creating new worlds. I think they need an infusion of new blood, and a president who is more adept in business practices. And not so close to game development as to allow other game devs to do what they want as opposed to what is in the best interest of the company and thus gamers.

Donnieboi1102d ago

I'm now worried about Nintendo again. I stopped judging negatively to see what they would show at E3. Their show was par, but not mindblowing.

NOW, with Xbone reversing it's evil policies, it puts the Wii U in a strange predicament. It seemed like Wii U would kinda have a leg up on Xbone, but now it seems like PS4 and Xbox One are prepaired for total war.

And where does that leave Wii u?

I'm NOT going to ever bash them again. But I don't feel like defending Nintendo anymore. I'm just gonna sit and watch. But I have a bad feeling that if Nintendo doesn't change some things (*ahem* Iwata) then it will continue the way it is. Whether u think that is a good thing or not is up to you guys.

Amazing what a single day could do. Suddenly the (rather positive) Xbox news puts the Wii u in a strange place. Still never want to own an Xbone, but if 3rd parties focus only on the more advanced technologies (better graphics, substantially larger RAM, and cloud computing/blending) at a time when Wii U is also NOT getting 3rd party love--then what evidence is there for me to think things will get better?

Isn't there anyone else at Nintendo who's helped run the company during the NES, SNES, and N64 years, that can do a better job than Iwata? or at the very least stand up and help him out? Even Aounuma (current head developer of the Zelda series) has expressed concern...

Why can't we have an intelligent discussion about this without assuming the other is trolling when they dislike the current trend Nintendo is going in?

CouldHaveYelledUiiW1102d ago

I neither agree nor disagree with your post.
But I did give you a "Well Said" for expressing your views.

I am not worried about Nintendo's existence, but I wonder about their popularity this Gen.
Will they keep any of there Wii gains- will they gain any "cORE" players?

They are having problems with HD-transitions and the WiiU seems to be having an identity crisis.
Stating that they wanted the WiiU to lure the "cORE" and then not having a plan in place to insure that this takes place, with or without 3rd Parties; was odd.

The execution of the plan to win back the "cORE" seems busted.
(Not all at their hands, lies about Engines and out and out industry dismissal played a hand too.)

I definitely know that DK and Mario sell more games than most FPSs or OpenWorld and that DK outsold Metroid-
-But the game that sells Nintendo systems are usually not seen as "cORE" titles.

I don't want to get rid of Iwata- but like you, I am watching to see how all of this turns-out.

What will the WiiU be know for in 2020? Failure or Success?

Nonetheless,
I am happy with E3, SSB, and "X.”
Also, the other games and ports that I haven't played and that I know are coming.
I MUST play SSB, Zelda WiiU, SMT X FE, and Xenoblade2 in 2014.
And I also get to play Watch_Dogs and BatMan:AO (probably because of ex-Retro Employees).

Donnieboi1101d ago

You make some strong points too. And yeah I know he was my favorite celebrity.

_LarZen_1101d ago

It's time to sell the Wii U.

exfatal1101d ago

really sell the wii u b4 ps4 and xbone are even released? months away from a slew of new release? i'd say its a bad time to sell the Wii u, but still not the best time to own it

_LarZen_1101d ago

At this moment before the new consoles comes out one can get quite allot from Gamestop for a Wii U and the games for it.

I checked and if I deliver it it almost pays for the PS4.

And as I do not use it anymore as there are no game out or in the works that interest me...why not.

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