Coming out of E3, Don Mattrick and Microsoft have been feeling gamers' scorn. GamesIndustry's panel steps into the exec's shoes and offers advice on what to do next
I think this has just been confirmed by MS themselves. I'll try to find the link. Congratulation to all those console owners that constantly put pressure on MS to change their policies. You should be proud of yourself. To those that didn't ... You're welcome.
What about game sharing and cloud to make games better. My only concerns.
Yes, of course this will mean they'll have to drop the whole cloud computing argument. Without an internet connection, it's impossible to mandate.
my thing is that wouldn't they have to redo the hardware model? because if a disc can install the game and not be needed anymore cant people just install once and give to a friend to install for free if theres not going to be an online check every 24 hours?
may be axed but they can still do the cloud thing. I mean think about it. There will likely be more people who connect their console than not. Even sony knows how many connected consoles there are and are banking on the possibility there will be even more this gen than last. It may not be mandatory anymore but that doesnt mean people wont connect to the internet. If you have internet, chances are your console will as well. My internet compliant consoles are always connected and ready when i want to go online. bummed about the family share thing but the overall change in their policy is a win.
This is a huge win for gamers.
Family sharing plan has been axed.
The Family Group as we know it is most likely dead. I hope the cloud initiative is not. Perhaps they can sell"internet required" games? Also, you have to appreciate the irony. A large portion of the vocal opposition were Sony fanboys. They helped this happen and now will have to deal with the One selling more than it would have. They never assumed Microsoft would pull a 180 and will now have to return to whining about Kinect and teraflops again. Careful what you wish for lol
I don't see why the cloud features should fall by the wayside, obviously some games have been designed to require a constant connection and those games will benefit from being always connected. This is evident in their previous DRM policy since you only had to log in one every 24 hours. By that I mean if offline play was possible even then, then obviously cloud computing was always meant to be an auxiliary feature for most games and not a mandatory one.
that pretty much sums up the entire library for both the ps4 and xb1. no doubt this gen will be more online focused than last. Ms will have their gold service for all things online (apps and multiplayer). sony has their PS+ for 'most' things online (multiplayer). there will be those games that have a more single player aspect but we all know there will be more push for multiplayer or some type of online component with each game this gen. Last gen, online was a secondary component to the majority of games unless the game was online multiplayer only. this time around will be more about being online than off. Especially when both the ps4 and xb1 selling points are about the social integration of the platforms and the people that others play with/against.
Games can require mandatory internet, even today. Think about it as MMOs or online-only games work. So the cloud can surely be used if devs want, but internet obviously will be needed. About the sharing, it will be done through disks. Confirmed on their press release.
It doesnt matter if they announced this.Im sorry but all the crap they pulled and all of a sudden they decide where going to backpedal like that tells me that they did this because preorders where terrible, but mark my words now they will have some stipulation down the road witht the xboxone.A company doesnt just fold there crads like that withought some reason that we dont know about.They where also saying that MS did this to boost preorders as well so another sign that MS isnt to be trusted.If you guys go back to MS after all the shit they pulled and said then your only asking to get burned in the end.Give it time you will see.
Microsoft turns around and does something good and people still find a way to complain. SMH fanboys...
Turn what around?The fact that they shit in the gamers face and there preorders where terrible so they decide to dig themselves out of hole.They did it for themselves not for the gamers.Thye would have lost billions and.The fact that people like UNGR are so blindsided by this news tells me that your putting your faith in MS hands down the road to god knows what they will do next.Theres a difference between giving credit where credit is due and giving credit to compant that is just grabbing for dear life to keep there fanbase alive.Damage has been done and this proves nothing.Gamers stand tall but MS are the ones with the string attached to you like puppets by playing this off like a mistake , we clearly know what they where up to.Like I said before you never know what there up to but in time you will see.
^ Still plenty of BS to walk through. You guys are pathetic. First supporting DRM/No used games, now all happy its gone.
UNGR, It would be easier to swallow if they didn't have all these people tell us how this is needed and benficial and its the future and its what we want. also the line 2 days ago about xbox sticking to its policies is a load of BS now. This is not a trust worthy company way to work. I mean you can word it or take it however you want but it is not a good sign to tell your consumers one thing then be like HA JK .
It's a step in the right direction. I've hated on MS because of their policies, but isn't this what we wanted to happen? I don't believe you can have it both ways. You either want them to change or you don't. Gamers flexed their voices and their wallets, and it affected change. This is the first time in my over 30 years of gaming where I've seen a company change it's policies so drastically due to user base feedback. Your choice to buy one is still up to you, but if they decide to change things in the future, we now have evidence that we can affect change. If they decide to change things in the future, it'll likely be choice based, and allow the consumer to ease into it at their own discretion...you know...the way it should have been from the beginning. Really the only thing left now is to see if there is some kind of Astrix mark to the new policies. Other than that, yeah I agree that they handled everything poorly. The complete disregard of the consumer, and arrogance on their part is bad, and they should be held accountable. @GamersRulz below The preorder numbers and the pressure from consumers are intrinsically linked.
I think pre-orders numbers that actually put a pressure on MS, they don't give a $hit about consumers! I couldn't believe people who kept defending this DRM BS. Now its a level play field, next gen just got interesting!
Is this what you're looking for? http://kotaku.com/microsoft...
Gamers 1 Dirty corporate shenanigans 0
@GribbleGrunger here is the link, http://news.xbox.com/2013/0...
Cheers. I was too late to edit my post.
Wow.. if they do a reversal it will leave me in a very difficult position. I'd want to preorder an Xbox One as an Xbox fan to acknowledge my happiness at them for their reversal but with such an arrogant stance initially, I have to admit I almost just want to keep giving them the middle finger. I guess I will base my decision on Kinect.. if they decide to ditch the mandatory kinect and offer a cheaper no kinect Xbox One, then I'll preorder. Actually wait what.. you STILL need an internet connection to initially set it up.. F-A-I-L
I think it's a step in the right direction. The needing an internet connection to start is a pain, but probably required for downloading the proper updates. Anyhow, it does put the X1 back on my radar. I'll likely hold off now at launch until sometime next year. Not sure why, since I have the money saved up for it, but maybe I'm still a little put off by the attitudes of their executives since the reveal.
link is here: http://news.xbox.com/2013/0...
Haven't you heard? MS just cowed to the will of the gamers. I guess they received an accurate account of pre-orders and had to backtrack. I still don't trust them though. What's to say they won't implement all of these requirements 1 year later.
Regardless, this is good news. Now the conversation can focus on what it should be focused on: Which console is more powerful and which console will have the most varied AAA games and features.
At this point the conversations shouldn't be about what games are the better than the other. Because both systems will offer different types of awesome exclusives games. To say which is better is just stupid. Just enjoy the fact the we can continue gaming without those restrictions. No need to keep the war going. We as gamers should be celebrating together. Believe it or not, this is a victory like nothing else.
It crazy that we had to talk about used games as features to begin with. I hated it so much because we were losing power as each gen rolls. This gen its dlc.
exactly what I was thinking . Sony could implement it too once they have got your money . It`s going to be interesting how it all pans out.
Who knows maybe both companies will in the far future but for now it is plain and obvious that GAMERS at least console gamers are not ready to go all digital and be hampered with DRM nonsense. Good job, and good job Sony. I give props more to Sony then the gamers. Them going on Fallon and sticking it to MS on national TV must have had the MS crew scrambling. The only question now is which console to buy day one? WiiU is a given....PS4 or X1?
As for which console to choose, if you have to choose only one, would depend on which games most interest you at launch. PS4 has more power though from a hardware perspective if that matters to you. Enjoy whatever machine you choose and game on!
@manageri No idea what you are talking about. The message that was clearly sent to MS is that no one was going for all the restrictions and we will choose the other option if so. MS listened to the criticism and their fan base and now the XboxWon is getting the rewards it deserves.
Hey, ain't you heard?
I guess its time to fail all the DOOM X1 DRM stories that are flooding N4G. On to the next doom and gloom sensational pieces.
True :D Funny how just at the Minute the Article gets published here the Changes go public by MS.
You know the Xbox one was doomed. Why the hell do you think they changed their policies. They still have a console that cost $100 more. Plus they lied about how the cloud makes the Xbox 1 more powerful which is why you needed to always be online. Nothing but lies from this company. Now it's all biting them in their a$$. Who's to say that once you purchase the console they don't turn the DRM back on. I don't trust them.
Who's to say that Sony won't turn on DRM for their console. They changed their policies because no one was going for it as they shouldn't have. The cloud can still be used to make games more powerful, where has this changed? Games can still require an internet connection just like some games on the PS4. The PS3 when launched was $100 dollars (more?) more, I doubt you were complaining back then. But I really do expect some folks on here to still complain and find faults just for the sake of being a complete fanboy.
drop the price of games to 34.99-39.99 if not they can die off
Im guessing that since they just completely nixed all their plans completely. Lowering the prices of games wasnt part of the plan. Otherwise they would have announced that games would no longer be 60 bucks but 29, 39, etc. But nope, they just completely re-did EVERYTHING.
There is more issues than just the DRM. $499 + I still wouldn't buy it because of Kinect forced to you. Plus who is to say they won't try to pull that stunt in the future.
Screw me once shame of you, Screw me twice shame on me. I am not falling for it. They have already disrespected us as gamers why would I listen to them now. I have no faith they will not change this later after they get the install base. I am proud gamers spoke with their wallets, but I still don't think they will hold this model for long. They have all the feature built in already all it takes is a simple push of a button and everything goes back the way it was.
I'm proud of my gamers, for fighting the good fight. But it makes me think, if those policies was so easy to switch, then this was nothing but a GREED move on your behalf Microsoft. And on that note I'm still not buying an xbone...
Those policies were probably so you could use cloud features and family sharing. Not really sure how thats greed. Also don't really care that your still not buying a xbone.
Can you tell me what the cloud features are? And if I wanted to share games with my family, I just do it the old fashioned way... Had them the game disk. The greed part is because Microsoft wants a piece of the used game market... That I can understand, but its the way there doing it. To much control and restrictions.
backpedal which they have officially done.
A great moment for gamers world wide.. We won... Still a 100 bucks more expensive than a ps4 tho & that's a big difference.. Reduce the price too maybe? lol
DRM was a cash-grab the entire time... I really hope people can see that now, particularly the few apoligists who have been defending that stuff all week... So previous Xbone defenders, was it better before, or now that they're doing the same thing as Sony? (treating customers like humans...) BTW still not buying one, always thought M$ was untrustworthy, now I (we) know...
Cash grab? How so? What were they going to gain?
Exactly. They have just proven that they are nothing but liars. In not buying that Xbox 1. As soon as enough people purchase it they'll flip the switch back on.
Microsoft just ate their words. They were like "This is TEH Futures of Console Gaming" . The time before the console reveal , there were already so many complaints and they still announced DRM, but now they want us to see them as good guys. They could of avoided all this mess if they played the good guy card earlier. The problem left that some are still not with is the required kinect. And The fact that 1. PS4 Specs are better and for a cheaper price 2. Xbox One Specs are weaker for a higher price.
1.You are being redundant 2.Redundant is what you are being
it's good MS did this. i kinda want to re-read those articles that tried to justify the use of DRM, talking about how it's the future, etc. what would they say now?
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