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Molyneux Says Nintendo Would Fare Better Out Of The Hardware Business

Outspoken game developer Peter Molyneux agrees that Nintendo would fare a lot better if they left the hardware business and just relied purely on quality software. Molyneux doesn’t agree with Shigeru Miyamoto’s opinion that Nintendo must create hardware to cater to the needs of its own development talent. Here’s what Mr Molyneux had to say. (3DS, Nintendo, Nintendo DS, Peter Molyneux, Wii, Wii U)

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xflo360  +   895d ago
I think Nintendo should stay in the handheld hardware business ( obviously as they all sell like crazy ) But drop out of the home console business, I just dont think they know what gamers want anymore. Look at e3, they were a massive letdown-no Metroid, New Mario looked average, No new zelda or F zero or anything which us core Ninty fans wanted!
US8F  +   895d ago
I swear this guy talks so much lately. First he says Xbox one Won next gen, then it's reveałed and fan reaction's been negative, he says they got it all wrong, then says they didn't market properly, now this!? Just shut up man

Nintendo will stay in the console market for a long time. They can afford to fail and still have enough money to make a replacement if they choose.
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longcat  +   895d ago
Nintendo need to keep their own ecosystem or get lost in the clutter of the other platforms.

What they need is to consistently keep a low entry point to their hardware...which is the mistake they made this gen...twice
Dir_en_grey  +   895d ago
LOL after the XBone reveal some how it made WiiU way more interesting and it is now on my radar to possibly pick it up when I see a game I like is out.

That is how bad XBone's policy is, it made a WiiU look way better then a supposed next gen just with a default "don't need to be always online no DRM" BS lol.
Hadoukameha  +   895d ago
You kidding? They can afford to fail? I see you ain't in business.

Their inferior handhelds and home consoles are only selling because of the games. DS, 3DS, Wii and Wii U are underpowered, feature-lacking piles of trash that run fantastic games. Imagine if PS4 and Vita was running those games.

Wii U 2 and 3DS 2 better stepup their game.
n4f  +   894d ago

if you think that after outselling your opponent by a large margin you should retire than you dont sh-t about business
PSNintyGamer  +   895d ago
I agree with you, as long as you also think that Sony should stay in the Console Business,but drop out the hand-held business.
LOL_WUT  +   895d ago
Most definitely Sony's presence in the handheld market is a lost cause as is with Nintendo and their home console hardware efforts. ;) PULL OUT!
ABizzel1  +   895d ago

Sony's handhelds are great, especially the Vita, the problems with the handhelds come from Sony themselves.

Lack of marketing, pricing when factoring in memory cards, lack of younger audience appealing games (Mario, Mario Kart, Pokemon, etc...)

Now if Sony made the hardware, and Nintendo focused on the software than that handheld would be the one to rule them all.
hay  +   895d ago
I think Molyneux sniffs way more coke that he can handle.
live2play  +   895d ago
"Us core ninty fans wanted"
Riiiiiiiiiight youre a core ninty fan

I got a beautiful looking DKC, a gravity defying mario kart that looks like a pixar film, a crazy looking seizure inducing Wonderful 101, a first ever 4 player 3D mario adventure, that if you played it at best buy (which this hardcore ninty fan traveled 140 miles to try) would know it looks so crisp and colorful you almost want to eat it, a handheld AND console super smash bros, ...

You know what you get the point

Keep calling yourself that
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scissor_runner  +   895d ago
Letting real gamers play the games was the best possible thing to do. The media is full of trolling clowns.
xflo360  +   890d ago
Actualy I AM a core Ninty fan, for me they are the best developer out there, I just feel they've lost they're way a little. Metroid prime, Zelda WW and Mario 64 are all in my top 5 games and Ive owned practically every Nintendo console released. Now Im not saying that there were no great games on show, because there were, but there were no massive reveals and the ones they did have were dissapointing IMHO.
showtimefolks  +   895d ago
MS leave the gaming business and enter software/apple wannabe

Nintendo for better or worst make quality titles and anyone who has been gaming for 20 plus years grew up a Nintendo fan.

was just at gamestop buying LOU and pre ordered ps4, the store is getting 65 ps4's and 8 xbox one's. There was a paper right on the counter saying ps4 is $399 and list of games and than xbox one $499 and list of games

i asked the guy if GS was favoring one or another, and his words were we are making an full effort to inform people about buying ps4

so MS you have much much bigger issues than what Nintendo should or shouldn't be doing
Angeljuice  +   895d ago
I've been gaming for 33 years and I can't stand Nintendo (software or hardware).
showtimefolks  +   895d ago

i haven't bought a nintendo console for a long long time but if you don't mind me asking why do you hate them so much?

my main concerns with N are simple they keep making the same games over and over and gaming media gives them a free pass but if MS or Sony makes one halo too many than they are milking it

i give you a example, when the zelda hd remake was announced Nintendo fans went nuts but if sony or ms or any other 3rd party publisher makes a hd collection than they are recycling

my thing is hold Nintendo to the same standards as sony and ms. wiiu is no where near as powerful as xbox one or ps4 yet its suppose to be next gen

how about not make the gemepad and actually spend those resources in improving the actual tech of the system so it can be a little bit future proof

the day ps4 and xbox one gets released wiiu becomes last gen no matter how anyone spins it

Nintendo IMO are a gen behind
baodeus  +   894d ago
why are you using game stop as reference? They have the worst reputation:

1. open game sell as new
2. pay you $5 for your game then sell them at $55, $5 less than the new game (funny, people still op for the used game tag, rather buying it new, giving GS so much profit and nothing to the developers. Worst, they can sell them over and over)
3. Constantly hustling customers to get their reward cards (they are pretty adamant about it)

I'll bet you anything if MS drop their disc based and go Steam rout (which I believe was their original plan), and games price goes down drastically, GS will die instantly. Who cares about used game at $55/pop when you can get it around $30-$40 in a few weeks? Going digital, you don't need GS.
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3-4-5  +   894d ago
this moly guy talks too much for not accomplishing a whole lot.

Instead of saying what Nintendo should be doing he should be focusing on his own games.

He says A...but then B happens.

Can't trust the guy
TH3KARMACHARGER  +   891d ago
But, Dem Pokemon X and Y. They know what I want.
US8F  +   895d ago
I believe when the blockbuster games release this holiday, it will sell more Nintendo consoles
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weekev15  +   895d ago
Cant believe the disagrees you just got for staying a very obvious fact. Of course Nintendo will shift mor units this yoliday.

What may also go in their favour is the demand for PS4 outstripping supply as I think a lot of people fancy a PS4/WIIU combo.
TH3KARMACHARGER  +   891d ago
I bought a 3DS XL as soon as I could before Pokemon X and Y where even announced in expectation of them! The people who wait are the ones who have to fight or pay excessive amounts to get what they want. To anyone reading this BUY NOW!
Gimmemorebubblez  +   895d ago
3ds begs to differ.
EcoSos3  +   895d ago
"But I do wonder about the Wii U – it seemed to be a kind of reaction to SmartGlass."

Really did he just said that, SmartGlass was a reaction to the WiiU not the other way around.
animegamingnerd  +   895d ago
i am pretty sure smart glasses was revealed the year after the Wii U was revealed molyneux is a idiot
Realplaya  +   895d ago
LOL I saw that I said didn't Microsoft try to copy Nintendo with smartglass. Og yeah if the Vita is $200.00 plus dollars and they try to make games that take advantage of the PS4 and the Vita has anyone realized that the combo is more expensive than a XBONE ? That price is what $249.00 + $399.00 It gets worse for the XBONE $499.00 the cheapest tablet from Microsoft is roughly around $499.99. Even if you get a cheap tablet it's still pricey.

I understand why Nintendo isn't dropping their price now. For those who think the PS4 games will go with them if they buy a vita are you willing to spend that much money just to play a game?

Nintendo is playing catch up to the HD twins but in one year they have made a game that looks like Mario Kart 8 it's safe to say they are just fine.

Oh yeah go spurs( I am a bulls fan)
MikeyDucati1  +   895d ago
I agree...
Animavicion  +   895d ago
the wii u have: has backward compatibility, no drm, free online, can play used games, support for indie developers, cheap, great first party line-up.

I'm sorry, but I think Nintendo should stick with the hardware market.
MikeyDucati1  +   895d ago
Ok but who's buying a Wii U? What about the business side where it took so much money to fund the Wii U project and the turn around isn't great? What about the games? What about publishers making statements about the tech and devs not developing games for it?

All those options mentioned and not once has there been a substantial turnaround since the introduction of next gen consoles (MS, Sony) that omits the options you mentioned.

If you want Nintendo to stick around in the hardware market then its console needs to stop playing kiddie family time and mature. It needs better tech under the hood that keeps up with the giants of Sony and Micro. It's apparent that even Wii U buyers are looking towards other consoles since the support for Wii U is basically non-existent.
Realplaya  +   895d ago
Thank you.
Hadoukameha  +   895d ago
Now name the weaknesses; last gen graphics, no 3rd party, forgotten 1st party franchises, and no meaningful 3DS connectivity. PS4 has all that.
scissor_runner  +   895d ago
Who buying a ps4 or Xbox one? Oh they arnt out? Well the must have games are not out so ummm what is your point when the must have games have not come out and people are expressing they will buy when the price drops. This is called good pr on the Sony side. Yet we must all realize people will have a wiiu and or ps4 or unfortunately an Xbox one or pc.

So sales wise only a fool will miss out on the wiiu exclusives that they grew up on.

Now if they grew out of Nintendo's games then you have to understand all gaming is like toys.
NihonjinChick  +   895d ago
What about the 3DS? That's selling fine.
Animavicion  +   895d ago
"Ok but who's buying a Wii U?"
A: "Amazon UK: Wii U Sales Rank Jumps 875% Following Microsoft’s Xbox One Reveal" ( )

"What about the games?"
A: There are currently 132 games confirmed (90 retail and 42 downloadable) as of the 11th of April 2013. (

"If you want Nintendo to stick around in the hardware market then its console needs to stop playing kiddie family time and mature."

no need to lie for the simple fact that you do not like. there are plenty of good games and to come to the wii u.
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MikeyDucati1  +   895d ago

Usually in the gaming industry, 3DS is referred to as portable or handheld gaming. The Wii U would be considered the hardware.

But 3DS is doing fine. But I don't think the article (I didn't read it) is discussing the 3DS. Wii U is under the consideration as well as the Wii in its round before the introduction of Wii U.


I understand. You're a fan of Wii U and you take it as if people are slandering your favorite console. Whatever the case might be, there's no need to break my post down, word for word. We don't have enough bubbles for all that crap.

I don't care what an article says (from N4G article of all things) about sales. No one will be talking about Wii U once the arrival of Sony and Micro comes out. The sad part about that? Those sales (Wii U sales rank jumps 875%)just might help get Wii U close to breaking even. You really don't know how far off they are from their projected sales, do you? Also, there are 132 games that the majority of gamers don't care about or even know about. I can have 260 grapes and all but two are rotten. So what do I care if I have 260 grapes? There's only two worth eating. The question is, how many games can you mention before looking at the list? I know it isn't many.

My comments don't reveal any ill will or negativity towards Nintendo. It's actually about you liking the Wii U and feeling a need to defend it. Which is silly. You're not assessing the situation objectively.

I personally like Wii U. I want to get a Wii U. The only games worth mentioning (IMO) now are Zombie U, Bayonetta 2 and Deus Ex Director's Cut. Still, I see not too many developers taking on Wii U. I don't see that gamepad being integrated into the game as Nintendo suggested. I don't even see Nintendo developing games that I want (with that said, we know Nintendo likes to take their time in development, so nothing against Nintendo but hurry up already).

So again, if you're able to look at this objectively instead of thinking that opinions are negative against Nintendo, you would see the truth. People want to see Nintendo flourish but they aren't reacting in a timely fashion to the setbacks that keeps coming their way.

There's nothing wrong with Nintendo just making games for multiplatforms. What is really wrong with that? You still get the games you love and enjoy from Nintendo, but you don't have to invest in a system that all but gets blacklisted from devs because devs don't want to develop games for Wii U with their games that has already been set to play on next gen consoles, PS4 and One. I don't know the process, but I bet it's a pain. They dealt with that on Wii. And the sales told them people play more so on 360 and PS3 than they did Wii. Making for all that porting to Wii a waste of time and expenses.
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scissor_runner  +   895d ago
A simple game like cod bullsh1t is made into a star with wiimote controll. You got all of your perks right there on the game pad. Need for speed lets you switch every thing on the fly while driving and no pause screen. Then there is the portable tv aspect. Almost then you can buy the system and not need a tv to even play the games. You wouldn't know this because you don't have one. You only listen to the fud on the Internet.
MikeyDucati1  +   895d ago

You mentioned two games that are being played quite frequently on other consoles. You mentioned the TV aspect for the pad that nobody uses. No original content. NO original games that use the gamepad in a intuitive way.

I know this because I have done my research kid. You mentioned three things that don't make anybody say "oh wow, they have that! Mikey was wrong, I'm so getting it!!" Yes, those are quite creative ways to use that 2nd screen but what about original IPs? Where are the devs? Where is Nintendo?

Like I told the other guy, stop mistaking my comments about Nintendo to be nothing more than a full on rant. I am objectively speaking whereas you guys are ignorantly responding instead of engaging into a mature conversation about this thing. I kow it was too much to read but I actually want to get a Wii U but nothing is substantial enough for me to make that investment. Especially when PS4 got my attention. So grow up
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Movieworld  +   894d ago
The TV aspect of the gamepad that nobody uses? Don't be silly kid. I have my wii u hooked up to a large HD tv in the living room. Most nites when I retire to the bedroom I carry on playing Super Mario, Resident evil or FIFA on the gamepad. This is a massive feature, its almost like getting a console and handheld for the price of a console. Also if I want to play wii u I can just pick up the remote and use it to switch the tv off and on and also use it to turn the volume up or down. Its a fantastic bit of kit.
MikeyDucati1  +   894d ago
I'm a grown man, not a kid. All this talk about the great features of Wii U as if Wii U is in place to take the lead in the console race is absolutely hilarious. What world are you guys living in?

Oh wait, is it Nintendoland? Just stay off the mushrooms folks.

It seems as though @Movieworld, @Animavicion and @scissor_runner only skimmed through my posts or just read the posts of someone who responded to me who themselves didn't read my entire response in the first place. Smh, stupid. I can tell that because each post is an attempt to defend Wii U when there wasn't no attack. An assessment is not an attack on your beloved consoles folks.

I don't know a Wii U owner who is raving about the TV add on feature that you guys, in another thread, would slander MS about for putting it in their system. These are discussions, not debates here people. No point needs to be proven here. People want to play games and Wii U is not offering that library that is grabbing the attention of the majority. And that doesn't pay the bills. Deal with it.
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cyberninja  +   895d ago
And i say that Molyneux would fare better out of game development and commenting on gaming in general.
310dodo  +   895d ago
He created Fable

Part 1 is a Masterpiece

what game did you direct?
cunnilumpkin  +   895d ago
ummmm......Molyneux....the ds and 3ds wanna talk with you

they will destroy anything ps4/xboxone can ever hope to accomplish

the wii u is just starting out.....and while I think its weak, and not the best console, when the big n drops it to $199 right before black Friday, watch it start crushing
Animavicion  +   895d ago
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-Gespenst-  +   895d ago
I don't think they'll back out after how successful the DS was. The only thing they need right now is good games, and lots of them, for both the 3ds and the Wii U, then they'll be laughing. I suppose that might be a tall order though...
jc48573  +   895d ago
I can't wait for Iwata to shut this guy up.
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LOL_WUT  +   895d ago
With what more broken promises? Please understand! ;)
scissor_runner  +   895d ago
Those broken promises make for some damn good games! What about that online fee Sony? Hmmmm
PSjesus  +   895d ago
I Say Molyneux Would Fare Better Out Of The gaming Business
Veni Vidi Vici  +   895d ago
I understand where people that think that are coming from but you have to consider how innovative Nintendo is in terms of hardware. They're always thinking of interesting new ideas with their consoles that many times get copied by the other console manufacturers. Sure, they don't always work out, but I'd still hate to lose that originality in the industry.
Angeljuice  +   895d ago
Like the motion controlled games they copied from the original (PS2) eyetoy?
scissor_runner  +   895d ago
It's not copying if you blow them completely out of the water with better motion controlled games? I mean its only copying when you fail like the sales of the ps wand or the smash clone or the kart clone. You know because Sony is only good at movie games and god of war.
galgatronth  +   895d ago
*cough* power glove *cough*
Dj7FairyTail  +   894d ago
NES and SNES had it first
jakmckratos  +   895d ago
3DS is awesome. Wii U...I've got no real reason to buy
mydyingparadiselost  +   895d ago
And like everything else Molyneux says it's BS.
Williamson  +   895d ago
I think Nintendo or anybody are better off not listening to what this guy has to say.
diepdiep  +   895d ago
Just imagine Molyneux saying this to Iwata.

Molyneux: "You and Nintendo should get out of the hardware business."

Iwata: *punches Molyneux*
TongkatAli  +   895d ago
Nintendo is a pioneer of gaming hardware. You cant just tell them to stop making hardware, it's what they do. Isn't this like the fifth time we have seen an article like this ?

Stop embarrassing yourselves = D 3DS is number one. I'm pretty sure the profits combined with software and 3DS hardware sold put them in a very good place.

I see no doom for Nintendo : /

The only con is Nintendo doesn't give you a lot of power in their hardware which is i think is their style ? It works for them so they will continue it.

PS4 and Xbone killing Wii U isn't happening if anything Wii U will be on the run and they will never catch it to kill it. More power doesn't mean you're smarter, hmmmmmm, lol.
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TheEvilWithin  +   895d ago
Totally agree with you Tong! Everyone is always like LOOK AT THE GRAPHICS like its the only selling point to games. Yes visually it is nice to have improved graphics but I don't think that should be the one and only selling point for a system. If it was I don't think its the system that needs to mature I think its the consumer who needs to. Nintendo Gives amazing quality games. I never have screen tearing or frame rate drop issues or glitches popping up. Quality is better then quantity and that's how Nintendo see's it.
Baka-akaB  +   895d ago
Why does those argument always sounds like it's a case of either quality or graphics ?

Besides when is it always about graphics ?

Something like Uncharted is very much like some current nintendo games ... not trying to be innovative in any area , but polished and tight in it's gameplay .

The worst offenders in the "graphics craze" , namely the fps genre , usually often tries to offer a blend or at least one of the following : great physics that can enhance the gameplay , epic scale and big world to explore , better AI and reactions from foes , and new or numerous features for multiplayer gameplay . Or even an attempt at a great plot or cinematic storytelling .

It's not often that a game is just pretty and offers nothing else . At worst those pretty games are usually done with tight gameplay , and raw horsepower did create some nifty concept everyonce in a while .So i dont get that recurrent argument about only caring about graphics . It's a whole package 90% of the time
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TheEvilWithin  +   895d ago
I agree Baka but a lot of the time most gamers miss the point of gaming. ALOT of the time you see people point out how visually good a game looks over how well it plays or if it has story or meaning at ALL. With Nintendo its just good old fashion fun games. Sometimes you just need to step away from all REALISTIC VISUALS and just play a game that's fun.
TheEvilWithin  +   895d ago
I love Nintendo! If they stopped making a home console I think I would stop playing games all together. There the only balance between SONY and Microsoft. SONY and Microsoft are more focused twords shooters and Nintendo is the only ones doing Platform games. Plus most gamers owe there respects to Nintendo. If it was not for them I don't think the gaming market would be where it is today.
BATRA  +   895d ago
that's very true been with nintendo from 1985 to now and have seen good games from nintendo for many years what as ps1,2,3,4 did to be different been a shooting console for a very long time and was a good console for over heating in games its just to powerful to look at it and xbox as been come a cable box now who is going to compete with comcast and that's new for me never seen this coming from xbox so wow
Mikefizzled  +   895d ago
N4G articles these days seem to be devoted to any comment he or Blezsinski say..,
animegamingnerd  +   895d ago
well they are two people in this industry i have no idea why people listen to them and they are both complete twats
GreenRanger  +   895d ago
Stop sniffing the glue, Peter.
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mrbojingles  +   895d ago
If you think like him you're an idiot. Nintendo makes half a billion dollars in profit off just one or two 3DS games (Mk7 and 3D Land) so stop saying they should go third party. You can't do math and it's clear. They'd lose SO MUCH MONEY if they did and they're a very profitable business. I think the industry is just upset that Nintendo can play by their own rules and be successful even if their home consoles sell 20 million units over 6 years like Cube
LAWSON72  +   895d ago
All the wii u needs is a price drop and it will start selling. As for Molyneux, I dont know what he is worse at developing games or talking
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Dj7FairyTail  +   894d ago
nope. Nintendo games is what will drive wii u not price.
Cryptcuzz  +   895d ago
What do Molyneux, Blizinski, and Pachter have in common?

They are all attention whores, loves to open their mouths, hypocrites and needs to be covered much much much less.

Nintendo will be fine, no one needs to be reminded of that especially from someone else like Molyneux.
Rask  +   895d ago
Well, despite the poor Wii U performance, the 3DS is an amazing handheld, and is going pretty well. I'm playing a lot of Ocarina of Time 3D and MH3 Ultimate lately, and i'm really looking forward for Zelda A Link Between Worlds and Pokémon X/Y.
Baka-akaB  +   895d ago
Maybe molyneux should keep some of his opinions ot himself , especially on hardware
KumquatGOATBEEF  +   895d ago
I would never buy a Wii because I prefer hardcore gaming with superior hardware in PS/Xbox. I haven't owned a Nintendo since the N64 days.

That being said, I would almost certainly play/buy Mario games on the PS4. It's a classic franchise that has infinite charm and Nintendo is damn good at developing software. Think of Zelda, Mario, Star Fox, Metroid, Donkey Kong, Mario Kart on next gen systems... they'd sell like hot cakes.

I don't ever see this happening, though. Nintendo has an arrogance about them that makes me think they'd rather go down with the ship than go the Sega route.
NihonjinChick  +   895d ago
It's not arrogance that makes Nintendo not want to make games for Sony and MS.

One bad console and suddenly Nintendo just needs to drop out of the race? The 3DS is doing fine. Nintendo was the leader this gen, Wii outselling both of their rivals. They can afford this one little mess up. Who knows? Maybe they can raise sales. The 3DS wasn't too hot when it came out, now it's number 1.

Nintendo doesn't need to make games for the PS or Xbox.
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PopRocks359  +   895d ago
"But but but but! 3DS is not Wii U and Wii U cannot POSSIBLY start to sell more!"

It's a damn good thing Nintendo is still making hardware, otherwise Sony would be monopolizing this generation. And before any snarky fanboys try to convince me that's a good thing, monopolies are NEVER good.

Competition is what will make this industry move forward, not one company owning the entire damn market.
Dj7FairyTail  +   894d ago
Zelda remake and Mario 3D for Wii U holiday 2013 = 3DS zelda oot, mario kart and mario 3D 2011
Baka-akaB  +   895d ago
With that kind of logic leap ... Sony might have given up faced with financial woes and release it's games on other hardwares .

Needless to say it's a faulty logic . How is it arrogance ? They dont feel defeated and actually never were .

Even at their lowest , people still loved to purchase their games , even if ignoring 3rd party stuff
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Dj7FairyTail  +   894d ago
so did you buy N64 because PS1 was 32 bit and N64 was 64 bit and much stronger and able to bring out better quality 3D games
310dodo  +   895d ago
I love my SNES and was just playing it.
But its far from the glory days.

I would love to see a Zelda for my PS4
I would love to play a New Sunshine or Galaxy on my PS4
MASTER_RAIDEN  +   895d ago
yeah, too bad molyneux is a laughingstock and has absolutely no business telling one of the most iconic brand names of all time what to do.
so sorry to hear that nintendo has hit hard times but youd better believe the second a price drop hits, things will pick up for them 10 fold. whether nintendo likes it or not, the wii u may be a bit pricey for a lot of people who would otherwise like to pick up the console. all they really need to do is keep on delivering quality software and introduce a price reduction when theyre ready. as behind on the times as it may be in terms of its power, wii u is still an amazing console. nintendo is just always a bit more stubborn to budge on what they believe in.
schlanz  +   895d ago
As much as it pains me to say, Nintendo really took a misstep with the Wii U. It was priced too high for a console that just barely beat out the current gen systems.. they were really banking on the tablet controls being a justification for a weaker next-gen system just as motion controls did for last gen.

Nintendo CAN and WILL survive on the ridiculous strength of its first party games. But I'd like to see them return to their former glory. I can't see how that could possibly happen within this console gen, outside of the release of a new console that is completely revolutionary, not simply evolutionary. If anyone were to produce something totally out of the box and unprecedented it would be Nintendo.. they were wrong to think adding a 2nd screen would do the trick. They need something crazy like Oculus Rift or something.
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