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Submitted by geekspodcast 430d ago | opinion piece

E3 2013 – Sony’s PS4 Dominates the Xbox One (For the Wrong Reasons)

A brief look at how Sony capitalized on the Xbox One hate to put some PR hurt on Microsoft at E3 2013 and some of the highlights of the presentations. (E3, Microsoft, Next-Gen, PS4, Sony, Xbox One)

President  +   430d ago | Well said
More powerful
Cheaper
No restrictions

PS4 dominates the xbox for the right reasons.
OllieBoy  +   430d ago
Yep. The reasons couldn't be more right.
JokesOnYou  +   430d ago
Yeah geekspodcast PR is one thing but X1 sure as hell delivered better where it counts GAMES presentation. ...their billion dollar investment in this area already looks to be paying off.

Ironicly their weak point which was drm has actually made possible a very convenient feature like game sharing which is a very attractive benefit for alot of gamers like me with family and friends on the east coast or just too far to drive to make sharing your games practical. Microsoft imo should start an ad campaign to ad to highlight this immediately.
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nukeitall  +   430d ago
@JokesOnYou:

The gamesharing is very nice indeed, but I also love the TV and Kinect features.

Voice control is what I use on my Xbox 360 viewing Netflx. I usually scream Xbox, My Pins, Netflix from the bathroom while getting dressed from a shower after a long day of work!
Aceman18  +   430d ago
I'm not going to give a click to this site, but are telling us it should have been about the games?

I think its fairly obvious that we won't have that problem come this gen since Sony always supports it systems with exclusives. Its not just going to stop now that they are releasing a new console.

PlayStation gamers don't have to worry about the games because we know they will come.
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geekspodcast  +   430d ago
It's ok not to give a click to the site, but as far as games go I think Microsoft did a better job at the actual E3 announcement of focusing on games than they did at the weird pre-announcement which focused more heavily on multimedia capabilities. Doing so at E3 would've been nightmarish methinks since gamers predominantly stay tuned into E3 and not the people who would be more interested in those features.

Sony had some great showcases as well and I'm particularly pumped for Infamous: Second Son!

Anyways, thanks for the comment :)
Bathyj  +   430d ago
I've said this exact thing before. great games are a given on PlayStation. we know they're coming. we know they'll keep coming. with Xbox we know they'll have a strong start, and then they'll stop about halfway through the generation. especially if it starts poorly. MS will drop it in 5 years.

besides of all the great games we saw at e3, and there were many on both systems, the ones that surprised me the most were second son and Killzone. titan fall and dead rising looked good but only spark on Xbone really excited me.
Gamer Muzz  +   430d ago
It's in poor taste to comment on something if you aren't even willing to read the article first.
For the record, That's not at all what it was about.
If you had taken the time to actually look into it before you commented, you'd see that it offered an objective an unbiased viewpoint....with the added bonus that you'd know what it's actually about.
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Aceman18  +   430d ago
Calm down gamer you see geeks didn't take it personally so why are you?

Anyway geeks I see what your saying yes the showing of games was pretty good but most were multi plat, or timed exclusives. The one game at that presser that truly intrigued me was Quantum Break as I love Remedy and the game looks hella different from the constant shooters. Personally I think both companies did a bang up jobs showcasing games.

Just that MS policies, price, and trying to tell us what we need for the good of us without discussing it with the gaming public was just wrong.

Bubbles to you for a civil response to my comment.
Ezz2013  +   430d ago
it blow my mind that xbox fans (only in N4G)
still defend MS and Xbox1
after all xbox1 turn out to be
much weaker
more expensive
with tons of restrictions

in another N4G article
xbox fans still think both consoles are close in power because kojima
(who was at Xbox E3 showing his game on xbox)said so
it's like they expect him to say :

"hey, xbox1 is weak console now go buy our game on much powerful console ps4"

even when they have the Official specs in front of them ...they still ignore it
never seen such denial

it getting really sad here
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Felonycarclub8  +   430d ago
Yeah everytime kojima is on the Microsoft stage he looks like he doesn't want to be there but I guess money talks. I just hope he uses the ps4 to its potential like he did with the ps3.
AngelicIceDiamond  +   430d ago
Considering other devs have spoken their minds on Xbox One negative and some positive. What makes you think Kojima would cover MS ass for some reason?

Your comment is just another everyday fanboy comment, nothing special.

"Much Weaker" tell me what game did you see at E3 that looks better on PS4?

Not saying there won't be a difference but how much of a difference? Let me guess your probably thinking PS1 graphics (X1) PS4 graphics Super duper Super rigged PC graphics lol.
Ezz2013  +   430d ago
@angelicicediamond

"""What makes you think Kojima would cover MS ass for some reason? """

the fact that he can't say any thing bad about the console he just demoed his game on it in E3 and want you to buy his game on it too ?!

commensense and logic can be good for you to use sometimes
what he said is what we call "PR"

here the Official specs for both from MS & Sony
http://i.imgur.com/Z4CvNT1....
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
does that seem "Small difference" to you ?!

if so
then you better keep following the 3rd part Dev's PR and trust them

it's not like they want to promote their games on all systems
that would be insane /s
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manny1up  +   430d ago
More Exclusives Games
NO EFFING KINECT (I F$%#&@ HATE KINECT)
Gamer Muzz  +   430d ago
@ President - Sure, the right reasons are there too, but he's stressing that the idea of Sony using these things to gain a "short term tactical advantage" over microsoft is not something that shows gamers that Sony actually CARES about them or is looking out for them. He's pointing out that Sony is just as interested in imposing strict DRM or a fully digitally distributed video game retail business model upon us in the future.
When he says "for the wrong reasons" he means that they're doing all these right things to make the PS4 better, so later on, once they gain a strong foothold, they too can hit us with the things we don't like if they choose to do so.

@Jokesonyou - I've been able to share games for decades. That's nothing new. With the added bonus that my old games still work. What happens 10, 20, 30 years from now when there is no support for the Xbox One and it no longer checks in to validate my software? How many games will I be sharing then? The answer is None. Because no games will work on the system at all any more.
Also, the idea that MS is going to allow us to share 100% of the game with friends and family seems a bit unrealistic to me. If I have a circle of friends equaling 10 people and can let them play my games to completion, that would be money out of the pocket of the retail video game industry on every level.
Also consider that for every 100,000 copies of a game that sells, another potential 900,000 more people would be able to play it for free. That doesn't seem like something any developer or publisher would stand behind. But I guess we'll see.
miyamoto  +   430d ago
Sony has put the burden of anti-piracy on its back. M$ put the burden on people.
@Gamer Muzz

Relax, man.

I am sorry to strike a nerve but I mean business, buddy.

With great power comes great responsibility.

What has the biggest software company in the world done to combat piracy on PC and Consoles for the last three decades?

NONE!

You hear me Xbox None!

Microsoft puts the burden of anti-piracy on the consumer instead of dealing with it themselves.

Sony wins by doing the right thing.
M$ looses by declaring war against the consumer.

Like I told before Sony's investment on Blu-ray and its Blu-ray-Cell anti-games piracy combo will pay off in the long term and that time is now.

7 years has passed and still PS3 blu-ray discs are not massively mass produced for piracy unlike Xbox 360 games where you can buy dirt cheap in side walks of Asia.

Sony has no need for these anti-consumer rights DRM and mandatory installs & security checks because they invested on it the right way or the best way with PS3 and Bluray early on. They put the burden on themselves.

Microsoft puts the burden of anti-piracy on the consumer instead of dealing with it themselves.

And that is good enough reason for PS4 to combat piracy like PS3 does. This is good news for all game makers and they can have good ROI for their business and a promise of more great games in the future.
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JokesOnYou  +   430d ago
Gamer Muzz as Ive said before I know there will be limits to the sharing feature but even so its still a great option at this point.

 "I've been able to share games for decades. That's nothing new"

-Not like X1 lets you share them, even if they limit the multiplayer or make it just 2 people, essentially me and a friend can go 50/50 on a full retail game and both play the single player game day ONE on East and West coast. If you can't see the convenience and the financial benefits of that then its just because you dont want to.

"What happens 10, 20, 30 years from now when there is no support for the Xbox One and it no longer checks in to validate my software?"

-Wow, really? uhm first of all its all digtial code from now on in the cloud, so as long as they maintain the servers you are just 1 authentification code away from access to your software being downloaded on mutiple hardware devices in the future including PC. But lets be realistic who the hell is playing Pitfall from atari now? Nostalgia is one thing but honestly they make new improved games for a reason.
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Gamer Muzz  +   430d ago
@miyamoto
Struck a nerve? Not really. You may "mean business buddy", but It seems like you're just spouting off fanboy rants rather than looking at the industry with an open mind and objective viewpoint. That's sad.

First off, you completely dodged every point made in my prior comment.

Secondly, I never commented on The PC industry or piracy. It's a non issue. I wont disagree with what you said. but It's not at all the point of anything here.
So MS sucks as a corporation. That's not groundbreaking news bud. So does Sony, Wal Mart, and starbucks. Get use to it.
And THAT'S exactly my point. You seem to suffer from the delusion that Sony Loves you or something.

Who cares about what games you can get on the streets of Asia when the biggest video game market in the world is the united sates?
Also, The 360 requires modification to play bootlegs. This modification can be identified by MS and the console banned from the internet. Who needs to lock out used games and impose 24 hour validation when they already have a system that works to combat piracy?

It's easy enough to see what you're trying to do. It's very transparent.
All of this is irrelevant banter used in an attempt to make one money hungry corporation look less evil than another.
It's an infantile and ignorant argument to present at all. I'm embarrassed for you more than anything. But to show you how your argument is flawed, I'll say this.
If you think the DRM, 24 hour checks, ETC are about piracy, it just goes to show how little you know. This is a blatant attack on the Buy, Sell, Trade, retail video game industry. And as I said before, It's something Sony is also VERY interested in doing as they have shown with the patients they have filed that are just as restrictive as MS's current policy.

and with that, I'll say goodbye (as I Am out of comments.
For future reference, If you want to be taken seriously, Try saying MS or Microsoft instead of "M$". I'm surprised you didn't use the term "Xbot" while you were at it.
Open your eyes and look at the industry for what it is, Act like a real gamer, and stop being such a sheep.

@Jokesonyou
Video game history is represented in physical form in most cases. the Xbox One will destroy that.
Not only do I play and collect video game history from 10, 20, 30, years ago, but I enjoy them very much. I would like to be able to continue to do so. I would also like to find value in my games down the road where these will have none at all once the format is dropped.
If you think MS will support that content forever, you're doing yourself a great injustice. That will not be the case.
You may not appreciate the significance of that, But I sure do.
Also, how will you get new games once the format is dropped? Authorized game dealers who you can trade games with will stop dealing in them just as gamestop stops selling games for all consoles once they become obsolete. MS has already said that you can only trade a game with a friend one time. then the disc is locked.
How will you even know if a game is playable once authorized dealers no longer carry them?
It will be a fiasco and then the support will be dropped. Mark my words.

Look man, I've been a proponent of the xbox brand for 12 years now. I've had XBL Gold for 7 years and a modest gamer score of 41K. I don't want to say these things, But the truth is the truth. it hurts me as much as any MS fan. But I'm just not happy with their plans.
If you want to talk further, I'm out of comments, but I'd welcome a PM.
AngelicIceDiamond  +   430d ago
Keep playing that "more powerful gig" I doubt we'll see a huge difference.
miyamoto  +   430d ago
PS4 dominates XBOne for doing what is right for the whole gaming industry & society!
Do bloggers have no common sense at all coming up with these titles?
Oh I forgot .... they are paid to spin the truth into something else.

That is today's gaming journalism for you.

M$ declared war with consumers with their policies and media spin it as "the console war" type of thing.

Most gamers maybe nerds but we are not uneducated commoner simpletons.

Heh, for the record Sony PlayStation supporters made the PS3 successful over 360 with public voices and opinions more that Sony actually did. Fact!

Do not under estimate us!
Do not under estimate people power!
Do not under estimate the voice of consumers!

If you think you have money and corporate power on your side think again!

We can wield the power of the internet as much or greater than you do.

I'll leave this here.
http://www.escapistmagazine...
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DarthJay  +   430d ago
It's abundantly clear that you (Sony Defense Force) can wield the power of the internet. That is the exact reason there is such a massive over-reaction to the Xbox One.

And let me knock all your tricks off the table before you reach for them: no, I don't work for Microsoft, no, I am not reading a press release, yes, I preordered a Playstation 4. There is no media spin. There are tinfoil hat wearers and Microsoft haters. The Defense Force is doing what they do best, and they are doing a fantastic job.

Guess what? People are allowed to be excited for the Xbox One... and they should be. Does that mean the PS4 isn't going to be fantastic? Absolutely not. It means the Xbox One is going to be great. And it will be. All the doomsayers can say what they want. The Defense Force doesn't even realize they are doing Xbox owners a favor by being so vocal because any chance that comes in the coming months will be 100% on you. So I guess I should say thanks?

I guess it's nice to have the more powerful machine for the first time in like, what, eight years? I'd be excited too. Oh wait, I am, because I'm getting one.

The verbal assault on Microsoft is getting nauseating. I've never seen anything like it. It's all consuming. It's like the Defense Force literally sits around all day waiting to pounce on anything remotely positive about Microsoft.

Microsoft did not declare war on the consumer. That is hyperbole. In five months when both consoles finally launch, everyone will see this whole thing was much to do about nothing.

Can't wait for both, and I WILL NOT be told I am wrong for feeling that way.
Imalwaysright  +   430d ago
Oh Yeah its sony defence force they're all over teh internetz, not consumers in general that are against MS policies! I mean consumers don't have to be vocal about losing their rights. They'll just bendover and accept the future MS wants to enforce on the industry rather than them choosing the future they want because they don't care about their rights. I mean who needs them?

Guess what people are allowed to speak up against MS anti-consumer policies because MS IS declaring war on us consumers! What? You expected us to keep quiet about it?

Do you think we're idiots and we're not capable of understanding on our own what MS is doing? If you do please enlighten us with your words of wisdom and tell us how and why MS policies aren't anti-consumer and why we, consumers, should blindly accept them like sheeps.
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miyamoto  +   430d ago
Denial much?
Did I strike a nerve?
We will strike your nerves all day! XD

"doing a fantastic job."
Well your reaction says so much. Thank you very much! Much appreciated.

"The verbal assault on Microsoft.."
More like verbal reaction, opinion, freedom of speech and defense.

We will stay vigilant defending this industry that Sony help build into a billion dollar one even before M$ stepped in and try to ruin it by trying to destroy PlayStation.

http://ca.ign.com/articles/...

Because by M$ logic PS2 was a threat to Windows PC in every household in America.

We love gaming with a passion not sitting but standing on roof tops and shouting with a loud voice defending it from a market swiper money monster like M$.
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DarthJay  +   430d ago
Haha. Are you a poet? Like clockwork. Struck a nerve? With moi? Bro. I'm proving a point, and thank you for responding, because the point has been made. The dramatic, propaganda stuff is hilarious. Say things enough times and even you will believe it, right? No denial. The console will launch and all fears will be put to rest. It's going to be OK. You can change your diaper and rest easy.

@Imalwayswrong - Microsoft has the same message that Sony has when it comes to used games: it's up to the devs. If anyone listened to them for half a second instead of blowing a gasket over nothing, it would make sense. How is the sharing program anti-consumer? I will be letting people play my games FAR MORE than I ever did with the physical disc. Devs are going to be wishing for games to be sold used when they realize people are going to take turns buying games and take turns playing them. I'm not going to waste my time giving examples, because it is just going to go in one ear and out the other. And that's fine. I'm buying both because they will both rule, and I can't wait for them to both get here so everyone can see how normal everything will be and get over it.
Imalwaysright  +   430d ago
I don't know why you had to start speaking about Sony but In regards to the used game market MS basicaly controls and tells me how and o whom i can sell MY games. Does Sony do that? No? Thought so. There is also something about some fees but I'll wait until MS explains them with more detail before passing judgement.

In regards to the sharing of games I don't want companies controlling how and, whom I can lend MY games. It would be an awesome feature if it weren't for the restrictions.

What happened? I though you were going to enlighten me with your words of wisdom! Instead I got someone that uses another company policies as if Sony doing the same thing (which is not) excused MS anti-consumer practices. Not only that but you speak to me as if I was an idiot and I wasn't capable of understanding the difference between Sony and MS policies. I won't be fooled so easily.

I'll still be waiting for your words of "wisdom" though! I want you to tell me how or why I will benefit from MS anti-consumer practices, why I should support MS DRM box and why I should be ok with a future that I don't want for the industry.

Also, just would like to say that I laughed when you said "my games". If "my games" were truly yours you would have the FREEDOM to do whathever the hell YOU want with them. You don't so its not "my games" Its "their games".
DarthJay  +   430d ago
It's always been their games. For every platform. Every single game, even now, says "this game licensed..." So yeah, about that.

Again, both Sony and Microsoft have said they are going to leave it up to the developers to decide the policy. Sure, Microsoft has more control, but no one actually knows how it is going to work. It's all speculation and everyone expects the worst (or in the case of Sony fanboys, wants the worst).

I'm not here to enlighten. You can't enlighten someone that doesn't want to listen. It really doesn't matter what I say. You're going to ignore it and keep on living the life of a lie. That's OK. You're free to do so. You're getting the reaction you want, so I mean, if that helps you sleep at night: congratulations.

I really feel bad for people that have made it their life to sit on the internet and bitch about Microsoft all day. I mean, you try really hard. I guess that's a win?
Imalwaysright  +   429d ago
I've been gaming for more than 20 years and I played countless of licensed games and I never had problems selling or lending MY licensed games. Sony and Nintendo don't seem to have a problem with it either. Oh and guess what, here in Europe I have EVERY RIGHT to sell MY licensed games without having companies telling me how I should or shouldn't do it. I got to say though, that i find fascinating how fast you changed your tune from "my games" to "licensed games". Who is part of a defense team now?

Oh and I do listen but I only listen to valid points but I understand how hard it is to find something positive to say about MS DRM box. Not even MS PR team can do it so you shouldn't feel bad about failing MS. Oh well, since you can't find some good reasons why I shouldn't talk about MS anti-consumer practices I'll make sure you sit all day defending the xbone and bitch about teh sony defense force. I just love hypocrites. Don't you?
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Ron_Danger  +   430d ago
Anyone else notice in the past week all of the blog/ cast websites that started popping up defending XBox One?
ltachiUchiha  +   430d ago
Microsoft are paying them to defend them from their own downfall of dumb mistakes. Love how microsoft said, "We Listened To Our Fans" haha, The dumbest PR's in the industry.

Edit: I was being sarcastic lol. I do believe that they had something to do with amazon though.
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manslaught3r  +   430d ago
Yes, they are coming out of the woodwork now, like the cockroaches they are. Damage control is in full force, but the damage has been done and OH THE DAMAGE!
Valkyre  +   430d ago
Those "geeks" think that protecting consumer rights and gaming as a hobby are "the wrong reasons"....

Well...

Geeks...

PS: Playstation doesnt need to even mention its exclusive studios... there are so many as has been proven time and time again this gen, with new IPs, divercity in terms of gaming experiences (instead of just shooting stuff on xbox) etc etc.
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geekspodcast  +   430d ago
Agreed on the protection of consumer rights. I'm not quite sure why the gaming industry feels it's immune to the same second-hand sales that occur within other industries and Microsoft's moves feel punishing as an Xbox supporter and Live subscriber for nearly a decade now.
The_Klank  +   430d ago
I'd just like to point out that for the games you are looking forward to you put Infamous a Sony exclusive and 3 multi platform games FFIV Destiny and Watchdogs.

If Sony's policies aren't the right reason and neither are the games then what is?
dennett316  +   430d ago
They want to be immune because they're no good at admitting mistakes. Games like Tomb Raider can sell over 3 million copies in a month, and apparently, that's considered a failure. Resident Evil 6 sold over 5 million (closer to 6), and Capcom were still complaining.
They're all chasing Call of Duty sales rather than budgeting for more sensible sales figures that won't put them in the red. In short, publishers are really damn stupid. They want to railroad customers into buying their games rather than actually doing the work required to earn their custom. So they whine and complain about piracy (a relatively minor problem Vs the sheer number of legitimate sales) and then complain about used games, all while failing to address the real issues - they're stagnating the industry in their efforts to be as successful as CoD. Releasing generic game after generic game, filled to the brim with a check list of features they think will be the perfect formula to get those CoD-level sales. Rarely innovating, rarely doing anything different to stand out from the crowd, and then wondering why their grey sludge of a game didn't do as well as they hoped when they threw a ton of money at it.
kenshiro100  +   430d ago
No, the PS4 dominated for the right reasons. Sony gets my money next gen.
TheEvilWithin  +   430d ago
I thought it was up to Microsoft to try to sell me on a system not someone from geekpodcast? Lets face it Microsoft are horrible sales men and have no tactic in selling this piece of junk to anyone. Sick of seeing articles like this popping up EVERYDAY. If Microsoft can't sell me on there Junkbox 1 then NO ONE CAN.
geekspodcast  +   430d ago
Microsoft certainly DOES need to work on their salesmanship this time around. $499.99 and restrictive (even punishing) policies don't exactly thrill me into recommending the system. Everyone will have different desires in their next system, but MIcrosoft put a hurtin' on themselves between 24 hour checks, elimination of (practical) used game sales, and a high cost to entry.
IIJOSEPHXII  +   430d ago
It's too late for microsoft.
Funky Town_TX  +   430d ago
Remove DRM and take kinect out the box and M$ will be in good shape.
wishingW3L  +   430d ago
pretty much that's all they need to do and the hate will just disappear. But I wonder what is their agenda with the DRM, 24 hours check-in and stuff. Are they really trying to lower game prices? But what will happen when the PS4 ends up selling more consoles and games too? How are MS going to lower game prices then?
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geekspodcast  +   430d ago
Hey all, perhaps I should have titled the article differently but my point was that Sony HAS done right by gamers, I'm just not so sure if their motivations truly lie with us or if they saw an opportunity in Microsoft's blunder. I do appreciate the feedback and earnestly see merits to both systems but I don't think anyone would argue that Sony did an excellent job highlighting the strengths of their system compared to the Xbox One.
ltachiUchiha  +   430d ago
Dont worry mate sony has already won this battle between microsoft. Now its just Nintendo they are going against. Microsoft will be not only last in sales, they will be DEAD LAST. They will be lucky to surpass the original xbox.
dennett316  +   430d ago
I argue that they did....they did a fantastic job in that regard. They showed that they're giving indie devs a home by allowing them to self publish. They showed that the draconian restrictions MS are trying to dress up as a positive thing for gamers are actually not all that positive. There is a better, simpler approach that costs a hell of a lot less.
They went at MS because they knew how gamers were feeling after their conference and reveal....that's a good thing, it shows that they're trying to listen. Just like they apparently listened to developers when they were designing the PS4 internals and made it nice and easy to develop for.
Like any company, they want to make money, and a strategy counter to MS' more restrictive policies is the perfect way to do that. They are doing business the right way, and it can only be a positive thing for gamers.
miyamoto  +   430d ago
Will Sony destroy a multi-billion dollar industry they themselves build?
"Hey all, perhaps I should have titled the article differently"

Yes, sir. Please. And that goes with your future articles.

Thank you for explaining your points.

" I'm just not so sure if their motivations truly lie with us or if they saw an opportunity in Microsoft's blunder."

Dude use your common sense please.

Dude, even a 12 year old can understand Sony's PlayStation principles when it comes to the games industry they help build into this billion dollar industry with PS1 and PS2.

And that is even before M$ stepped in to ruin things down with Xbox.

But I understand you and millions out there.

M$ grand standing through the years claiming they are part of console gaming industry has permeated through out the pop culture where in reality they are just door crashers.

Ask yourself this question. I you have successfully created a billion dollar industry with PS and PS2 as your bread and butter will you destroy it with these anti-game consumer restrictive policies?

Why does this question have to be asked to Sony?
Why does this question have to be asked to Sony?

M$ can thrash and trample this industry because they did not toil for it, they did no blood and sweat investment to raise the industry from the ground up, they are just corporate bullies here to steal market share like they do to other emerging markets like pc, smartphones, tablets, video games, search engines, music players etc etc

Sony PlayStation livelihood is dependent on the health of video games. M$ motive is to seek and destroy Sony.

I am gonna bring this argument out into the light and get this FUD against PlayStation out of the way.
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Gamer Muzz  +   430d ago
Could you sound more pompous?
First of all, you act like your opinion is the beginning and the end. I'm here to tell you that it is not.
He uses plenty of common sense. Offered up an unbiased article voicing an objective view of things for people to consider. There's nothing wrong with that, nor does it lack common sense. You should however take your own advice and practice some yourself. (and maybe some modesty.)

Speaking as someone who will be buying a PS4 and not an Xbox One, I can say in all honesty (because I'm open minded and not a fanboy) that MS has toiled as much as anyone else.
In fact, Toiled more than Sony had to in their first 12 years on the market. The Original Xbox was a fantastic console as was the 360 and the climb was not an easy one with Sony dominating the market for 2 generations (before the launch of the PS3)
Sony however never had to "Toil". They built their work upon the ideas of those who actually built the video game industry.
They released the PS1 and it was the right console at the right time. They had practically no in house studios at the time, and rode the wave to the top on 3rd party exclusives using a console that was originally Nintendo's Idea. THATS "toil"? LOL
And speaking of bullying, the only reason Sony ended up taking the Play Station as their own was because they tried to claim rights to all of Nintendo's intellectual properties that appeared on the Play Station when it was being created as an SNES add on. As if they deserved the rights to all of Ninetndo's hard earned franchises. But I guess you think Sony has never bullied a smaller company. LOL. That's just plain naive. MS isn't the only cut throat corporation out there bud.

I appreciate that the Playstation brand is one of the greatest in video game history and I've enjoyed and owned them all. Hell, I have hundreds of Playstation games in my collection, but I have no Delusions.

For the record, Sony is very interested in practicing the same restrictions that MS is implementing with the Xbox One. If they weren't, then why have they filed patients on technology that locks games to consoles and eliminates the possibility of used games (as well as other similar technology) for the past 9 years?
Don't think Sony cares about us any more than MS does. They're just doing what they can to gain an advantage over MS right now, and nothing else.
Of course, it's working and that's why I will be getting a PS4, but I wont pretend that the future for video game retail and true ownership is a dim one indeed.
If you want to keep your eyes closed or your head buried in the sand, that's cool. If you want to believe a corporation actually cares about you more than earning a buck, go for it, But when the 9th gen consoles come out, and we have no choice but to fall in line with all these anti consumer practices if we want to keep gaming, I want you to think back on this conversation and see how right or wrong you actually were.
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buynit  +   430d ago
I just can't believe how far ms took this drm.. But it's a lot harder to believe that ppl are reserving the Xbox one.

All that really bothers me is the 24 hr check or no off line play that's just crazy.
geekspodcast  +   430d ago
It's awfully disconcerting. Even considering that I love many of Microsoft's exclusive properties, it's hard to stay loyal feeling like I've been punished for remaining so. Thanks for the comment :)
DarthJay  +   430d ago
All that bothers you is something that can be done from a cell phone and something you made up? You can play offline. But why would you? They are building a system that needs the internet to function properly. They are encouraging developers to use the internet as a tool. Some games won't function properly on the system without being online. Why is this so difficult to process? Oh, because it's never been done before? Fine.

People are preordering the Xbox One because it is going to be awesome. Anyone that claims otherwise is ignorant. I can say that for the same reason anyone speaking positively about the Playstation 4 can without playing it. Both consoles will be fantastic.

Am I in love with the DRM? No. But I am in love with the game sharing. It's so anti-consumer. I mean, letting 10 people anywhere in the world have access to your games without having to actually physically hand them the disc? Those jerks.

One thing is abundantly clear: it's going to be a long five months. This nonsense is becoming insufferable.
Imalwaysright  +   430d ago
Yes, it bothers me having to ask permission to use MY PROPERTY.
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buynit  +   430d ago
What did I make up? Last I read from ms they said that you can't play games if not checked in 24 hrs. I take that back, no that is not all that bothers but that is the one that I couldn't over look and trust me I was planning on getting the console all they had to do was announce ki and it was going to be day one.

What are you talking about, cell phone? I didn't read anything about that but it sounds interesting for a back up plan...

I'm positive it's going to be awesome I loved the whole idea on how seem less tv, games, music etc laces together.. The nfl thing is going to be huge! An I'm sure those 300k servers can deliver. I wasn't worried about games either like most ppl I knew the games was coming and they sure did at e3 can't deny that.

I was able to ignore all the other drm stuff just for a killer instinct announcement . I just couldn't get passed the fact that if my Internet goes down for more then 24 hrs. I'm s.o.l, and that has happened to me even though I have great cable Internet..

It just sounds like a officially named rrod, call me anything you want I opulent care less ATM but I have experienced a lot of down time with a 360. My damn s model doen even work, the damn things can't read my games it can do everything else but play my games. I don't want to start the next gen ms console now KNOWING that if my Internet is down I can't play games just like the position I'm in right now with my broken 360, yes it's a different problem but its the same damn company...

My decision is based on what I don't like and my personal experiences with all 3 current consoles. So fo with that fanboy/ conspiracy bs.

And it's not my fault ms did a half ass reveal leaving so many questions open.. I knw ms has better marketing than the bs they are doing right now.
DarthJay  +   430d ago
Even now you still show your ignorance. Yes, you can play offline. If your internet is out, you tether to your cell phone and you get pinged and boom, problem solved. It can ping you without you ever knowing or ever actually going online.

THAT'S AWFUL!

I won't even bother with the rest of your hyperbole. It's comical.
buynit  +   430d ago
Darth...

Maybe ms should ping that message a long on bing.. Cause I sure as hell haven't heard about this ping...

Yes jay.. Don't bother...
the_bebop  +   430d ago
I live in Australia and I am getting tired of console developers forcing a digital distribution model down my throat saying we will be able to have a suitable Internet and hard drive space in 5 to 6 years time that is cheap, try 30 years maybe when hard drives sizes are 3TB for less then AU$200, and the internet runs at a steady 50mbps for AU$40.00 with a download monthly limit larger then 800gb. So for now I will be sticking with a company trying to force digital distribution down my throat.
buynit  +   430d ago
Who do you use for Internet? Yea that's a tough spot to be in, come on over to the u.s :)
the_bebop  +   430d ago
TPG my current plan is $60 unlimited download but the speed can be slow at times.
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KumquatGOATBEEF  +   430d ago
I don't get it... Sony has said there are no used game restrictions, Sony said the PS4 won't be required to be online... what facade do we need to be looking through?
dollison27  +   430d ago
I swear Sony is just better at system transitions. They support and will continue to support the PS3, unlike Microsoft who dropped the first Xbox like a hot potato, and is rapidly going to turn theXbox into a shovelware graveyard and with junk Kinect crap to close it out. Sony wins hands down, look at the gem we just got Last of Us...
TheEvilWithin  +   430d ago
Hmm starting to think Junk box 1 fans on here have multiple screen names. I'm now down to 3 bubble with most people agreeing with me? Cause THAT makes sense. I guess I should start finding EVERY Xbone fan on here, down bubbling them for fun cause you know THATS how it works... You don't like what I have to say DISAGREE AND MOVE ON.
Mikelarry  +   430d ago
how can something more power, cheaper and less restrictions be for the wrong reasons GTFOH
Godmars290  +   430d ago
Sony's doing nothing different than what they've done before. Are actually giving you your money's worth while offering incentives when wanting to go a certain direct, leaving old options in place, as opposed to MS's method of of demanding money, doing things a specific way, and only insisting its a good thing for you while giving no real reason.

If Sony is moving towards total DD, it will be with their next system or when 80% of the market is ready for it. Not 40% and less.
Gamer Muzz  +   430d ago
I think a lot of people are failing to read the actual article or comprehend the message.

Sure, the right reasons are there too, but he's stressing that the idea of Sony using these things to gain a "short term tactical advantage" over microsoft is not something that shows gamers that Sony actually CARES about them or is looking out for them. He's pointing out that Sony is just as interested in imposing strict DRM or a fully digitally distributed video game retail business model upon us in the future.
When he says "for the wrong reasons" he means that they're doing all these right things to make the PS4 better, so later on, once they gain a strong foothold, they too can hit us with the things we don't like.
ballisticvoodoo  +   430d ago
I suppose by your logic Sony's indie friendly stance is just marketing too. So once Sony gets a large ps4 install base they will start charging indie devs 10 grand for updates like MS does? Ya right. Sounds like MS fanboy wishful thinking.
Godmars290  +   430d ago
I've read the article, or at least the "no savior" section, and there is no actual example of Sony going "All Digital Distribution" with the PS4.

Sony offers options because they're aware there are other choices, competition, whereas MS tries to deny the existence of competition. Tells consumers there are no other choices and that they in effect own the market as well as them.

Its literally the case of a mutual and possessive relationship. Though Sony isn't wholly innocent of course. The Cell is proof of that.

But even there the target of their manipulation were developers, not consumers. Consumers, the PS bran's popularity with them at the time, was merely the leverage Sony tried to exploit to try and get game makers to adhere to making games on the Cell, in the hopes of making it harder to then transfer those games over to competing systems - and that plan obviously blew up in their face.

But with the PS4 they've obviously learned from that mistake.

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