As previously reported by The Inquisitr, the announcement of the Xbox One $499 price point after all the other Microsoft stumbles had some critics claiming Sony has already won the latest console war with the PlayStation 4.
There is basically nothing that's more appealing on the Xbox One than the Playstation 4 to justify it being more expensive than Playstation. The Playstation is literally better in basically every single way, hardware and price to policies . Pre-orders and internet polls proved that w/ perfection.
The kinect is what justify it being more expensive. It seems like you and alot of other people are forgetting how advance the kinect really is.
90% of Xbox fans don't even want Kinect and don't care how advanced Microsoft says it is.
I have a 360 with Kinect and even with the Forza 4 head tracking and all of the features it does, I still do not want it. I would rather MS take it OUT of the combo. Why can't they make a no kinect combo like the same with the 360? Oh wait I forgot... Kinect is MANDATORY. When you compare the hardware in the PS4 with the X1, the X1 should be at the same price. The PS4 is more powerful, and has more features than the X1.
@Maria and Gam3r You guys are core gamers so of course you're not going to like the kinect. Casuals on the other hand do. The features in kinect will be really amazing to casuals and it will get alot of those casuals to tell their friends to pick up the xbox 1. You guys need to stop thinking things from your core perspective and you need to start thinking things from a casual or business perspective.
-Mika- You need to understand that Microsoft have already rode the Kinect wave to it's natural conclusion. Kinect will NOT sell this console, they already sold a console with Kinect casuals don't work like that. What they will see is a console that is significantly cheaper, even if they buy the camera separately.
It's so advanced that the Xbox Head had to use a remote control in his pocket to show it off at E3.
The playstation camera is $59, so its still $499 versus $459...
Yep a real futuristic spying device. But people are interested in gaming, not being watched. I don't want to live in a real life version of The Truman Show.
You've forgotten - or ignored/forgiven - how unproven Kinect is. That two key titles which were suppose to prove it, Ryse and Crimson Dragon, now use physical controllers. Edit: "You guys are core gamers so of course you're not going to like the kinect. Casuals on the other hand do." As many times as I've been accused of speaking for others, like with FF13, its odd to hear someone speak for people who've yet to even try Kinect.
hhahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha hahaahahahahahahahahahahaha. omg. let me catch my breath.
Ah Kinect... Israeli spy technology at its finest. So I'm supposed to subsidize its development with my tax dollars, and still pay an extra $100 for something I don't want? I'll pass.
"It seems like you and alot of other people are forgetting how advance the kinect really is." It seems like you and lot of other people are overestimating how desirable the kinect really is.
The wii was really popular with casuals as well, how did that work out with the wii U?
The Kinect 2 is an upgraded version of the original. Who knows what developers might do now that this thing actually works the way it was intended. A lot of you are condemning things before even seeing it in action. Who knows what might come out of this device.
@Mika PirateThom said it best... The Kinect has been available w/ the 360 for a long time now, it's not making any great sells goals or doing anything wonderful. Not to mention that your thinking is backwards. Casuals don't purchase the sheer amount of games that hardcore gamers do, so the casual audience should not be the focus. Why is MS' business model to ditch their hardcore base they already have? The trade in focus is not the way for them to be successful. Mika, you are obviously in the casual column. So why pay $499 for a few Kinect games when you can get the wii U with far better games and a way better price? Since you're taking the stance of casual gamers, then you don't care about Halo, Gears of War or the other big titles. So why spend more for less with ridiculous amounts of restrictions? Your perspective makes no sense when playing the casual card, because it's not a casual price. Nintendo has the perfect business model and market for the casual realm, not to mention the nostalgic factor as well. So can you explain why a casual gamer would choose a pricier, more restrictive and anti-consumer system over a better option like the wii U?
It's so advanced yet its useless. There are something's gamers just don't need. Kinect is one of them. Power glove was another lol.
The new PSEye is very advanced too (did you see the PlayRoom demo @ E3?), and oh, it's not required. If you want it, great! If you don'g, great! Everybody wins. Sony, I love you.
Get ready for Kinect + http://www.cbsnews.com/8301...
I just don't want to wave my hands to go through menus or talk to my TV (it's easier to and more practical to use a controller or remote)and they haven't come up with anything that makes a game any better with kinect. It is an impractical device for gaming or watching TV period. I will not be forced to buy it. I did not buy it for my 360 and I will not buy an Xbox One partly because they made kinect a mandatory purchase.
@ mika the Kinect is not the only thing that cost so much on the xboxone the fact that they have so many in and outputs and dvr in the system is whats making it a higher price , its not the 8 gigs of gdrr3 ram that's 8 year old hardware. they do not just want casual gamers they want people who like tv stuff to be part of this too , casual gamers will look at xboxone like Kinect , already did that , even though they may not understand that its inproved over the 1st one , just like the wii to wii u casual gamers think its a hd wii , they don't understand that its different like hardcore gamers do . and that's where Nintendo went wrong on advertising it. I like my wii u looking forward to Nintendo 1st party games , but I will not buy into ms xboxone for many reasons. but I wont get into that.
I'm not forgetting how advanced it is. I just don't care about it, nor would I want to buy one for a console. So, from my point of view, I'm being asked to buy something I don't care anything about. @maniac I'm condemning it based on my general feelings of motion controls in general. It's not up to me to give it a chance. It's up to MS to prove to me that it is worth the money. Until then, it is a useless addon that adds nothing to my game experience. Now, I did notice that it wasn't featured in MS E3 conference. In fact I saw a smartglass more than anything, and that's disturbing because it means even Kinect may become useless if MS sees a new shiny device it can try to offload onto the public. Especially true now that they are forcing the Kinect onto the X1 in the first place. It won't stop at Kinect. What's next, "Better with Kinect...but super awesome with Smart Glass". Two technologies which are completely counter intuitive to each other.
well it's a combination of price, restrictions, and checking in with Micro$oft that has turned me off completely. I waited until e3 press conferences were over then I preordered my killzone/ps4 bundle. Forget Micro$oft.
What made Wii so popular with casuals wasn't just the motion tech. The biggest selling point was the launch price of $250 usd. Casuals don't want to pay for a 'games machine' that costs $300+ Now, if the One could use that Windows kernel to run MS Office so kids can do their homework, parents would snatch those Ones up cause at that point, it wouldn't just be a console, but a cheap computer.
yeah but no one wants kinect in the box
gamer what feature does the ps4 have that the xbox doesnt?
@Mika If Kinect was is the reason why not show it at E3? If XB1 is so freaking advanced with Kinect, why did they use HP desktop systems with GTX 700 cards instead of the real deal? This flip-flop defense you Microsoft die-hards keep using is getting ridiculous. Oh because E3 was for the hardcore. Oh the reveal was for the casual. DRM is built in, but it's up to the developers. I'm a hardcore gamer but HBO Go is so cool, but when the PS3 was touted as a multimedia device, that was lame, supposed to be a gaming console, duh. X1 is on par with PS4, but they were using HP desktops just to demo the controllers, so yeah. WTF?!
Its so advanced I have no choice but to let it watch me naked making love in my bedroom. I'm good.
loulou asks: "gamer what feature does the ps4 have that the xbox doesnt?" Oh, that's an easy one! An instant $100 rebate.
the kinect is a useless annoying dancing gimmick. and im an xbox vet.
yeah, but the fact that they are forcing you to own one is what some people dont like. You dont want to spend $100 for something you dont really care about ever using.
lol Kinect is just expensive to produce, it doesn't mean people actually want it or derive any value from it, so great it can track your head so you can wander the camera around aimlessly at the screen in a racing game... *crickets* PS4 is the least expensive top tier console ever to be released on day 1 (I say top tier, sorry Nintendo fanboys). I'm not surprised Msoft wants to make some money on the hardware, what I'm surprised at is how big a loss Sony is willing to take on hardware selling at just 399, that's going to be great for software profits but hardware losses will hopefully be minimal enough to stay afloat.
Casuals dont spend $600 on games... they buy games on the app store for 99 cents, kinect didn't move units this generation and it certainly wont next gen either. The casuals that DID buy the wii (at more than half the cost), now have a little white dust collector at the house, if you think for one second these people are going to shell out 499 for a console, 50 for live and 60 for a game (plus tax) you are out of your fucking mind.
haven't we roled reversed. I swear I feel like I'm in bizarro world.. now everyone is defending the xbox 1 price point, when not too long ago, people complained about the ps3 price...
@-Mika- I'l stick to my remote thanks, when I'm lying on the couch I don't want to have to move or shout to change channels, I let my fingers do that. Microsoft have created a solution to a problem that does not exist and should be forced on no one.
No matter how advanced kinect keeps getting, gamers will not use it
Kinect and TV functionality justifies the price whether you like it or not. If you don't,get a PS4. Don't try to stop us from enjoying the latest innovation.
It's really not innovation. The TV stuff only works in America. The Kinect, I didn't see ONE game at E3 that made me think the Kinect was awesome or even worthwhile. It has DRM, always online and no indie support or free to play games etc. True innovation I believe will be Gaikai with accessing the entire PS1/2 & 3 library of games on any device and PS4.
SUPER innovative. http://www.samsung.com/us/2...
"Don't try to stop us from enjoying..." God I wish you were here to say that 6 years ago.
You know that you'll likely be paying more for TV functionality, right? That to some its actually going to be a downgrade? @Bathyj: In regards to what?
Latest innovation? Kinect is a few years old. Buying an upgraded version is not the same as 'latest innovation' samsung already makes tvs you can talk to
Ps4 supporters are a joke. Hope they enjoy their 8gigs because that's all ot has. 8gigs with no games to showcase it. Funny how the weaker Xbox one, had better looking games than the "stronger" ps4
@ Godmars Ps3 of course. I didnt mind that Xbox fanboys thought 360 was better. I didnt mind if they wanted to shout it from the rooftops. It bothered me they were just trying to spread FUD about PS3 all the time and wanted it to die before it was even born. They didnt even want it to compete. This gen all anyone talked about was Ps3, either praising it or pummeling it. The irony now is, thats how I feel about Xbone. I been pretty vocal about it and I wish it would die to teach MS a lesson about how to treat its customers. The difference between me now, and Xbox fanboys circa 07 is that Im not like this because Im scared of competition or I think the other guy will sell abit more than my guy, I'm like this now because I have genuine concerns over where Xbone will take this industry and what it will do to the hobby that I love. God forbid this thing actually succeeds, or perish the thought, flourishes, and next gen all others have to follow suit. We've seen what happens when success occurs thats not necessarily aimed at gamers. MS chasing casuals because of the Wii and Sony charging for online because of Xbox Live. What happens if Xbox takes off and all consoles go always online and telling what you can do with every aspect of you gaming experience? I'll be in my 40's by then. Maybe it will be time to call it quits. The thing is but, I'd planed on gaming til I died.
kinect was cool when they first announced it then it didnt work as advertised the games were horrible an most people used it for other things outside of xbox the technology is great no one disputes that but also no one wants it an tthe fact there makin it madatory will jus make everyone want it less makes no sense forcin that thing on us jus so i can say xbox on instead of grabbin my controller what happens when it breaks from allways bein on 24 hrs a day then what ur screwed on playing games until u get a new one or its fixed no product has 100% failure rate so its jus one more thing to ruin ur experience i could go on for days about why its not wanted
90%??? What are you ,high?? You're just pulling shit out of your ass. No wonder you lost so many bubbles.
@ -Mika- At the current price point, no casual gamer is going to be interested, regardless of Kinect or not. One of the reason the Wii sold so well to casual gamers was its relatively low price point... which if memory serves was half of what the Xbox One will retail for
@ Mika I actually think that a year from now Microsoft will release a Kinektless X1 to lower the price.
A year from now might be to late
Trust me theres no way, the problem with the original kinect was that only a certain percentage of xbox owners had one, which meant developers would be spending time on sw that targeted a submarket. The eye toys faces the same dilemma. Ms realized that you either go all in, or dont go at all, and altho im not particularly fond of ms atm, it`s one of those things i wish sony would do as well.
lol indeed Do you feel gamers are being xboned by the Xbox One $499 price point? yes they're being shafted by microshaft they got shaft with DRM they got shaft with used games and now they're getting shaft in the pricing department how ppl cope with this microshatf shaft me once in 2000 with windows M-E my ass hurt i said never again
Except games. But thats just personal preference.
i wills ay xbox 1 games are looking better for sure but not many of us will know because we wont buy the damm console so its pointless
What MS said is true, you are getting a lot for your money hardware wise but consoles are different to other electronics. They are sold at bare minimum profit or loss and most of the profit is made through software. What MS fail to see is that the PS4 has the better hardware and sells for less, a lot less. So in a sense its not value because you will always be compared to you competitors, thats the benchmark. About the features its all subjective so I won't go into that on a personal view but if you think the features are better on the X1 then maybe you can justify the price tag.
It is a ridiculous price point when I can get a superior system for cheaper/
I love 360 controller...so the XB1 has that going for it, plus a few cool looking games. Xbox live has always been solid in terms of connection so they have that going for them too. They took 5 steps forward...which we need to recognize. It's just that those steps get lost in the 19 giant leaps backwards they took.
Points have been made to why the system is priced the way it is and you seem to attack others when they explain them. The system is priced that way because of Kinect whether you want it or not. Kinect is an integral part of the consoles structure and cannot be separated. It's not a peripheral. If PS4 added an EYE the system would sell for $459.99, so it's not really a money standpoint. Hardware means nothing at this point. The PS3 was also more powerful than the 360 and we see how that went. Stop looking at meanless stats and look at the overall console. The X1 is clearly a next gen console and the PS4 is more of the same. I preordered a PS4 because of exclusives, but I will not trash the X1 as if it's junk because its not. Voice Activation is the future whether you want to believe or not. Ask any elderly person why they dont have a smart phone and you will hear the same excuses that Sony fanboys are saying. They will say "I dont need this and I dont need that. I want a phone that I can talk on." Sony fans keep saying they want a choice and they want to just play games. Well consoles aren't about games any longer. If Sony was all about games, why does the PS Store have movies, shows, and Apps? Bottom line, you people dont want change and it's going to happen whether you like it or not just like they FORCED you to pay if you want online play
Neither console is worth the price tag, the "next gen hardware" is equal to a $50 PC cpu and a $100 GPU except the GDDR5 in the PS4 everything is very cheap compared to a mid-high end computer. But their is something bad about GDDR5 the reason they use ddr3 not gddr5 for PC is because it is horrible for everything that needs accuracy. Haswell-E is coming next year with octa core i7s + DDR4 ram and the GPUs at the end of 2014 will have 4000 cores 22nm, start saving your $ now and skip the consoles a PC witht hose specs will run you $2000 and play everything maxed for this entire gen.
Build me a PC with PS4 specs that runs at 1080p, 60fps for the same price.
Please give me the specs of a PC that costs $400 and can run Planetside 2 on maximum/ultra settings. Or that can run BF4 60 fps 1080 p. At medium-high settings.
okay make me a computer that is going run those games for the same price as a PS4. I make computers for a living, but go ahead make me a computer as powerful as a ps4 for 399. Make sure you include a Bluray drive, usb 3.0/ N wifi/ 500gig hdd don't forget to include hdmi and then a controller to do my gaming on.
Don't forget the proprietary OS lol
As Somone who has no experience in PC gaming cost of console versus PC doesn't mean shit to me. Plus you can't get Playstation exclusives on PC.
Or play with friends and family in your living room.
"Plus you can't get Playstation exclusives on PC." Its X86 it will be emulated in 2-3 years, so will the xbox one and Gaikai is supported on Pc/tablets so PS3 games will work. "Or play with friends and family in your living room." Yes you can, most games even have splitscreen mods to enable it and a lot of newer ones already have it enabled and all emulators support 4 players. Or if you wanted to be fancy you could run 2 copies of the game if you had a half decent PC. Know your beloved wii? Dolphin can run every wii game at better settings than the console at native 1080p and supports every wii accessory and you could go set it up in your lviing game, same for the N64, gamecube, ps2, ps1, original xbox and all classic system like the sega and dreamcast.
sorry but you have sincerely failed sweetheart,
Yea its pretty much impossible to spend $399 building a pc that will run games like the PS4, even if you got every part on sale on newegg or something it will still be more expensive.
If your comment even gets 1 agree it will be a miracle. Because those are some of the most blasphemous statements I have ever read.
The comparison doesn't work that way, not sure why PC people still don't get that after so many years. First they use APUs, meaning you get a lot more power out of it compared to having separate chips somewhere on the motherboard. Second of all build me a PC that has the same specs as the PS3 that runs anything close to The Last of Us. Great to have 8 core CPUs on PC, but they are useless for games because PC games are not optimized for that. I have a quad core and no matter what game I play the CPU isn't fully used with most of the cores running somewhere in the region of 50%. Whats the point of having a 8 core CPU and SLI if the power isn't properly used? Console games will use the full power of the hardware and therefore beat any PC that you build with the same specs.