Microsoft said recently that despite Sony's PS4 having a strong showing at E3 that they don't plan to 'change anything' with the Xbox One because of it.
If neither Sony nor the complaints wont change MS's mind, then its going to be up to sales past launch. Likely going to be too late by then. If they're wrong anyway.
Even if the X1 sales performance turns out poorly, even then MS won't change the policies in place. More than likely they would say "Once the X1 is available in more countries the unit sales will increase." Or they will blame it on something else. Microsoft won't blame the restrictions or requirement, just look at their response to the backlash and media.
Unil all your friends get a ps4 @ jokes.
This is the x1 www.comcast.com/mx1/?SCRedire ct=true
Oh man Jokes, you so silly.
@ jokes- I'm seriously getting dizzy with all your spin.
JokesOnYou, ive been sharing PS3 games with my friends for as long as its been around. that's not a new concept... at all
Post-2006, Sony was very willing and very eager to change the policies for the PS3 in an attempt to match the 360 and to please its fans. Microsoft is pure arrogance if they are unwilling to adjust.
@JokesOnYou it sounds like your trying to convince yourself not others you used to make good points but now your just turning into another Greenpowrz
Why do people get crucified for liking the xbone? No matter which console you get there will be pros and cons. The xbone can cause problems for some but I dont think it will affect as many people as the media and n4g community let on. Personally none of these problems really effect me in my everyday life. Which is why im getting an xbone instead of ps4. That and I just cant deal with a dualshock controller. Let the hate begin!!
@JOY You could of saved some time by just saying "F&<k my rights!"
NICE ! better for Sony lol
Actually, what they will probably do if the sales are poor is to kill the Xbone, if the sales don't pick up for any length of time.
"I like xbox live vs psn because of the friends I've built" ...wouldn't new systems imply a resetting of who has what brand of console (unless they eat up whatever one brand gives them)? "Most of all I like the X1 games and what micro is trying to do vs ps4= go digital" Xbox fanboys sure have been trying to convince themselves that Microsoft is "going digital". That delusion has been going on ever since Ps3 had Blu-ray. If Xbox One is "going digital", then why do they still have hard copies (and will likely sell more physical than digital again with games offering both, like this gen, with absolutely nothing suggesting otherwise)? It's funny, I saw posts from you where you took a step back and basically said "wow, Microsoft is being ridiculous" and now you're right back to your trolling and convincing yourself. I thought I had underestimated you, but obviously I only underestimated your capacity for delusion.
The thing that I find most insulting is that M$ is basically saying that all consumers are criminals that need to be checked on every 24 hours. I see no reason to pay some company to treat me like I'm under house arrest. @CerebralAssassin, to answer your question, when a gamer knowingly supports something that encourages loss of our rights as a consumer and a gamer, they're really no better than a scab and that gets people angry. They have the freedom to do so, but don't expect to get patted on the back for it. M$ are not the police and they have no business acting like it. I'm going to exercise my consumer rights by saying no to their degrading product.
@Jokes, Sony has been going digital for years. Full PS3 games have been on PSN for a while now. PSN games are plentiful. Imposing DRM does not equal "going digital". That's just Microsoft's bullshit spin they've put on their terrible policies.
JokesOnYou I can understand that some of u like u & greenpowerz will choose xbox one over anything & thats your choice, but how do u know every friend u made friends with on xbl will feel the same? My older brother is a die hard xbox fan too but i told him everything he didnt know & he has made up his mind to buy a ps4 but is hoping that because of bad sales the xbox one will have & trust me it will be bad, that microsoft has a change of heart & dismisses the restrictions. I am fed up with them & wont be buying one & hope it fails miserably just so microsoft understands not to f**k with consumers because we can easily turn around & do the same to them. Might not hurt them but trust me, it will make them rethink about ever trying to force restrictions on us ever again.
Joke said instead of a getting a high powered, less expensive, unrestricted platform dedicated first to games and the game community...he'd rather have an extremely priced, low performance cable box with endless restrictions and a big FU to the gamers. Can we mark this as trolling now? If you wanted something unique that'd make sense but X1's differences are like comparing living in a villa on the French Riviera vs living in an apartment in North Korea just because you're friends support a prison minded dictatorship with their console. Can't wait to see how many Xboxers realize what MS is doing and come back home to PS. You can see it in the media fan boys how hard they are justifying the X1 but at tyr end of the day you all know deep down inside that MS is 150% doing the wrong thing.
To share games on the ps3 you have to install your profile on another console and you can only do that once. The X1 allows up to ten shares which you enabke from your friends list (you don't have to put your account on their console) so I will defend that one issue as its genuinely an exciting feature potentially. Its increasingly harder to defend the other things though. Sony are really offering a more viable alternative at a cheaper price. Its difficult to argue with the facts
@joke I may be wrong but on ps4 you can get a friend to take over your game instantly over psn so yea you can share games with friends over the net....sorta I also like the look of x1 games.even the tv functionality but in my opinion the cons soooo outweigh the pros that it's just not cost effective to get one. Id be poring mony down the pan. Also im not one of those people who like a bookcase full of old games I never play so not being able to trade or give games away easily is a massive no no for me
@DOmination You can have your account on more than two consoles. It just can't be activated to play games on more than two consoles any longer. It's simple to get a friend to deactivate your account on his PS3 if you want another friend to activate an account and play a game with you. As long as you have friends you can trust.
@JokesOnYou - The PS4 will have a low power state for being always updating and has an app that will work identical to smartglass plus vita for 2nd screen activities. PS4 will be download game updates, DLC store purchases, and full retail games in the background while your playing a game, I haven't heard that XB1 can do this. I wish microsoft good luck (sarcasm) because xb1 willstruggle to outsell the gamecube.
@DOM If i want to share games with my friends i just hand them the disc!
well, i have an xbox one on pre-order also. because of the controller and live, like this gen, it will be my main console. ps4 like the ps3 this gen will be just for the exclusives. disagree away. on topic, if m$ dont change things in the next 5 months, then they will be slaughtered over the holidays.... surely just looking at the pre-orders they must know this
Good MS, keep digging that grave deeper! Clearly you are out of touch with what people actually want.
They never listen.
jokes on you, so your saying that all your friends on xbox360 are getting an Xbox one.Over the ps4, its a new gen. Then always on doesn't mean always updating, the ps3 does auto updates now. Every device should be the same way by now not sure if the 360 does that. But the PS4 does its a learning system. which means it updates all the time. Kinect being forced is not good thing. its just a gimmick to the system. what if the ps4 has kinect abilities, doesn't that make the system less attractive. Also just so you know MS did the same thing with exclusives with the 360 and we see how that turned out.
JokesOnYou got marked again for trolling? Am I missing something here? All he is doing is explaining why he likes the Xbox 1. Has this site really dissolved into this?
Microsoft: "We're going down with the ship, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it"
@Maniac Oh please. All JOY does is troll. "X1 always on= always updating" Come on now...
How ridiculous. I'm a PC gamer that Is only buying a PS4 and VASTLY prefer the PS4 over the Xbox One, but the fact that JokesOnYou guy got marked for trolling just goes to show how pathetic this site has become. He wasn't trolling at all. He has a right to his preference just the same as any of you. Sony is awesome in gaming and the Ps3 and PS4 are outstanding consoles, but their fan base stinks.
"I like X1 always on= always updating" My PS3 does this....it's called PS+
starchild think she came from the stars.
Of course they won't change because this happened. http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://25.media.tumblr.com/...
bahahah Can i just say i never seen that youtube link before but i lost my shit.
Can we report jokesonyou for SPAM? This is getting ridiculous
Microsoft is down, call an ambulance. Wii u wii u wii u. Lol Sony killed sega and Microsoft is next.
I love how they are trying so hard to use misdirection as their weapon of choice to try and draw us off all the crap they are trying. "We’re very happy,… did you see the games on stage during our briefing? Did you see the exclusives?" Its like, No... dont look over there at all the control and power we are trying to abuse... Look over here at the games and exclusives we bought. Stop looking over there.. look right here... hey .. look look .. games. Its pathetic, and I wont support them. Greatness awaits and U R NOT (red)E
Ummmmmmm, that's not misdirection......that's called shifting the focus. The backlash is because we know their policies....in your scenario, they are simply shifting the attention to games. But here is the reality....Microsoft has not said much, it's the constant barrage from media that has you thinking misdirection.
@Sitdown: Shifting the focus= misdirection. No, really.
xbox is hoping successes on the the shamily plan!
and thi is y sony is on fire. http://www.amazon.com/best-...
Not really. It's pretty well established that Playstation owners are far more fanatical which greatly contributes to the high pre-order PS4 sales and how it's not uncommon on release day for playstation fanboys to lose all sense of rational thought to spend $1500 for one of the first released consoles or one needs to look no further than this thread and some of the fanboy-love going on.
I don't want anything to change their mind. I want Microsoft to be stubborn. I want a generation of two different arguments represented in consoles. And I hope everyone sees how the argument will turn out. In other words --- this is great stuff! 12
Truest thing said on this topic. PLEASE, allow MS to remain stubborn so that this "idea" of restricting games gets put off for as long as possible. We've seen the "votes" on the forums, but when it's time for wallets to come out...that's when the argument will truly be settled.
yes they will, just dont buy an xboxOne.... gamers just need to hold out. this will send a clear a55 message to them!
If XB1 sales come in under expectation and MS is made aware its because of theur restrictiins it will put others, namely Sony and Nintendo off doing similar in the future. Let them stick to their policies. I know there are people who want to buy an XB1 but I would urge you all...wait. Delay a year or so, you dont have to buy a PS4 as an alternative if you dont want, but by sacrificing your time to make a stance you can be sure MS gets the message that their consumers are more important and powerful than they seem to realise. For the record I love the PS4, but paying for plus to play online goes against my values, so I will buy a PS4 at launch but I wont be renewing my Plus membership, as my way of taking a stance, so I do know how hard it is to make sacrifices to make a statement.
sorry Godmars, I accidentally hit disagree. I fully agree with you on this one.
I hate that! I do that all the time. Why can't we change our vote? and add the ability to infinitely reply, but collapse the 3rd tier of replies by default.
jokes is a member of the chinese 50cents army 1 positive post = 50cents
One thing has changed for sure I pre ordered a ps4 not the Xbox One... Sony changed my mind!
Microsoft's entire business model is flawed, the one is a flawed product, in my opinion at least. Sony and Nintendo in my eyes are the best options this generation, I can't wait for Sony to announce the rest of the exclusives, it can only get better for PS4 gamers, there is no way we can make xbox one blind fans understand that any company that does what Microsoft is doing does not deserve our gamer loyalty. I will pay for the console that respects my rights and provides the best gaming experience. PS4 and Wii U.
Games are bait, and it works...
It is not in Microoft's culture to change these restrictions. They are a company that does business like a juggernaut. They go into a new business sector and use money to bully companies and people around. They did this to Apple and Lotus in the early days of windows. They did this to Netscape during the early days of intenet browers. Now they are muscling the gaming industry. It is up to us consumer to say no with our wallets and get them the hell out of this industry. Lets make the Xbox One a failure like Zune.
The response to the question sounded very arrogant to me.
after a few of these guys get fired for Footinmouth syndrome I'm thinking things will change a bit... but not because of Sony... because of consumers
JOY wouldn't know anything about sony's share game system or the fact that the psn store does have digital downloads available already as well.. clearly he does not own a ps3.
Then burn. :)
I wish for the good of the industry and consumers and Xbox fans that Microsoft would drop the disgraceful restrictions. But, hey at least now everyone can see (without any shadow of a doubt that might have existed) how controlling, greedy, anti-consumer, slimy, money-grubbing and downright disgusting Microsoft are as company. I mean, as if it wasn't already obvious enough. I always knew it was a bad idea to support them. If you think about it, it was at least the contribution of those who paid for Xbox Live for all these years (the P2P connectivity and the free apps) that set he wheels in motion here. Glad I wasn't a part of the testing grounds.
We’re also confident that gamers are going to love our vision of the future and what we’re going to offer for gaming Is Major Nelson still sleeping or is he just ignorant. Gamer's love the vision of the future? What the hell. I dont think he was using internet this week. Pretty much everybody is bashing X1 for what they doing to it and he still says we gonna love it? I just don't know what to say anymore. Just somebody give me date and place of X1 funeral.
"Pretty much everybody is bashing X1 for what they doing to it and he still says we gonna love it?" Well, what is he going to say? That we're going to hate it? Never get into sales/marketing. Major Nelson isn't an idiot. He knows Sony stomped MS at E3. What he means is that the One will do well regardless since mainstream consumers won't know about the restrictions until they actually hook it up. And even then, most of them won't care. The One will be successful. Will the PS4 do better worldwide? Yes. But the One will still sell.
So you are saying they are banking the success of their console on the ignorance of consumers. Yuup I have heard it all
Most of those people either aren't going to have internet or the proper cable box. They wont be able to do anything with the system, then not be happy about it if they find out how to fix it. Then again MS could just offer package deals through cable/internet providers, but if they don't things will only get ugly for them.
He doesn't have to say that anyone is going to hate it, what he should do is not comment on it at all. He just makes himself look foolish by trying to make the claim that anyone but publishers are going to love what X1 is doing.
@Mikelarry- Yes @DragonKnight- A PR spokesperson that DOESN'T promote? LMAO @Godmars290- If these people don't have Internet in their homes, then obviously the chances of them knowing about all these restrictions are slim. If they aren't happy with it, thats their problem. If your making a $500 investment, you should know what your getting into.
@ Logic problem w/ that philosophy is that main stream consumers follow the bandwagon of the hardcore consumers. If the hardcore consumers go 1 way then the mainstream will ultimately follow because they just want to fit in and not care about anything else. If all your friends who adopt a next-gen console early get a ps4 what you going to buy a ps4 to play with them. MS is going to lose out of early adoption they had this gen with their year start and them shooting themselves in the foot with these bad policies and a $100 dollar higher price tag keeps putting more nails in the coffin.
@LOGICWINS: God your name is so ironic it's painful. A PR person can choose what aspects they wish to promote. There is that term so many have used in the industry "we don't comment on..." and leave it at that. Please, try to actually use logic.
@LOGICWINS: Thing is pretty sure people bought the PS3 when it first came out at $600 with no clue that it was also a BR player. People do not know better.
@LOGICWINS - I completely agree with you. MS has all but said that they are banking on the ignorance of the mainstream consumer. And obviously Major Nalson is going to say good stuff - it's his damn job. Sony will certainly sell more consoles than Microsoft, but I can guarantee you Microsoft will make more money. Sony knows how to make something incredible, Microsoft knows how to make money. Prepare to get milked to sh*t, Xbox fans
@thehitman: You are forgetting one thing. There are those that consider Gamerpoints life achievements. The same guys that normally perform "boosting" in MP games and buy every single gun camo and stream every single crappy game on YouTube. They will stick with the Xbox just to keep that false sense of achievement. Microsoft is banking on these guys, above all else. That said, I weep for the future of gaming