The Xbox One may eventually work disconnected from the internet for more than 24 hours.
If they're going to make it playable offline, it has to be fully playable offline. Still can't believe that they thought that was a good idea.
I wouldn't get my hopes up -Before E3 Major Larry: We're looking into players feedback -E3 The Xbox needs to be connected at least once 24hr, used games restriction and you can only loan your games once. Major Larry: Xbox is the future *avoids all the questions that involves drm, restrictions and requirements* *Gives generic PR answer to any hard question*
You watched the AngryJoe video didn't you? I hated how any time the word DRM was brought up, Larry went into immediate salesman mode and said "you're not looking at the benefits." DRM =/= Benefits.
They keep saying DRM and benefits I ask what benefits does DRM have. It does not help me enjoy the game any better just an inconvenience to hinder my experience just cause in the future ms will like a piece of that used fee pie. You know they gonna do it you will be naive to believe ms gives anything for free
Nah, DRM=benefits...to MS and game publishers that is.
with this statement: http://n4g.com/news/1283247...
I should think that the pre-order tally is already begining to tel m$ what is going to happen if things dont change. they have less than 5 months to change certain elements. if they dont, then i cant see them selling more than 30-35 mil consoles next gen. stop the online checks, allow installs but make people keep the disc in the tray and going back to passes will give the xbox one a massive boost. ofcourse keep on-line only games, or games that are going to use the cloud. but just advertise the fact. the higher price tag although not great i can/will live with. but other people wont when put together with everything else above that i mentioned
It don't even benefit publishers. One of the top arguments against DRM is that publishers and so on spend millions on developing/expanding this DRM only to be hacked by some 15 year old russian kid.
pfft...like playing offline is something new!
Okay, they're looking into it. I bet soon they'd reveal that they're extending the check-in to 48 hours or 7 days. /lol
The Xbox One will not be able to play offline. It simply won't. - the system is designed to play from the hard-drive after installing/downloading - your library is designed to be shared with people in your "Family" - the 24-hour check is to see if you traded the game disc (because you installed it to the HDD) There are too many factors involved. In order to play offline, Microsoft would have to: - change the system architecture to allow you to play straight from the disc (believe it or not, this isn't a simply line of code) - forbid you from playing your game installs unless you are online - forbid you from sharing your Library Folks, the Xbox One is going to be how it is now. It may change a few months after launch, but it will never lose the 24-hour check-in.
^^^ ever heard of firmware update?
I don't think they will and even if they do I already chose PS4! Sony first party games have no equal and third party will look better on it. On top of all this it's cheaper. they did say that they built the machine for that so do you really expect them to change everything a few months before release? They also Said that they have expected this type of reaction from gamers and the media so do you still think their arrogance will stop suddenly? Greatness awaits 4>1
dedicatedtogamers i honestly dont think that you know what you are talking about. it seems to me that you are hoping more than anything. as no more trolling beat me to saying... a firmware update could resolve a multitude of issues.
They have actually been looking to do this for awhile now....FOR THE MILILTARY. And a few countries that have very little internet. That does not help most of the people that are right now on the internet complaining, now does it. Looking at this article they seem to be trying to confuse people into thinking it will allow 10 people to play the same game at once. No from the start you have to install a game and get online. If once you get online they find out it is on other machines. They will deactivate it from all but one of them. Don't be fooled again by this play on words. When you read that article remember the person being quoted is REDDIT then the second quote is Major Nelson. It is a sneaky way of presenting a questionnaire because most people are used to one side doing the quoting, and the other side doing the answering. the ONLY THING major nelson actually said was: "I’d have to check w/ the engineers, but I don’t see why that would not be possible." Which was actually nothing because everyone knows it is "possible"! the real question is are the big wigs willing!!!
@DragonKnight that interview is pretty fucking amazing, I really recommend everyone to see it to know more about how MS is managing all this DRM thing.
This is good. The noise must be getting to an unbearable level.. You can't ignore a crying baby for too long. Well done to those who made noise in the right places. Even if ms only make a couple u turns it will be a great milestone for us consumers. It'll probably be written into business study textbooks.... Despite my pre ejaculation, I'm not sure how they can do this whilst always having to install games to the hdd. What are the workarounds?
Week-month long period before checking?
simple... by putting it on the users shoulders instead of shouldering it themselves... they could used a pass... only the pass in a one time code... to sell a game you would have to then select some option to get your key back and then give it to a friend or sell it. That or they could go with a authentication check were you only need to be online ONCE and then if you wanted to sell/loan/trade your game you would have to go back online to do that.
I totally agree.
lol how do u look into it??? Just stop the bullsh!t!!! and it's over.
Because according to Microsoft, they don't know their own policies. Like when they announced 24 hour checks and played dumb for ~month.
This is just an attemp by a clever redditor to pit this guy against his own lies, they're not going to change anything because with an offline mode and no disc required to run games from HDD a single disc could be installed on hundreds of consoles and be playable from all of them at the same time. Their standard line for the last few days has been that the 24hs check is so you can share your game library with your family, but that's just a lie, the check is to remove games from your Hard drive which show as sold on their data base, or hold all your games hostage until they can tell which ones you still own. So this is just is logical question that he can't answer truthfully because an honest answer would conflict with the talking points he was given.
Exactly. Because, whether its a 24 hr check or a 120 hr check, its still a mandatory check.
I've been connected to the internet for 18 years I even had Comcast broadband and Dsl at the same damn time one time lol.
"I've been connected to the internet for 18 years I even had Comcast broadband and Dsl at the same damn time one time lol." This mentality floors me, it really does. So you mean to tell the world that in 18 years, your internet has never gone down? Ever? Not once? You're lying to yourself and everyone on here.
It's gotta be the koolaid :)
"the shamily plan" helps!!! lol...
you don't see that as a benefit?
This is not them looking into changing anything lol... Someone askd a question and the PR guy didnt want to answer point blank!
MS made the mistake of misjudging the consumers desire, demand, right, or whatever to turn sh*t off when they damn well please.
I say good luck, but the damage is done. Running an Xbox in offline mode is something that should have been implemented in the beginning, I say go for it if it means getting XBox off the ground, I highly doubt this will happen, either way Sony is hitting the bank big time with the PS4. I plan to keep posted on this in the next few months, I highly doubt the validity of this claim though. "Getting in touch with the engineers," is like saying "you're right, it's bullshit our bad . . . we need to fix this and this seems to be our loophole, so we don't look like complete f**king idiots here." I am in no way supporting XBox, PS4 had me at "hello." Or had me at "$399." :)
Oh god. They possibly change it and your STILL bitching. No use talking to you.
if people truly want microsoft to pay attention then go comment on places like www.xboxshun.com etc. my main concern is the online check in, i know plenty of people that dont have the internet, the DRM is also a huge concern, lucky i tend to not lend or buy second hand games, but i often rent a game before i decide to buy it. but as a gamer i still see huge potential in both new consoles, only time will tell but MS has a matter of months to put this right, if not sales will take a hit, but no matter what the sales are im still getting both, im a gamer...i love tech, i hate fanboys.
I agree with what your saying. To me nothing Microsoft have said about the Xbox one has me worded about getting the console. I have my 360 Wiiu ps3 and home server connected to the internet 24/7 and my internet has never been down for more than 24 hours. I also never give my game to other people as the game I play tend to be games other people have to for mp and this is one thing that has changed alto this gen in terms of most people are buying the same games to play each other on. But that said there will be people around the world who don't want there console on line or don't have the internet but that said I don't see people like this looking to buy a Xbox or Ps to. I also think looking at how many xboxs have been sold and how many people have gold shows most people who buy a Xbox also have the internet. I do see Ms looking to change things a little though as there are some people who will not want to get a one because of these reasons but that said most people on here seem to be fan boys who want to rip into Microsoft when ever they can. For years now they have said they will always pick Sony because they don't charge for playing online but now Sony have said this they have gone quiet over it. If anything the games industry is very fickle in terms of how its run and what happens. If you look back to when the Wii 360 and ps3 came out people were up in arms about the ps3 price, having to install games and long load times and a very poor psn service. Fast forward to now and Sony have improved things but so have Nintendo and also Microsoft. I think things will change over the gen and just because people are not liking what a device is like now dose not mean they won't like it in 12 months time when changes are made ect. For me Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft all have very good consoles to support all offer different ways to play games and are all looking to go in there own direction which to me is better for gamers then having 3 consoles all offering the Same games the same ways to play and the same services.
The whole reason for the online checks (once per 24 hours automatically at night) is for the family sharing. It allows you and ten family/friends to share your library. It needs the check to be able and keep this updated because due to licencing issues they cant have all ten people playing the same copy of the game. I know it is cumbersome for some. But for a majority of people, this will not effect them. The Xbone will auto-update during the night. And then they can play offline that day if they like. If the family share plan does some really cool things, it may turn out to be worth it. Right now, it has potential but we will have to wait and see
Too be slightly fair to MS most of the next gen games at E3 shown would require an internet connection to get the most out of them on both systems and making everyone be always on is the only way you could get the whole cloud computing thing to ever work. I'm still getting a PS4 instead though just purely based on the gpu rumours/leaks/dev comments.
I BET if they would make it playable offline, fanboys would find another thing to pick on, not looking at the good stuff at all (hello family game sharing!)
Well they are complete morons for even thinking of it. I think a bunch of 8th graders could of planned the Xbox One better, and they wouldn't of given it that crappy name either. But if you look on Amazon you have PS4 packages garnering the 1,3,5,6,8th positions. True Xbox One has #2, but that's ALL of it combined. But people have pointed that out so I wanted to give you some other thoughts. If the xbox one is selling so good.... Then why is the PS4 camera sold more than the top rated Xbox One game. That's right, more PS4 cameras then Forza 5. Sony hasn't even talked about the PS4 camera really. PS4 has four games in the top 20. Xbox One has 0. Their best, again, is Forza at #22. The funny thing is if you look on the right, the most 'wished for' thing is the Xbox One and 3rd most wished for is the PS4. Because obviously these were wishes from before the knowledge of what MS was trying to pull on its customers. Now that people know the downsides (drm, spying, etc). Know it's $100 more and yet the PS4 is also has 50-125 percent more raw power those wishes are not translating into sales. Forza 5 is #22 Battlefield 4 is #28 Dead Rising is #31 Call of Duty is #33 Ryse is #36 Destiny on xbox is #47 Watch Dogs on xbox is #69 Kinect Sports: Rivals is #77 Titanfall on xbox is #99 Madden on xbox is not listed in top 100 On PS4 Watch Dogs is #11 (58 spots higher) Battlefield 4 is #14 (14 spots higher) Killzone Shadow Fall is #17 Desinty is #18 (29 spots higher) Infamous Second Son #26 Call of Duty is #32 (1 spot higher) Final Fantasy XV #41 Kingdom Hearts III #42 Knack is #56 The Order: 1886 is #63 Madden 25 #81 Fifa 14 #92 So as you can see here the PS4 games are selling much stronger. Games like Watchdogs, Destiny, and Battlefield 4 are selling much more on PS4. PSN network cards are #7 and #12 compared to #15 and #16 for Xbox live. Dual Shock 4 controllers is #9 Xbox one controller is #23 So in other words, at least for Amazon, PS4 is absolutely tearing a new asshole on the xbox one.
Who give a fuck about u Sony fan boy and amazon not only amazon selling games and hardware amazom it's not even accurate so F off and sit on ur fat ass and play your ps3 games
I agree. I find it unbelievable how Microsoft could commit so many errors with the Xbox One. They where in a great position with the X360 and completely fu**ed up their next gen console. Who the hell in Microsoft thought the X1 with it's restrictions was a brilliant idea ? Microsoft has some serious thinking to do and i don't think there's time to radically change (improve) the X1 before release. EDIT: First thing to do is change that stupid name... then remove those restrictions.
I just dont understand why you cant just pop the disc back in the system once the 24 hr period hits. The whole idea of installing the entire game onto cloud is great. Verification on you having a legit copy makes perfect sense. But if you miss the verification time table you should be able to prove you own that game by having a physical disc in your possession and should be able to put the disc in to verify authenticity. I dont knkw if its just me but this seems like the common sense answer to play games offline.
Don't count on it.These decisions were made years ago by higher ups then the xbox team.Redmond HQ gave the O.K and now we just have to #Dealwithit
Or just buy a PS4 and dodge the entire failure of DRM and online always all together while getting an already superior console.
The only problem with your statement is it's not "always on line". Its check in once every 24 hours either by internet or mobile hotpot on your phone. I dont agree with it either way, but just wanted to correct your statement.
@ Software_Lover There might be a distinct difference, but to the gamer and the consumer who this affects, it might as well be the same thing. It's basically saying that if you don't connect at least once every day for the rest of the Xbox One's lifecycle, you cannot play. To the people it concerns, the difference is non-existent because the concerns are identical.
People forget that you can use the hot spot on your sell phone so basically you can play xbox 1 anywhere!!!
@koolaid251 you going to pay $15 a month just so you can do that?
lol...always online is a killer for games. Look at Diablo 3. I know that game isn't that good, but one of the main reasons I think it didn't do well is because it's always online, no matter what, you cannot play it offline. I remember the days of playing D2 offline on a laptop while I was somewhere with no internet connection...good times. Now Xbox One says I can't do this. I am just really glad PS4 isn't going in the same direction! I am a life long Xbox fan who is probably going to buy a PS4 this time.
an online requirement has nothing to do with the reasons people dont like Diablo 3, lol.
Partially. A better example is sim city. Although its because they forced the game to work with always online, and the game play is sucky now.
Yeah Sim City is a better example you're right. But I still stick to my Diablo 3 comment, because many gamers were REALLY pissed when they paid 60 bucks for a game they couldn't even play because of online issues. This wouldn't have happened if the game had an offline single player mode. The point I'm trying to make is, I am sure a lot of gamers would prefer to have an option to play games offline if they wanted, and would be less likely to purchase a game or console that required for you to be online, or have to connect to the intrnet, just to play.
Oops, what I had to say had already been said so...carry on.
I agree, Diablo 3 is not very good, but saying Diablo 3 didn't do well ? Are you referring to sales ? That game sold millions and millions of copies. More then 10 million the last i heard.
Wait, so that guy I just sent my digital game to, would have it revoked when I decide to go in to offline mode. It doesn't make sense. What stops me authenticating, sending a copy and then going offline to get the other benefits.
They got the word they f###'d up. haha
Hey microsoft: its too late
look like you're a negative person, it's NEVER too late
The damage is already done, even if they drop kinect requirements, DRM, online requirements, used game policies and drop the price to $400 the PS4 still has a better feature set and better hardware.
Its never too late but it'd be extremely difficult to do so before the launch, its drm are implemented on the software side and hardware side. The only fix would be a redesign and that would delay its launch window for god knows how long not to mention thats not what they want. M$ clearly has a plan and vision of what they want and how they will go about it whether anyone likes it or not. I wouldn't bet on it and if they say they can't fix its problems before the release date or delay launch its as good as permanent.
How does the ps4 have better features? I didn't see anything exciting I like Killzone but Call of Duty will kill that game and pretty much every other fps and Bf4 is the best looking game and it's Multi-platform
I doubt it... the hardest thing for any company is to admit they were wrong.