Opinion piece on why we shouldn't write off the Xbox One too soon.
Oh boy this is gonna start some mess. Didn't know that about the Sony's licensing agreement. Edit* By didn't know, I mean how its similar to others which I guess should be expected. By now though people have made up their minds on what their getting.
This article is a joke right. Someone tell me it's a joke, someone trying to justify xboxones bad features and trying to make it match Sonya's somehow. Really. What a joke, just sad.
Doesn't matter. Still everybody knows it already. DRM is crap. Only rich folks that want attention from the government will buy the XBone.
Stop trying and give it a rest . @Fox. I also remember when the M$ fanboys where crying atleast the 360 is cheaper because M$ didn't force us with Blu ray and WIFI . Well now how does it feel to pay 100$ more because M$ froces you with a spy cam .
@blackbelt I remember when the ps3 was just out, sony fanboys where calling xbox fans poor, because they bought the cheaper console. Now all of a sudden you people insult xbox fans for being rich?
Xbox forum poll http://forums.xbox.com/xbox... Even the forum fanbase have revolted.
I can't believe some people are defending this joke of a company MS
Wow.....don't know when it happened, but apparently I am now rich and want attention from the government. Funny how that happened.... I was just trying to play the next Halo, but now financially I am set for life. Anybody else want to join me on my yacht?
"Destiny requires a constant connection too" Gee, I dunno, what part of MMO did I miss out? "You don't own your games because the terms and conditions prohibit selling games on PS3" And that's why the Playstation man walked on stage and said "You will be able to sell used games". You know what f*** it. I'm done with this ******* "leetgamers blog". Please get this **** off this site.
I love these list items. Makes it a much more organized deconstruction of the fallacies present in the article. 1. Xbox One DOES let you trade games in. Well, I was going to say something about this but I don't have to since the article already mentioned the huge problem with it. "You can still buy, sell and trade second-hand boxed games as usual, but it’ll be up to publishers." And "Trade-ins can only be made at ‘participating retailers’." 'nuff said. 2. PS4 may require an online connection too "We’re not saying that Xbox One requiring users to have access to the internet once every 24 hours is a good thing, but we are asking – is it really that bad?" Yes, it is a bad thing. There is no good in a feature that bricks your ability to play games if you miss a check in. That's ridiculous. "When Sony said during its E3 2013 conference that the PS4 wouldn’t require at least one online check-in every 24 hours, or a constant internet connection, it meant so for its first-party games and the console itself." No it didn't. It meant that the hardware wasn't designed to force a connection. The Xbox One's check in feature is built into the hardware. "Third-party publishers are free to come up with their own Digital Rights Management (DRM) for PS4." They can do that already on the PS3. Where are those check-ins again? "So the PS4 system doesn’t require the internet to work, but certain games will." Proof? "Do you think you own your PS3 games? Will you truly ‘own’ that copy of Killzone on your PlayStation 4? Think again." Yes. Sony flat out said you do. You link the EULA but fail at understanding it. Sony own the RIGHTS to the product. This grants them the right to duplicate it and dictate who can financially benefit the intellectual property. That ISN'T the same as having the right to override first sale doctrine. "Another part states: “You may not resell Game Software unless expressly authorised by Sony Computer Entertainment Europe. Resale and rental are prohibited unless expressly authorised by SCEE.” And yet their own executives just flat out said you can at E3 without restriction. Did MS' Execs do so? 5. The controller Complete subjectivity and irrelevant. 6. Price More subjectivity. And idiocy, but still subjectivity. 7. The games Read the previous two points. 8. The features Let's just skip that Gaikai will allow for PS3 backwards compatibility shall we? No, we don't look like we're trying to sell the Xbox One at all by skipping that. /s 9. Xbox will be out earlier (probably) Probably destroys this. Why bother adding this when you have no idea. Amazon lists PS4's launch as November 30th, what is Xbox One's? 10. Getting DLC first "From Call of Duty to Skyrim and Grand Theft Auto, Xbox 360 still offers new downloadable content to its users months before PS3 players. You can expect this to continue on Xbox One. Owning a PS4 and having to wait several months for the next add-on pack in COD: Ghosts or other triple-A blockbuster? That’s not for us, thanks." No proof at all. FUD. 11. Big Brother is not watching you BAHAHAHAHA! Microsoft is part of PRISM and Kinect requires filtering technology. 'nuff said. 12. It’s all subject to change, anyway Which means it can get worse.
Listen my fellow gamers this is truly set to be a fantastic next generation of gaming consoles in regards to both innovation and gaming titles. Currently it would appear that playstation's main advantage would rest specifically in its price point, while the Xbox One encompasses all other advantages in the fields of features and exclusive gaming titles. However, specifically referencing the above titles notion of "hype" let us see what the consumer truly prefers with their actual monetary purchases; a lower priced console, or innovative seamless features and a fantastic gaming experience.
@360degrees: "Currently it would appear that playstation's main advantage would rest specifically in its price point, while the Xbox One encompasses all other advantages in the fields of features and exclusive gaming titles."
A "Leet" game what? Thas right its a cheap blog. Also think about the person that submitted this. Thas desperate.
@ Foxgo: Not for being rich, but for being foolish. Also for the article: "So the PS4 system doesn’t require the internet to work, but certain games will." True: they're called online-only games. Without proof your points look stupid as well.
I truly enjoy how they say at the beginning that they own both XBox360 and PS3 so have no bias toward either and then go on to try and talk up Xbox One while downplaying PS4. No bias at all. HA!
Guess I'll take a shot at it too DragonKnight.:) 1. It's been said it's up to the publishers for Xbox, which I think is now a good thing, because pubs are unlikely to implement this crap. However the participating retailers is unsettling. The fact Sony said explicitly that they will not allow publishers to restrict 2nd hand trade is a big point the author conveniently left out. 2. Nope, explicitly stated at the conference that PS4 will never have to connect online...even had a big ass slide for it. Online games or features will require a internet connection obviously. 3. Can't predict problems. True, but I'd put my faith in Sony over MS any day when it comes to hardware. Sorry but most MS hardware is complete and utter crap, even if you disregard the Xbox 360 RROD fiasco. 4. Yep. Will refer you to this comment I posted elsewhere. Also what dragon says is pretty accurate. http://n4g.com/news/1282102... 5. Completely subjective. I personally love the DS controllers. 6. Price: I'd rather not pay an extra $100 for Kinect, since I don't really care for Kinect. MS didn't even show anything at their E3 conference to sell the Kinect in any way. If anything it was all about smart glass. But to each their own. PS+/Live fee is a wash, but I will say that PS+ is an incredible value...although the new paid online does kind of suck. 7. Games: Completely subjective. I personally have never been disappointed with Sony in the number of games they release since the PS1, nor am I disappointed in their quality 8. Don't care about most of those features. Sony also has a game DVR which allows you to upload. "Still better than PSN". Again subjective. 9. Care to inform us on the actual release dates? That would get you more hits over this fan boy tripe. 10. Exclusive/Early DLC: seemed Sony mentioned quite a bit of this in their conference. Guess it's subjective if you care about that stuff. I personally rarely buy DLC. 11. Kinect "spying" on you. I tend to agree, it's likely not going to do that. Given recent reports though you can't blame people for being concerned. Still not sure how Kinect spying on you has any effect on the PS4 hype though. 12. "It's all subject to change" Yep. MS made that abundantly clear in their "clarification" of these issues gamers have with them. Given the current status, those possible changes are worrying. Current hype isn't about what PS4 might do one day in this regard, but what it can do now. I also think it would be really stupid for Sony to come out so strongly on these issues, only to change the policy later...particularly since it was never their intention to implement them anyways.
TRY harder bro...
I keep seeing people say that the Ones price is not really more expensive because the kinect is bundled with it. The kinect isn't bundled. It's part of the system. The One doesn't function without it. If I buy a car, the engine isn't "bundled" with it. When I buy a TV for $1500, I don't think its a great deal because it comes with the screen.
we now know for a fact that none of the gangsters or criminals will be getting an xbox one :D
@Sitdown - The next Halo's release date isn't even confirmed, and is probably late 2014 at the EARLIEST. So why would you buy an Xbox One this year? You might as well wait until Halo actually comes out and you will most likely get the console A LOT cheaper. Sorry if that is too logical, or makes too much sense.
12 reasons why you shouldn't..... 1 reason why you should... Consumer friendly!
I mostly just come on N4Gs comment section to laugh. Its pretty easy to take people on here with a handful of salt when any hint that you are talking about the X1 in a positive way receives a million disagrees, and any comments that talks of what garbage the X1 is (even if its completely untrue) are heaped with praise, haha. Any time I see any remotely sane conversation about pros/cons/logic behind the next gen I do a double take. Also I'm pretty glad I'm rich too. Apparently a day and a halfs work at minumium wage makes me rich. Lucky me! Cant wait till Obama can watch me play Rsye in the nude
@blackbeld I know this might hurt the playstation community but PS4 is not completely DRM-free. http://www.polygon.com/2013...
Dude, who is sonya? Lol
I'm starting to think FoxGod or MikeMyers wrote this.
This argument is not valid!
12 reasons why you shouldn’t get carried away by PS4 hype REALLY?? MS paying off editors to down grade ps4 already? this surely not going to stop ps4 momentum. as neoninja stated "by now people have their mind made-up on what they are getting" (PS4) HEY, MS GO RE-DESIGN your lame ass console and stop biting SONY backside.
no not you the author, come on man everything you say is true I'm just confirming it man sorry if i didn't make my self clear
Is that all you Sony fans EVER have to say about those who support MS? That MS must be paying for it... Not trying to defend the article, but you make Sony fans look bad..
these Xbox fantards are really catching after straws nothing this guys says is fact just mambo jumbo that he hope is true wow
im sure your not talking about me?? nosferat?? im pro SONY
i personally love how they keep saying the xb1 is better than ps4. on what standers they are judging that idk since the ps4 is more powerful, cheaper, more developer friendly and offers cloud as well. and the xb1 gives you foolish restrictions and the same features you can get on any smart tv and a higher price which say what every they want now that was used to bash us with ps3 so turn about as fair play.
I'm not buying any console at launch. If a buy a console it will probably be a PS4 when Infamous launches (Q1 2014). By then we will know all the kinks about next gen consoles. I'm in no rush.
Same here. I'm in no rush to buy a PS4 (no way in hell I'll ever get an Xbox One). I'm going to wait and see if Destiny releases for PC before I consider purchasing the PS4. I have a high-end PC, and would rather play games on it. I can see myself eventually buying a PS4 though (once exclusives that I really, really care about like UC4 or something come out).
DAMN IT! I feel bad for clicking on the link. Smh
Form the article: "Third-party publishers are free to come up with their own Digital Rights Management (DRM) for PS4. For example, Activision’s Destiny requires a constant internet connection. So the PS4 system doesn’t require the internet to work, but certain games will." That's an awful argument. The game is an online only multiplayer game! That's why it requires the Internet, not because of DRM! Good god how stupid can they be!
you can feed this crap to the US market but don't expect people to believe any of this in Europe or japan or for that matter the rest of the world no matter how the xbox defense force puts it, MS screed up now instead of defending them come join the darkside we have cookies if the xbox360 couldn't hold back the ps3 with lower price point,better online structure at launch and more games than what makes anyone think now xbox one will do any better. Its destined to be in the 3rd place this gen no matter the spin MS or its fanbase will put on I am tired of this crap, whenever sony or Nintendo does something right all the xbots have to come to an amercan company's defense. MS this is called gaming business or maybe you wanted to be in the cable business instead xbox one, one machine to rule them all, OH NOT SO MUCH so you need a cable box plugged in so that's one cable you can't switch the harddrive something sony allowed this gen so one more cable from external hard drive its not a DVR so another box so its not one machine, its just one big black box covered by may other smaller black boxes
Link doesn't work, anyone can re-link or paste the article if it's not too big? Thanks!
There you go http://www.leetgamesblog.co...
1.This is true, but its very unlikely that publishers will except free trading and selling of their games, especially when MS has already built an infrastructure that caters for it. 2.True, but this only applies to MMO games not hardware which is whats applicable today. MS have built a very restrictive console which requires an internet connection just to even be able to play it OFFLINE. 3.I totally agree with this point, but it is worth remembering that Sony operated on a FREE service which meant they had to limit their costs. With the PS4 paying model they will be able to provide a much more secure service with dedicated fast servers. Sony aren’t stupid and have probably learnt from their mistakes. 4. Im on the fence with this one, Sony have stated numerous times PUBLICLY that gamers will own their games outright and do with it as they want. They have also built most of their advertising campaign around this fact. I personally don’t see Sony going back on this 5.This is personal preference 6.The PS4 + camera is still cheaper 7.Although MS lineup seems more enticing Sony did say that they will launch their PS4 with 20 Excl within the first year. 8.This is up to preference again but PS4 does have more features then whats listed. 9.This is pure speculation at this point 10.Sony showed more Excl content plus PS+ its likely they will have more funds to push forward more DLC. 11. Thats funny 12. Totally agree
I see 12 reasons suckers clicked on that click whoring blog.
1 reason to get carried away with the PS4 hype... 1.) It's PlayStation 4.
@neoninja: "Didn't know that about the Sony's licensing agreement." well, there's a little disclaimer right before the article even begins: "UPDATE: This is an opinion article – do not read on if you’re expecting a fact-based news-style piece." so... and the EULA just talks about sony having the ownership rights to the IP, which *all* EULAs state, it has nothing to do with whether you lawfully own the physical copy of the product you've purchased. the author simply doesn't understand what the EULA is saying, and tries to spin it as though you don't own anything you buy from sony.
Well, looky, they had to even update the article: UPDATE: This is an opinion article – do not read on if you’re expecting a fact-based news-style piece. do not read on if you’re expecting a fact-based news-style piece [b]fact-based[/b](I wish I could Bold) Case closed - They admit it's Emotive, Opinionated bullshit with Zero Factual statements. Because we know 'Opinion pieces' like these contain illogical declarations for Hits more than anything else.
you do realize that technically you dont own any music/movies/games that you have purchased? all media has had that "licencing" approach to purchases for more than a decade.
Sonys licensing policy is all software just incase they wouldn't implement it and te set up is the same as the ps3. Damn fear mongerers.
another MS RM. rather than spreading bull just go and fix your console
Early DLC??lol it sure as hell didnt help M$ this gen it sure as hell wont help them next gen.
Yeah plus I don't get how 'early DLC' is somehow better than 'DLC only abailable on Playstation' as in Assassin's Creed or Batman. Not that I would weigh those to heavy but I believe later is better than never, but then again the whole list is kind of weired and, for lack of better term, wrong.
Exactly & plus sony knows that & is why im glad they have a strong relationship with ubisoft, who have tons of games im interested in like watch dogs, the division, assassins creed & splinter cell which most likely all of them will have exclusive dlc to the ps4. Not sure about splinter but u can count in all ubisofts new projects plus destiny from bungie which are all heavy hitters from 3rd party studios.
I remember when they payed 60 million us dollars for the lost and the damn to come out early, killzone 2's budget was only 40mill and that was a really expensive game to make! They need to learn where to invest their money better
Exactly. It doesn't entice me to buy an xbone at all. All it does is piss me off that ms throws money around to impede on DLC availability on sony consoles. They pay money to stop content from coming to their competitors consoles. I just think there's better ways to entice people to buy a console. The difference between sony is that they invest in developers to create extra content.
FUD Nothing to see here.
i always wanted to know what FUD meant...
Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. :)
The position of the stick argument on the dualshock is so played out. How does the asymmetrical layout of the sticks on the xbox controller lead to more faster paced online gameplay??? I don't get that...
I've been wondering the same thing for years now.
You don't get it because there is no logicial reason for it being better. If swapping the left analog and dpad is better then why are the right analog and buttons not swapped? Perhaps Xbox fans have asymmetrical hands. I often hear the complaint about the loose sticks, yes they are loose and therefore require more skill to use, but they are more responsive. So they are hard for noobs to use but are better once you learn to use them.
Did you really just say that the Playstation analog sticks take skill? I'm literally laughing right now None of them take skill, this is just fanboyism
Sorry to burst your delusion bubble but yes tighter sticks are easier to use. The trade off is that they are less responsive. The looser sticks must be harder to use otherwise there wouldn't be so many xbox users whining about them. And if they are harder to use then by definition they take more skill.
DS4 has been completely redesigned ,.. with help from bungie..(fanboy halo).. con-caved tighter sticks, springy and longer triggers. touch pad with dual click., share button.., heavier, longer, w/ better rumble..., gyro. and blue-tooth no latency with inner battery.
In the GiantBomb daily podcasts they were talking about the controllers and actual said the new Xbox controller took a step back siting squishier triggers, clicking shoulder buttons and an uncomfortable agronomic curve. They also said the PS4 controller has made huge improvements and the really liked the controller. If true this is just another positive for Sony.
DS4 has been completely redesigned ,.. with help from bungie..(fanboy halo).. super-ergonomic con-caved tighter sticks, springy and longer triggers. touch pad with dual click., share button.., heavier, longer, w/ better rumble..., gyro. and blue-tooth no latency with inner battery. standard 3.5 headphone jack and speaker on deck. http://i1356.photobucket.co...
This is all desperate damage control.
Cuz u want drm??
Haters gonna hate..
The logic of this article seems to be "another reason, if Hitler were alive, he would have bought a PS4 so its bad"