We just want a device that we can play games on, why is Microsoft making this so difficult?
Go home and rethink your life Microsoft.
No, not for me. "1. Drop required Kinect" -No, Kinect is a central part of how X1 functions...no Kinect no using these voice commands, and more importantly reducing Kinect to an optional peripheral does not encourage devs to explore proper Kinect implementation into games. I like what Mass Effect3 did and Ryse will do more, and so on, continue improving immersion into our games. "2.Relax their Used Games policy" "It’s simple; Microsoft should allow used games to be easily transferable." -They already have you can sell your game once, or you can SHARE YOUR GAMES WITH UP TO 10 FRIENDS, instantly, anytime, anywhere. "3. Get rid of their Online Policy" -No, once again this is central to their online strategy, its a trade off for convenience since all your games/profile are accessible anywhere and of course if they don't make you authenticate then you could download once and then that disc can be given away or sold unlimited times they can't possibly enforce drm without the brief authentication every 24hrs. 4. Stop the “All-in-one” Entertainment Push -Why? Its called marketing....no different than sony's "It only does everything" marketing, plus they showed they are focused on games where it counted, at E3. -Bottom line, million will love HOW X1 works, if YOU don't then buy something else.
Yeah but you probably work for them so your opinion is irrelevant. O and 5: Replace whoever is responsible for 1-4
I can only agree with Jokesonyou, any mature gamer can deal with MS their policy. People these days are sensitive over the smallest things.
1. Many people are turned off by Kinect and the extra $100 it is putting in the cost of the console. I get making sure everyone has the same hardware but they could at least make it unpluggable. A lower priced sku without Kinect would do much to ensure people buy the system. Kinect appeals to casuals, and casuals do not buy the most expensive console. If Kinect turns out to be so great people can buy it later as an add-on. 2. Used games is a non-issue. The smart way to reduce used games/trades is to make digital distribution attractive. All MS had to do was have games release earlier and at a lower price point than physical copy. The cost is lower without manufacturing, shipping, and packaging. Only apply the cloud family sharing to digital games. Most people would end up buying digital and the used market would dry up on its own. 3. Why can't they enforce their DRM without authenticating games once every 24 hours? They could just as easily do it by requiring connection online only when installing games. 4. Nothing wrong with a console that can do more than play games. It's one point I actually like. But MS shouldn't try to make its console compete against Smartphones and tablets...it will lose. -Bottom Line, PS4 is cheaper, more powerfull, and better designed with none of the headache causing restrictions.
I agree with you fully Jokesonyou, I just wish all the other guys would stop jumping in on the xbox threads touting perpetual doom and gloom, talk about insecure...
You say no because everything that's restrictive is central to how the Xbox one works. I think you are completely missing the point of the article to be honest.
nah Dfooster, Jokes is well informed, what you label as restrictive I call convenient "always online"= my console is constantly updating in the background, like most people I'm already connected all the time, sort of like my cell phone, I never lose internet for more than a few minutes. "Used games restriction"= I don't like but now I can share with more friends than I ever did anyway, win for me. "Kinect"= well I'm one of the few that enjoys playing Kinect now with my kids. "All in one"= I don't know how this made the list anyway, of course I don't want my console to only play games, anymore than I want my cell phone to only make phone calls, it has a Blu-ray player and multi-functionality is a plus, unless its at the expense of gaming, nothing indicates Microsoft is doing this because of their current billions invested into studios and games which was evident at E3. What point is he missing?
I remember when I had a life, now all I do is get on N4G and Mud Sling the Xbox one. Worthless waste of life I am...
Strange ain't it, even if I were a so called "xbot" I could never imagine myself jumping in on every playstation thread trying my best to make it look like a dubious investment... strange?
@Craig667- with the invention of social media everyone thinks there opinion matters. Same with celebrities and they're political views. No one cares
oops Docknoss I meant to hit Agree.
So basically they need to change, everything.
which i highly doubt a qoute from mehdi " we expected the backlash, gamers don't like change"
No, actually Microsoft seems to be embracing their vision, and they basicly said if you don't like it don't buy it. (buy a 360 comment) Apple has very closed policies that I personally don't like and people just accept it because they like the product so much, sure they like things about Android OS, operations, products and business model but they chose an iPhone over the others anyway. Why do people have a double standard when it comes to Microsoft? Apple does not apologize to people who love Android or frankly to their customers who don't like it when the new iPhone requires you to buy new products because the connector is new, they basicly say "Hey this is our plan for the future, you either get on board or buy something else", yet millions still say OK I want a iPhone5. I know this is a console not cell phone but the idea is still revelant, Why does it seem mostly that sony fans want xbox to be like playstation, I actually like how completely different Nintendo and sony are as when it comes to their strategy, games, online, etc and now I'm really liking how micro is saying "hey this is our vision" and they are exactly right, gamers dont like change, but you don't have to "change", look left there is Nintendo, look right there is sony, if that means X1 will be far back in 3rd place then fine, I wont enjoy playing with Kinect and all that comes with X1 any less just because X1 has a lower market share than the others. Last gen besides online cost and obviously different exclusives 360 and ps3 felt basicly very much the same, now for better or worst X1 seems to really have a different way of doing things. Its about choice, not forcing your wants down the throats of everybody else who supports these decisions.
Well said, I feel the same, If I didnt like it I would forgo purchasing it and move on, as it stands 24hr check in is fine,it's not like my PC, 360 and ps3 ain't always connected? and as for the DRM, for me personally the benefits FAR outweigh and perceived negatives,so to me even with the higher price compared to sony's offering I feel the xbox will do more things me and the rest of the family want.
Agreed with everything listed and in the order they listed it. AND with Number one should come and automatic price drop AND ease people's minds about their built in surveillance system so they could kill 3 birds with one stone and put them back in the running. The biggest thing M$ needs to understand is people get enough mandates in life, we don't want to be dictated to on how we enjoy our downtime as well.
My only concern is the used games issue. I want to rent a game from Gamefly or Redbox, pop it in my X1 and play it as I would a 360 game. I find it funny that people have a problem with the whole "All In One" campaign. Wasn't Sony's "It can only do everything" not too long ago? Why the problem with this slogan now? If it can do all and still play games then so what?
Exactly but people will still focus on certain things and believe their own arguments. 1. Not going to happen. By having Kinect in every system that means it won't be treated like a peripheral. It's like asking Nintendo to drop the Wii U Gamepad. When you treat devices like a peripheral like Sony is doing wit their Eye camera hardly anyone will ever take advantage of it. This happened on the Ps2 and the hard drive and the Playstation Move which was a great product but had little support. 2. This could change, it's all software based and I imagine it will be tweaked. 3. This could also be changed but Microsoft is going in a new direction, I doubt they will relax on this. They want automatic updates for everyone, they want people to share their game library with 10 family members, they want games to be copied to the cloud. This is about instant access from anywhere. Like it or not we are already heading into an always on environment. 4. This is stupid. Why would they stop advertising it as more than a game system? The market is much larger beyond games. It has an HDMI input. They want this to be an entertainment box. As long as game development doesn't slow down who cares? Right now Microsoft has more games in development than the history of the Xbox.
I never understood that myself. Having Kinect part of the system ensures that developers will be able to do what they want with it and implement it in games because EVERYBODY HAS ONE. That is the point..having it as some peripheral, who knows what kind of support it might get, especially if its just a little niche of people that might buy it. In the short run, the price is a little extra but in the long run, it becomes part of the system and not just a gimmick. Remember, these consoles will be around for at least 10 years.
You also don't even need to wear a headset now do you since it does voice? Now that the camera is far more accurate maybe they can actually prove it's a viable addition to the controller. The thing can actually read your heart rate. Microsoft is going in a new direction, they want everyone to be connected, have the cloud be a major part of it, have Kinect be standard so you can speak to turn it on and things like that as well as it auto-signing people in and knowing where the controller is and who is holding it. They have the right to go in a new direction just like Nintendo did with the Wii. We don't need 3 consoles all doing the same thing.
yeah, I don't get that either, make Kinect optional sure it would be cheaper but it would ruin everything they are trying to do with intergrating it into everything their trying to do with the platform, games, UI, media, Skype, movies, apps, it all works with Kinect hell even indies like Below are using it. Its like telling Tesla Motors to make electric optional in their new model S, NO they don't want your business if you don't want electric. Its very simple.
I'm sure MS will implement a game rental service through live, they would be stupid not to...wait, maybe they won't.
Lol, A game rental service would be awesome. If they could do that then I would definitely get an X1. But knowing MS there would be some insane restrictions and rules and super tall hurdles to jump through just to get it.
To be fair to Microsoft there no longer going for the gamers, they are trying to go for everything, this was obvious with there reveal no games for 35 minutes they are aiming for the TV crowd while trying to keep the 360 users in order to give them some form of guaranteed success which has totally backfired. To give u an example of how bad it is my local store (next dimension) has STOPPED taking in pre owned 360's he has to many and he will never be able to shift them all, on facebook im part of several gaming group (facebay arbroath,dundee,montrse and other surrounding areas) and loads of people are posting to swap for a ps3 or selling all there 360 stuff all together.
It might be too late to change much without delaying the release.
Yeah those bungholes really screwed up. Motorola RAZR i
Just one thing for microsoft to get fame!!! LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY!!! DON'T DESTROY THE TRADITION OF GAMING!!!
There are just so many layers of bullshit they would have to fight through before they could win my attention.
One word, EVERYTHING!
The only thing I wouldn't mind Ms making new rules for is the 24hr policy. While it does not affect me I do understand others that it may effect. None of the DRM issues effect me directly. -I hardly dabble in used games though you will still be able to trade games once the system is established with publishers/retailers. -My internet is always connected and only play at home. -The future of sharing games digitally with 10 others (still waiting for details) beats not getting my disc back or it being scratched...etc I like the idea of playing games with out worrying about imputing another disc.(No longer need to get up and change games) The digital security checks in place allows that, about time. -I do support the devs/Pubs to start getting a little cut of the used game market. I never understood that once a game was sold brand new, they never got paid while the game is bought used a number of times at locations. Most Devs/Pub will be thankful in the future. There is money to be made by everyone, you just have to establish the conditions and terms. A lot of these new policies have been coming and for a console that actually showed some decent games(which have been the opposite)MS is taking steps(some not likable) to secure publishers, discourage piracy(which have killed xbox sales of games) and to future-proof the console for the next 7-10 years. Some things just need to be ironed out, detailed with the policies themselves(which I think MS will do) and if MS brings the games which looked promising, everything else included with Xbox One(XBL, Cloud Tech, Kinect, Voice Controls...etc) will be fine. At the end of the day, the Xbox One play games.
"I do support the devs/Pubs to start getting a little cut of the used game market. I never understood that once a game was sold brand new, they never got paid while the game is bought used a number of times at locations. Most Devs/Pub will be thankful in the future." "A lot of these new policies have been coming and for a console that actually showed some decent games(which have been the opposite)MS is taking steps(some not likable) to secure publishers, discourage piracy(which have killed xbox sales of games) and to future-proof the console for the next 7-10 years" Secure publisher? Discourage piracy? By making a game you purchase available to 10 people instantly the moment you download it? Can't you see the contradiction here? Do you really think the publishers are going to like this?? Do you really believe they are publisher friendly? They don't give a damn about publishers and gamers. It's all about them taking MORE money out of you and that's it. There is no need at all for all the restrictions and obligatory rules in the console and their true focus is not being talked aboutnhere.
I get what your saying but with the way the model is set now, anyone can give anybody their game physically so what difference does it make currently? No money being made of second hand and trading... Again, there will need to be more detail on this sharing which I mentioned in the post but from what I understand it should work like this.. http://i.imgur.com/Ayguitt.... Steam is doing fine with the system they have in place..again like it or not, that is where it is headed. I hope you do not change your principles about where you game when this becomes standard or stop gaming all together. I'm not really sure how MS is taking more money from me? when it comes to these policies.
Used games are only an issue because MS is making it one. Pushing for an all digital future by attacking physical copies is pointless. Just make digital distribution attractive and all the used game, trading, loaning BS becomes irrelevant.
@SilentGuard I agree..
That ten members thing I wonder how efficient that is. Do all ten members have unlimited access to my games library? Can we all simultaneously play that one game eliminating need for everyone to buy the same game? And do those ten members gain access to my whole library of games or do I have to designate individual games to be shared to my members?
Do the real xbox one! Remember the original Xbox MS ? You know the machine that was actually fantastic? But now we have this mess of a console?!
Just do everything same that Sony did with their PS4 and we will all be happy. Is that really hard Microsoft.
No if I wanted a ps4, I'd buy a ps4. Edit: lol Saksoy
Na, I prefer what the X1 is offering over the PS4 so I will rather buy the X1 over the PS4. Even the Games at E3 looks more appealing to me then those that were shown at the Sony conference. Simple as that. XBOXdayONE
We getting there slowly, it was 10 before.
The wii killed the Xbox brand. Too much emphasise on kinect and capturing the wii sports crowd and they took their eye off the ball and forgot about the people who have been gaming all their lives and not just because its the latest craze. And to compound matters they keep flogging the horse that's been dead for about 2-3 years. At least Sony had the sense to bring out that ping pong ball on a stick thing but not advertise it as the second coming of Christ. I used to think the Xbox brand was really cool when I bought my 360 but now I can't wait to get shut of it and buy a PS4. Yeah I'll miss the controller and forza but ill live. At least I know I'll be buying a machine that is designed for gamers in mind and I'm sure ill have many happy times with my PS4 swapping and discussing games in the pub with my friends. That Sony advert about swapping the games is right on the money for how most gamers feel about the Xbox one. The best thing Microsoft could do is to scrap it and start again.
in short... xbox sucks!! Ever since Microsoft entered gaming market in 2000, they destroyed gaming and turned it into a buisness!!!! Xbox 360 also sucked but many stupid US bought it cuz they were proud to use US products!! No wonder how many times they changed their console cuz of RROD... And now many of their Hard earned achievements will go useless once they shift to PS4 and knowing that Microsoft only meant taking from them money!!!
Rename your console Xbox 180 and reverse all BS. People would probably be even more confused when it would be on store shelves next to the previous console.
Oh, boy. The apologists are out in full force. It's hard to tell whether they're different people, or one person with multiple accounts.
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