Sony Computer Entertainment CEO House says Sony's had the same content ownership policies for 15 years.
And that's how it should be.
And thats why Sony has given me faith in the future of the gaming industry again
well when you buy something it should be yours right???? right??? I worked for my money, I paid that money for a product, it's mine.
I like the PS4 design its very similar to PS2 slim.. http://img.photobucket.com/... And the blue led its a neat touch!
Sony ftw! I'll remain a gamer as long as they stay in the industry! They have support if gamers now it's really good and it will only benefit to consumers with great games. Greatness awaits 4>1
Abash.... "Faith in the future of the gaming industry because of Sony" ? So when the PS5 comes out in 6 years time and it doesn't even have a Blu ray drive and they will be doing practically the same thing as Microsoft is doing now I bet that will be all fine then. Perhaps they will throw in a few games like they have with PSN, where now its fine to pay for online.. This site is hilarious.
we should expect the possibility of being able to make backups of not only physical but digital content. For archival purposes of course.
@EasilyTheBest I was fully prepared to say eff off to Sony if they implemented the same stuff Microsoft did and go PC only. Thank god they didn't. And if stupidity and shortsightedness prevail in a few years, and Microsoft is successful with the crap they are trying to pull, the next console generation will be time to abandon console gaming, look at what happened to free online play because of Microsoft, now Sony is doing it, too because MS was so successful with it. And by the way, using your own made up hypothetical outcomes of certain situations to pass judgement on a certain group of people is beyond ridiculous.
do you mean.... like this? http://i880.photobucket.com...
I want to find the troll who disagreed with y'all and hang them from a cliff
That's exactly right, and it's part of the reason I'm going PS4 next-gen.
@King Right, that's how its always been.
You own the disc, not the media on it. Read the EULA.
Nope, that depends on where you live. In the US you formally own the disc, while in a lot of countries EULA's aren't applicable in the first place.
POWER to the people!! :)
This is what the PS4 is doing at the moment. http://imageshack.us/a/img8...
Hah! love that gif. Gotta bookmark it.
Except if you want to hack it. Than you're just licensing it. Sony is going FULL ON BASH right now. Microsoft is looking helpless as days go on.
you try and hack a microsoft 360 or even better still on your xbox 1 now that its spying on you, see how quick they would be at your front door
If they ever come to my door, you will be the first person I notify.
I dare them to come to my fuckng door.
Good thing theyre making sure all the ignorant ppl who think Sony has all these restrictions like xbox know that its not true..
I believe the word is getting out. Their used games youtube video is one most trending videos on the web right now.
Ya i seen it.. Sony nailed it with this console & how theyre going about promoting it.. I think PS4 is going to be sold out throughout the holidays & i got 3 of them pre ordered to help meet the demand ;)
They have to keep repeating this because there are still people out there that are saying otherwise. I call them uninformed idiots.
Not fully truthful though. Is not their current policy, that games purchased through +, are yours so long as you remain a member? Physical copies of course we will own, but as far as PS+ digital content, they become non playable when the subscription ends. The PS+ game is married to the subscription I thought. No?
That is true. Plus, all digital content is not tradeable, but Sony does not have the online checks so you could put your profile on a friends ps3 and let him/her download your games. There is a limit to how many consoles though because of the abuse. I wouldn't be surprised if that is diminished on the ps4. But even after all of that, their current stance is still better than the XBone.
So do you think if you don't renew your netflix sub you should still be able to access netflix even though you are no longer paying for it? . LMAO . If you are no longer paying for the subscription you don't have access until you re-sub. How is this so hard to understand?
apparently its not written in microsoft so they cant understand
What the hell are you talking about? Of course I don' think Netflix should be free, but that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Maybe you're just a tad sloooooooow? I would ask that you re-read the conversation, but since you didn't read it the first time prior to responding, what good would that do? Even if what you thought I was suggesting was correct, which it isn't, I'll entertain it anyway. When we subscribe to Netflix we stream movies. We do not subscribe then pay for the movie, then download it to our HDD. We pay a sub and stream. It's not even a proper analogy, man.
Entirely different from what he said. What you are saying is 'you want to keep using a service you cancelled'. What he is saying is 'I want to keep what was given to me, seeing as these games aren't rentals.' What you are trying to make it look like he saying is like 'If I cancelled my Gamefly sub I should keep getting services anyways' when he's not.
Brucis, He's just lost. He has no idea that I love PS and I subscribe. He assumed I hate it because I corrected the headline, and quickly invented some retarded Netflix example in his fit of wisdom.
xbox: "if you dont have internet, buy a 360"
Thats a boss of an answer lmfao. No internet buy a 360 hahaha.
I think that was the craziest comment somebody could say when you're trying to advertise your new hardware.
Rough translation *If you're poor or a cheap skate, we don't want to know you anymore"
I liked it when there was only Nintendo and Playstation everything seemed so much more FUN. ALL the games varied from RPG'S to Platforming to Shooters to third person shooters and Horror and kid games and sports and racing. Hope we can get back to that instead of just shooters and racing and sports...
When was there ever just Sony and Nintendo? There was the Dreamcast and then the Xbox came out 7 months after the Dreamcast was discontinued. Before that, Sega was still a major player.
A Sega Dreamcast II would seem nice about now.....
When we first announced PS4 in February, people were saying, 'Oh, Sony's being coy' - almost with some implicit suspicion. "It struck us as very odd. We had no intention of changing our position - it hasn't changed from what it's been for the last fifteen years. We believe that if you buy it, you own it, you're able to do with it what you want." I remember that ever since Microsoft revealed the Xbox One there were a ton of people who claimed that Sony would be doing the same thing because publishers are pushing this type of DRM. After Sony announced that they won't incorporate this system into their console that revealed the truth. Basically publishers didn't pressure Microsoft into adopting this type of DRM it was Microsoft themselves who came up with the idea. Motorola RAZR i
So I own the games I bought from psn? Why Cant I resell them or give to friends?
This will most likely change in the near future (for EU anyway) This was posted a while ago (7th March) http://www.1up.com/news/sel... "The Court of Justice of the European Union's decision today made it clear that it believes digital software should be treated no differently: "By its judgment delivered today, the Court explains that the principle of exhaustion of the distribution right applies not only where the copyright holder markets copies of his software on a material medium (CD-ROM or DVD) but also where he distributes them by means of downloads from his website." So long as the copy being sold can be used for an unlimited period of time, the transaction "involves a transfer of the right of ownership of the copy. Therefore, even if the licence agreement prohibits a further transfer, the rightholder can no longer oppose the resale of that copy." When the EU get around to enforcing it then it will be possible, no company is going to refuse and have all their digital sales being barred :)
the EU may not be around for to much longer... it was a bad idea... wonder how happy GB is that they kept their pound system
You can give them to friends. Up to two to be exact. And all 3 of you can even play that game simultaneously from 3 diff locations.
THIS is all they need to say. Over and over again. For the next 5-7 years. I'm huge into owning my own games. As a collector type, it is imperative to me as a gamer. I Will never consider Xbox One. It is a complete failure already on so many levels, it is ridiculous. Sony hit this out of the park! I am mainly a NINTENDO gamer, but I now have my PS4 pre-ordered and am ready for Sony and Nintendo to bury these jackasses. Oh and your new operating system sucks too, and has killed the PC industry. Way to go.
Sure blame MS for the advent of tablets, and the subsequent diffusion of the PC market.
Ok. I blame Apple then. Another company I hate just as much.
And that's how simple it is for one company (Sony) to gain £350 and (one) to lose £430 LOL
Lolz... you don't own anything but a disk... the software still belongs to the developers/Publishers... *sigh* people you may cheer for this all you want, but in the end Sony and Microsoft will both be digital only and eventually probably move towards a more service and less hardware based system.
Hehehe....but you can sell the disk that the software is on. I do believe that is the point.
you can sell the Xbox One disc as well... it's worthless, but you can sell it :-D
And I can do almost anything I want with that disk and whatever it contains.
No no no read Dark_Overlord's comment above. The xbone is a class action lawsuit waiting to happen here in Europe.
Your comment is irrelevant. I own the rights to use the software in whatever fashion I like. I can play the game, give it to a friend, sell it or use it as a freaking frisbee because it's on a physical disc. That would all go away of course if Microsoft had it's way. And to your point about "all digital". Microsoft was using this as PR smoke to try and downplay BluRay. Years later they still have a discdrive. People are still buying music CDs, obviously not as many as they used to 10 years ago, but it's still a lucrative business to put music on CDs. So if people are clinging to physical distribution of songs a few megabytes each, what in the world makes you think they will jump at the chance to download 50GB games? That's just ridiculous. And I'm saying that while using a 100MBit connection (12 megabytes a second at full speed).
See... you're wrong you don't own the rights to use that software how you want... you have the right to use that software the way you agreed to use that software when you agree to the EULA... don't be naïve... MS system is just a stronger reinforcement of the restrictions that are already on you I don't want to come off as a jerk... I'm just trying to be informative... bring some people back to earth... things are rarely as bad as you think or as good as you hope
The only thing I can think of that I can't do with it as a private customer, is redistribution of copies of the software contained on the disc. What Microsoft is doing is trying to treat physical media the same as digital media is being treated right now. So what information is it that you are trying to educate me about? Give me some concrete examples of what I can't do with it.
Then we'll deal with that when the day comes. The same way we're dealing with MS now. It's the future I'm worried about, which is why I fight this now and don't accept it as some pre-determined destiny. I live in the present, and watch out for the future. You would be wise to do the same unless you actually want others dictating how you live your life, or control what you do with your property. What you speak of on software licensing is a grey area in the eyes of the law. It doesn't matter what EULA's say, because EULA's are mostly unenforceable. All MS is doing is hastening the day when the courts have to make a actual ruling on this issue...not unlike the EU is doing now. But go ahead and roll over. The people you're trying to convince have more dignity and self-respect than to allow others to tell them to just deal with it.
My fellow Sony gamers, MS has a rather fine response to that one: If you buy our console, we own your wallet, dignity and intelligence. Let us thank Sony for treating us for what we really are...GAMERS and not walking money bags. Sony Gamers Lead the Way!
Not to rain on your parade, but Sony didn't do this single-handed. Nintendo's been doing this for a long time as well. But yes, gamers lead the way.
Every gamer should lead the way. This is beyond fanboyism, this is about our rights!
@Imalwaysright Yes, exactly.
I applaud Nintendo as well then. Their policy, "Make good games that people want to keep". Can't get much better than that.
if Nintendo joined forces with Sony they would seriously rule the gaming world. They seem to have the same principles.
Ahhh. To relive the 90s again.
Thank you, Sony.
Sony and Nintendo are saving gaming industry and right of ownership...
Think my fanboy days of MS are over. 360 was pretty good and had tons of fun with it after ps2 but now i think it's time to move to a company respecting gamers and not thinking about lining their billions loaded bank accounts on pretext of innovation in consoles. I didn't like sony tactics early on at start of current gen and now i am literally hating Ms policies for coming gen...
I don't see anything that is contrary on X1... If you buy it, you own it... The restriction is on reselling what you own... And on the 24 hr check in... No one else can check in with your copy, so you still own it. X1 just requires verification. That is not a sin, or anti-consumer. That is anti-piracy and anti-renting...
'The restriction is on reselling what you own' Followed by, 'That is not a sin, or anti-consumer'. Did you honestly read what you typed and thought it made any kind of sense because it doesn't. That first quote is the exact definition of anti consumer because it proves you don't truly own the product. MS is effectively lending it to you.
I buy every game I play, I keep it forever, because I have over 1,800 xbox 360 games I never lend them out (too hard to track), and I always have my 360 online even when I travel to friends or long trips. How is it anti-consumer when I do not have to change my pattern to use the system?
You are such a fool ThatsGaming. So basically as it doesn't affect you who cares? That is what you're are saying. Effectively screw screw the lot of you. HOW can you honestly be that stupid? To be honest I sincerely doubt you are telling the truth anyway as I found a dead toad the other day who was more knowledgeable than you.