Edward Snowden told the Washington Post last week that he leaked the National Security Agency’s top secret surveillance programs in part because he feared the Internet becoming “a TV that watches you.”
I will never purchase a Xbone for this main reason alone.
going to have to agree with you there
I wouldn't take one for free. If I was forced to put one in my house I would place a mirror in front of the camera.
Would that work? it has an infrared camera -_-
If being spied upon comes as news to anyone then they are either naive or willfully ignorant. It has been going on for years and has now only become conspiracy fact. The CIA wants to spy on you through your dishwasher anyway. http://news.yahoo.com/cia-w... TV That Watches You: 2 Tech Giants Are Patenting a Creepy Future http://www.dailyfinance.com...
Also, google glass
Charlie Brooker isn't a fan of Google glass have a listen of what he has to say, it's a scary future. Google Rant 4:10 onward. https://www.youtube.com/wat...
This type of thing is what people are talking about when they question the ability of gamers and why they look at them as failures. If you are so incredibly stupid that you think the government needs Microsoft or Kinect to spy on you you are a complete idiot. The US government already knows everything they need to know about you. They have been collecting information on you for years. The NSA has been tracking all phone calls, e-mails, faxes and Internet traffic for decades. I would bet the NSA is loving all of this nonsense. It's just one more thing that keeps the public dumb. Not that it needed any help. The majority of the public is nothing but unchained slaves as it is and this Kinect nonsense is just one more tether. More people have degrees now than ever in history but it's so clear that people are dumber than ever. The government doesn't really need to spy on you to control you, you are already controlled by every stupid mass belief that you fall for. They use things like racism. One group gets that stick up their a-- and buy into being superior. And then that stick gets used to guide you where ever they want you to go. Use a little common sense. Look at the case with Edward Snowden. He is being sought for leaking classified information. But the information he leaked was spelled out in the Patriot Act. The government acknowledges that a section of the act makes what the NSA did legal. Anyone can go to the GPO(Government Printing Office)and buy a copy of the Patriot Act. It's open to the public. So if this is public, how could he have disclosed a secret. Every terrorist organization knows the US tracks phones, e-mail and faxes. So there couldn't have been any harm. Except to the people that didn't know they were being tracked. The American public. And that's because they ignored the Patriot Act. You can't prosecute someone for releasing public knowledge. But you can persecute them for making the public more aware that their government doesn't respect their privacy. And anybody with a brain has to wonder why.
at least they lied about it in the past. Now they are caught in that lie and claim theres nothing wrong with what there doing. Thats the part thats really wrong. We all know the government over steps its bounds.. but now the government is saying tough shit.
surprise surprise microsoft is involved.
The internet of things. Lots of fights to be had on these issues, and it's finally time the fight is being taken up. 9/11 was a Saudi/British plan using our old clandestine terror partners 'Al-Qeada'. Who we still arm, train, and fund today....we send them to Syria. They have chemical weapons even and use them. Benghazi incident was a gun running operation to gather guns/rpg's and ship them to Syria. (so why have a DHS/TSA/take away all our rights and spy on us when the terror we supposedly are so terrified of, is someone we arm, fund, and train to this day?). Why should anyone believe MS? They've had gov't backdoors in windows product since Windows 95. They've aligned with the NSA throughout the post 9/11 period. The article is correct but incorrect. It is the future of PRISM (and the many other programs like Echeclon, Boundless Informant, and a slew of others)...but only one small part of that future. Like the guy above me said, it's all about every appliance and device basically acting like a video/audio bug...which basically gives you complete coverage over a society. It also gives them the ability to control your devices...you know so the next time Enron scams California into rolling blackouts just to make a quick buck, they play that game longer by turning off people's appliances...especially via the smart meter.
You know what I love? An expensive, gimmicky device that stares me in the face while I game and records my facial expressions and body, voice, heartbeat, etc. and then uploads it to a server somewhere. It's awesome. I even heard that they plan to use the info in order to stuff 'more accurate' ads into our faces. Sweet! /s
And you know what would be an awesome idea along with everything you just said, would be if they used the eye tracking capabilities of Kinect for TV commercials, where if you are not watching TV, the commercial pauses......you have to know that they are thinking about this idea. Samsung has this technology in the Galaxy S4....pretty scary stuff.
They'll recruit soldier drone pilots using this method whilst you play cod. They'll monitor who's calm under pressure. M eye five hired that guy that was found dead in a zippep up bag in a bath from monitoring his strategic nous online on some kind of pc strategy game apparently. Seems mega far fetched but the guy was way too young. Ironically the same guy developed a snooping program that could trace who was speaking by voice over the airways from small planes. They tried to assassinate his character after his peculiar death by saying he was into lewd acts and he put himself in the bag....course judy dee, course lol
Yep now we got 001 spying on us....God Bless America
I wonder why no one acknowledges the fact THAT THE ****ING CAMERA CAN BE TURNED OFF
because it's always listening so technically it can't be completely off, it's always active listening (for a "command") pshh yeah whatver how about command my ass
lol bc they dont want to hear it. They are all sheeps influenced by the media. oh the irony.if its listening to you and you are that scared this is some sort of conspiracy,you know you can unplug the power right?
The media is reporting on what the consumers are saying.No media outlet has came out and said the Kinect can spy on you.Before you try to play that media controlling us card at least try to know why and how that originated. Not mention the complete irony in your statement.As far I know, thinking people "are all sheeps influenced by the media" is considered an conspiracy theory.So how can you say dont believe the media then say the kinect spying on us is a just a silly conspiracy?
Because it's not "off" it's "paused" and when the Xbone is off, it's still listening for the "Xbox On" command so it's still technically ON.
so? they aren't listening for terrorists, pretty sure they aren't always listening -_-
I suggest you look up R.A.T.S as you can turn on peoples cameras remotely quite easily on a PC..... You cannot rule that out can you on the xbox? What happens when Kinect is not plugged in? Turning it off at the power is the only guaranteed way to eliminate this argument. What happens when you cover the kinect with a shoe? You get the ERROR:1984 code
George Orwell? lol
What I don't understand is why you can't just unplug it. You don't really need a camera to operate a console in the first place. Motorola RAZR i
You don't need online checks either. You don't need to block used games. That's part of the whole thing...MS inventing limitations, and just pretending like all this stuff is necessary.
who cares if it can be turned off.. the concern is what it can or can't do or be done with it when it is on... and if it can always "listen" for "on" commands, who says it can't listen for "allah" or "bomb" or "guns".... I'm not a paranoid person, but I am not mindless either. In any event, I am not paying extra for a stupid webcam on my console. 499? F off kinect.
Yea cause the taliban made a deal with microsoft to spy on gamers...
I hope that comment was intentionally stupid, because did you stop and think why the taliban would be monitoring words they use every single day? Those words are words searched for by the NSA ... If you send an email, phone call, text, with a combination of those words, it will be flagged.... those are the point of programs like PRISM... anyway the point isn't what the kinect can do, or not do, the point was I don't want it.
If it's off, how can you tell it to turn on? Think about that before you answer. And even if you could completely turn it off, why the hell would you want to pay another $100 just to do that?!
So Microsoft says it can be turned off.. but then they say you can't disconnect it.. the same company saying this was just named as the first partner in a program that stomps all over private citizen privacy.. I tend to be a little skeptical, call me crazy.
You mean that camera that can be disabled but not disconnected? How in the bloody hell do you explain that one? What possible reason could you tell me as to why it HAS to be connected for the console to operate, even if it's "off?"
@CrossingEden It can't be, because it's listening for a command at all times. When it's listening for a command, it's also >listening to your conversation< and searching for that command to see if it wants to be turned on.
Another stupid article.
Not really.. a little OTT for sure but I wouldn't put it past the NSA or anyone else for at least wanting to take advantage of things like kinect. Funnily enough, a few weeks ago people were on here telling people concerned about their privacy to take off their tin foil hats.. who is the fool now?
Those people are the morons. Society has gotten into their head the notion of 'conspiracy theory' as being something to be completely discredited, when in reality, human beings conspire. Go to any court in America, and there will be some 'conspiracy' case. History is all about conspiracy. But somehow because we have electricity and the internet, we've evolved out of it? Every day some major 'conspiracy theory' is found to be a 'conspiracy fact'. But don't worry, the next time derivatives have a bad day, it'll just be the deposits in your bank account. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's written into Dodd-Frank and similar measures have already been used in the EU (Cyprus and Spain). All of your info and money belong to us, and if that isn't enough we'll print to oblivion.
right... and if it was sony mentioned, you'd be praising it like there's no tomorrow. you can stop being a hypocrite now...
why would i want to pay for a device i dont need nor want why would i pay for a device that needs the camera add on to work why would i pay for a device i cannot control
well said, thanks for adding a 50 dollar webcam to the system MS, and then charging an extra 100.... /s
This really irks me, good thing i am not purchasing this money box.
KINECT is "ALWAYS ON" monitoring , listening to one's conversations ..F#[email protected] Microsoft (Secret agent of federal government)..
It's possible to hack a PC webcam and spy on people, why not Xbox?
So is a ppc camera, but no one stops to think of that. Your email is monitored, but people still send them. Your phone records are monitored, but people still use them. I don't hear anyone complaining about that. And if you don't believe me, send an email to your frind detailing how you are going to perform a terrorist attract on a public place and I guarantee you the Feds will be jumping throw your window in a heartbeat. People have to smarten up, we've been monitored for years. So if clowns actually believe that the CIA is watching you play your Xbox in a wife beater and boxers, you think they aren't already monitoring you through video chat and other devices?
They are...you just dont have to free it all up through every single device. I cover all laptop cameras and disable the auto enabled mics (windows)..doesnt seem like much but for me I feel better if they're off than on. My android (ultimate snitch) must feed whoever a whole heap of info so in essence you're right but gaming consoles shouldn't be involved in any of this.
So the argument is, it's been happening anyway, so just bend over even more until we finally have Marshall Law in place constantly. Why is this always the goto response? You name all these other things. Well do you care about those privacy concerns, or is the Xbox so important that you discredit others' justifiable stance?
Kinect MUST be connected for the console to operate that is just awkward, i dont want to be exposed to so much uncertainty just to enjoy my hobby, specially since there are other options
Hahaha this OP is from an MSnbc article! Oh the lovely irony!
Sorry, but Facebook, Itunes, Google+, Twitter, Dating websites, are the future of PRISM. You guys give info away freely as it is. Stop acting like Microsoft is the lone one. Does it suck, yes, but why do you think Sony is pushing for "real friends" in all of their ps4 remarks. They want you to link everything to facebook etc. Why cant people look at all things evenly?
You don't need a Facebook for the PS4 to work. Poor comparison.
Nobody said Microsoft is alone, but this is a gaming site, so the topic is the Xbox One, a "gaming system." You just said yourself that Sony is 'pushing for real friends.' I haven't seen where they are pushing for it so predominantly, but it's optional 100%. It is not necessary for the console to operate. It is not forced on the end user. It's not an even comparison, so people have bigger reservations with the Xbox. It's not about treating the two products fairly at all costs. The evidence is there before all of us, and the laundry list of policies with the Xbox is just absurd. They aren't even hiding it either. They probably feel so confident BECAUSE so many people voluntarily give out information, but I'm not standing for it.
Wow, cause I bet none of you own a smartphone that's connected online 24/7, has a mic, a front and rear camera....ohhh yeah, and can be voice activated. Haha, and you carry them with you EVERYWHERE. Better throw them away folks, cause I'm pretty sure they can spy on you that way as well.
They are moron.
Wow, what a great contribution on your part. Thank you kind sir for informing me and putting me in my place. Your guidance is truly appreciated.
Your post is very sarcastic but you are right they do monitor our cell phones. You hit the nail on the head even though you were trying to be snarky.
NSA revelation lol! They have been monitoring your phone calls since the 80s. They had congressional hearings even back then on the issue. Nobody freaked out when it became public again in 2005-06. Now fabricated fear is popping up over a console. Give yourselves a break. And what about Microsoft, apple, google, and other software, and online websites being under a gag order called the FISA gag. They want to tell people that they are or are not monitoring them and whether they have been requested to do so by the NSA and legally can not. Microsoft has been trying to publicly divulge their position through legal avenues.
With your attitude you seem to think all of this is ok. People are noticing now, finally. This is GOOD, not bad.
Seriously. The guy that leaked the NSA documents posted in Ars Technical well before all this that the NSA considered the Xbox 360 a likely candidate for surveillance.
My HDTV is connected to the net, has voice commands and a camera for skype chatting. Should I be worried?
You dont have to be. Why didnt you sign up to n4g with your real name or real birthday....x reason + y reason but ultimately you had the choice right. Understand that some people feel more protective over their data than you do. I also didn't hear you championing a mandatory kinect this gen either..seems you're quite passive with all things microsoft. Try not to think about calling anybody out on sonys new online paywall because I for one wasn't pleased even though I've been a plus member since it began. You dont have to defend everything death..you can let your guard down occasionally. . no need to be a 'deflecticon' all the time Oh, I wouldn't buy one of the tvs with a camera or voice control but if I had to I'd cover the camera like I do to the ones on every laptop I've ever owned with one.
Series 8 Samsung plasma. Does fun things. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of Kinect. It's not marketed towards me. My kids love it though. I can see the potential and know it will not see that potential if it isn't part of the console though. If Sony offers an online service as refined as Live, I will subscribe. I have no problem paying for something that enhances the gaming experience. I cut a check monthly for $300 on cell phone bills. $60 a year isn't offensive. My take on DRM? I can't trade an games I buy on Steam, itunes, PSN or Live Marketplace. I don't care that disc based games are a step closer. PC games have been doing this for years. It's nice to know that the devs and publishers are going to recoup some of their lost revenue. I'm old enough to appreciate everyone needs to eat. That additional revenue has the potential to take gaming to the next level. I'm ok with that. XboxOne needs to check in every 24 hours? So. I don't have a device that isn't connected 24/7 anyhow. Sony is getting a big PR pass right now because they told the masses what they want to hear. I see what they have done. They added a fee to play online. They scrapped the "Cell" and moved to PC based CPU/GPU's. Shifted blame to third parties if DRM becomes a reality on their console. Where am I supposed to be impressed? DRM will add revenue towards game development. That sounds good for gamers. Consoles are the last hold out for DRM at this level and digital delivery has been out for years on consoles and does the same thing. This is the saddest I have seen Sony ever. They are losing money and marketshare and relying on misinformation or misrepresentation to gain popularity. If Microsoft succeeds, developers and publishers will have a business model that proves much more profitable on the new Xbox. Sony will adapt or lose support. Sony has proven they are not a market leader and follow the lead of others. A PC based console that is easy to develop for with a subscription based online component to help offset costs for a more robust online experience. Sony patterned their new console off the Xbox.
Xbox One won't upload data without "explicit permission" by the user. "Explicit permission" - as in you explicitly have us permission to do so when you bought our product and agreed to the XBL terms of service... That kind of "explicit permission"??????
Have said this before, I believe Microsoft being an American company will in the most subtle of ways have this implemented in the XBox ONE for reasons only they and the U.S. Government will ever know. And for sure Microsoft is going to deny this flatly. It's also why we are seeing all these strict licensing issues. This is all part of the bigger picture which is to survey for unfavorable persons/people and future attacks on U.S. soil.
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