VideoGamer.com: 'Trials creative director Antti Ilvessuo believes both next-generation consoles to be on par.'
Superior GPU and RAM i'd say that's a big advantage for Sony. @Snookies12 That as well and the 399$ prictag :)
Not to mention their policies are much more consumer friendly. That in itself is an advantage.
^ This! The policy alone makes a huge difference. Why the huge cheer during E3, why the rageful comments on forums and everywhere? Why the extreme criticism from almost every gaming website? BECAUSE IT FU*** MATTERS!
Trials guys, the same guys that have never made a game for PlayStation, and that are under Microsoft's spell. Their opinion is simply invalid. It's like taking Don Mattrick seriously after he's made the same claim. 50% superior GPU and superior 8GB GDDR5 RAM only proves the PS4 is superior. Specs are set in stone, and words won't change them. http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... http://n4g.com/news/1275815... http://n4g.com/news/1273972...
Yeah, the difference is pretty huge to be honest. We haven't seen such a gulf between competing consoles since probably the Xbox/PS2 days.
Personally I think it's embarrassing listening to these studios trying to spin fluff in MS's favor. Sellouts, nothing more, nothing less.
@zeee No it doesn't. maybe in your small internet world it does but in reality it does not. I want to believe gamers are intelligent but they are not. For the past month and a half the web has been filled with people complaining and threatening microsoft not to implement DRM. They have. But they also showed Titanfall (an incredible game). Now, i can already see on the Gaf and here, gamers starting to change their tune. "Oh, DRM? what's a little DRM here and there." Wait and see. People will buy the Xbone regardless. Also, all the press and journalists like gametrailers and their angry gamer shows and bosman stuff will all be playing there xbones. wait and see. wait and see. it's all temptation and hypocrisy.
It's easy for them to say this when their games can be played on a phone or tablet. I know there's more than one btw, but there games don't nearly max out graphics in any way.
Maybe he meant that no new PS4 advantage has been announced today. ; ) PS4 definitely has several advantages.
Depends on what games... Trials Evolution for example is a powerhouse, with an amazing lighting engine and 60FPS squiring every ounce of performance from the 360. Probably the best looking semi 2D game to date. They're now owned by Ubisoft, but it still seems that their new console game (based on an improved engine) is only coming to next gen consoles and the 360 itself. I guess it was so tightly optimized that it probably can't be ported to the PS3 without making compromises.
The amount of glitches in that game are laughable. It is common for me to reach negative 60 points or more at least once in a coop session with friends :/ I love Trials but its not a technical masterpiece like you make it sound.
PS4 has the advantage to me because i only connect my console to the net for firmware updates, as i dont play console games online. nor do i wish to "check in" with MS everytime i want to play a SP game. the hardware between the two is really negligible. both will produce basically the same game when it come to visuals for multiplats. i only care about the DRM when it comes to consoles and connectivity to the internet
The PS4 will have better graphics in pretty much every game. If it does not then it is the developers fault for not using the hardware to its real power.
You are aware that the same company that makes Sony's GPU makes M$'s GPU right? the architecture will be the same the only difference will be clockspeed. but when you are talking a couple hundred Mhz. The difference is just 5 fps. You aren't gonna get elaborate AA or higher resolutions. Just a couple FPS and that only matters if the game runs under 60fps as both I imagine will have Vsync enabled. meaning a 60fps cap.
@papashango You have no clue do you lol its a minimum of 10 fps actually and probably more in the lines of 15 to 20fps diff.then add to that the giant gap in ram as in available game ram and the type of ram and the ps4 is leagues ahead.
Hey, solar, I thought you were a PC gamer. I'm sure you know that having 50% more shader performance isn't a small difference.
Yus star, but what im refering to is how times did we hear how "multiplats will look identical" between the 360/PS3? I believe the same will happen and for exclusives, comparisons will be subjective. Developers will be told by publishers not to alienate the consumer base. Exclusives its all systems go with the hardware.
@mr. magoo oh god really? a minimum of 10 really? so All the video cards I've ever owned have been lying to me all these years when I would test my overclocks?
See, this is the problem with just reading headlines. The person pretty much said it's a "whatever floats your boat" situation, which really could extend to the Wii U and still have the same overall message. Also while the PS4 might have more actual power, it still requires developers to harness it for it to really "have" an advantage over the other. If they want to scale back 1 version to match the other, then whichever one is more powerful is moot.
They both have the same architecture it's not rocket science it will not take much time getting better performance on PS4 meaning multiplaforms will be superior.
Even if it WAS "whatever floats your boat," there's still advantages one system can and will have over another.
wow really, so how long have you developed for ps4 and xbox?
Ps4 having more tera flops means nothing pc gpu;'s from 3 years ago has 2 teraflops. I want to see the Ps4 cpu speeds they still havent said
@Glitchy-Balls Those are crappy speeds for a 8 core. Amd crap bulldozer 8 cores were 3.6 gigs stock.
wouldnt dev be able to scale gfx better since all platforms have similar architectures like pc ex. mid, high, ultra etc. if they better optimize the lowest common wouldnt the better hardware shine better. just asking tho.
Just search for RedLynx on Wikipedia and inspect their game library, and you will see how worthless their opinion is in this context.
I'll take the words from a developer over someone on n4g who has no idea of how the hardware from each console works.
Funny, because multiple developers with much more skill and understanding of hardware than this no-name mobile developer have constantly praised the PS4 for all of its advantages.
If this http://www.neogaf.com/forum... is true Sony have even more advantages coming, like releasing their console in japan for a start lol
It's funny how people deny the fact that the ps4 has 1,152 gpu core vs the xbones 768. Just look at the recently released killzone:Sf screenshots how undenyably awesome they look. The ps4 and xbone might have the same maker and gpu but one uses DDR3 and the ps4 uses the more game friendly GDDR5, (kind of Ram video cards uses) Which means the customization of the two system's GPUs have to accomodate to their respective type of RAM. So in reality you can't compare the GPUs directly from specs. (Sorry my english is second language)
AMD used DDr5 for years before nividia switched and games still ran and looked better on NIvidia cards. Sofware makes games run the hardware will only do so much. I only used AMD cards back then because they were cheaper but even i had to admit that games did run better on nivida cards with ddr 3 its just they were to stupid expensive so i switched. Its really stupid that i could crossfire 2 amd cards for the price of one nividia card and get alot more performance in games. But for single card use Nividia is pretty good. But they need to stop being stupid on price.
I'm not a tech expert but what I do know is that Infamous gameplay looks better than anything I've seen yet for next gen.
Shush, RedLynx clearly are masters at maximizing Next-gen consoles already! YOU DOUBT THEIR SKILLS?! They're pro at making dirtbikes that take blast processing to fully comprehend! Trials PS4 edition is too powerful for PS4 to handle and that's why they know.
Even if it's true... PS4 is $100 bucks less so... your argument is invalid
That's what you think
WTF. So no DRM restrictions, no online requirements, better hardware are not advantages for PS4? Is this guy drunk or something? Right now Sony has crushed Microsoft. They have all possible advantages you can possibly have.
anyone else smell the LIES? if you rearrange the letters in redlynx it will spell bull**it
Systems are the same
There the same if your half retarted. Why you think 90percent of xbox fans are switching.
everyone I know is a Xbox in real life not on internet is getting a Xbox One that is stupid to say 90 percent are not even close I am getting both systems cause I'm not falling for IGNorant tricks of sabotage like what happened with the PS3 they hated on it so bad saying blu ray was a flop and all this stuff guess what? PS3 is now the best selling system in the world does not have has much sales as the 360 but it will pass it up, PS3 hate and XO hate are both stupid PS3 was from morons and XO hate is from snobs you cry on the internet all day long, grow up
Did you see any difference in the MS conference games vs PS conference games? I didn't. Where did that extra power go?
You will only really be able to see the differences when multiplatform-titles on the same architecture run better on the ps4. I am guessing better draw-distance, better reflections, better particles... stuff like that. Probably no extreme differences but certainly noticable ones. As far as the shown material goes I'd say that the exclusives on ps4 looked a little better than on the XBox but that can - at this point - be attributed to art style and preference. I don't know of a game that was shown on both systems yet. I'd be most interested in seeing The Division on xbox, since for me it looked amazing on ps4 - and thinking that it is a multiplatform-title I'd say it will be a great piece to compare the capabilities of the two.
Believe me when Naughty Dog take the swing,you'll see how far that will go....
Maybe, but this time it is really the same architecture and MS has great teams too. Don't get me wrong. I am totally with you and I am sure that ps4-exclusives will have the potential to look better - from a technical standpoint - than titles on the xbox. I am only saying that it is difficult right now to really see the difference in power as there is no real piece you can use to compare. Once we have a multiplatform-title it should be pretty obvious and while the game will still look great on xbox there will be just that little extra amount of stuff in the ps4-version. Also I'd be surprised if there would be any multi titles that would look better on xbox at all. So far the xbox often had the advantage in multis, even though that somewhat switched towards the end of the gen as devs finally got the ps3-tech, but this time the tech is the same but the raw-power is different. Every single title should be at least slightly better on ps4. And while the cloud-talk is nice it is kind of unrealistic to expect it to change anything in the graphics-department. For consistent worlds maybe, but real-time-stuff on-screen? No way. And even if so... SONY has a cloud too.
I saw games like Dead Rising 3 and Killer Instinct which looked like Xbox 360 games. I saw Forza 5 which is just now catching up to GT5 & 6 on PS3. Other than that I saw lots of "in-engine" footage which =/= gameplay graphics, and CG. There were only 3 games that looked next gen. Ryse, Titanfall, and Battlefield 4. Regardless, you won't see too much graphical difference right now as the consoles are brand new. Give it a year or 2, the PS4 will pull ahead by a lot. 50% more graphical power is a lot on PC with unoptimized code. On a console, with games being very optimized and coded directly to the hardware? That will make a HUGE difference. Take it from a PC gamer, by the end of this gen you're going to see PS4 games that look a generation ahead of Xbox One games. At the very least, you'll see multiplatform games with higher res textures, more anti aliasing, higher quality ambient occlusion, parallax occlusion mapping, etc. Here's an example of Doom 3 which is 9 years old. This is the difference that higher res textures and parallax occlusion mapping can make on a 9 year old game. http://www.dsogaming.com/wp...
You sir are obviously a troll... Forza 5 just catching up to GT5-6? Forza 4 already did that. Dead rising 3 looks better than anything on the 360. Real world like populations with real time day/night cycles. http://c534909.r9.cf2.rackc... I saw more "in-engine" exclusives on the PS conference than i did Xbox. Must have been CG too i guess.
Forza 4 caught up to GT5? Oh really? Let's take a look: http://www.gamereactor.eu/m... http://fileframe.sector.sk/... http://www.gamereactor.eu/m... http://www.gamereactor.de/m... http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3... Yeah, Forza 4 clearly caught up to GT5. /s ______________ There are many current gen games with real time day/night cycles. That is not a next gen feature. The DR3 lighting looked a bit nicer than current gen, as did the main character model. But the textures and everything else look more like a current gen game. And "real world like populations"? Really? You think that was next gen? Did you plan Dead Rising 1 and 2? http://oyster.ignimgs.com/v... http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2...
Killzone looked better than anything microsoft showed. Hell id say last of us looks better than what i saw xbox show. Ps3 made prettier games this gen, what you thinks gonna happen this time? Xbox is working twords downclocking there system for a second time. Ps4 is like the articles have described, 50% more powerful. Wait till naughty dog makes a game on ps4, youll shit yourself.... I may also...
For me as a consumer first and gamer second, it matters a lot. At least on Son'y's I don't have to worry about internet hick ups ( for most games at least ). And not to mention mostly my disc-based games are still MINE..MINE, Mine, mine, mine, mine, mine :P
Well considering they don't make games for Playstation, I didn't expect them to come out and admit they make games for inferior platforms.
But if Indie boy Jonathan Blow talks about how superior the PS4 is, it's gospel around here. The PS4 does not have as big of an advantage as Sony loyalists want to think. 50percent faster GPU, faster, better ram...and nothing to show for it.
the difference between the two will be the same as last gen. very few, same 1080p resolution at 30fps. developers want the same "experience" between both platforms. not because one is less powerful then the other, but because both the Xbox1 and PS4 wont be able to obtain 1080p at 60fps
He knows better than all of you, he has the kits, seriously, lol i cant believe u fanboys, this is a developer, I am sorry but he would know. Anything positive is trounced. Insomniac creates a game exclusive to Xbox and you all call them sellouts, instead of congratulating them and supporting them, as they provided you, with ratchet and clank, and resistance, and you make your selves feel better, you claim the game is bad. Sony fanboys are the worst, no respect to any developer but their own, and when one switches you bad mouth them. Pathetic.
The guy who wrote that article must have been drunk waiting at a stop light waiting for it to turn green.....the only advantage he has is being wrong.
uh... someone needs to tell the author that PS4's hardware is more powerful, and that sony's policies aren't restrictive.
I'm sure there are a handful of other developers under instruction...Avalanche, Cliffy B and now Redlynx. MS needs the world to believe the platforms are equal. They need to detract from the raw extra power PS4 has. What they really need to do is rethink that $499 price tag, and lose the used game policy...did you know the Xbox One will launch in the UK at £429..that's higher in price than the PS3 launched, and roughly $700 USD! So because an Indie studio with little to zero PS development experience says there is no advantage, we're supposed to believe it?? ...when 95% of 'respected' development studios have agreed 50% more powerful on paper? I think Xbox One is a very powerful console in its own right, the games look good...so why does this feel so engineered and orchestrated?
Well, PS4 is about to have a serious install base advantage, that's for sure.
This nigga a clown, right?
and RedLynx is...?
Make something that doesn't use barely a percentage of their Ram and you can comment RedLynx.
*Xbox One and PS4 have no advantage over the other says RedLynx* ugh are you RETARTED did you watch MS & SONY E3 where have you been hiding in TROLL cave for the last month trying to come up with something that's legit? strap on your earphones or hearing ad in this case Microsoft delivered some games its confirmed by MS that DRM is coming 24 hour check in confirmed 1 hour play time after that 24 hours CONFIRMED. SONY came out with STRONG line up of games its confirmed by SONY that the console its self won't come with restrictions NO DRM PS4 supports used games PS4 supports its users PS4 allows trading games PS4 allows to sell and resell unlimied as much as you want how you want where you want and when you want to trade sell buy or keep and its also region-free witch means buy that badass console from UK it will work with all games in the US. take a stroll over to Playstation on youtube and watch the E3 Press Event and after that go back to Microsoft E3 Press Event and if your not convinced after all that and still want the Xbone or xbox Next if you want to call it that its all fine and dandy by me it will not hurt my feelings whatsoever but if you decide to buy the PS4 after all headaches then its also fine witch ever you want won't bother me i will be enjoying all the games i wanted and then some.
RETARTED? Oh the irony.
I will be enjoying both because im loaded with money and Im not a fanboy, even tho i prefer micros products a bit more. And I do believe that micro showed more exclusives
i saw halo and some freaky game with giants in it. in my comment was not fanboy related i did say Microsoft and not Micro deep pockets and or M$ the whore that can pump you for every dollar you throw at them. i did not refer to it that way. yes back when i was in my 20's i was a fanboy and did a damn good job of it too but since i'm hitting my 30's i try and give reasonable input or responses.
The PS4 has every advantage at this point.
How ya like that fanboys. This coming from a developer.
Yes, a dev with NO experience on Sony hardware. We should definitely take this dev's word and ignore the FACT that the specs of the two systems say otherwise.
Specs don't matter much. these aren't PCs. But you guys are so quick to believe it when articles say ps4 is more powerful just because of faster RAM.... You guys don't know much about hardware and how all the pieces go together.
Specs matter quite a bit. Otherwise the PS2 could have put out PS4 level games. And it's not JUST faster RAM. It's more RAM that's also faster, as well as more powerful GPU. It's kinda clear you don't know ANYTHING about hardware. Or gaming.