Submitted by Abriael 814d ago | news

Sony’s Shuhei Yoshida Shares Relevant Details on PlayStation Plus Requirement for Multiplayer on PS4

A lot of questions are being asked by the fans on the caveats of the PlayStation Plus requirements for multiplayer with the upcoming PS4, and Sony Worldwide Studio President Shuhei Yoshida provided some straight answers. (PS Vita, PS3, PS4, Shuhei Yoshida)

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xhi4  +   814d ago | Well said
Wow I'm seriously loving Sony's new attitude. This is what makes companies so successful.

Great to hear that there will still be a ton you can do for those that can't afford the $49 a year PS Plus like play Driveclub online, MMOs and free to plays like Planetside 2, Warframe and DC Universe.

He's right, Sony is a company and for them to be sustainable (especially with their current financial predicament) and how they're providing all the new services like Gaikai, sharing video streams live, watching what your friends are doing online etc. that's got to cost an absolute enormous amount.

This is the only business model that for consumers is still a bargain but can still allow Sony to invest heavily into the future of their online infrastructure and features.

EDIT: I'm seriously still excited about the day when Gaikai launches through PS Plus the entire PS1, PS2 & PS3 backlog. That will be EPIC! Smart move purchasing Gaikai.
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Abriael  +   814d ago | Well said
Also, this allows them to sell the console cheaper, giving a lower entry point for those that don't care to play online. Options to pay only for what you actually want are always paramount IMHO.
AngryTypingGuy  +   814d ago | Intelligent
Sony is being straightforward, humble and honest, and it is paying off.
irepbtown  +   814d ago
PS+ is already great, imagine what's in store for us next Gen!!!!

I've never been a fan of paying to play online, however being able to play used games, no DRM (first party games), no need to be connected to the internet all the time etc... I can live with £40 a year for PS+. Sony will return the £40 in the form of games, DLCs, themes, and so on.

I 100% agree with you Abriael, choice is what matters. If you don't give consumers choice, you're doomed.
Ritsujun  +   814d ago
PS+, at the moment, offers 5 to 6 free games per month. That's 60+ free games per year.
Lots of discounts.
1GB cloud storage for PS3, 1GB cloud storage for PSVITA.
Auto firmware/gamepatch update. Auto gamesave upload.
Free themes, free avatars.
Access to closed betas and early demos.
Full game trials.

It seems that PS+ will be offering 3 PS4 games for free (Driveclub's one of them) on PS+ at PS4 launch.
I'm expecting 7 to 8 free games per month after the launch of PS+ on PS4.
C4BL3  +   814d ago
this is exactly what my thoughts were when I read his comments. Really want to go get a PS3 now. I am totally done with M$ and the xbox. Now what to do with my 360..??
AngelicIceDiamond  +   814d ago
Loving Sony.

BISHOP-BRASIL  +   814d ago

If you're really done with 360 (and the same apply for any other current gen system) I advise you to sell it while the value is good, maybe put it torwards pre-order for next gen if you had already made your decision. Once those new consoles are out lots of people will trade in PS3 and 360 and value in bound to decrease... But remember you'll be consoleless 'till next gen releases, so I would only do that if I had another gaming machine (gaming PC, handheld console or another main console), I can't really imagine not gaming for months anymore.
Dee_91  +   814d ago
Do we have to have ps+ on all accounts or just one?
Oner  +   814d ago
@Dmarc ~ Sony has already said you only need 1 PS+ account on your PS4 and ALL other accounts on that system will be able to play online multiplayer for free on top of being able to use that PS+ on/with your PS3 & PSVita. Additionally you DO NOT need PS+ on your PS4 to be able to use things like Netflix, Hulu+, Facebook etc. as it is currently on PS3/PSV.
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guitarded77  +   814d ago
@ Dmarc

Technically, it's just one profile tied to the PS+ account, but with the current set-up on PS3, all accounts on the console can access the PS+ free games.

I assume this will be the same with PS4. As long as the PS+ account is tied to the console, all users on that console should be able to access online and free PS+ games. I'm just speculating, but that's how it works right now.
BattleAxe  +   814d ago
Sony makes perfect sense here. I like how you can not only still use web applications like Netflix and Youtube without the use of PS+, but you can also play Free 2 Play games like Planetside 2, DC Universe online and Dust 514 without PS+, otherwise I guess they wouldn't technically be Free 2 Play. I'm ok with this :)
Ausbo  +   814d ago
i dont know why people have and issue with paying $5 dollars a month on online. Its not really a big deal. Sony is doing the right thing.

Although I don't like all the hypocrisy the psfanboys are showing. The same people who ripped xbox last week for paying to play online.
insomnium2  +   813d ago

Well people are not paying to play online with PS+. It's not the same as xblg has been for years. Do you even know how many games Sony gives us with plus? I am and would continue being a plus member with or without online play included in the pricetag. It's THAT good.

Once you dl the free games they are your forever as long as your membership is paid for. My backlog of games exploded after joining PS+. The games keep piling up and I have no way of playing all of the games I'm interested in (damn you real life). PS+ is just ridiculous in that aspect.
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dedicatedtogamers  +   814d ago
Planetside and DCU are NOT behind the paywall? Yet another megaton, considering that all f2p games on Xbox One require a paid Gold account.
M-M  +   814d ago
That got me as well, I thought you would have to be apart of PS+ since he said multiplayer required it. Big win for Sony.
AmkOwns  +   814d ago
I'm wondering how many system's can be shared with my account
P_Bomb  +   814d ago
You can't even play the free-to-play Doritos Crash Course 2 on an account that doesn't have Gold. Found out yesterday when my daughter was playing on my wife's gamertag and got denied, even though I have Gold on my side and have played the game before.

Just reaffirmed how broken and dated XBL has become when even F2P Doritos shovelware has these paywalls. Disgusting, considering all I need is one PS Plus sub' and every account gets access to every game I download.
Dannycr  +   814d ago
You do have to play PS + to be able to play Planetside and DCU. It's the same as Xbox Liv Gold. The difference is that DCU and Planetside 2 don't charge any monthly/yearly fee like WOW.

DCU is currently Free to play in PSN, meaning, ZERO charges at all and you can get it even if you dont have PS Plus
wishingW3L  +   814d ago
and those are not the only ones. There are many more F2P games like:


Blacksite Retribution
dedicatedtogamers  +   814d ago
@ Dannycr

No, you do not have to have PS+ for those. Yoshida says:

"there will be some free to play titles that you’ll be able to play without needing a PS Plus subscription, like PlanetSide 2 and DC Universe Online."
P_Bomb  +   814d ago

no, Planetside and DCUO will *not* require PS Plus. From the article:

[QUOTE]...there will be some free to play titles that you’ll be able to play without needing a PS Plus subscription, like PlanetSide 2 and DC Universe Online.[/QUOTE]
Dark_Eternal  +   814d ago
Yeah, not very "free to play" on XBL, are they?
Cam977  +   814d ago
'While direct competition in real time won’t be possible [without PS Plus] for instance in the case of DriveClub, asynchronous online gameplay and receiving data from other players will still be free of charge.'

So we can still sign in and sync trophies etc...? YES! This is brilliant, at least it doesn't block us from our account when our subscription voids.

Moreover, it's brilliant that they've made it so F2P games don't need a subscription. The BONE does. Sony just keep on beating them.
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HammadTheBeast  +   814d ago
You can do all the online challenges and races of Driveclub, the only thing locked is direct head to head MP.
yugovega  +   814d ago
wait so for years sony gamers and fans have bashed ms gamers for having to "pay to play" and using that as a reason to say the xb360 was ripping gamers off. now sony does it and it makes great business sense and the gamers praise them for it? are people serious right now?

edit: like giving away free games just like xb announced they will be doing? at least you get party chat with xb. having to pay to play multiplayer is crazy. i already pay for my internet why pay more to play a feature thats made into my game? and people complain about on disc dlc well this is just the same.

at least one company still thinks it's ok to not charge their customers to play online.
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Temporary  +   814d ago
Do you not realize how completely different PS+ is from XBLG??

Are you just pretending to be clueless?? Because what Sony are doing is not NEARLY the same. Do research then edit your comment, you still have time.
WitWolfy  +   814d ago
I'm not really seeing PSN+ as a way to play online, but rather a way to get free games,auto updates, massive discounts and early access to betas.

So all and all to pay an admission fee to get all these benefits sure is worth it to me.
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FamilyGuy  +   814d ago
I bet Netflicks and all the other apps are still available without PS+, unlike Xbox Live. They placed online play behind a pay wall (and only online play) but with great incentives. I knew there had to be some drawback to that share feature and all the other things they're incorporating (ex: "virtual pass the pad"). They added so much so they placed it all as PS+ features. They are all related to online gaming.

I'm already a PS+ subscriber, got mine when they were giving an extra 3 months free with the one year purchase while simultaneously giving $10 back PSN credit for ever $50 spent on the PS Store. Win. I'm still not "happy" that they did this though. It's cool that free to play games will remain free and it's publishers choice for other MMOs but I won't pretend this isn't the one negative thing about the PS4. It is.
NukaCola  +   814d ago
Sony releasing day one titles like Driveclub for free to PS+ members is nothing like the original 360 giving Halo 3 and AC2(2 old $10 games). On top of that this deal is just until the Xbone launches. You aren't going to get Forza 5 for free or anything less than full price and then some.
Aceman18  +   814d ago
but with plus gamers were already getting free games per month from the off.

i know it sucks to pay now, but i think this concession seem reasonable because they could have easily went the route microsoft did and then we'd all be f**ked.

does this not seem reasonable for you it is for me even though it sucks now to pay to play?
PsnGammer21  +   814d ago
Well here's the thing m$ is charging you extra to play FTP games even though they are free they making you pay 68 dollars or more to watch your Netflix Hulu plus ect where as Sony never has made you pay extra to use the streaming service also they give away 22 if I'm correct might be 20 but 20 games away free that's included three different systems compared to what does m$ live do for ya nothing but make u pay out the ass and not give you something in return oh also does it give you exsclusive hour long trials or discounts that range from 10% to 75% off no m$ doesn't because they Sony

(If you want to correct anything I said will glady accept the criticism.)
resi5  +   814d ago
Party chat will be on ps4 and xbl free games like killer instinct where you get ONE character and pay for the rest or games like ac2 and halo 3 which came out YEARS ago
ShwankyShpanky  +   814d ago
>> like giving away free games just like xb announced they will be doing?

Free this month for XBL
Halo 3: Sept 2007
Assassin's Creed 2: Nov 2009

Free this month for PS+
XCOM Enemy Unknown: Oct 2012
Uncharted 3: Nov 2011
(that's just the full retail games. other indie games free as well)

And if I recall correctly, they said XBL will only get those two free games a month UNTIL the Xbone launch.

>>at least you get party chat with xb

PS4 will have party chat. PS3 does not, but multiplayer is still free (and will stay free).
sevilha82  +   814d ago
I have xblive Gold for years and even i know at this point it´s miles way from plus,don´t be that troll.
yugovega  +   814d ago
it isn't being a troll. for people to not see a problem with them changing it up when all they talked "out games are free to play online" is crazy. it's like it's fine to pay to play as long as sony says it is. i'll go with nintendo who still thins online is in my purchase price.
hazardman  +   814d ago
Yeah but the thing is that even without PS+ you can still game online. Now im not bashing Xbl as i support both PSN and Xbl. I also commend MS for atleast changing things up. 2 free games a month is a start but PSN has overtaken Live with more features and not having everything behind paywall.
Pillsbury1  +   814d ago
You are seriously delusional if you think xbl is like ps plus. I have a hard drive FULL of games because I pay 50$ a year, you get the right to play online. BIG difference there.
BLKxSEPTEMBER  +   814d ago
Don't bother trying, their all hypocrites...
cell989  +   814d ago
Yeah after 8 fucking years they decide to start giving free games. I'm sick and tired of "but it has cross game chat" is that really worth $60 a year? Cross game chat, Netflix permission and online play for fucking $60 a year GTFO. + gives you so much more freebies and all kinds of discounts for less than that
Yodagamer  +   814d ago
There is still a huge value difference with psn plus with psn right now if you pay 60$ you instantly can get 190$ worth of content on the ps3 alone, if you have the vita (another 180$ worth of content) or ps4 it's even more.
ufo8mycat  +   814d ago
yuogovega. GOLD is pretty much the same service that PSN is, except you pay for it.

Paying for PS+ for PS4 is much different because its actually WORTH the $$$$.
NateCole  +   814d ago
This is the best way to entice People to go for subscription. Make it the best deal that gamers can't refuse lol!
Tdmd  +   814d ago
I'm still confused. He says you have to pay for multiplayer, but don't have to play for DCU? How does that makes any sense, isn't DCU multiplayer only? And what about FFXIV, which is a mmo like DCU? You'll have to pay to play this one, so what is the criteria being used here?
I'm among the minority who never got plus (even after being with ps3 since the begining of the generation), but I guess I'll have to sign up on ps4 for FFXIV alone, since I very seldomly touch multiplayer.

That sucks for me, but all in all, I'm still very happy and excited about the ps4!
rdgneoz3  +   814d ago
With FFXIV, the devs have been saying they're gonna be in talks with Sony once they get home from E3 to discuss things. Seeing as the game will have a monthly fee, they might try to get it to go the path of Warframe(F2P) and DCUO (F2P with optional subs) - no PS+ requirement needed to play online.

If they can, it'll be nice for gamers so you're not having to pay 2 fees to play online. Also the fact that you're suppose to be able to transition from the PS3 version to the PS4 version when it releases, so why need to have PS+ to play online for something you didn't need to months before.
Tdmd  +   814d ago

Wow, that'd be pretty great if true! I'd hate to have to pay two seperate fees just for one game (and I think it'd hurt it's debut on ps4) but if FFXIV is just as good as I think it'll be, I'd end up doing it anyway. At least for a while...
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Kaneda  +   814d ago
DCU is Free to play MMO. As you play you pay for items or upgrades within the game.

But if you buy BF4 or COD for $60, you will have to pay $5 dollars a month to play online version of it.
DVAcme  +   814d ago
I understand that you might have apprehension on having to pay for multiplayer, that is honestly inevitable. But it's also inevitable that Sony adopt this model, since they need to be able to get some stable revenue to be able to offer such great value for your money. Charging for multiplayer is a way for them to compensate the low price of the system and the revenue needed to maintain the online infrastructure, and it's the option that offers the best balance between a good revenue for Sony and good value for your money.

I'm amazed you've been with Sony since the beginning and not have PS+, though, since it really does reward subscribers for their loyalty. While the free games rotate per month and eventually become unavailable, as long as you "buy" them(i.e. you check them for download, securing them on your account), they're available permanently for download even if you erase them from your HDD. If you had been with PS+ from the beginning, you'd have DOZENS of games by now, both for PS3 and Vita. Even if you don't play multiplayer, PS+ is an amazing service.
gintoki777  +   814d ago
I know for alot of people (not me) who play COD online who want to switch to Ps4 are concerned with whether or not the quality of the online play will be comparable. So I wonder if Sony is using this subscription money to improve quality of service.
WeedyOne  +   814d ago
The quality of online play (as in the connection) on the ps3 has been the same or better than 360's for a while, the only real difference has been that you get cross game chat with xbox live and a lot of free games with ps+.
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Virtual_Reality  +   814d ago
That comes more from 3rd Party Devs servers.

P2P servers always have issues in all platforms, including PC.
joeorc  +   814d ago
You will need it to enjoy online multiplayer.
This will also depend on the judgement by the publishers, and there will be some free to play titles that you’ll be able to play without needing a PS Plus subscription, like PlanetSide 2 and DC Universe Online.

see that , right there even with a payway, you can still play Multi-player for free, without playstation Plus required. That is why i am glad Atleast not all gaming online will cost the consumer...this is a big + for me, i love DCUniverse, and that my fried is exactly why i will be still purchase the PS4. Force paying for playstation Plus is not outright forced for me because if its free to play , than there is a good chance no PSN+ will be required.
Jazz4108  +   814d ago
Also both ms and sony have said that drm is up to the publishers. You will have no pr problem trading in ps games or xb games as long as they are first partys. Ms and sony are sure given then publishers alot of control ovrr there systems. I also full expext gold as ms has said to be completley revamped and the free games to continue. Now if only ms would get rid of the online check ins and giving games to friends more then one time everyone would be happy. Nahh they still will find something to knock there non system of choice.
CGI-Quality  +   814d ago
VERY well put, my friend! Much respect. :)
UnHoly_One  +   814d ago
I'm not trying to start an argument here, but I am shocked by how many people just love everything that Sony does no matter what it is.

You can't read one story on this webpage without somebody making of Xbox charging for online multiplayer, but as soon as Sony does it, it's allright?

I just don't get this mindset of blind loyalty to Sony.

Before you blindly attack me and give me 40 disagrees, at least reply to me and tell me why, because I'm honestly confused.

Also, just FYI, I have both consoles now, I'll be buying both new consoles, and I already pay for both subscription services, so I'm about as impartial as they come, my only real big "preference" between the two is that I like one controller better than the other.
McScroggz  +   814d ago
Well what exactly are we supposed to reply to you about? Blind Sony fans? Sure. And there are blind Xbox fans as well as blind Nintendo fans. And even if we agreed that before E3 there were more blind Sony fans, what we are seeing now is an out pour of gratitude for not participating in anti consumer acts and a focus on gamers.

The one bad thing is you have to buy PS+ to play multiplayer games. I don't like it. But PS+ is such an incredible deal, especially once the PS4 launches and we will be getting brand new or very new games. Also, at least some F2P games aren't behind the paywall and we'll get a fairly close to complete DriveClub? It's just not smart to pass over PS+ in my opinion.

It not only pays for itself, but is actively saving money constantly.
Revolver_X_  +   814d ago
Not saying you are, but all butthurt xbots can say is what you said about ps plus. Yea, it does suck. At least ps plus has value. All the things plus offers pays for the $50 a year. It sucks to pay to play online. What else you got? Every Sony fan should admit it sux just to stroke every xbots ego? Im sorry but a forced plus account i can live with. MS's anti consumer policies is something I cannot.
UnHoly_One  +   814d ago
No I'm not a "butthurt xbot" by any means, I'm not even criticizing Sony or anything like that.

I am glad they are doing this, quite honestly, because I hope it will result in them making more money and improving PSN.

I just don't get the flip-flop. I'm not saying that I would expect everyone to say "Pay for multiplayer? Screw Sony AND MS, I'll just stick with Nintendo".

I never expected that, but I'm shocked by the amount of excuses being given for why it's good, after all the negative stuff I've seen pointed in the Xbox direction for years now.

It's just very hypocritical, and even though I realize fanboys will be fanboys, it still has managed to shock me.
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b3ast  +   814d ago
I Don't like I have to pay for play online but that's my only minus about the ps4 - everything else beat the xb1 IMO. and I love to play on consoles but wiiu got nothing so I will get ps4 anyway.
scheme_a  +   814d ago
I can only speak for myself, but I've never criticized MS for their paid multiplayer. I thought of free multiplayer for PS3 as a plus, but I didn't think MS' policy was bad considering you would get better online services.

And you can see even in this thread a few people who are not happy about this change, so it's not like everyone is suddenly being defensive.
If you read through blogs and other threads, there are many people who aren't entirely happy about it, but reluctantly accept it too.
raWfodog  +   814d ago

I can't speak for anyone else but I'm not happy that I will have to pay for multiplayer now on PS4. However, even with paying for it now, you can still see the value in PS+ that Gold never had.

My problem with Gold was that it was necessary for EVERYTHING, even Netflix and Hulu. PS+ (on PS3) was leaps and bound ahead of Gold (on 360) in terms of value.

Now, with PS4, PS+ is still ahead on value even while being required for multiplayer (in some cases). You do not need it for Netflix, Hulu, and the FTP games like Planetside, DCUO, etc. Still gives some nice free games every month. I know MS just announced that you will only need one Gold sub to allow all the accounts on that box to play multiplayer (good move on their part) but Sony announced that straight out the gate.

Once again, I'm not happy at all that I have to pay for my multiplayer now but at least I'll still be getting tons of freebies to take away the sting of it. I've never paid for Gold because I saw no need for it. I paid for PS+ for the freebies and extra value. Now it will be required for PS4 but I will still be getting greater value over Gold.
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UnHoly_One  +   814d ago
All good responses, I can't argue with any of that.

Thanks for everyone's honesty!
sAVAge_bEaST  +   814d ago
I know you are just Reputation Management for microsoft, and your just doing your job.


PS+ is a great way to play games you would never buy.. they give 2-3 games for free, plus some AAA,..Deus Ex, last week,. Uncharted 3 next week, Little Big Planet Racers, the week after. Plus the money they will make, will go back into the network.
iceman06  +   814d ago
I think that the jagged little pill of paying for multiplayer in the new generation is smoothed somewhat by the structure of PS+. It's not just dedicated to providing "features" and locking content. It's really focused on games. I've been a member of Plus for a year and in that time I have gotten several PS3, PS one, PSN, and PS Vita games for little to absolutely nothing. It's a way to discover new little PSN titles that you might not have wanted to try AND provide some of those gems that you might have had to skip due to simultaneous launches or just skepticism.
Also, if this provides a means to make sure that pubs keep DRM away from the console and beef up the features of PSN...that's good for me.
nosferatuzodd  +   814d ago
this is why im a Sony fan period
they give us what we want, the guy even apologize to the fans for charging for ps plus Now thats respect
Well done Sony well done
strifeblade  +   814d ago
paying to play online for xbox was negative...

Paying to play online with sony= awesomeness and excitement?

No body remembers that paying to play online is not cool because we use our own connection? What im paying sony 50-60$ a year for the share button?

If memory serves correctly i was paying msoft 60$ a year for party chat?- oh wait that was a ripoff because i was using my connection and party chat sux, who needs it?

I love the double standard that exists on this site, Sony fanboys need to understand that msoft paved the way to pay to play online and sony is following suite. No body is even a little bit angry? Well congratulations sony, no we know you love gamers and you love money- but mostly u love gamers right? LMAO
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Coltrane_C  +   814d ago
Go compare PS+ to XBLG
a_squirrel  +   814d ago
You paid Xbox Live for onlnie access on ALL of their products, getting live did not remove ads, and you could also download demos.

Xbox Live will be getting two free games in november, so it'll at least be worth $10 more.
(Assassin's Creed 2 and Halo 3)

But, who doesn't have Halo 3?!
strifeblade  +   814d ago
well ok i think we generally know the comparisons- msoft just announced 2 free games a month with gold so that seewtens the deal.

But Ps+ just announced that its a necessity to pay play online- correct me if i'm wrong but things just got a little sour. But Fans are jumping up and parading? The same fans who said " i would never support a system that requires you to pay to play online" hypocrisy at its finest.

Ads dont stop you from doing everything you love on xbox- if anything it makes the dashboard more lively- ads have shown me countless movie trailers that i was actually interested in. What makes you think sony wont follow suite- i mean you are paying to play online on ps4 lol
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raWfodog  +   814d ago
Like I said in an earlier post:

I'm not speaking for anybody else but I've never thought it was cool to pay for just multiplayer access. And I'm still not happy that I have to pay for PS4 multiplayer now. But I think even a Gold user can tell how much more value it gives over Gold and I think that is what people are praising.
FFXI101  +   814d ago
Is not double standard, I believe most fans, gamers would prefer continue to play online for free, which is the case with Vita and PS3. Nothing is changed.

Lots 360 gamer always say that xbobx live is way better for online games, I used to own both consoles and I never really notice any big difference between the PSN and XBL, if anything I think some of us should be happy now that Sony starting to require People to purchase plus in order to play online, cause I'd assume by charge monthly fee they should provide an even better online Service to the consumers.
travelguy2k  +   814d ago
Think about it this way:

How many Xbox 360 owners would pay for XBLGold if it was not required for online play and only gave you party chat. I think the answer would be close to 0.

How many current PS+ subscribers are there? (really how many, couldn't find a number on a quick google search).

All i know is that even without multiplayer online play as a benefit there are millions (probably) happy to pay the fee because of all the benefits it has in it current state.

I do not believe any PlayStation user is "happy" Sony has now made PS+ a requirement* for online play, they are simply rationalizing all that you get for that subscription vs XBox Live Gold is much higher and possibly justifies the cost.
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strifeblade  +   814d ago
Think about it this way. The psn players that that dont have psn+ enjoy playing online for free- NOW sony forces these players to pay 50$-60$ to access online "but dont worry here is plenty of free stuff to come with it." These psn players are like how is it free?- you forced me to buy psn+ to access online now and im paying 50-60$ for this free stuff i dont even want. All i want is to play online for free just like before. Sony says "too bad"

So this is the picture im staring. Xbox live gold just announced an improvement to their service at the conference and a cloud system thats supposedly unmatched by sony (we will just have to wait and see for ourselves) but if it turns out to be true- then gold just got a lot better.
Virtual_Reality  +   814d ago
The 2 games on Xbox Live only will last until November, is not a new feature added in Xbox Live Gold.

PS+ is way more valuable than Xbox Live. That is why PS Fans and PS Fanboys are not going crazy about it, PS+ gives free games, early beta access, discounts and sometimes major discounts, free trials, and other features that Xbox Live don't have.
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kidalot  +   814d ago
I get where Sony are coming from, but I don't want any extra stuff I don't even care about share feature and the dvr stuff, i understand this is suppose to be good value for money but its not stuff I personally want.

Alll I want is bog standard online play, I will NEVER pay for this. I will be voting with my wallet and hopefully stop moaning about it, I really wsh others did the same but I guess I'm in the minority here. For me It's either continue giving £6 to charity or pay for ps plus....hmmm...?

It's the gamers, mainly Xbox gamers, who made online fees acceptable and we have the ability to change things. At least with a PC I can check out destininy and Titan fall (depending on subscription fees)
pimpschitz  +   814d ago
What I like most is how they treat the customers. Not to say that XB are a bunch of brigands trying to steal our wallets. . . Did I just say that?

XB presents loyalty to customers, and f**ks them when their back is turned.

Sony is upfront about the f**king, which seems to pain us less in the long run. Be honest, let us know what we are dealing with, it makes the flu-shot all better once it's over.
TAURUS-555  +   814d ago
thanks sony for your incredible customer care. you really know what we what.
LAZL0-Panaflex  +   814d ago
They were slick. A million bux says they decided to charge for online when those xbox1 leaked documents came out revealing the drm stuff. And Sony knew there would be a lot of "upset" fans out there who are accustomed to paying for online and here's a nice new shiny console without all the unreasonable restrictions.. Sony fan boys like myself aren't thrilled with paying for online but the 12 free games a year will keep us happy.

Now hear this Sony....don't gimp out PS+, lose updates or speed them up, instant trophy syncs, and 360 like headset/controller hook up, and finally remember us the gamer because every dog has its day.
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THE-COMMANDER  +   814d ago
I agree with you.

Also im pretty sure this will enhance the multiplayer experience than before.
showtimefolks  +   814d ago
after the arrogance with ps3 launch, its just amazing how down to earth sony has been in last 3-5 years. PS4 is a day one buy for sure and can't wait to get my free copy of Drive Club
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miDnIghtEr20C_SfF  +   814d ago
Of course you're loving something that used to be free. The whole Sony crowd stood up and cheered as they were told there was no DRM at the same time a picture in the background showed they were getting back doored by having to pay to play online.

Every single Sony fanboy used to give crap to MS fanboys about having to pay just to play online.

And now just like that... it's ok to pay. Sony is so great!
s45gr32  +   814d ago
Another way to save costs would be to let consumers do a little bit of the groundwork I. e. offer something similar to green light and early beta access. I like the old model of having to play online for free with all the other stuff as gravy for a charge. Now so basically is possible to play online games for free via peer to peer servers and free to play games right. Umm I also wanted to know why not let gamers run their own servers it also saves them time and money. It has worked for PC since 1995.
majiebeast  +   814d ago
Wow Planetside 2 and DC not behind the paywall. Thats good news so those are day 1 games you can play without any subs.

"I apologize for the financial burden on our users, but on PS4 it’ll also provide early access to beta versions, free games and discounts like on PS3 and PS Vita. In addition to that PS Plus members will receive for free a special edition with slightly reduced functions of DriveClub."

He knows people dont like it so he says we apologize's for it, here is more free stuff for the same price you are already paying. For the people wondering Driveclub on PS+ will only have less tracks and cars the rest is same as retail.
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Abriael  +   814d ago
IMHO that was pretty much a given and a smart business decision. It's in Sony's interest to have as many people as possible playing those, as their business model is based on selling cash shop items. The more people = the more sales.
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majiebeast  +   814d ago
Yeah go tell that to Microsoft with Happy Wars and Ascend new gods. Also other F2P games like Warframe,blacklight and other seem to be able to by pass the psplus sub i think the same for XIV and elder scrolls.
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RiPPn  +   814d ago
Microsoft doesn't seem to understand that with games like Happy Wars and Tank World sitting behind the paywall.

Edit: oops beaten by majiebeast
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Abriael  +   814d ago
@Majiebeast: I think for pay to play games like FFXIV it'll be up to the publishers to get together with Sony and strike a deal so that they can share profits somehow and have either PS plus or the game's subscription only.
MrRacketyLoki  +   814d ago
Can you confirm your DriveClub statement? Did the developers come out and state that? I was wondering what he meant by "slightly reduced functions". Hopefully it's not a significant change. It would be understandable though considering it's a free launch title. If it's watered down by offering less tracks and cars then i wouldn't mind, but if the graphic fidelity is hampered then...that would probably be a problem.
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b3ast  +   814d ago
I still wish it was optional as I don't care for drive Club, I hate indie games and all the games I like which comes on ps+ I already got so I think It's wasted Money for nothing, they should make some kind of package deals if you want the games you pay that if you online want online access pay 3$ a month or something like that...
The_KELRaTH  +   813d ago
I'm also concerned that this is just step 1 of what will likely end up a very expensive format for the future.

The free PS+ games are nice but it's worth remembering that console gamers already pay a lot more for games than the higher quality PC alternative - so free is really more like paid for through other means.

I suspect it won't be too long before the next reveal will be the new PS+ "4" pricing!
yewles1  +   814d ago
So from what I gather here, not all online multiplayer requires PS+. GREAT!!!
JohnS1313  +   814d ago
But everyone should get PS Plus anyway. It's the price of one game a year and you'll get a bunch of free games.
first1NFANTRY  +   814d ago
I'll definitely get PS+ at some point shortly after launch but the option to do so for others is still great. Sony rules!
fredrikpedersen  +   814d ago
and also, significant discount on games
DVAcme  +   814d ago
EXACTLY, right on the money! For the price of one game you get loads of them for both PS4 and Vita, save on your future purchases through discounts and bundles, get access to a lot of DLC for free, play betas of upcoming games, 1-hour trial full games... The benefits are just so many. You really need to be severely blinded by fanboyism to not see how PS+ is superior to XBox Live in terms of sheer bang for your buck.
JohnS1313  +   814d ago
"You really need to be severely blinded by fanboyism to not see how PS+ is superior to XBox Live in terms of sheer bang for your buck."

Is Microsoft starting to do that now though? What was that they just did with giving away some 360 games? Is that going to happen on the Xbox One too?
hkgamer  +   814d ago
pretty much every game will require PS+... probably the only games that dont need it are SOE mmo games.
Gravitic  +   814d ago
Things like COD, Killzone, The Division and all those type of games will require PS+. F2Ps by in large wont be behind a paywall.
N4Flamers  +   814d ago
Wrong. Im mostly a single player guy. You can own a ps4 and play single players games. One of the things I like about sony is that they have exclusive games with good single player. God of war, the uncharted series, the infamous series, heavy rain, andthe up coming the last of us and beyond two souls. There are more but you get the picture.
hkgamer  +   814d ago

I obviously meant for online games
N4Flamers  +   814d ago
@hkgamer you said pretty much every game, I was just reminding you that there are plenty of games that don't require online multiplayer. If thats not what you meant then your original statement is redundant.
hkgamer  +   813d ago

we all know every game is pushing mu;tiplayer... even tomb raider has multiplayer. so if you havent got plus then you wont have fulll access to the whole game.

I know alot of games have single player, i only play single player games and barely play online. My original statement was in reply to this statement "So from what I gather here, not all online multiplayer requires PS+. GREAT!!!" not sure if he is being sarcastic but I just mentioned that pretty much every online multiplayer game needs plus. the only ones that have been confirmed to not need it are SOE mmo games and I guess (not confirmed) pay monthly MMO like FF.

Cant really see how my first statement is redundant
N4Flamers  +   813d ago
sorry I didnt know you were replying to that comment, I thought because of the way your comment was positioned that you were just making a statement.

OT: I dont like paying for online either, but even games with multiplayer are enjoyable without it. I can honestly say I had the opportunity to play uncharted, the assassins creed series, bioshock2, and probably more offline. I dont feel like I missed anything.

what i meant about the redundant comment is at first it sounds like youre talking about every game, but then you say online games. Yeah why wouldnt they. Im just saying there are plenty of offline single player games, I didnt even mention the third party ones.
joeorc  +   814d ago
yupper's, i think that shows Sony did not really want to charge for it but with the extra burden, they really had no choice, free to play multi-play online games will be a god send for Sony i would imagine, because even without a sub. forced you can still play multi-player for free online with a playstation 4
McScroggz  +   814d ago
Well, I assume all online multiplayer games will require PS+. However, F2P games seem like they will not, at least usually. Planetside 2 and DCUO are Sony owned and published, so that might be a reason they can afford to not put the games behind a paywall.

Regardless, PS+ is such an awesome deal I'd suggest everybody who gets a PS4 subscribe even if they don't plan on playing multiplayer often.
zombie-fun544  +   814d ago
hey if ps+ give me free games i'm okay
xhi4  +   814d ago
I know right,

And this be bad to admit as a gamer, but I wanted to play sleeping dogs, BAM i got it free on ps plus, I wanted to play hitman absolution, BAM i got to play it free on ps plus, I really really wanted to play Ico & Shadow of the Collosus, and BAM free on ps plus as well as a fair few more including some cool indie titles.

Love the service, and if they continue it and continue to expand I'm all in!
JohnS1313  +   814d ago
I have a huge list of games I never bought and got free on PS Plus. And I still haven't played them. Right now you could buy a PS3 or Vita and have a good collection of free games. Buy the console and PS Plus and that's all.
BigPappaPump  +   814d ago
STOP IT!!! I'm so jealous of you having the two of three games I missed for being late grrrr. Fortunately I caught many sales dirt cheap. Games I wouldn't consider buying like RE6 for a little under fifteen bucks during the spring sale and I just picked up Dishonored for 21 bucks! Should I get Borderlands 2 which is 20 dollars for this week or wait for the GOTY version? I can't and won't argue with you that plus is the shit!
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asmith2306  +   814d ago
Exactly. The reason I buy PS+ is because I want to and I want to because it's an unbelievable offer for money. My 320GB HDD has ran out of space four times since I got PS+. Having it as a requirement to play online is completely transparent to me and for anyone who is not on it yet will only reap the benefits when they join. I can't understand the complaints. Clearly they don't understand just how good PS+ is.
Majin-vegeta  +   814d ago
Sounds like you need this mi amigo.
Corpser  +   814d ago
So now people like "Free" drm games that are locked to your account and you can't trade in or lend to friends, hmm
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nosferatuzodd  +   814d ago
CorpserSo now people like "Free" drm games that are locked to your account and you can't trade in or lend to friends, hmm

Dude its free why would you want to lend something that every one can just go to psn and get 4 free are you serious damn xbox fanboys are really catching after straws man
first1NFANTRY  +   814d ago
Yes!!! Planetside 2 and other MMO's will be FREE TO PLAY WITHOUT PS+. Like I needed more reason to buy this beauty. Can't wait.
joeorc  +   814d ago
I know, here it is right after their unvailing, and Sony A: a very important Question, and its not as bad as many thought it would be. Now we find out not all games will require ps+ for online multi-playing gaming.

Planet side 2 is a new game coming to playstation game consoles and DCUnivers also is a great game on the PS3 already, and since dust is also free to play that most likely will follow suit. the fact that not all multi-plaer online games will require playstation Plus is a very big benefit.
Why o why  +   814d ago
Plus has always been better for gamers. I'm not happy with the paywall even thought I've been a plus subscriber since its launch. I will continue to pay for plus. I just feel for those who don't have that extra cash to maintain their subscription.
vigilante_man  +   814d ago
Brilliant News!

It makes perfect sense. Is Sony the new Father Christmas? They are making all the right moves this week. Free to Play was worrying me when I heard about PS+ & PS4 multiplayer.

Free to play is free on PS4! Whether you own a 360, PS3 or wii you can't deny just how cool Sony are these days. Way to sock it to those greedy publishers.

We owe them so much for our freedom to game how we want.
Abriael  +   814d ago
Haha, I don't think they're the new Santa. They're a company that has learned to make good business decisions :D

Customer satisfaction often is a better policy than greed.
dboyman  +   813d ago
I agree. But now I'm worried that with Sony catering more to customer satisfaction instead of those "greedy publishers" that there might be repercussions, like Xbox One getting more preferential treatment by publishers, like EA. Hope that does not happen.
Redrever  +   814d ago
lets not forget that SONY has a rewards program that may be an option to give out more free stuff i was in the program for 3 months but thay took it down because of high demand of something better then what the program offered witch was PSN avatars and premium themes but they switched it to PS+ witch is still a greal deal. but it also means that they can't bring it back.
rdgneoz3  +   814d ago
I was in the beta program as well. Got a few nice avatars and was sent an irl T-Shirt for participating in it.
Redrever  +   814d ago
those t-shirts was sweet i didn't recieve one but it was a pretty cool 3 months. still got my avatars and themes XD
FFXI101  +   814d ago
Yeah, same here. I was in it and got the thank you card and t-shirt plus free avatars from them. I hope Sony would start the reward program again for the PS4 gamers.
badkolo  +   814d ago
Not bad at all, liking this news
Hadoukameha  +   814d ago
I hate virtually mandatory PS+ BUT if they quit playing favorites by giving EU everything good on PS+, and do a great job, no slacking, I'll reluctantly accept.
Majin-vegeta  +   814d ago
Both sides get shafted every now and then.So i guess it's fair.
Hadoukameha  +   814d ago
True, and at least PS+ is superior to Gold, even at its worst...
kingPoS  +   814d ago
Wait! did he just say DC Universe is coming to PS4?
Abriael  +   814d ago
yep, that has been known for a while.
joeorc  +   814d ago
@ kingPoS
yupper's and So is planet side 2, and even on the PS4 those Multi-player online games will still be free no PSN+ requirement! to play them.


"Everything is sounding great so far, but there is one thing that has me wondering. Do online social features such as friends and messqaging require PS+? It's cool to play Warframe for free, but would I still be able to have a friends list to go along with it? "

No, you can Msg to your friends without needing Plus, hell even on playstation Home you can cross game chat on Playstation Home games! but that cross voice chat /party chat only works inside playstation Home. with the PS4 the entire playstation network will have access to cross voice/party chat without requiring ps+ because the PSVita already has it without requiring Ps+
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r21  +   814d ago
Still iffy bout this but getting free games make it kinda worth it, I suppose.
MRMagoo123  +   814d ago
you get loads of free games every single month, you actually get more back than you pay.
rdgneoz3  +   814d ago
LBP karting, UC 3, Dues ex:revolution, xcom:enemy unknown, and machinarium just got added and I'm sure they're more than the price of a sub for 1 year.
sAVAge_bEaST  +   814d ago
you get free AAA games every week, plus smaller games.

Last Tue. -Deus Ex

Next Tue. Uncharted 3

Following Tue. Little Big Planet Racers.

all 3 - I would have never bought, now I will Play them free.
Gravitic  +   814d ago
except you dont keep the best ones.
MoonWheel  +   814d ago
I would like it to be free, but they at least came out and gave us honest answers. Helk he even apologized for it. I respect their decision and will purchase ps +. At least you can make your money back and more with the deals you get. Also, it's definitely better than getting an Xbox (d)one. Sony keep up the great work and I will gladly continue supporting you.
M-M  +   814d ago
Everything is sounding great so far, but there is one thing that has me wondering. Do online social features such as friends and messqaging require PS+? It's cool to play Warframe for free, but would I still be able to have a friends list to go along with it?
scheme_a  +   814d ago
I highly doubt it. I think they said not all the online functions are tied to PS+. I think you can still browse web, access NetFlix, etc etc, so I think that's part of free functions.
Sharius  +   814d ago
i think he clearly said only multiplayer function will be put behind paywall, all of the other things are outside that wall, incluse some of F2P game

and you still receive other player information (maybe something like leader board) in game even if you aren't plus member

correct me if my information is wrong
MoonConquistador  +   814d ago
I think even MS would find it difficult making you pay just for having a friends list and receiving messages though they might be exploring the option lol.

No, you won't need PS+ for those basic features
Rip-Ridah  +   814d ago
Many mmo's have their own dedicated friends lists. DC Universe Online PS3/PC has its own dedicated friends list & custom written/vocal social messaging system. For example, I can shout to all Heroes in my particular PvE or PvP phase through written message; I can have voice chat or written chat with the raid group I'm in; I can send private in game "tells" to any person in my hero/villain faction; I can create my own personal chat channel and invite who I want & how ever many I want to said chat (written or spoken) channel. I truly wouldn't worry about communication in some of these mmo's. Trust me.
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wishingW3L  +   814d ago
okay, now this is cool. I was against the PS+ fee for multiplayer but when reading the explanation about why they need to charge and the stuff you can still get without having to pay the fee then I can't argue against it. In fact, everything sounds amazing!

"You will need it to enjoy online multiplayer.
This will also depend on the judgement by the publishers, and there will be some free to play titles that you’ll be able to play without needing a PS Plus subscription, like PlanetSide 2 and DC Universe Online."
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Karpetburnz  +   814d ago
Also you can access all media apps like Netflix if you choose not to pay for PS+, unlike Xbox.
Tatsuya  +   814d ago
SONY, my allegiance to you never did waver and I'm glad you know what we need!
Now that's how you take care of your customers Microsoft, there was no avoiding to answer any questions. It was complete and honest answers. My respect for SONY can't be any higher, it's at maximum.
Azurite  +   814d ago
RSI Class II Space Suit
Maybe we'll see it used on PS4 one day? ;)
Tatsuya  +   814d ago
damn right buddy! Star Citizen needs to be on PS4. Chris, let's make it happen :)
seanpitt23  +   814d ago
I will pay for ps+ because I like to support companies like Sony who care for there customers
InFamous__  +   814d ago
duh! unlike the competition.... cough cough MS cough...
Martywren  +   814d ago
Wat would be more good news if sony sell $5.00 pre-paid PS+ cards at your local store.
GentlemenRUs  +   814d ago
They do over here in the UK, So prepare for them ;)
Xian  +   814d ago
My problem with paying for PS+ is that there are four gamers in my family - that's and additional $200 a year for something we used to get for free, and one of the main reasons we went with the PS3 over the 360.

I know that bandwidth and running and maintaining servers is costly so I understand their reasons for the fee, but it is a pretty high cost for a family - half the price of a new PS4 every year in my case just so my family can game online.
PirateThom  +   814d ago
I thought I read as long as one person has PS+ everyone on the console can play online, up to 4 anyway. Unless you mean different consoles, then I don't know.
Xian  +   814d ago
Thanks, I hadn't read that - I assumed it was going to be like XBox Live where it was per account, not per machine.
Grindlefly  +   814d ago
from what i read you will only need one account with plus to all enjoy multiplayer
Sharius  +   814d ago
if you have 4 gamers and share the same console then cool, you need only 1 plus account to support the other 3, not only they can go online but also they can use your IGC without any restriction

if each member have their own console then you just need 2 plus account

share your plus account with other member so they can log you account to their console and let it staty there then switch to thier account, unfortunately each account can only share to 2 other console so the one left have to buy the plus himself
Azurite  +   814d ago
Unless you buy four PS4s this won't be a problem.

It also depends on the publishers on whether or not the game requires PS+.
scheme_a  +   814d ago
You only need one account in your console to have the network service and it will be good for the rest of the accounts you have.
PirateThom  +   814d ago
It is shocking that even the only potential down side of the PS4 is being handled in a completely unobtrusive way. They are also being straight forward and honest. No confusion or mixed messages.

Sony can seemingly do no wrong right now.
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vigilante_man  +   814d ago
I never did understand the MS Gold Live service..

You get all non-gaming internet connection free and also get to play some free to play games (free meaning FREE) on PS4. No extra costs for netflix, lovefilm, etc.

Come on all you 360 users. Get a campaign going to get the same from your on-line service. As we know from this week, they can work!
STGuy1040  +   814d ago
Gamers can rest easy now knowing that not all multiplayer games will require Plus. It may boil down to first-party titles requiring Plus with third-party developers being given a choice.
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Gravitic  +   814d ago
COD and all that big 3rd party shit, Battlefield, all that require Plus. F2P makes sense to not to require plus, as its suppose to be FREE.
BlaqMagiq24  +   814d ago
I was on the fence about paying for online multiplayer for PS Plus but Yoshida gave a straight and honest answer and even apologized for it too. That's enough for me to subscribe when PS4 comes out.
neoandrew  +   814d ago
But if i don't want free games, if i don't want share functionality or shared device play.

All this functionality is FORCED.

I just want to buy maybe 2-5 titles per year and play them online, for free, as usual.

They now FORCE me to pay for futures i don't want, games, functions, take the free games - i will buy them myself if i want them, take the ps vita functions and share functionality i don't need them, give me back my free online play.

They are giving nothing to people that don't want ps+, you see this, if you don't want it, maybe you wont have share functionality, free games and ps vita integration etc. but they won't give you online play either...
Azurite  +   814d ago
Hmmm... I think you skipped some of the quotes.
Heisenburger  +   814d ago
Don't act like a child. Ps+ is an absolute steal. I understand the teen-like mentality of wincing when being told you have to do something, but you just have to get over it.

Sony has provided a great, free online network for years. With all of these added features(I know you don't want them boo-hoo) along with extra security against d-bags like anonymous, it simply isn't financial smart to continue online play completely for free.

Quite frankly I don't understand why every PS user hasn't ALREADY taken advantage of Plus.
neoandrew  +   814d ago
"Ps+ is an absolute steal.
Quite frankly I don't understand why every PS user hasn't ALREADY taken advantage of Plus."

I don't need it, their free games (which are not free i need to pay for ps+), share functions and others.

If i don't pay for ps+, don't get games and other FORCED features that i DON'T WANT, why i should pay for multiplayer.

"it simply isn't financial smart to continue online play completely for free. "

On PC and PS3 i have every multiplayer free, no company complains about this. Does EA, ubisoft and plenty of others large AAA game publishers are not smart? I don't think so.

I have many times criticize m$ for forced payment just to play mp, i can not be a HYPOCRITE and say that if it is sony it is ok, for me it is NOT.
Kaneda  +   814d ago
I am agreed with neoandrew

Because people like me, only play FPS and careless about small little free games . I pay $60 bucks for game that come with online play and expect me to pay $5 more to access online version of it!

I think the child is the one that care about the features that PS+ offered.

Since they are showing KZ multiplayer and SP separate. Let see if 3rd parties will separate their online and SP version and selling for cheap. I don't think that is going to happen, since it has been 6 yrs M$ doing this.

The reason I think Sony is doing this, because I don't think they see M$ is putting up any competition and they took this opportunity to start charging online. People have been crying about M$ DRM. Pay to play online is just another version of DRM. Sony fanboys has been crying the last 7 years.
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McScroggz  +   814d ago
"Because people like me, only play FPS and careless about small little free games . I pay $60 bucks for game that come with online play and expect me to pay $5 more to access online version of it!"

Do you know anything about PS+? You get full, triple A retail games along with these small little free games you seem so ready to brush aside. Regardless of the fact that some of the most compelling games fall into the category of small games (Journey, The Walking Dead, Limbo, etc.) you get games like Uncharted 3...

This may be harsh, but if somebody who only plays FPS complain about having to fork over $50 for all that free content then I have a hard time caring about your opinion.
Kaneda  +   814d ago
Are we still talking about online now? Because I do owned GT5, Resistance 1 and 2, Uncharted Series (Bought them, Why do I wait 2 years later and excited about digital download?), GOW, and more.

I am not even piss that I paid all Uncharted series, and PS+ members can downloaded for free, because you guys pay monthly for it and I didn't. But I paid full price for the game.

Yes, I do know things about PS+, Early beta, exclusive contents, etc.

So when Sony introduced PS5 with DRM I guess you fanboys will say. I understand the business side, It must be done because they lose billions of dollars..... blah blah and It will be okay... You can fill in the next word I have here _____________...
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Azurite  +   814d ago
Like neoandrew you seem to miss the part about not being forced to have PS+ to play online.

It's up to the publishers whether or not it's required, it's not enforced by Sony. You still don't know if the games you want to play online requires it or not, it's too early to lay judgement on something you have no clue about.
Gravitic  +   814d ago
Yes it is forced, he wants to buy Battlefield or Killzone this year and play online, he will have to cough up for PS+.
Heisenburger  +   814d ago
@your reply to me

You are throwing a world-class hissy fit.

I answered your questions, then you reply asking the same crap in a different way.

I honestly lack the ability to make what I've said any more simple. Which is my fault, not yours.

" "it simply isn't financial smart to continue online play completely for free. "

WHY? On PC and PS3 i have every multiplayer free, no company complains about this.Does EA, ubisoft and plenty of others large AAAgame publishers are not smart? I don't think so."


I am flabbergasted...

Do I seriously need to explain to you where that went off the rails??

*typographical error
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Kaneda  +   814d ago
Let me put this simple for you to understand. Last two years, I have been playing only BF3 and MoH Warfighters. If I have to pay to play online.

That would have been $120+ dollars for each game. $60 for each game and 2 years $120 PS+. I spent about 4 hrs week playing (Since I have a family).

That is why I bought PS3 instead of Xbox.
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neoandrew  +   814d ago
"Do I seriously need to explain to you where that went off the rails??"

So, you have no valid argument.
bluetoto  +   814d ago
so sick of reading similar statements like this, "I don't want free games and other free stuff but I want free online mp".

no one is forcing you to buy the ps4. the wiiu still has free online, have fun and move on. maybe you should just stop gaming altogether, it seems next gen is not for you, plain and simple.
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neoandrew  +   814d ago
PC is next gen with free mp.

They are FORCING me to pay for ps+ to play online when i have already bought the full game.

The ps+ games and features are not free, you need to pay for them and i don't want them.

They just make the same as m$, this is pathetic, they know people want to play online, to they will FORCE you to pay for it.

They want to charge me for what? The data i transfer playing online? Then why they don't make it like on PC, every game has it's own free servers.

Truly next gen platform = PC

bluetoto  +   814d ago
Then stick to PC gaming, problem solved.
BlaqMagiq24  +   814d ago
You're not getting the fact that it takes a LOT of money to keep these servers running. Yes it's great that PS3 and PS Vita will always have free online and I appreciate Sony for that. However, if Sony was to keep this up next gen they'll start to suffer a huge loss and it could eventually lead to bankruptcy. That would be a HUGE blow to the gaming industry and I'd rather see Sony stick around for years to come.
neoandrew  +   813d ago
Then they don't need to keep the servers, on PC every publisher has it's own mp server for players for free.

If PS4 i so open for developers and 3rd party's why they just don't give them an option to use own mp server for free mp, THIS IS THE RIGHT SOLUTION, as on pc.

Why they force everyone to use their architecture and force to pay ps+ for mp, why not give everyone free hand, users and publishers.

Maybe they will, we will see.
NateCole  +   814d ago
Still prefer online gaming to be free like it is on the PS3 but i do understand why they have to do what they have to do.
Xx-ADITYA-xX  +   814d ago
A special edition of Driveclub... with reduced features... wtf just wtf, how is that 'special'?
Rip-Ridah  +   814d ago
Because it is a brand new game, brand new ip, on brand new hardware, day 1, with a multimillion dollar buget behind it. It's being offered gratis as an incentive for subscribing to PS Plus. Any questions?
BLAKHOODe  +   814d ago
Drive Club "PS+ Edition" is only the beginning. Sony said they would add a PS4 game EVERY month to the Instant Game Collection. So, you could buy a PS4 and a $50 "+" subscription and never actually have to buy an actual game again, but still have a new PS4 game to play every month. That's 12 PS4 games a year for $50. That sounds pretty special to me.
Philoctetes  +   814d ago
Yeah, but in the case of DriveClub, we know that Plus members are going to be restricted to certain tracks and cars. Depending on how many tracks or cars we're talking about, that sounds more like a demo than an actual free game.

I'm am Plus subscriber right now, and it's been a great value. I'll definitely stick with it next gen, and I completely understand the bind that Sony is in here. Nobody can realistically expect them to give away full-blown brand new PS4 games at launch. I just hope that Plus titles are stripped-down too much.
SpinalRemains  +   814d ago
I cannot stand the idea of paying for multiplayer. It completely sucks.

I understand the costs of maintenance and that in order to continue moving forward in the industry, but it totally sucks to play for free and then get charged.

I will say that they went about it the best way and it did soften the blow a bit. They used PS+ as a stepping stone toward paying for online, and once they had enough subscribers they could slide it in and have many thinking its not too bad since they're already paying.

All in all it sucks to pay, but it will hopefully move the experience forward. We will have to wait and see I suppose.

Come on, Nov.! Where's my PS4?
sAVAge_bEaST  +   814d ago
lets All thank Micro$oft,for starting this trend.- Microsoft-thank you/fuck you.

But to be honest,- I have become a plus member, and sony gives AAA titles and indy games, every tue. I am quite impressed with plus.

Uncharted 3, and Little Big Planet Racers, both coming in the next 2 weeks .
InFamous__  +   814d ago
"I apologize for the financial burden on our users, but on PS4 it’ll also provide early access to beta versions, free games and discounts like on PS3 and PS Vita. In addition to that PS Plus members will receive for free a special edition with slightly reduced functions of DriveClub"

This commitment to the player is what keeps me loyal to PlayStation, they even apologized for making us pay $49.99 a year but they ensure that its going to be worth the money!!

Shuhei Yoshida is the man!!
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Golden30  +   814d ago
its actually a crime as a gamer not having PS+!!!
GABRIEL1030  +   814d ago
Sure PS+ is the best of the best, ever in videogames products.
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