A lot of questions are being asked by the fans on the caveats of the PlayStation Plus requirements for multiplayer with the upcoming PS4, and Sony Worldwide Studio President Shuhei Yoshida provided some straight answers.
Wow I'm seriously loving Sony's new attitude. This is what makes companies so successful. Great to hear that there will still be a ton you can do for those that can't afford the $49 a year PS Plus like play Driveclub online, MMOs and free to plays like Planetside 2, Warframe and DC Universe. He's right, Sony is a company and for them to be sustainable (especially with their current financial predicament) and how they're providing all the new services like Gaikai, sharing video streams live, watching what your friends are doing online etc. that's got to cost an absolute enormous amount. This is the only business model that for consumers is still a bargain but can still allow Sony to invest heavily into the future of their online infrastructure and features. EDIT: I'm seriously still excited about the day when Gaikai launches through PS Plus the entire PS1, PS2 & PS3 backlog. That will be EPIC! Smart move purchasing Gaikai.
Also, this allows them to sell the console cheaper, giving a lower entry point for those that don't care to play online. Options to pay only for what you actually want are always paramount IMHO.
Sony is being straightforward, humble and honest, and it is paying off.
PS+ is already great, imagine what's in store for us next Gen!!!! I've never been a fan of paying to play online, however being able to play used games, no DRM (first party games), no need to be connected to the internet all the time etc... I can live with £40 a year for PS+. Sony will return the £40 in the form of games, DLCs, themes, and so on. I 100% agree with you Abriael, choice is what matters. If you don't give consumers choice, you're doomed.
PS+, at the moment, offers 5 to 6 free games per month. That's 60+ free games per year. Lots of discounts. 1GB cloud storage for PS3, 1GB cloud storage for PSVITA. Auto firmware/gamepatch update. Auto gamesave upload. Free themes, free avatars. Access to closed betas and early demos. Full game trials. It seems that PS+ will be offering 3 PS4 games for free (Driveclub's one of them) on PS+ at PS4 launch. I'm expecting 7 to 8 free games per month after the launch of PS+ on PS4.
this is exactly what my thoughts were when I read his comments. Really want to go get a PS3 now. I am totally done with M$ and the xbox. Now what to do with my 360..??
Loving Sony. PS4
@C4BL3 If you're really done with 360 (and the same apply for any other current gen system) I advise you to sell it while the value is good, maybe put it torwards pre-order for next gen if you had already made your decision. Once those new consoles are out lots of people will trade in PS3 and 360 and value in bound to decrease... But remember you'll be consoleless 'till next gen releases, so I would only do that if I had another gaming machine (gaming PC, handheld console or another main console), I can't really imagine not gaming for months anymore.
Do we have to have ps+ on all accounts or just one?
@Dmarc ~ Sony has already said you only need 1 PS+ account on your PS4 and ALL other accounts on that system will be able to play online multiplayer for free on top of being able to use that PS+ on/with your PS3 & PSVita. Additionally you DO NOT need PS+ on your PS4 to be able to use things like Netflix, Hulu+, Facebook etc. as it is currently on PS3/PSV.
@ Dmarc Technically, it's just one profile tied to the PS+ account, but with the current set-up on PS3, all accounts on the console can access the PS+ free games. I assume this will be the same with PS4. As long as the PS+ account is tied to the console, all users on that console should be able to access online and free PS+ games. I'm just speculating, but that's how it works right now.
Sony makes perfect sense here. I like how you can not only still use web applications like Netflix and Youtube without the use of PS+, but you can also play Free 2 Play games like Planetside 2, DC Universe online and Dust 514 without PS+, otherwise I guess they wouldn't technically be Free 2 Play. I'm ok with this :)
i dont know why people have and issue with paying $5 dollars a month on online. Its not really a big deal. Sony is doing the right thing.
Although I don't like all the hypocrisy the psfanboys are showing. The same people who ripped xbox last week for paying to play online.
@ausbo Well people are not paying to play online with PS+. It's not the same as xblg has been for years. Do you even know how many games Sony gives us with plus? I am and would continue being a plus member with or without online play included in the pricetag. It's THAT good. Once you dl the free games they are your forever as long as your membership is paid for. My backlog of games exploded after joining PS+. The games keep piling up and I have no way of playing all of the games I'm interested in (damn you real life). PS+ is just ridiculous in that aspect.
Planetside and DCU are NOT behind the paywall? Yet another megaton, considering that all f2p games on Xbox One require a paid Gold account.
That got me as well, I thought you would have to be apart of PS+ since he said multiplayer required it. Big win for Sony.
I'm wondering how many system's can be shared with my account
You can't even play the free-to-play Doritos Crash Course 2 on an account that doesn't have Gold. Found out yesterday when my daughter was playing on my wife's gamertag and got denied, even though I have Gold on my side and have played the game before. Just reaffirmed how broken and dated XBL has become when even F2P Doritos shovelware has these paywalls. Disgusting, considering all I need is one PS Plus sub' and every account gets access to every game I download.
You do have to play PS + to be able to play Planetside and DCU. It's the same as Xbox Liv Gold. The difference is that DCU and Planetside 2 don't charge any monthly/yearly fee like WOW. DCU is currently Free to play in PSN, meaning, ZERO charges at all and you can get it even if you dont have PS Plus
and those are not the only ones. There are many more F2P games like: Warframe http://www.youtube.com/watc... Blacksite Retribution http://www.youtube.com/watc...
@ Dannycr No, you do not have to have PS+ for those. Yoshida says: "there will be some free to play titles that you’ll be able to play without needing a PS Plus subscription, like PlanetSide 2 and DC Universe Online."
@Dannycr no, Planetside and DCUO will *not* require PS Plus. From the article: [QUOTE]...there will be some free to play titles that you’ll be able to play without needing a PS Plus subscription, like PlanetSide 2 and DC Universe Online.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, not very "free to play" on XBL, are they?
'While direct competition in real time won’t be possible [without PS Plus] for instance in the case of DriveClub, asynchronous online gameplay and receiving data from other players will still be free of charge.' So we can still sign in and sync trophies etc...? YES! This is brilliant, at least it doesn't block us from our account when our subscription voids. Moreover, it's brilliant that they've made it so F2P games don't need a subscription. The BONE does. Sony just keep on beating them.
You can do all the online challenges and races of Driveclub, the only thing locked is direct head to head MP.
wait so for years sony gamers and fans have bashed ms gamers for having to "pay to play" and using that as a reason to say the xb360 was ripping gamers off. now sony does it and it makes great business sense and the gamers praise them for it? are people serious right now? edit: like giving away free games just like xb announced they will be doing? at least you get party chat with xb. having to pay to play multiplayer is crazy. i already pay for my internet why pay more to play a feature thats made into my game? and people complain about on disc dlc well this is just the same. at least one company still thinks it's ok to not charge their customers to play online.
Do you not realize how completely different PS+ is from XBLG?? Are you just pretending to be clueless?? Because what Sony are doing is not NEARLY the same. Do research then edit your comment, you still have time.
I'm not really seeing PSN+ as a way to play online, but rather a way to get free games,auto updates, massive discounts and early access to betas. So all and all to pay an admission fee to get all these benefits sure is worth it to me.
I bet Netflicks and all the other apps are still available without PS+, unlike Xbox Live. They placed online play behind a pay wall (and only online play) but with great incentives. I knew there had to be some drawback to that share feature and all the other things they're incorporating (ex: "virtual pass the pad"). They added so much so they placed it all as PS+ features. They are all related to online gaming. I'm already a PS+ subscriber, got mine when they were giving an extra 3 months free with the one year purchase while simultaneously giving $10 back PSN credit for ever $50 spent on the PS Store. Win. I'm still not "happy" that they did this though. It's cool that free to play games will remain free and it's publishers choice for other MMOs but I won't pretend this isn't the one negative thing about the PS4. It is.
Sony releasing day one titles like Driveclub for free to PS+ members is nothing like the original 360 giving Halo 3 and AC2(2 old $10 games). On top of that this deal is just until the Xbone launches. You aren't going to get Forza 5 for free or anything less than full price and then some.
but with plus gamers were already getting free games per month from the off. i know it sucks to pay now, but i think this concession seem reasonable because they could have easily went the route microsoft did and then we'd all be f**ked. does this not seem reasonable for you it is for me even though it sucks now to pay to play?
Well here's the thing m$ is charging you extra to play FTP games even though they are free they making you pay 68 dollars or more to watch your Netflix Hulu plus ect where as Sony never has made you pay extra to use the streaming service also they give away 22 if I'm correct might be 20 but 20 games away free that's included three different systems compared to what does m$ live do for ya nothing but make u pay out the ass and not give you something in return oh also does it give you exsclusive hour long trials or discounts that range from 10% to 75% off no m$ doesn't because they Sony (If you want to correct anything I said will glady accept the criticism.)
Party chat will be on ps4 and xbl free games like killer instinct where you get ONE character and pay for the rest or games like ac2 and halo 3 which came out YEARS ago
>> like giving away free games just like xb announced they will be doing? Free this month for XBL Halo 3: Sept 2007 Assassin's Creed 2: Nov 2009 Free this month for PS+ XCOM Enemy Unknown: Oct 2012 Uncharted 3: Nov 2011 (that's just the full retail games. other indie games free as well) And if I recall correctly, they said XBL will only get those two free games a month UNTIL the Xbone launch. >>at least you get party chat with xb PS4 will have party chat. PS3 does not, but multiplayer is still free (and will stay free).
I have xblive Gold for years and even i know at this point it´s miles way from plus,don´t be that troll.
it isn't being a troll. for people to not see a problem with them changing it up when all they talked "out games are free to play online" is crazy. it's like it's fine to pay to play as long as sony says it is. i'll go with nintendo who still thins online is in my purchase price.
Yeah but the thing is that even without PS+ you can still game online. Now im not bashing Xbl as i support both PSN and Xbl. I also commend MS for atleast changing things up. 2 free games a month is a start but PSN has overtaken Live with more features and not having everything behind paywall.
You are seriously delusional if you think xbl is like ps plus. I have a hard drive FULL of games because I pay 50$ a year, you get the right to play online. BIG difference there.
Don't bother trying, their all hypocrites...
Yeah after 8 fucking years they decide to start giving free games. I'm sick and tired of "but it has cross game chat" is that really worth $60 a year? Cross game chat, Netflix permission and online play for fucking $60 a year GTFO. + gives you so much more freebies and all kinds of discounts for less than that
There is still a huge value difference with psn plus with psn right now if you pay 60$ you instantly can get 190$ worth of content on the ps3 alone, if you have the vita (another 180$ worth of content) or ps4 it's even more.
yuogovega. GOLD is pretty much the same service that PSN is, except you pay for it. Paying for PS+ for PS4 is much different because its actually WORTH the $$$$.
This is the best way to entice People to go for subscription. Make it the best deal that gamers can't refuse lol!
I'm still confused. He says you have to pay for multiplayer, but don't have to play for DCU? How does that makes any sense, isn't DCU multiplayer only? And what about FFXIV, which is a mmo like DCU? You'll have to pay to play this one, so what is the criteria being used here? I'm among the minority who never got plus (even after being with ps3 since the begining of the generation), but I guess I'll have to sign up on ps4 for FFXIV alone, since I very seldomly touch multiplayer. That sucks for me, but all in all, I'm still very happy and excited about the ps4!
With FFXIV, the devs have been saying they're gonna be in talks with Sony once they get home from E3 to discuss things. Seeing as the game will have a monthly fee, they might try to get it to go the path of Warframe(F2P) and DCUO (F2P with optional subs) - no PS+ requirement needed to play online. If they can, it'll be nice for gamers so you're not having to pay 2 fees to play online. Also the fact that you're suppose to be able to transition from the PS3 version to the PS4 version when it releases, so why need to have PS+ to play online for something you didn't need to months before.
@rdgneoz3 Wow, that'd be pretty great if true! I'd hate to have to pay two seperate fees just for one game (and I think it'd hurt it's debut on ps4) but if FFXIV is just as good as I think it'll be, I'd end up doing it anyway. At least for a while...
DCU is Free to play MMO. As you play you pay for items or upgrades within the game. But if you buy BF4 or COD for $60, you will have to pay $5 dollars a month to play online version of it.
I understand that you might have apprehension on having to pay for multiplayer, that is honestly inevitable. But it's also inevitable that Sony adopt this model, since they need to be able to get some stable revenue to be able to offer such great value for your money. Charging for multiplayer is a way for them to compensate the low price of the system and the revenue needed to maintain the online infrastructure, and it's the option that offers the best balance between a good revenue for Sony and good value for your money. I'm amazed you've been with Sony since the beginning and not have PS+, though, since it really does reward subscribers for their loyalty. While the free games rotate per month and eventually become unavailable, as long as you "buy" them(i.e. you check them for download, securing them on your account), they're available permanently for download even if you erase them from your HDD. If you had been with PS+ from the beginning, you'd have DOZENS of games by now, both for PS3 and Vita. Even if you don't play multiplayer, PS+ is an amazing service.
I know for alot of people (not me) who play COD online who want to switch to Ps4 are concerned with whether or not the quality of the online play will be comparable. So I wonder if Sony is using this subscription money to improve quality of service.
The quality of online play (as in the connection) on the ps3 has been the same or better than 360's for a while, the only real difference has been that you get cross game chat with xbox live and a lot of free games with ps+.
That comes more from 3rd Party Devs servers. P2P servers always have issues in all platforms, including PC.
You will need it to enjoy online multiplayer. This will also depend on the judgement by the publishers, and there will be some free to play titles that you’ll be able to play without needing a PS Plus subscription, like PlanetSide 2 and DC Universe Online. see that , right there even with a payway, you can still play Multi-player for free, without playstation Plus required. That is why i am glad Atleast not all gaming online will cost the consumer...this is a big + for me, i love DCUniverse, and that my fried is exactly why i will be still purchase the PS4. Force paying for playstation Plus is not outright forced for me because if its free to play , than there is a good chance no PSN+ will be required.
Also both ms and sony have said that drm is up to the publishers. You will have no pr problem trading in ps games or xb games as long as they are first partys. Ms and sony are sure given then publishers alot of control ovrr there systems. I also full expext gold as ms has said to be completley revamped and the free games to continue. Now if only ms would get rid of the online check ins and giving games to friends more then one time everyone would be happy. Nahh they still will find something to knock there non system of choice.
VERY well put, my friend! Much respect. :)
I'm not trying to start an argument here, but I am shocked by how many people just love everything that Sony does no matter what it is. You can't read one story on this webpage without somebody making of Xbox charging for online multiplayer, but as soon as Sony does it, it's allright? I just don't get this mindset of blind loyalty to Sony. Before you blindly attack me and give me 40 disagrees, at least reply to me and tell me why, because I'm honestly confused. Also, just FYI, I have both consoles now, I'll be buying both new consoles, and I already pay for both subscription services, so I'm about as impartial as they come, my only real big "preference" between the two is that I like one controller better than the other.
Well what exactly are we supposed to reply to you about? Blind Sony fans? Sure. And there are blind Xbox fans as well as blind Nintendo fans. And even if we agreed that before E3 there were more blind Sony fans, what we are seeing now is an out pour of gratitude for not participating in anti consumer acts and a focus on gamers. The one bad thing is you have to buy PS+ to play multiplayer games. I don't like it. But PS+ is such an incredible deal, especially once the PS4 launches and we will be getting brand new or very new games. Also, at least some F2P games aren't behind the paywall and we'll get a fairly close to complete DriveClub? It's just not smart to pass over PS+ in my opinion. It not only pays for itself, but is actively saving money constantly.
Not saying you are, but all butthurt xbots can say is what you said about ps plus. Yea, it does suck. At least ps plus has value. All the things plus offers pays for the $50 a year. It sucks to pay to play online. What else you got? Every Sony fan should admit it sux just to stroke every xbots ego? Im sorry but a forced plus account i can live with. MS's anti consumer policies is something I cannot.
No I'm not a "butthurt xbot" by any means, I'm not even criticizing Sony or anything like that. I am glad they are doing this, quite honestly, because I hope it will result in them making more money and improving PSN. I just don't get the flip-flop. I'm not saying that I would expect everyone to say "Pay for multiplayer? Screw Sony AND MS, I'll just stick with Nintendo". I never expected that, but I'm shocked by the amount of excuses being given for why it's good, after all the negative stuff I've seen pointed in the Xbox direction for years now. It's just very hypocritical, and even though I realize fanboys will be fanboys, it still has managed to shock me.
I Don't like I have to pay for play online but that's my only minus about the ps4 - everything else beat the xb1 IMO. and I love to play on consoles but wiiu got nothing so I will get ps4 anyway.
I can only speak for myself, but I've never criticized MS for their paid multiplayer. I thought of free multiplayer for PS3 as a plus, but I didn't think MS' policy was bad considering you would get better online services. And you can see even in this thread a few people who are not happy about this change, so it's not like everyone is suddenly being defensive. If you read through blogs and other threads, there are many people who aren't entirely happy about it, but reluctantly accept it too.
I can't speak for anyone else but I'm not happy that I will have to pay for multiplayer now on PS4. However, even with paying for it now, you can still see the value in PS+ that Gold never had.
My problem with Gold was that it was necessary for EVERYTHING, even Netflix and Hulu. PS+ (on PS3) was leaps and bound ahead of Gold (on 360) in terms of value.
Now, with PS4, PS+ is still ahead on value even while being required for multiplayer (in some cases). You do not need it for Netflix, Hulu, and the FTP games like Planetside, DCUO, etc. Still gives some nice free games every month. I know MS just announced that you will only need one Gold sub to allow all the accounts on that box to play multiplayer (good move on their part) but Sony announced that straight out the gate.
Once again, I'm not happy at all that I have to pay for my multiplayer now but at least I'll still be getting tons of freebies to take away the sting of it. I've never paid for Gold because I saw no need for it. I paid for PS+ for the freebies and extra value. Now it will be required for PS4 but I will still be getting greater value over Gold.
All good responses, I can't argue with any of that. Thanks for everyone's honesty!
I know you are just Reputation Management for microsoft, and your just doing your job. but, PS+ is a great way to play games you would never buy.. they give 2-3 games for free, plus some AAA,..Deus Ex, last week,. Uncharted 3 next week, Little Big Planet Racers, the week after. Plus the money they will make, will go back into the network.
I think that the jagged little pill of paying for multiplayer in the new generation is smoothed somewhat by the structure of PS+. It's not just dedicated to providing "features" and locking content. It's really focused on games. I've been a member of Plus for a year and in that time I have gotten several PS3, PS one, PSN, and PS Vita games for little to absolutely nothing. It's a way to discover new little PSN titles that you might not have wanted to try AND provide some of those gems that you might have had to skip due to simultaneous launches or just skepticism. Also, if this provides a means to make sure that pubs keep DRM away from the console and beef up the features of PSN...that's good for me.
this is why im a Sony fan period they give us what we want, the guy even apologize to the fans for charging for ps plus Now thats respect Well done Sony well done
paying to play online for xbox was negative... Paying to play online with sony= awesomeness and excitement? No body remembers that paying to play online is not cool because we use our own connection? What im paying sony 50-60$ a year for the share button? If memory serves correctly i was paying msoft 60$ a year for party chat?- oh wait that was a ripoff because i was using my connection and party chat sux, who needs it? I love the double standard that exists on this site, Sony fanboys need to understand that msoft paved the way to pay to play online and sony is following suite. No body is even a little bit angry? Well congratulations sony, no we know you love gamers and you love money- but mostly u love gamers right? LMAO
Go compare PS+ to XBLG
You paid Xbox Live for onlnie access on ALL of their products, getting live did not remove ads, and you could also download demos. Xbox Live will be getting two free games in november, so it'll at least be worth $10 more. (Assassin's Creed 2 and Halo 3) But, who doesn't have Halo 3?!