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Submitted by fr0sty 468d ago | opinion piece

PlayStation's New Direction: 1,000 Small Steps Forward, One GIANT Leap Backwards

E-mpire writes: Sony came out swinging today, but let one slip at the same time that redefines what PlayStation has always stood for when it comes to online gaming. (PS4)

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Corpser  +   468d ago
Yep ps+ is required for online miltiplayer
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   468d ago
A million steps forward, but one hell of a GIANT leap back...
This KILLS it for me. While I will still get the PS4, it just hurts me knowing that I won't be able to play online. I agree that PS+ has great value, but I like having physical copies of my games, but even further than I just refuse to pay to play online. I will not pay an additional fee to unlock the other half of a game that I purchased FULL price for.

We need to start a campaign to get rid of the forced fee. Sony said they are for the consumer. Making us have to pay to play online is very anti-consumer. We need to stand against this.
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fr0sty  +   468d ago
I feel you 100%. I'm willing to give Sony one chance however. If they can prove to me that by paying for my online play I will get much faster service that is more reliable, I'll keep updating the + subscription I already have. If not, I'll be selling my PS4... or at the very least boycotting it's online component with one eye on upgrading the hell out of my PC.

For all we know, PC games could drop free online also.
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ThatCanadianGuy514  +   468d ago
It was inevitable really.Enjoy the entire gen of free online while it lasted.Heck, enjoy the free use of apps and everything else related.It's only the multiplayer that costs money. it costs Sony a lot of money to run these servers and Sonys games division has been bleeding the company for years.This is their bandaid.

It does suck, but you know what? PS+ is actually worth the price of admission.
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Cam977  +   468d ago
Well hey, at least it's a better to the XBONE.
JohnS1313  +   468d ago
No thanks. I think anyone who won't pay for PS Plus is being dumb. You get a lot for that small amount. And I haven't seen Sony even say this part anyway. IGN posted something. Did Sony actually say it or is everyone jumping to conclusions? Where is it on Sony's site?
Rusty515  +   468d ago
$399, not blocking used games, and no drm is enough for me to call Sony a consumer friendly company. They've done enough. The least we could do for them is to pay for online. (Which their version actually gives us discounts and what not.) I'm supporting it. Because they damn deserve it.
decrypt  +   468d ago
@frosty

"For all we know, PC games could drop free online also."

You only delude yourself by making such comments, if that makes you feel better for being ripped by console makers then its fine.

The reason PC online will always be free is because its not controlled by middle men(aka console maker). Its the same reason PC games are always cheaper and also fall in prices faster.

MS tried to charge PC gamers to go online remember what happened? no one paid, because we arent locked down to what someone thinks is good enough for us. Unlike console gamers who have no freedom and must do as seem right for them.
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Dee_91  +   468d ago
Sucks majorly but I originally thought it was $60 for the months but in reality if its like the current PS+ System $50 for a year $18 for 3 months thats cool.But my gripe with the 360 was that it was the only game with a fee for multiplayer,thats what also made it feel like a ripoff besides just charging for mp.Now it just sucks that they are charging for mp :p
But tbh I dont care, the games got me pumped and Im ready for my free DriveClub.
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Thatlalala  +   468d ago
@johns1313: They had it in black and white during the conference. Sneaky, but it was there.
blitz0623  +   468d ago
At this point you have to choose the lesser of 2 evils.

And it's pretty clear which one is the lesser evil.

It's a smart move and a dick move at the same time. Sony knows everyone will flock to the PS4 knowing it supports used game, doesn't require an internet connection and is $100 cheaper.

And honestly, PS+ is damn worth it. I got it for free (15 months) because I got the limited edition bundle and man, it's a terrific service.
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Muerte2494  +   468d ago
Hmmm...
How about the fact that if you're already a PS+ subscriber getting PS4, you're guaranteed a game a launch? Albiet it's a digital copy but it's a hell of alot better than what Microsoft is offering. I'll take a guaranteed game over empty promises any day. You also receive 3 indie games too. That's easily $120.00 value day one in content but just having a PS+. You add it up, PS+ technically already paid for itself and then some.
Sitdown  +   468d ago
Why would everybody jump to the same random conclusion....he said it right after the $5 jab at Microsoft
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   468d ago
Well
Now I'm really pulling for the Wii U more than I ever have. I hope the Wii U has a strong holiday this year so that I can at least play major multiplat titles online.

But for real though PS+ is great on it's own. It doesn't need MP has a hook. Sony should just market it more instead of keeping the MP hostage.
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guitarded77  +   468d ago
@ Outside_ofthe_Box

I know it's a crappy thing, but we have to look at it a bit differently and see that it's kinda justified. Since video sharing and other social integration features are being added, the cost of maintaining the network has probably increased substantially. To offer these new features, Sony probably had to add a fee. At least they tacked it on to PS+, so users will be getting games along with their service fee. I still agree that it sucks, but it was probably a necessary evil. More money ultimately means better support too, so if we're now paying, Sony should be inclined to make more updates as our wants and needs grow. I've been PS+ subscriber since day one for the content, and will continue to do so for the content, so the pay to play formula just ends up working out for me.
BattleAxe  +   468d ago
I couldn't quite believe it when Jack said that gamers can play offline for free..I was like what? did I just hear that right?

So it does kind of suck, but I'm still excited for the system. Who knows though, I still own a PS3 which will still have lots of life in it, and games listed bellow are all coming to PC:
- Titanfall
- Assassins Creed 4
- Call of Duty: Ghosts
- Splinter Cell: Black List
- Battlefield 4
- Tom Clancy's The Division
- Watch Dogs

Destiny might even come to the PC:

http://kotaku.com/destiny-m...

I'm just going to have to see how much this mandatory PS+ gets under my skin after thinking about it for a while.
3-4-5  +   468d ago
You can still get physical copies & pay for PS plus for multiplayer and downloading games when you feel like it.

$ 50 for year of online

$ 60 for new game

Instead of getting 4 games @ $60 get 3 @ $60 and 1 year of online.

* How can people complain about spending $50 and not about spending $60 multiple times in one year ?

There is no logic in that.

Your getting a better multiplayer service.

Do you want your awesome new Next gen games to suffer because of bad connections and lag?

Not so much...Next Gen also = online for multiplayer games.

I've been an xbox owner since 2002, trust me it's worth it, and after you've payed it once, it won't ever be a big deal or even a thought ever again.

This should be the least of your guys worries.

They do 99% good and you want to focus on the 1% that is iffy.

Your sacrificing 1 less New game.....That isn't much to ask.
FunAndGun  +   468d ago
The chance to stop this was when MS started it with pay to play on the 360. That opportunity is over and we are left with this.

This is a lesson. Once you lose a right/privilege you rarely get it back.
SheenuTheLegend  +   468d ago
i was hoping ms will go free..
but Sony will set a fee..
Oh Please end this already
AngelicIceDiamond  +   468d ago
I was one the originals who were saying Sony will charge for online (I didn't think they'd actually do it though.)

None of that matters because PS4 is a free console with no restrictions nonetheless.
Grave  +   468d ago
I have Live and Plus so this was no surprise to me. Since I am already a Plus member all it means is that I will continue to get awesome deals and free games to play compared to getting .. oh gee .. Halo 3 and Assassins Creed II ... lolz.
pixelsword  +   468d ago
Yeah, I didn't catch that, but if so, then I'll wait for a PS4.

Suck my Subscription, Sony.
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reynod  +   468d ago
So its official then, Console gamers need to pay to play online. What a rip off lol.

Still time people you dont have to lose your rights this way.

When MS originally tried to charge PC gamers to go online, they didnt support it. I would suggest the same to console folks.

People should boycott paying to go online, hell they should instead be getting online games for the PC. You want rights they dont come free not in this day and age you got to fight for em.
pixelsword  +   468d ago
Yep Sony: suck it.
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Dunpeal  +   468d ago
lol what do you really expect from a system that is moving towards a more network-driven infrastructure?????

c'mon ppl use some logic plz
badz149  +   468d ago
not required to be always online and no DRM BS
were enough for me! I seriously think of skipping next gen altogether if Sony also does THE MICROSOFT but they didn't!

I rarely play online on my PS3 because I don't have THAT much free time to begin with and the ability to hop online whenever I feel like it without a fee a a big draw for me - a mainly offline gamer! I don't like the fact that I will be KINDA FORCED to play online on XBL because THAT's mainly what I'll be paying the Gold for so that is why I didn't get the 360!

if it's indeed the case that PS+ is required for online play on PS4, I think I can swallow it considering I get Drive Club for FREE and that's already paying for the subs, right? not to mention the slew of FREE games for all PS4, PS3 and Vita in the Instant Game Collections in the coming months, which means, I'm not only getting a better deal, I will still feel that I'm not FORCED to play online because I get a year's worth of FREE games (I wish I can finish because I don't have much free time to begin with, remember?) even if I'm not playing online!

but like I said in another thread, PS+ is currently giving you the most contents on earth with just $50 and I doubt even STEAM can compete in THAT area. prove me wrong...I'm all ears. so...I can see myself giving in into PS+ but knowing that I have my gaming needs covered for a whole year, not JUST online play for games I already paid for!
Gracchus  +   468d ago
'I will not pay an additional fee to unlock the other half of a game that I purchased FULL price for'

You expect all the infrastructure which makes online play possible to fund itself? The monthly cost of PS+ is the equivalent of a single pint of beer here in the UK and you get 3/4 'free' games each month to keep as long your subscription runs. It's the best money I've ever spent and I still have no idea how Sony do it.

It's hardly the 'giant leap backwards' this hyperbolic headline screams. They really are desperate to put a bad spin on the PS4's reveal. This is all they've got, a token £3/4 monthly fee vs MS's DRM, online check, mandatory data-mining camera, price, anti-consumer polices.
fr0sty  +   468d ago
There's a bad choice that gamers have to make these days.

Buy an Xbox One and pay for online plus have restrictive DRM in place.

Buy a PS4 and lose the DRM but keep the pay to play online.

Go to PC and get free online but also get DRM (and you'll see more titles use it this gen, don't pretend Diablo and Sim City were isolated incidents). Also end up spending much more on hardware.
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reynod  +   468d ago
"but like I said in another thread, PS+ is currently giving you the most contents on earth with just $50 and I doubt even STEAM can compete in THAT area. prove me wrong...I'm all ears."

Lol.. From the looks of it seems you never seen the discounts avaialable on Steam. Every game is on discount literally few weeks into launch.

All of this just makes console gaming look expensive, obselete and controlled.

@frosty

"Go to PC and get free online but also get DRM (and you'll see more titles use it this gen, don't pretend Diablo and Sim City were isolated incidents). Also end up spending much more on hardware."

You forget both the consoles have DRM its been there since the advent of the consoles. The DRM is the hardware. You cant play PS2 games on a PS3, you cant play PS3 games on a PS4. Effectively you lose your entire library every time you upgrade, unless you decide to keep buying the older consoles when they die.

As for the PC you dont have to get games from Steam, you can buy them from other places where they are DRM free. Hell even if Steam offers DRM you dont have to be online to play those games. Steam has an offline mode too.

Diablo and Sim City are one of cases, you can find simular cases on PS3 too. There are games where you need to be online to play.

As for the PC hardware prices, new console costs you 500usd, a PC that beats those hardware specs costs 500usd too. Now add in the fact PC games are cheaper and online is free. PC is cheaper than console now from the get go. Previously PC used to be cheaper in the long run, now its from the get go. Thank console maker greed.
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ShinMaster  +   468d ago
PS Plus was ALREADY a good deal on its own to begin with.
Plus their adding more features with the PS4.

That's the difference.
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mrmarvel29  +   468d ago
agree with you 100%. Thats exactly how i feel
dedicatedtogamers  +   468d ago
It sucks. Anyone who doesn't want to get a PS4 because of it, I can totally understand, but before saying "no", go look up all the stuff you can get on PS+. It's a good service. I use it.

Look it up because often, PS+ includes a lot of map-packs, skins, and online bonuses for multiplayer games. It lets you download games at no extra charge. What I'm trying to point out is that, yes, PS+ is a required fee, but the content it gives you in exchange for that is nice. It isn't like how Xbox Live Gold used to be (props to MS for adding 2 free games per month....finally) where the fee was simply to play the online to your game. PS+ gives a lot more.
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LOGICWINS  +   468d ago
I think its a smart move. It gives people a little extra nudge to gt Plus. I don't see why you wouldn't want Plus though.
Salooh  +   468d ago
I was planning to buy one more year ps+ for the ps4 but this is sucks. I hate it. It's unfair , i already pay interent bill.
M-M  +   468d ago
Also, you can still use service like Netflix without PS+. PS+ is ONLY if you want to game online, smart move by Sony.
Reverent  +   468d ago
@14Feb, so you pay for Plus, but you're complaining about already having to pay an internet bill, even though you were already planning to renew your Plus membership? It's not like Sony is charging you for Plus, then again to play online. Just live in blissful ignorance and pretend that all you're buying is Plus and that online play is still free.

This method won't work for non-Plus guys, but for those of you who are Plus users, there's literally nothing to worry about.
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Salooh  +   468d ago
I don't want to be forced. If PS+ time expired and i'm not interested on renewing then i will be forced to buy ps+.

There are many people who don't like ps+ because it provide old games or games that they are not interested in so they will be forced to buy ps+ unlike me.

You see what i mean ???
Bigpappy  +   468d ago
Yep, inevitable. They gave you a little taste, then when you get use to it being their, their go deep on yah. Thanks for the ride!
Biggest  +   468d ago
But Microsoft didn't even do that. What lured you into their clutches, BP?
Arai  +   468d ago
Sony hasn't issued any statement that they are or aren't charging for online.

As noted by mods on this site as well...
Salooh  +   468d ago
That's a possibility but they said in the conference that people that won't have ps+ will enjoy single player and media experience , that's why it's kind of obvious that they will charge us..
Virtual_Reality  +   468d ago
Is already confirmed in the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Read the message below at the 0:11
shadow2797  +   468d ago
I'm sorry to say it, but they have issued a statement on their blog.

"We also announced that PlayStation Plus memberships will carry over to PlayStation 4, so members will have access to all of the benefits across PS3, PS Vita and PS4 for one price. These benefits INCLUDE ONLINE MULTIPLAYER ACCESS, exclusive discounts, cloud game saves, and Instant Game Collection, which gives members a selection of games to discover and enjoy with their friends. To celebrate the launch of PlayStation Plus on PS4, we will offer #DRIVECLUB PS Plus Edition in the Instant Game Collection." (Emphasis added)

http://blog.us.playstation....
Grave  +   468d ago
Also, just a note here, but this is only for the PS4. You can still play online on PS3 for free. Pretty sure at least. The online plus requirement is PS4 only.
Bigpappy  +   468d ago
Yep. They said it plain as day at the conference. It was Jack himself just before single player comment.
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KwietStorm  +   468d ago
Jack Tretton didn't come out and say WE'RE CHARGING FOR MULTIPLAYER, but he was pretty clear in what he *didn't* say. Should be obvious, but people are looking for that small chance that it isn't true.
chiefdog11  +   468d ago
Actually they kind of did. Right after the conference Jack Tretton posted a statement about on the Playstation Blog, I just read it. In it he stated that PS+ gets you access to online multiplayer. Doesn't bother me though, PS+ is one hell of a deal anyways and I'll always have it.
Lord Anubis  +   468d ago
maybe it's just me but to me it read that if you want to enjoy all the social connectivity with multiplayer plus was required. Did you guys not see the interface and multiplayer aspect of plus after the conference?
pixelsword  +   468d ago
Screw that, just gimmie my free online multiplayer.
Lord Anubis  +   468d ago
I hope its free online and only requiring a fee for the social stuff on plus
WeskerChildReborned  +   468d ago
Well at least we get games with it, i kinda have no problem since Plus provides back not just with the online but other features as well.
IBleedXbox  +   468d ago
i dont care. i pay now for xbox. i will more than gladly pay playstation for no restrictions. i am happy sony killed xbox. and i am a huge xbox fan
GenericNameHere  +   468d ago
While there are people who don't want to pay for online, that's perfectly fine! But in Sony's case, I'm willing to keep my PS+ year sub, and will keep renewing it. Sony's Playstation is their most profitable, but they are still losing money. I'll gladly pay for PS+, which will not only give me access to multiplayer, but also gives me free games, cloud saves, automatic download, etc, and will probably help recoup some loses from Sony's other divisions, and also help fund games.
piroh  +   468d ago
it´s not just pay for MP, it´s pay for PS+ which is kinda different. i would gladly pay for PS+ if that means free goodies
DJMarty  +   468d ago
PS4 can still play offline and use offline services, unlike Xbox one that needs a internet connection to check games.
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JohnS1313  +   468d ago
What do you mean? From what you're saying you have to pay for both. But if you have PS Plus it's supposed to get you online play. If this is even true. I never saw that from Sony during their conference.
FunAndGun  +   468d ago
To get online with PS4 you need PS+

When you subscribe to PS+ you can play online.

PS+ also gives you all the benefits across Vita, PS3, and PS4 under one subscription.

"FREE" games
discounts
betas/demos
cloud storage
auto updates
ect...
JohnS1313  +   468d ago
Does anyone have a link to where Sony said you have to pay for PS Plus to play online? I don't see it on their blog. I watched the conference but it did go in and out at times so maybe I missed it. All I've seen so far though is IGN said it.
Virtual_Reality  +   468d ago
The thing is Sony should give access to F2P games for everyone, and MMO games with monthly fee like FFXIV should have free access also to download and play it.
CaptainYesterday  +   468d ago
I already pay for PS+ so I don't really mind and I also don't play too much multiplayer so it's not that big of a deal for me at least :)
fr0sty  +   468d ago
I'm in the same boat, but after spending years swearing I'd never buy a 360 over the same thing, it still makes me want to bang my head against the wall.
CaptainYesterday  +   468d ago
Hah I've been wanting to get 360 for years but the paying for online always stopped me its funny how things change.
solidsheep  +   468d ago
Is it really the same thing, you can still use your internet, watch netflix and crap with out it. Just as of now can't use multiplayer.
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WalterWJR  +   468d ago
Big difference here is sony is offering other rewards with the pay to play online service.

Others just charge and then at the end of the gen panic and give away a couple of old games.
JackBNimble  +   468d ago
Ya, it really sucks... for your $50 a year subscription you get ps plus with the ps3 ps vita and ps4 all in one, aswell as Driveclub at the ps4 launch. Retail for Driveclub alone is most likely $60 and that is just one game, not to mention the almost 40 games already on the ps3... wow , who wouldn't want ps plus?

You still get netflex and all that other media crap with out ps plus.
solidsheep  +   468d ago
I hope Jack clears this up a bit tomorrow.
Now is it all multiplayer game or just ones that require dedicated server.
izumo_lee  +   468d ago
"One Giant Leap Backwards".....

So does that mean Microsoft has been backwards for the last 7 years cause they charged for online.

I said it before, what Sony has shown & done for the gamer is unprecedented. What they are asking is a very VERY small price to pay for the services they are offering.

No DRM, yes to used games, all the cloud & Gaikai stuff, a system for the gamer. Yes it is a very small price to pay & i will gladly take it.

*edit* I still believe F2P games will stay free to play & that the charge is for enhanced services like the Gaikai.
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fr0sty  +   468d ago
It is in the sense that Sony has always been a champion of free online play. That's where the biggest disappointment comes from. I don't disagree that + is way more than worth the price. However, as someone who bashed live for 7 years for this reason, it's hard for me to not be a little upset about it.
izumo_lee  +   468d ago
True but the thing is that PS+ is a whole $10 cheaper than Live. It is still the better deal even if we now have to have it in order to play online.

Sony wasn't really crystal clear about this, it was really glazed over during the press conference. We will probably know more when Sony is asked about this. Guess we will find out the whole story in the coming days.

I still have the assumption that this pay wall is for the Gaikai stuff cause that ain't cheap. Also why have all these F2P games if they are charging for multiplayer....it doesn't make much sense.
fr0sty  +   468d ago
This does open the door up for Sony to give away access to PS3 games on Gaikai, rather than charging for backwards compatibility.
gamertk421  +   468d ago
@izumo, once again I have NEVER paid more than $35 for a year of Xbox live. Every couple of months someone has it on sale.
Pandamobile  +   468d ago
Free2Play games will most likely be behind the PS+ wall.
Toman85  +   468d ago
Like World Of Tanks on Xbox 360, behind Xbox Gold wall on a F2P game ;), no biggie
Virtual_Reality  +   468d ago
That would be a smart move from Sony.
tiffac008  +   468d ago
Possible, since Gakai would almost act as a big F2P delivery service.

Well to be honest guys, I did say that I 'hoped' Sony would come up with an "Online Pass" thing instead of a DRM. We didn't get a DRM but we did kinda got the "Online Pass" thing with the Paywall. lol!

At least they are still shelling out those free games every month.
Toman85  +   468d ago
Totally agree. This I said many month back like this: If Sony comes out on E3 and confirmed you must pay to play online, someone will talk negative about it.

What about Xbox 360? Shall we act negative on that also? Nope, ive payed for Xbox Live gold many times, so if Sony doing it, care! Gladly paying it since I can play offline, online, no licence check, not always Sony Connect cam :P
Godmars290  +   468d ago
Is going to be rather agitating hearing people who've been defending paying for XBL complaining about having to do it on PS+. Just as much as trying to defend it.

But at least PS+ is still gaming related. At least I think you wont need it for things like Hulu and Netflix. That's the thing that always got me, that MS didn't let the option of paying for online stand by itself.
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Jeff257  +   468d ago
Sony did say that all the entertainment stuff and single player gaming would still be allowed without Plus. Just MP is behind Plus along with the free games they offer.
gamertk421  +   468d ago
Haha, you have to pay now too!
Godmars290  +   468d ago
@gamertk421:
Not until I decide to move to PS4. Then not until I decide I want to play multiplayer games.

@Jeff257:
No one knows what's going to be on offer on PS+ via the PS4. Though any and everything on Gaiki would be a safe bet, that's likely to happen with a price increase.

The fun thing is that without PS+, XBL Gold accounts wouldn't be getting free games now.
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rainslacker  +   468d ago
Considering that's about the only negative thing they will have to talk about with the PS4, you'll probably be hearing a lot about it. Pretty sad when the best defense someone can come up with is that Sony fans are hypocritical. heh

I think PS+ is a great value regardless. I'm wondering if Sony is offering more with their online service to warrant this move, or if they are just looking to increase revenue. MS did say they were going to have dedicated servers for their games, so in that case, I think a charge is probably OK since it theoretically can increase MP performance. If Sony does the same thing, maybe the argument can die a quick death.
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Godmars290  +   468d ago
@rainslacker:
PS+ on the PS3 *IS* more of a value than its price. literally pays for itself in free games and product. But with the PS4, we just don't know yet. But as it seems you're getting what you're paying for.

Though kind of less so, considering the slew of F2P games recently announced for it. That's where the contradiction is. That and the upcoming FF14.
rainslacker  +   468d ago
I understand what you're saying. I'll personally get value out of it either way as I am keeping my PS3, have a Vita, and will have a PS4. The drive club was a big surprise for day one. And 3 indie games, one which I thought to actually get was a really nice bonus.:)

I guess time will tell if PS+ will retain it's value for free games, but I can't imagine they would become bad in the future. It's already a success for Sony.
Sitdown  +   468d ago
Don't be silly.... Microsoft started their online with pay to play...... Sony was free, and now making you pay to play. One stayed constant and the other changed.
izumo_lee  +   468d ago
@ gamertk421

I was talking about the base price for each. If you got a deal for Live all the power to you.

All i was trying to say that for only $50/year i do not mind paying to get the services that Sony is giving us. The Gaikai stuff literally answers the backward compatibility question & with PS+ we may get free PS3 games.

If you are a Xbox gamer who likes Live good for you! However with what Sony has announced i still think PS+ is the better deal all around.
RiPPn  +   468d ago
I don't think they needed to paywall multiplayer, they already had a compelling service, no need to do this. Disappointed that they did this, but there is debate on what they meant, if it's like special online features or all online is blocked.
EmptySkyForm  +   468d ago
It really does bother me but tbh. It's not a HUGE deal. $5 a month is nothing. It is an inconvenience though.
Krew_92  +   468d ago
This puts me in a tight situation, everything before that was amazing and I enjoyed the conference up until that moment. When I heard him say those words, my heart sank because I just can't support something like that.

I think I'll stay true to my word, and most likely not buy a PlayStation 4 soon, just like I didn't want the Xbox 360 or Xbox One for the same reason.

It really is heart breaking, I guess I'll to stick to PC games for a while now.

This is also coming from someone who HAS PS+, just the principle of the thing that matters.
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torchic  +   468d ago
we can all respect that.

I was just like you but I will give Sony a chance. the fact that the PS4 is still cheaper than Xbox One with PS+ included, is awesome.

and on top of that, you get awesome F2P games on PS4. at leastt the $60 is being justified
Krew_92  +   468d ago
I can see where you're coming from as well. It's just me personally, I never gave the Xbox 360 a chance because the idea of paying for something included in a game is very insane, and this would scream hypocrite on my end.

We will see in time, I think PS+ is a mega deal, and have been enjoying it for a long time. If the service is improved significantly to the point of it being WORTH the money, then maybe. But seeing as I did play the 360, and PS3 at the same time and both of them were the same in my experiences, so I can't really expect much of a difference.
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XabiDaChosenOne  +   468d ago
It hurts me also, I love Sony but I just can't support this practice :'-(...
Hicken  +   468d ago
I can't be mad at you, honestly, as I was also one who couldn't stand the idea of paying to play online.

However, I also feel I have to point out how much more PS+ is than just playing online. Also, I rather understand, given everything they're doing with online play for this generation. To be sure, I'm not happy with it, but I do understand.

Likewise, I also understand your decision. Sad to hear it, and I wish things were different. But I think their only alternative may have been to raise the price of Plus, which would have made it at least APPEAR less valuable.
mandeep1803  +   468d ago
Get a PC. I have doing all multiplayer games on PC for 2 years and getting PS4 for exclusives only.
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Jockamo  +   468d ago
Another problem is playing w/ more than two people in front of a TV w/ PC games. Local multiplayer games are slim to none on the PC.
wenaldy  +   468d ago
Little downer for me, but hey i've been a plus member for a long time.
RememberThe357  +   468d ago
If you've been a plus member why is this a downer? Isn't it just more of the same for you?
wenaldy  +   468d ago
Yes, something like that. This paywall thing still bugging on me.
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rainslacker  +   468d ago
Because saying that "It doesn't effect me" is the wrong attitude to have. That's why we ended up with a lot of these things in the first place. Not necessarily playing for MP, but imagine if no one had spoken up over the DRM thing if it didn't affect them.
RememberThe357  +   468d ago
Well, everyone spoke up because it did affect them. It wasn't because they thought DRM was wrong on a moral basis, it was because they didn't want to deal with it.
RiPPn  +   468d ago
I just hope that this doesn't degrade the rest of the plus offerings, knowing they have you hooked in now.
NavydAd  +   468d ago
You get a new PS4 game every month! Totally worth it
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JohnS1313  +   468d ago
You're a dope if you don't get PS Plus so what's the problem? You'll get some great PS4 games for free even.
Number-Nine  +   468d ago
i think thats the only stain on an otherwise solid showing.
KittyEmperor  +   468d ago
I already pay for ps+ and to be frank it's a complete bargain when you consider all the free stuff you get in a single month. I'm telling you try it once and you'll never think about letting it go.
RememberThe357  +   468d ago
I paid for LIVE and I'll pay for this. I'm a grown ass man, I can afford 50 buck a year. PS+ has been a better (more valuable) service for a little while now anyway and these services don't pay for themselves. It'll be worth every penny, I'm banking on it.
Hicken  +   468d ago
I hate the "I can afford it" argument, because that's rarely ever the issue.

I can afford it, too, and I'll be on board(signed up through 2015 already long before today). But I don't like it on principle. I believe that, since multiplayer is built into the game you just spent your money on, you shouldn't pay anybody to use that multiplayer.

At the same time, though, I understand why it's being done.
RememberThe357  +   468d ago
I couldn't agree more. But like you inferred, the reasons behind it justify it.

I also dislike the "I can afford it" argument, but my point was that if I am willing to pay for Live, I'm willing to pay for PS+. I can't complain about paying for online play if I'm already willing to do it on an other console. I don't even think I'm going to get and Xbone, to be honest.
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torchic  +   468d ago
so is this like XBL where everything is only accessible once you pay the $60 or is it just the MP portion, leaving apps like Netflix free?
Krew_92  +   468d ago
I'm sure it will only affect the multiplayer in games.
majiebeast  +   468d ago
Media apps have no paywall.
OSIRUSSS  +   468d ago
If this is a giant leap backward for Sony,MS took 1000 giant leaps backwards and none forward.
HeavenlySnipes  +   468d ago
I knew it was inevitable. Another 10 years of free online would spell major losses for them. It was a good thing that the system is cheaper so that even with the subscription it still costs less than a One.
dethpuck  +   468d ago
ps plus is great. good to see both xbox and ps copied each other today. I have both ps plus and xbox live. bring on the free games.
smashcrashbash  +   468d ago
I am sorry but exaggerate much? I mean if paying for online is a GIANT step backwards then what is Xbox Live? Also PSPlus has many more money saving advantages then Xbox Live does.So I don't see it as a GIANT step backwards at all. Aren't you exaggerating just a little bit? I can see how this could be annoying to some people but aren't you still doing the 'call the marines when Sony does something' thing? Also has this been officially said by Sony or are people still just guessing? Sorry to sound doubtful but modern gamers are well known for running around like chickens with their heads cut off before they actually know the full story.
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Jockamo  +   468d ago
No one said Xbox live wasn't a step backwards. It's just a step backwards for Sony.
smashcrashbash  +   468d ago
But is it a GIANT step backwards? I never denied that it was a step backwards but it's not that big a step compared to everything else the PS4 is. I wish people on N4G would actually read and understand what i am trying to say before drowning me in disagrees or responding.The author is clearly exaggerating just like everyone does for everything Sony does.
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Jockamo  +   468d ago
Well just look at every PS3 vs Xbox 360 post on N4G since 2005 and you'll see that it goes against everything PS3 supporters have stood for. People who get PS+ are happy, but they respect those who don't want the service. Making it required contradicts pretty much everything the PS3 represented as far as multiplayer goes. Personally, I don't think it's a big deal. Honestly, I paid for live for years...it's not that much money to me and I'll happily be switching to PS4 this gen. But the argument for free online has been going on for an entire generation. To expect PS3 owners/supporters to kindly roll over and accept it will be hard. So have a little sympathy.
Xer0_SiN  +   468d ago
stop crying. its five dollars a month...five. if you cant support the cause, go buy a wii u. free online was the selling point last gen. ps+ is worth its weight in gold. this is going to provide us a richer online ecosystem and better online experiences. the free games and all the other goodies is just the icing on the cake.
Studio-YaMi  +   468d ago
Already on PS+
no complaints here! :D
Statix  +   468d ago
Having to pay to play online is bad news. But if you, as a Playstation fan, really care about the long-term survivability of the Playstation brand, wouldn't you think it unwise for Sony to leave money on the table? By not charging for online play all these years, Sony was put in a SEVERE disadvantage in terms of profit generation compared to Microsoft (with 40+ million people giving MS free money every month).

Let's face it: you might not like the fact that PS4 charges for online play, but it's probably a necessary business and economic move to help Sony's bottom line. More money for Sony = more money put towards games development = greater longevity of the Playstation as a viable games platform.
SolidDuck  +   468d ago
It sucks but makes since. In order for Sony to make gamers happy with no licensing fee for used games, launching at $399 a $100 less that xbox one, and running there psn servers. For $5 bucks a month that's well worth it, not to mention all the discounts and free games that ps plus offers.
asiatico  +   468d ago
That gaikai technology can't be cheap, and also all the advanacements and new genres created by next gen online gaming seem awesome. Its not great but not unexpected. 5 bucks a month not much of a loss to me
Ck1x  +   468d ago
$50 a year isn't much for people to cry over and the fact that you actually get free games because of the service means it pays for itself in the end...
chiwoo  +   468d ago
I would rather pay PS+ any day then to pay for the wasted Xbox Live at least I will be getting free stuff along with it
MadMen  +   468d ago
LOL OMG this must be killing it for SONY fans, they laughed and threw fire at xbox for years over this and now they have no choice, but Xbox was the evil empire right?

Im getting a PS4 over Xbox one this time around, paying for gaming online if a pedigree service comes with it is worth it.
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Jeff257  +   468d ago
This does bother me even though I have had Plus since it started. I have really enjoyed all the free games. Some of which I have yet to beat and some I haven't even played yet. I have always loved that online multiplayer was always free on the PS3. I will continue paying for my Plus subscription which I do a year at a time. I just hope that they allow everyone on my system to use Plus and not have to get Plus for each account. My kids and my wife like to play games and my wife and I both game online.

And yes even though I will continue to pay for Plus because I like my free games I still don't like the lock out of the MP.
Trenta27  +   468d ago
Are you people really complaining? We get a giant library of games in our instant collection, automatic updates, and so on and all you do is bitch about the online not being free? Seriously?

If you are going to be that picky, go get the Xbox One and pay for online at much greater cost...
Bathyj  +   468d ago
Its disappointing, I wont lie. I dont think you should have too pay to play a game you already own online.

On the other hand, I've been looking for an excuse to get PS+. I've held off cos I always already own the games you get free, but am I to understand you get Driveclub free on launch day? That makes it more than worth it along with all the other games you get.

And I dont even play online.
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