IGN - "Are we so quick to forget the reasons we were mad a week ago?"
Lol 499$ + XBox Live 50$ + Taxes = +600$ US Dollars are you kidding me And all the anti consumer crap Oh and where are the microsoft interviews? Why werent they there? Probably went to Shoprite to buy some popcorn for the Sony event tonight
Bit pointless/excessive tacking on taxes. Afterall, when Sony announce the PS4's taxes are going to figure there as well. @darthv72: -__- Really, what is it with you and posting a reply in the wrong comment? Am I the only person you do this sort of thing to? Should I feel honored?
since Im already a gold member...it will just be the $499 (+tax) for me. when sony announces their price it will be whatever that price is (+tax) for me as well. Im already a PS+ member. edit: sorry god...nothing personal. @hammad...i think you are confusing things. MS fans (that i know of) never said that about MGS. in fact it was always a very wanted game on the 360 by the majority of fans (myself included). when MGS4 never came out on 360, i went and got the Ps3 and a copy of that game and have been very happy. I encourage more single platform gamers to do that when it comes to a game that may not be on their platform of choice.
"Just let it happen. It'll all be over soon" is how I felt past the mid-way point, but the conference itself was actually a solid...B. Not mind-blowing, but definitely good. However, as someone who wanted to hear a genuine response to all the negative PR surrounding the Xbox One, the conference was a total flop. Oh, and Ryse? You know, one of those "hardcore games" that you bought your Kinect for? Yeah, coming to Xbox One...and now it's a QTE simulator. Total bait-and-switch.
$660 for EU. Also, Xbox fan boys are massive hypocrites. They used to claim that MGS was a boring interactive movie and trash, now opinions have changed. Same with LBP and "Spark".
430 British Pounds? That's like 500 euros or 700 USD. Ouch!
@darthv72: And really, its not just $60, its $60 a year. For as long as you own and want to play with the console. Its been an additional cost of $480 the eight years you've owned the Xbox 360. Less of course whatever XBL deals and it wasn't always $60, but you could have bought an Xb1 with what you've paid for XBL all this time.
to your point. i have been such a long time live member that i cant even imagine what it would be like without it. I'd go through some withdrawls or something. The same holds true for PS+. I signed up for it this year and Im hooked. i hope to keep it going for as long as i have with live. Me personally, i dont mind paying to be a member of something I feel is worth paying for. Others dont share the same sentiment and i can respect that.
Got to love how everyone here is jumping on the price bandwagon and not talking about the games on display, which were incredible.
I like - MGS5 World of tanks Ryse voice commands are ok.. the paint of the car in Forza 5 looked epic.. I dislike - No used games DRM 499$ is way too much for an xbox 24 h check in 50$ year fee design of the box kinect and all games surrounding it! also Forza was a letdown, I hoped it would be great and set some competition in the market, but instead it looked like NFS, with cartoon physics... fail.. but overall I think MS set high bar for the casual market... people who just want to talk with TV and play games with they're kids gonna love the system... but |I'm sure its not for me.. at least not for 499$...
Before we laugh, lets at least wait and see what Sony have in store at their conference(price, DRM, used games issue)
I need to find something to do in the next couple of hours. Screw EA conference.
the only concern I have is price but they said they learn from their mistakes so I see a 399-499 dollar console. I doubt a DRM and used game thing will EVER happen
it's a waiting game now. It's not good to jump the gun but as far as MS goes, they didn't do or show anything that has made me feel less angry towards them.
It was a good show I must admit but what annoyed me the most is dead rising 3 a Xbox exclusive that nearly made me cry because I have no intention of buying the Xbox and the price is to just to much when you count the gold membership every year.
my guess is Sony will have a very similar policy on DRM, simply because this more than anything is a 3rd party publisher situation. its most the 3rd parties that are the most up in arms about used game sales...so without alienating their concerns; i find it doubtful sony would've been able to come up with something that will please everyone. However, Sony most likely will try to rap it up a little better, with much clearer bullet points. That was what f'd up MS, they didn't know how to talk about it. They glanced over it, and hoped it would be missed, and that back fired big time. Price wise: if sony pushes the PS4 at $499, they didn't learn a single thing. IMO this would be the worst thing for everyone. The fall out from having two new devices at such a high price would effectively cut out the 'middle class' of development. If it wasn't poised to be some major AAA success, it wouldn't get the funding, and simply wouldn't happen. This would translate into years of big shooters, a few racing games, and some downloadable 'indie' games...and otherwise absolutely NOTHING but sequels... If the PS4 drops at $399, then they are getting somewhere. That is still high, but becomes a much more attractive option to the Xbox One, especially when considering a free to play online service. however, the most realistic price will be something around $450 i would bet...still better than the competition, but still far from great...and it'll be a pretty brutal battle over the next few years. While the DRM issues are not yet known, its very likely that Sony's won't be any worse. Its also very likely that Sony will have no where near as stringent always-on policies. There will be DRM, it will be annoying, but hopefully Sony has a better way to authenticate this stuff...maybe making it only something that applies to the sale and use of a used game...not something that applies to every single game you attempt to play.
yeah LOOOL.. I think it was a good conference, they showed some good looking games/ gameplay, but then the price was announced. And they did not talk about the used games and always online crap. Or whether the price of XBL would drop. The price of the console is pretty high, will have to see the price of the ps4 now. If its lower then MS are dead.
In Europe the price is 660$ (499€)....
While I agree with everything you've said, you're still looking at only the negatives. The conference itself was solid. If someone on here said that Microsoft would focus 95% of the conference on core games, people would have laughed in their faces. Still, despite the solid conference, I saw nothing worth sacrificing my consumer beliefs over so can happily say I'll most likely pass on the console initially at least.
Exactly, It was a nosebleed style conference, they didn't say a word about Kinect & the DRM. They hope to mesmorize everybody with the cool games and cancelled all 1:1 interviews hoping it will blow over, but that has nothing to do with the restrictions build into the system. The games looked cool, too bad. They had a chance too come with honesty and speak about the worries head on. The 'thank you gamers for making us money' to the gamers is also a way to not mention the backlash and make it look like the press is the fault of it all and 'We do not blame the gamers for the backlash'. Guess what? If they really were thankful for the community they would have made some consessions to the community and adressed the DRM & Kinect worries right away and admitting they are harsh. They make it look like they give a shit, but in fact they didn't say anything. They hope to make it look like it is just the same as before, but it is shamefully not. Still buying a PS4/PC only.
I do like the fact that the main focus was definitely on the games. As a gamer, I want both the PS4 and XB1 to do very well. I love playing the best games that all the consoles have to offer. I believe their conference did a lot to assuage the fears of many people. Still not feeling the DRM aspect fo the console though.
@Tyre - Yeah the thank you to gamers was like a huge slap in the face. It's like the guy announcing killer instinct and having the audacity to claim they are listening.. just one huge slap in the face.
You think you're getting a raw deal, at €500, it's $660 right off the bat, no Xbox Live at all. Can Europeans be outraged now?
It's the same with all electronics though here in the UK at least.. Sony did it with the Vita, Apple do it with their products too. It's sad but something we've had to deal with for years.
Though after extensive travel to the US and having the ability to pick up games and hardware at what I would consider super cheap, I just can't get used to the insanely high prices knowing I'm being ripped off.
if you love sony so much go read playstation articles idiot...
They redeemed themselves in terms of games....other things not so much but it was a good conference regardless of what anyone says or thinks. They showed us games and games that look like they will be really good too. That is a solid lineup that will compete against Sony but in terms of pure games, we will be getting some very good ones in the next 1-3 years.
I agree, MS has stated from the beginning their conference will be focused on games and nothing more. There is a reason they cancelled all post conference interview in the first place. Although it did not changed anything with regards to the restrictions. They did what they set out to do.
I really enjoyed MS conference, I will be noting one day one for sure.
@NucaCola, Sony fanboys used to claim that Insomniac and Resistance were great. Now after the Xbone exclusive their franchises are being insulted. Hypocrisy runs through all sides. That being said, I am really looking forward to Sony's conference. SONY IF YOU CAN GET THE PS4 TO BE $349 I WILL BUILD A SHRINE TO THE HOLY TRINITY OF KAZ, MARK CERNEY, AND NATHAN DRAKE!!!!!
i felt like they showed alot of decent titles. . . that could easily run on ps360/wiiu. i'm still not impressed with so called next gen graphics. and at 499? the wiiu is saved
That's what I'm saying. They showed a lot of great stuff but nothing was jaw dropping to me.
Cryteks game looked great MGSV stole the show (but its on PS4 as well lol) Titanfall looked amazing. First 360 exclusive in years that I'm actually jealous about Waiting on Sony to deliver. I think the lack of Kinect will lower its cost to around $399
Good thing titanfall is also on PC then huh?
If you want Titanfall, but don't want to buy an Xbox One, you can get it on PC! I have spoken.
Yeah definitely getting Titalfall on PC. But still going to be a big deal for console plebs. Going to maintain a big portion of 360's core XBL shooter base.
Quantum Break looked awesome aswell as Dead Rising 3. 2 core exclusives.
^^^ Really I thought Dead Rising 3 was one of the low points, last gen graphics, brown muddy art style, emphasis on shooting, that series looks pretty much dead to me.
You have to remember like with all consoles the first gen games won't fully take advantage of the graphic capabilities of the system. I'm a positive that down the line you'll when these consoles mature more we'll start to see the mind blowing stuff.
I agree, one of the better E3's MS has had in years(isnt saying too much) but they hardly "killed Sony" like MS claimed they would. sony would have to drop the ball pretty hard for MS to have killed.
IMO, Microsofts conference was decent, but had nothing mind blowing, at least they showed games. I agree it was there best E3 for a long time, but yea just like you said that's not saying much lol. They did show plenty of exclusives, but the ones they showed didn't look that impressive, Ryse was the best for me, and I would like to play it. But TitanFall is multiplatform, it's available on 3 different platforms. So overall the games they showed still isn't good enough for me to choose the Xbox over PS4, I'm sure Sony will have a strong showing, with over 40 games to be shown.
From content wise, games, it was good. The Price for it, not much. Probably the price went up with the Kinect integrated. And I don't like the DRM robust model.
The games impressed me specially MGS5 and Battlefield 4. And PlayStation 4 will be getting those. Titanfall and Dead Rising 3 are pretty strong exclusives for xbox one but it as so many anti-consumer issues that i just feel like forgetting those games.
The question has to be asked though, in the case of Dead Rising etc, how long will they stay exclusive? Dead Rising 1 was suppose to be exclusive back on the 360, along with lost planet, bioshock, mass effect etc.. they all. it was not a bad showing, but none of it took my mind of the drm issues and all the rest of the crap they have tried to pull off.
well you cant have everything (unless you have a crap ton of money) but PS4 will surelly prove to be the one that offers the most of it.
Well I can have just about anything I want but that conference did nothing to get my wallet to open up.
At first, Ryse looked cool until all the NG3 style QTE happened. The only thing I liked about the rest was Dead Rising 3 and I think it could be timed exclusive. KI looked kinda cool, but I'm not sure I'd shell out money for it. Titanfall isn't truly exclusive, so if it's good I might try it on steam. All in all, it could've been worse for MS, but since the console is so restrictive, I'm not even anticipating the games for it. I mean, it's so unattractive that when I see Dead Rising 3 or KI, I say "meh, I'll miss on that" without caring too much. I'm sure they'll be great games, but the console is way too repulsive to even consider gaming on it. And I never talked about the price yet...
I enjoyed the conference and can't wait to see the other ones later today.
Predictable and users are forced to pay for Kinect and Live Gold. One games should be cheaper to reflect that fact that often half of the game is inaccessible and require additional payment to use. Probably propriety hard drives at extortionate prices too. The only thing that would have convinced me to get an One would have been free basic online MP. It's a $560 console that goes up in price by 60 dollars every year. I fell for it with 360, not being a fool twice.
Wait, isn't their a camera bundled with the PS4?
Yes it is! But it's not required for the console to operate! How's things going on the DRM front of things on the Xbox1?
Even if PS Eye 2 is bundled, it is cheaper in production than Kinect. It has less sensors: 2 cams, 4 microphones. Maybe it's twice cheaper.
I didn't say the camera was mandatory, I just responded to the above poster who said they are "forced to pay for Kinect". Same thing applies for PS4, you'll be buying that camera whether you like it or not.
Jeff, the point mochachino was making is that Kinect will make up a substantial portion of the cost of XBone - much more so than the Eye will to the PS4. I think he makes a good point; it's not okay. ..but I think you know that's what he meant... ;)
What I hated the most, instead of spending a few min to clear up some of the negative press, they'd rather "Sweep it under the rug" with all these games, starting with MGS 5 to help "curb" some of the negative energy so people leave with a somewhat positive note. Killer Instinct in my opinion died when it left Nintendo; with the new game I am NOT impressed with it. The other games looked decent at best, I'm still waiting to see what Sony does with almost double the roster of game reveals. No I'm not holding a biased opinion, I am however upset how MS handled this years E3. Honestly I don't see how the $500 price tag is going to justify all the negative reaction, press, and STILL have to pay for Live.
They already sent out a release saying how they would deal with DRM and used games. They stated repeatedly that E3 was about the games. So why would you expect them to talk about anything else? What I would like are for the same questions asked about MS's used/lending/renting policies directed at Sony and it's PS4.
''Probably propriety hard drives at extortionate prices too. '' HHD's of Xbox One cannot be replaced. http://www.engadget.com/201... People have to buy an external HDD. And if the main HDD brokes, the console is done.
I'm sure if the drive dies you can have Microsoft fix it, you just may not be able to replace it yourself.
Even if MS fixes it, you can be sure your data is lost, and while you can no doubt(I would figure) get it all back, re-installing all your games again just to play would a pain.
Holy Sh!t, I did not know that... :O Dafuq?!!
Ugh, that's even worse. I was a borderline 360 fanboy but after years of getting it up the A by MS with broken consoles and pay to play online I'm done. Especially at $500 plus yearly $60 live subscriptions. I thought at least they'd lower basic online to $30 per annum. I can't bring myself to pay the price of a brand new release AAA just to access part of a game I already paid full price for.
it was okay
I thought it was their best conference for years, they showed some decent games and kept the bullshit to a minimum. That said I'm getting really tired of hearing them pap on about "enhanced by the cloud" as though its some kind of mystical technology nobody understands.
"I thought it was their best conference for years, they showed some decent games and kept the bullshit to a minimum." - agreed but that still doesn't make me want to buy one. I'm not convinced by Microsofts strategy.
Unfortunately I see a lot of people like this.
So what would be your response if Sony announces DRM and other similar issues?
I would be pissed too but the kicker is not just DRM. The Xbox has to be online every 24 hrs BS + Kinect always plugged in and PRISM spying means an absolute no to the xbone. Never ever.
Exactly, if Sony announces DRM and online checks, I'm going to seriously facepalm at any Sony fan who backtracks on all their thoughts on the Xbone.
@ Stage88. Come on man. Do you really think MS has hired a factory of workers to watch everyone through their kinect? It's an add-on, that's all. This "spying" on you crap is so far out of left field it makes me laugh. Yes, it remembers stuff, so it recalls the person in front of the camera. If you think anyone anywhere is going to be watching you play video games then I really don't know what to tell you.
I really hope Sony will loudly announce: NO. ONLINE. DRM. If anything happens, PC is always the free alternative, but I really hope that the mainstream console won't get any of this restrictions and continues the PS3 way without security holes.