EDGE - Xbox One’s piracy and pre-owned plan will ensure developers get paid for their work – and Sony could follow suit.
Obviously but who keeps them afloat consumers or the Devs?
Pro-industry? What's a industry with no consumers?
Definitely a ridiculous article from Edge. Next article: The worlds best water park without the use of water. ;)
Anti-industry? What are consumers without industry? Fight piracy, keep studios from going out of business, keep costs down, more games etc etc. Consumers will follow the products they wan't. MSFT already sees the effect with deals with EA & Respawn etc.
^ "What are consumers without industry?" Bored people who will probably find other sources for entertainment??? An industry without consumers are people without jobs. The video game industry NEEDS consumers kiddo. Not the other way around.
Well it seems we have become a generation compliant to change even if it has a negative effect to the community. I guess sales is more important than basic consumer rights these days.
the problem is, the vocal online community is still not the majority, and the majority, quite frankly, don't give a f#$*. Sorry.
@green - Industry survives because of consumer needs/wants, not the other way around. Industry may try to anticipate and/or influence consumer needs and wants, but that doesn't mean industry will get it right when they do that.
Not to jump in here, but the consumers needs and wants in this industry are videogames, last time I checked the xbox one will have video games. I am not a big fan of these new policies btw, but I am more on the "I don't give a fuck" side of things also.
@ Montrealien It's people like you with a diminutive amount of intelligence that these policies were even considered in the first place. You're incapable of seeing the bigger picture. Blinded by brand loyalty and ignoring your rights as a overall consumer for video games.
Well, that was nice of you. Maybe I should post on N4G for the last 4 years on how xbots and dum and Sony is god like you, would that make me smarter? Will that help me see the bigger picture? edit: sorry, that was off topic. the only point I wanted to bring up is that as a passionate gamer, I will have all the consoles anyways, so since I support all consoles, the fact that one of them is a little extreme on the DRM side of things, I do have many choices and I do support all consoles. That's why for me, I don't really give a F$&* about how MS seems to be approching this gen.
@ Montreal This is not about fanboyism, core gamers, casual gamers or people that are vocal against MS practices on the internet. This is about consumers in general and their rights and if you think otherwise you're just fooling yourself. Let the majority of consumers know that they can't do whathever the hell they want with their property and lets see how many of them will support MS greed. Unlike fanboys consumers care more about themselves and their rights than they care about multi billion $ companies and their greed.
You know what's good for the industry? Taking care of your consumers and you don't look after your consumers by dictating to them how and when they use a product they've purchased from you. You want to protect against piracy, I'm 100% for that. Secure your damn hardware. That's how it's done. Not by telling me I can't lend my game to my brother in law for a week, or telling a third in the US without high speed internet to go pound sand. 40% of 360 users out there never signed up for a XBL account, but I'm sure they'll all be happy to be forced online this go around. I'm a passionate gamer as well, but being a passionate gamer doesn't mean I'm going to throw my money at a product with policies I don't support. It's not like there's going to be a shortage of great games to play if I skip the XBox One this generation in the hopes that Microsoft smartens the hell up.
Yeah but you're still going to buy it. Whether it has DRM or not. If you don't then no one will miss you, you would be in the minority.
Going by the last two gens, MS fans are the minority.
Not in North America they are not and maybe Microsoft just decided to not care about anything else and just settle with the North American market since they know many consumers here won't care to much about controversies of their new policies and just buy sh$%.
@Montrealien - I think you're mostly right about that. it remains to be seen whether NA consumers will ultimately go for the One, but I think there's no question MS's decisions about the One will negatively impact worldwide sales, and not by a small amount. I wonder what percentage of the 360s that were never taken online was sold in NA, because a decent percentage of that number won't buy a One just because of the online requirement. Others may be turned off by some other factor or factors. We shall see. I hope for your sake, and the sake of all who buy a One, MS changes their mind about some things before launch.
I completly agree, imho one thing would make this a whole lot better, and that is to give you some form of "Offline" mode, like we get with steam.
'Obviously but who keeps them afloat consumers or the Devs?' Both surely? Who do you think makes the games?
no see you don't undestand, in this case developers are not cared about, but in the case of the wiiu it's all that matters. n4g logic
WRONG! It will ensure PUBLISHERS and UPPER MANAGEMENT get paid more. DEVELOPERS get paid for their work as they get a salary no matter if the game succeeds or fail. They rarely, extremely rarely, get anything more than that based on game sales. The mass majority of this money will go to higher management, not to the developers.
"Microsoft’s Xbox One policies might be ‘anti-consumer’, but they’re pro-industry" That is a contradiction. If consumers don't want to touch Xbox One or Buy Xbox One games, how on earth is that helping the game industry? The INDUSTRY relies on Consumers. THE END.
They lost one customer here who purchased the original xbox and xbox 360 when both released. See you later Microsoft!!!
And there's already millions of people waiting to support the Xbox One. The only people who think consumers won't touch the Xbox One are a small subset of a small subset of people, many of whom don't currently support Microsoft in any sort of large capacity. Even if you hate Xbox One, saying it won't sell is ignorant of reality. And I'm not even talking about hypothetical console war stuff -- pre-orders are already through the roof.
and millions who will leave it for dust..
@Dark Witness That's right. Some people buy things and other people don't buy things. Thanks for your input. That's still neither here nor there. The proof is already there that this isn't a device that's going to out and out fail.
@ matgrowcott Why is It so hard to believe that a console that has yet to win a gen will fail. Some of you must really think that the Xbox 360 was the best selling console or something. If we try to predict console sales based previous generations, PS3 and WiiU would be the best selling ever. MS has only had one successful gen, ONE. How are they immune to poor sales?
@KingElixer They're not immune to poor sales and nobody is saying they are. Get off of this exact corner of the internet for two minutes, go off onto the Microsoft's Facebook page or a MS fansite (somewhere where the people who will actually buy this stuff are hanging around), or better, go on outside and speak to a few casual gamers. There are a lot of people excited for the Xbox One. That's based on a couple of CGI trailers and the reveal of the TV stuff. Wait for Halo and Gears to get a showing, and the excitement will triple. Will they "win" next-gen? Will they even sell enough to be around after the Xbox One? That's not what I'm saying and there's no information to even hazard a guess. What I'm saying is that people who reckon it'll be a complete failure and that "consumers" (as if they talk for anybody but themselves) will ignore it aren't getting their facts straight. People WILL buy this thing and they'll do so in their millions.
Matt has a point, but nobody here is speaking for the soccer mums, super casuals, blends of each and all in betweens. They're talking about the core type of customer turning their backs from being upset. Many of the most ardent 360 fans on n4g are pissed... Do you really think this subset on this corner is isolated. .. course not. Doesn't mean it wont sell but those forums of happy people you mentioned may increase or decrease depending on tonight. The subset gets the ball rolling with multiple purchases of multiple games in a more frequent nature. X's loss is y's gain. Anti consumer IS anti industry . How some of these people are still here k-y'in up their rear ends is saddening. Care more for the gamer...if you're a gamer
@ matgrowcott I agree with you. Thinking the Xbox one will be a total failure is ridiculous. Hoping It's not half way successful as the 360, is very possible.
@ matgrowcott you do have a point and at the same time take a look at the 360 forums and look at how many people are saying they wont be buying it. There was poll on there somewhere and the majority of people where actually saying they would NOT be buying the xbone. If the fans on MS own 360 forum are upset and saying they are not buying, surely that is saying something.
Another day at N4G, another bullsh*t article.
Don't shoot the messenger.
From the comment section: Just like dictatorship is anti-civilian and pro-government.-Chris Boer ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That sums it up.
how can you be pro-industry while being anti-consumer when the industry is dependant on the consumer...
And people tell me Edge is a serie mag/site with standards ?
I came to rip apart this article too, but I see ive been beat too it. +bubs for everyone
This annoys me '' Believe what you like, but Microsoft’s approach to Xbox One is a simple reflection of what game developers and publishers have wanted for years. Now that Microsoft has given publishers the option to recoup money every time one of their games is re-sold, do you think they’ll turn that down? How many of the studios that have been closed in the last few years might have survived, had all that revenue returned to the game industry rather than retail?'' Set aside that the Devs and Pubs already got paid by the 1st sale, when a company sells millions of copy's of a game and still don't turn a profit there is something else going on behind the scenes that HAS to be addressed and it has nothing to do with the consumer.
It has everything to do with the consumer. Go ahead and spend 20 minutes on Amazon Reviews and then tell us all how the downscaling of the AAA side of the industry would go down. It could be argued that at some point developers overstretched themselves, probably quite a while before the economy broke down and just as gaming was beginning to get a mainstream following, but how many of you were complaining then? How many people moaned about the price of the PS3 (and later, the Vita)? How many people are complaining that much of what we've seen on next-gen consoles has been available for use on PCs for ages? Taking a step back isn't an option, charging more for games isn't an option. As much as the couch analysts want to argue to the contrary, there's no simple solution here. A few concessions may make things easier in the long run and the industry may get back on track. Maybe not.
I'll reply to your 1st paragraph as the next two I don't have an opinion on, when you hear of Publishers not only talking about AAA games but actually start saying AAAA, its completely their problem, who asked for such a thing? Costs to develop games should becoming cheaper but because of skethcy business practices we get crazy sales expectations and when not met, we get all sorts of excuses. As for your last paragraph I agree with.
"who asked for such a thing" We all did, even in some vague way. Every time we complain about a game's graphics - many of us without any knowledge of how those graphics work - we're sending a message to the developers. Call of Duty's graphics are fine (if a little uninspiring), especially at 60FPS, but they're one of the things that people complain about over and over again. Now, it might just be that people complain for the sake of complaining, but it's still sending a message, and when people are drooling over Battlefield 3 as well, that sends another message. I agree that there are problems here and that part of that is in pubs deciding a game will sell more than it will, but it goes far deeper than that as well. We're all to blame (or rather we've influenced it), either directly or indirectly.
Just to point out... A LOT of people complained about the price of the ps3 when it launched... so much so that in Japan the ps3 got a price drop before it had even officially launched. In UK and US it got a price cut within it's first year. How many consoles have actually done that in the first year. I remember the big launch event they had at the virgin store in London, the turn out was lower then expected to the point that they gave out free 40" TV's for the people who did turn up and still the console didn't sell out. Sony F-ed up big time with the ps3 launch, but they made the right moves to turn that around. in the end though if we really do care about all this then it's down to us to vote with our wallets, but I do believe we can make a difference and it's not something that is only getting ugly because it's MS.
Ahhh of course, because it's the publishers and developers that make Microsoft profits. Not the people that but the games. What am I like. So naive...
People are gong to buy the Xbox one. That's how the developers will get paid. Only an idiot wouldn't buy a game console because they can't let their friend borrow a game. I don't purchase items with my friends in mind, I purchase items so I can use them. My friends have jobs, they can buy their own games. Who cares if they can't borrow it? Not my problem because I have it and ill be playing it.
Thank you. A friend and I spoke about the same thing yesterday.. I like my games on deck so I could play. I dont trade games because its a waste of money and games top is a ripoff. I buy games for myself, others are the last thing on my mind when I'm buying a game. I can see the people complaining about used games being younger than 18. like I say, if the Xbox doesn't fit your lifestyle, buy the competition and see how far it gets you.
It's the type of person who see's crimes being committed yet does nothing. Saying "oh it's not my problem". That is why people are so easily taken advantage of. I've got mine F everyone else. It's just sad really.
Sell your unwanted games yourself then and stop rellying on gamestop or whoever?! I like to buy films or DVDs, I can watch a great film and lend it to a friend who is now aware of this great filmaker etc.. At some point I'm going to have a large ammount of DVDs I maybe dont watch anymore clogging up my house. What do I do? Keep them? Throw them away? No. I sell them on, make some money and create some space.
I would tell my friend about the movie and let them figure how to watch it. there's countries without electricity, should MS cater the Xbox one toward them as well?
love the attitude.. I often ask my brother what games he is getting especially single player games because if there are say 2 or 3 games coming out in one month he will buy one and I will buy the other. Once we are done with them we swap round. I am going to be 34 this year, my bro 30. He works in the games industry by the way. So no, we are not all 18 or younger. And yes we are both planning to buy the competition and I expect it will get us far enough. "there's countries without electricity, should MS cater the Xbox one toward them as well? " if the opportunity was there to have the xboxone powered by horse shit, do you think MS would pass up?
Well, that's why the Xbox one allows you to share games with at least 10 family/friends.. Now he won't have to bring the game to you, instead you just play it without the hassle. I'm sure no one cares about this awesome feature except myself and the people I game with though. Its much better than watching someone else play, a feature that Sony proposed
@ BABYLEG Lololol.... I thought you just said "I buy games for myself, others are the last thing on my mind when I'm buying a game." Now all of a sudden it's awesome that you can share games with the "people" you game with online.. lolol , what a joker !!
I agree. I'll buy it and enjoy it. I've never bought a used game, and never loaned one to someone else. All this moaning and gnashing of teeth is no doubt limited to children and people who evidently can't afford a new console (how could they? they can't afford to buy games for them.) anyway. And you know what? I don't care about them, and I'm sure there is no reason for MS to care either, since they've all declared they won't buy the system anyway.
Please .. i dont plan on buying used games either ... but less options and more restrictions are just that , LESS stuff . You could replace used games with losing a toe (after all who cares you still got more right ?) , or any feature , and you'd still find guys rationalizing something negative with MS (or Sony or Nintendo as well mind you)
Yeah this doesn't cut it MS. Consumers are what drives the industry. Edit- Also how come everyone has at least 5 bubbles now? Have I missed something?
Were all friends now that MS have messed up. There are no MS fans left. There are no arguments any more. No need for a bubble system. MS have united N4G.
http://n4g.com/user/blogpos... Apparently they did it for E3 so that everyone can discuss the event and they also have a new system coming in that is going to replace the bubbles system.
Thanks for the heads up!
The articles right. Companies have tobdo what's best to stay afloat. I only see one console manufacturer who's planning for the future. Way I see it.. The ps4 and wiiU are competing while Microsoft competes with Amazon, Google, Apple, Sony, Nintendo. do you guys see the difference? Microsoft is going for a complete takeover which is why they created the one how they did. NINTENDO and Sony are happy only making console and games while losing tons of money in the process. Microsoft eliminates a huge loss with the Xbox one because we pay Xbox live. I know Sony and Nintendo wish they had thought of pay to play online. Online never use to be possible on game consoles, that's why is should be a paid feature. Sure I would love it for free, but that's only if I want my favorite company to eventually go under
An unbelievable case of delusion right here. I'd get lubing now if I were you.
Currently Xbox One is beating PS4 in preordering on Amazon.co.uk website, if thats the case, then there is the customers right there, and so no biggie. I am also getting it as well, thats another, friends are getting it as well also another. Say what you will Publishers will not have one console protecting them from used games an have another completely open, Sony has left it up to the publishers, well guess what those publishers, are gonna try to push restrictions to the PS4 because if the PS4 lets the publishers decide if they want to block used games or not, then that means some form of architecture is in the ps4. It can be activated by a silent update or a system update. Heck it can be activated when putting the game in or downloading a patch. Microsoft started a dangerous game, Sony will follow suit not now but sooner or later.
Oh really? http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/...
K i dont see any preorder list, if i am wrong thanks for correcting me, but direct me to the page, I said that because people were posting news about it, and pics, so i was going off by that, if you coul show me the preorder rank location that would be swell
That is the best sellers list, the one where people actually put money down.
Ahh ok well both PS4 and XboxOne are down, but Last of us HAHA amazing game, glad its number 1 truly deserving :)
Sony are at #14 and X1 is #20 in the link The_Klank provided.
Yep,almost every single decision is for the benefit of the industry(MS,Publishers,Gamesto p) Consumer sucks.
I've always thought : open your arms to your customers and they'll come, not string them with handcuffs and hope they'll give into your business. The worst is that MS seems to be getting away with it thanks to misinformation.
Of course all this is software, if it fails it can be removed, plus those restrictions the borrowing of games, and gifting those are publishers choices right? You can have a publisher say ok you can give it to 5 of your friends, not one, or a publisher says that you have ti pay a used game fee. Just because something is there doesn't mean it will be used constantly. I guarantee EA and Activision will use these DRMS Everyone else not so sure