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Submitted by Terrordactyl99 565d ago | opinion piece

Xbox One’s DRM policy clarified and it’s just as bad as we expected

Today Microsoft detailed the Xbox One’s used game policies, and guess what, they’re as bad as we thought. Publishers want a slice of the used game pie, but are they biting the hand that feeds by trying to impose anti-consumer restrictions? (Xbox One)

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mcroddi  +   565d ago
they have been forced into an anti consumer product by publishers that were sick and tired of loosing money in my opinion. they budged. Sad.
lucidity  +   565d ago | Well said
We don't know that they've been forced to do anything. Microsoft are perfectly capable of making bad decisions all on their lonesome.
abzdine  +   565d ago | Well said
i dont know why they are holding an E3 conference cause no one would buy that thing after all this mess, no matter what games they reveal!
HammadTheBeast  +   565d ago
No but MS have been great at throwing off the blame to publishers.

They haven't stated that "We build the goddamn infrastructure for this $***" they've just blamed it all on "publishers are mean".
Rusty515  +   565d ago | Well said
I never understood this used game conflict for publishers. Don't they know that there's a used market for anything? Clothes, furniture, fucking toasters, EVERYTHING. If they're getting so butthurt about loosing money, they should cut down on their damn production and marketing costs, simple as that. They shouldn't punish their consumers just because they can't manage their money well. They shouldn't be getting butthurt about what WE do with OUR products that we PAID for.
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Raf1k1  +   565d ago
@ abzdine, you can say that but with MS's marketing budget and the fact that the system is still quite attractive to the average consumer I reckon it will still sell well.
unchartedxplorer  +   565d ago
@Rusty. Clothes, furniture and toasters wear down with time eventually. However with games though it will never wear down. It will always be in its current state. The used game market problem is a unique one. If it wasn't, we would have had a solution by now.
MysticStrummer  +   565d ago
@unchartedxplorer - Explain the sale of used CDs, DVDs, and BluRays then.
dark-hollow  +   565d ago
@unchartedxplorer
games never get scratched or dirty? a scratched game wont sell for as much as a clean one. even though,
what about used movie DVDs/BLUERAYs, music CDS, books, non electrical kitchen appliances like plates, forks etc. all those provide you with the same quality as if you were purchased them new unless they are damaged (which can happen to games disks too)

there is one reason for this crap and its they want more $$$$$$$
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JokesOnYou  +   565d ago
"No but MS have been great at throwing off the blame to publishers."

Wasn't it sony who was the first to said used games were up to the publishers? lol
Dee_91  +   565d ago
I dont think they budged, they more so bargained a deal, and originally wanted a piece of the pie, but after the backlash they decided that charging an extra fee wasnt in their best interest so instead they threw the publishers under the bus... well the publishers were already under the bus so I guess they threw a couple of people in the bus and gave the bus driver gas money.
I mean its pretty obvious with those restrictions their intentions were to have a stronghold on the used game market.

@JokesOnYou
The blaring differences between Sony saying its up to the publishers and when MSFT said its up to the publishers have been explained plenty of times, and im quite sure youve read it already.
However if theres a chance you didnt read the difference I will try to explain in the most simplest way possible.
PS4 doesnt require you to be online,therefore limiting publishers restrictions on second hand deals.So when Sony says its up to publishers they mean,it will be like this gen, where publishers can add online pass, make the game online only etc.
Whereas with XBOne, you are required to be on the internet and you are required to install the game.This gives publishers ALOT more power to restrict second hand deals, so much that they can prohibit it even on games that doesnt have an online aspect.
So when MSFT say its up to the Publishers they really mean its completely up to the publishers and they gave them the platform to have complete freedom.

I will also add.Implementing an DRM on your game wont stop it from being pirated.Look at SimsCity, if that game didnt have those restrictions theres a chance it wouldve been less pirated.Prime example of greed leading to to an ultimate demise.
Like gambling or robbing a bank.You keep going because of your greed until you lose all your money or get caught.
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loulou  +   565d ago
dmarc

i have a feeling that the difference for second hand games on the ps4 will be the pass only.

i cant be bothered to write a wall of text. but i think that the disc will come with a once only activation code for ps4 games. then when you sell it, in the partner only chains. you will have to pay either an extra fee in the shop for a new activation code. or you take it home, and buy the code on-line when you boot it up in your ps4 that is connected.

if you sell it anywhere else, then the buyer either connects and pays, or goes to the shop and pays.. simple

and, the activation fee will be the same across both platforms.

either way, you still pay extra. and yes i think it is obvious that m$ are not the only platform holder with drm on their console.
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AlphamusPrime  +   565d ago
@MysticStrummer

Publishers of music and movies have alternative sources of revenue outside of CDs, DVDs and Blurays that they don't have to worry about the used market as much. Music can get royalty fees from radio stations and music sites such as Pandora and Spotify. Movies make tons of money from theater tickets before moving their movies to DVD and bluray. Games on the other hand don't have these alternative sources of revenue, so they get hurt a lot more from used game sales.
Sony360  +   565d ago
Publishers, Microsoft; No matter which of them forces restrictions on everyone, people will still fucking buy it.
Honestly look at what M$ is trying to do.

All they do is try to be favored by publishers.

They constantly keep paying for dlc and now they pay EA to make Respawn's game 360, One and pc only.

All this used game crap is M$ plan to make publishers love them.

It's a popularity contest.

I bet Xbox One will have the better version of COD:Ghost. Watch even though ps4 is more powerful and is x86.

ps4 gamers will have something so complain about.

Do I think Bugs can be left in other versions do to partnerships??

Yes I do. Why would that be hard to believe??
This is America!!!
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Dee_91  +   565d ago
@loulou
Considering activation codes to play single player games are only on some PC games now,you can still use that activation or security code on multiple PC's.But I get what you mean it is a possibility to implement something like that, a horrible possibility and with the way things are going now I wouldn't be surprised if they did implement a new form of DRM like what you mentioned, but they should expect an even bigger backlash,so in a way I wouldn't be surprised if they don't

Also why do you "think it is obvious that m$ are not the only platform holder with drm on their console" ? I mean wouldnt you say the same about current gen? wouldnt it be obvious ps3 will charge for online since the 360 does?
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STEWIE_PLAY_PS4  +   565d ago
That were brought to reveal Xbox one system to stay alright last 2 week ago.
Do that wont change XBOX ONE LOL
Idk cancel.

u hand up to eye cry.
loulou  +   565d ago
dmarc

i honestly think that is reality. what are we going to? not alot really if we want to play games. and both know it. drm or not, i am still buying both cosoles this year.

whereas m$ version will be verified on-line, i honestly think that sony have opted for the activation code version.

both are part of the partner plan with publishers and large chain stores. and both will have a set fee for reactivation on another console.

this is what the future holds.

edit. why? because a flatout denial would have made the xbox 1 stillborn and gifted sony next gen. and they know it! one little sentence pretty much removes any threat posed.

plus, any unilateral decision by microsft could quite easily have been blocked by the publishers. why? would they risk investing x millions making games for a console that will be destroyed if they go it alone on this? i dont think so.

yet the talk of partner shops and stuff, speaks volumes, and tells me that this was negotiated and decided a while ago.

also, the wii-us almost non-existent third party support. the excuse that the "install base is not large enough" is just rubbish. both xbox 1 and ps4 have sold ZERO consoles, yet are being supported. why? because they have drm! that is why
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Ritsujun  +   565d ago
Microgravedigging.
fr0sty  +   565d ago
I've been trying to find the reasoning behind MS castrating their core gamer market the way they have been. Certainly they don't think the casuals will buy into a box to watch tv on that you have to connect the box you already watch tv on in order for it to work... Certainly they don't think that kinect is going to sell it, especially when you have TVs from LAST YEAR that do all that stuff already (see link below). The casual market isn't going to buy this stuff!

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Hook that TV up to a PS4, you have the best of both worlds.
BootyBandit  +   565d ago
@mcroddi

It's not MS it's the publishers?

Did the publishers make MS charge to play games online on the XBOX & the 360 (XBL)?

Did Epic make MS charge for the 1st DLC on the original Gears of War?

Answer to both = NO

This is MS's doing. You and other apologist can say otherwise but we, those don't live in a fantasy world, know the truth. MS paved the way for this greed in console gaming.

They are the ones that designed a system to be always on. They can try to pretend all they want it's not always on with this nonsensical verification every 24 hrs. Anyone with a shred of common sense knows that means a continual connection. Who is going to literally sign in / turn on their XBOX ONE every single day? You're not. MS will check through Wifi or a hardwired connection when the unit is off.

They are the ones forcing consumers to have a camera connected for the unit to work so "hopefully" their consumers will purchase crappy shovel ware games. Personally this always active camera is creepy. Especially considering the whole PRISM scandal and the fact MS has been accused of spying on people through Skype as well. Conspiracy theorist or not, why give them the opportunity?

This whole multimedia device vs being a hardcore gaming console 1st and foremost is a joke. Stop pretending MS are the victims. They are the aggressors.

They (MS), as the manufacturer of the hardware, are the ones that set the precedent with their design. Not vice versa.

How people still defend MS with what they are doing to an industry most of us love? It simply boggles my mind.
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N4Flamers  +   565d ago
@alphamusprime

so you say games have no other way to make revenue huh? have you heard of dlc? Have you considered releasing a game digitally over a network? Publishers charge for avatars or clothes for avatars, static themes, dynamic themes, toys, clothes, partnerships with doritos, mountain dew... Do some research.

How about you stop apologizing for developers and give us a reason why we should keep playing a game. Why dont they add incentive to keep a game like dlc, or allowing user mods on consoles instead of constantly trying to get over on the guy that is bored with your game a week later. There are plenty of things they can do to keep people playing a game, but they require thought and imagination.
cheetah  +   565d ago
Not only is this move by MS/EA/Activision a way of controlling the used games market, it is also aimed at raising the price of new games. People don't realize this.

If you remove the attraction of buying cheaper second hand games by setting a higher price, then you leave the consumer with only one option and that is new games. Now that they have us by the balls people like Bobby Kotick know that they can lift the retail price for new games.

It's like pizza hut here in Australia. They used to sell large pizzas for $8 and that was the only size they had, a new CEO comes in from the States and introduces a new medium pizza for $7, guess what happened? No one buys the medium pizza and the large is now $11.
windblowsagain  +   564d ago
Yep that's correct.

It's called the 360.

Rushed out the door, xbone will probably have the same problems.

Anyway doing the math I've worked out that.

77million - 7million rrod.
Other faults - 3million
Banned consoles - 2million

People angry at xbox one and not buying it.

??????

My top end guesstimate for xboxone.

45million.
Pro Racer  +   564d ago
"Reports about our policies for trade in and resale are inaccurate and incomplete."

-Major Nelson (05/24/13)

Sounds like we pretty much nailed their policies back then. So MS doesn't profit off of used games, but publishers have the option of taking a cut. I can't wait! You just know how this is going to turn out with EA's track record, and it won't be good.
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Takwin  +   564d ago
@lucidity - so well put. Microsoft has always gobbled up companies and devoured global markets, but making asinine anti-consumer policies and products is their bread and butter.
fermcr  +   565d ago
This is good news for my wallet. I'm saving money. One less console to purchase.
Consoldtobots  +   564d ago
I have absolutely ZERO interest in the xbox brand this time around.

RROD = 1billion +

Buying into former ps exclusives + timed dlc = 50 million a pop

Only to alienate 90% of your demographic instead of building on it = PRICELESS
HammadTheBeast  +   565d ago | Well said
When did publishers lose money? The industry has always been like this.

It's greed. Getting money from you after the game has been sold.

Its no longer about the DLC or expansions, no, its about screwing over consumers.
Eamon  +   565d ago
This I agree. No one is losing money.

This is just an opportunity to make more money. This DRM will flop just like all inappropriate DRM have flopped.

I'm sure when a lot of people realise you can't get used games for Xbox One, they will be put off buying one and MS will have to make a U-turn once more like they did with the Start Button in W8.
dragonyght  +   565d ago
when gamestop started the practice of selling used copy 5 dollar less than a bring new games on launch window of that game and pushing every customers who come to their store to buy the used game over the bring new ones

i.e heavy rain sold over 2mil copy and dev statistic show over 4 million player play the game. that's a real problem

that said i don't support any form of DRM that restrict gamer ownership publisher just have to find a happy medium where everybody can be happy and MS new policy aren't it
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Dee_91  +   565d ago
@dragonyght
" heavy rain sold over 2mil copy and dev statistic show over 4 million player play the game. that's a real problem "

Im like 99.9% sure those are people on different profiles playing the game.Whats next,every profile is required to buy the game now?
HammadTheBeast  +   565d ago
@Dmarc

Getting there.

One new amazing "feature" listed for the Xbox 1 is its ability to allow up to 10 family members to play the game on their own accounts !

How wonderful and innovative.
dragonyght  +   565d ago
@Dmarc

"Im like 99.9% sure those are people on different profiles playing the game.Whats next,every profile is required to buy the game now?"

lol you not seriously implying that every single person that play heavy rain also play in a second profile are you? cuase that would stupid.

if you are than im pretty sure you never play HR. they are no initiative to play HR on second profile even if for trophies cause you can get all the ending and trohpies in single save
N4Flamers  +   565d ago
@dragonyght.

you said heavy rain sold 2 million copies but there were 4 million people playing it? Did you mean all together or at once?
Im sure you mean all together, so what youre saying is that every one that bought a copy of heavy rain (2mil) sold it and then gamestop resold it(the other 2 mil) It's more than likely (since I have my copy still) that most people were put off by the plotholes and sold their game and some bought it months later when they implemented move controls.
Pro Racer  +   564d ago
@ Eamon

Hopefully you're right and enough customers make a stand against this new DRM. I am however worried about how many people will unknowingly buy a console - be it for their kids, as a gift for their friend, etc. Plenty of parents won't even bother to read up on the details of the Xbox One prior to making the purchase, contributing to MS' sales.
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dedicatedtogamers  +   565d ago
After May 21st reveal:

Major Nelson: "Thank you for your feedback. We are listening closely!"

June 7th policy reveal (identical to what we feared)

Major Nelson: "..."
HammadTheBeast  +   565d ago
Only difference is the "We will be exploring loaning games in the future."
Testfire  +   565d ago
"they have been forced into an anti consumer product by publishers"

I disagree, the publishers NEED the console makers, not the other way around. Without the successes of the Big 3, there would be no EA, Activision, Ubisoft, etc.

EDIT: Actually, now that I think about it, maybe MS does need the publishers more than Sony or Nintendo. With the very few franchises that MS owns and self publishes they rely on 3rd parties more than anyone else.
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Veneno  +   565d ago
Nintendo sure as hell don't rely on 3rd party too much.
kreate  +   565d ago
The thing is.. they dont lose money.
Its a delusion.
Cam977  +   565d ago
We still don't know if Bethesda want to accept MS' DRM terms! If they didn't develop for the XBONE then it'd be a huge blow!

This has absolutely blown up in MS' face, how they can recover from this is beyond me, more to the point, will this be their last console? If no, then what can we expect from it's successor? Absolutely no rights at all?

The XBONE has everything negative but a curfew! Wait, they'll probably announce that too.
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Sephiroushin  +   565d ago
I remember some publishers saying that if MS put DRM policy and fee on used games then they should get a part of the money, that MS should not get all of the money when a costumer get a code online to activate their used games ... So by that it means some publishers didn't know about it until MS opened up their mouth ...

Microsoft should've listen to consumers in the first place, consumers are the one buying the system not the publishers, and publishers won't stop publishing games because they would lose even more money ... Microsoft is as bad as Ubisoft, Activision and EA, in fact worst since they are the one making the console...
Clarence  +   565d ago
The publishers are making millions. Especially if the game is good. The publishers want to get paid again after their game has already been purchase. Bull$h!t!

That's like me selling a painting, I get paid, then the new owners sells the painting, and now I tell them they have to pay me again because I created the painting.
insomnium2  +   564d ago
Exactly! It's pure BS.
sarshelyam  +   565d ago
Were they also forced into monetizing access to a service that is already monetized? Netflix anyone? Why the hell isn't this accessible to any Xbox Live member, not just paying members?

Don't victimize Microsoft, they certainly aren't innocent of this.
Pillsbury1  +   565d ago
And everyone is clarified they will not be getting one.
3-4-5  +   565d ago
* They are going to pass it off as it's the publishers who are the bad guys....
Tyre  +   565d ago
Again playing the Victim? They are the builders and they pushed for this construct. THIS NOT WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR! Talk about not implementing this Nightmarish scenario and listening to the consumers. F this bullcrap fake vinger pointing and playing the victim. These stories are irrelevant...keep trying to confuse the gaming community instead of being straight forward and actively reversing your strategy in accordance to what the majority of customers want....not the ignorant few rich kids.
SpartanQ8  +   565d ago
What about 24hours check!!! Is publishers also force them to do that!!

Always online is the worst thing that will keep me away from (Spy you need my permission box)

From X fan of Xbox
TheSaint  +   564d ago
Ask Bethesda or R* if they are going out of business, great games sell buckets.
Braid  +   564d ago
I consider myself a fairly intelligent person and yet I can't completely understand how the system works.

There's so much uncertainty surrounded by vague statements (both official and unofficial) that I gave up at this point. I'll be waiting for the console to lauch, read some objective "user" reviews and THEN decide if the working principle of the console suits me.
Tsar4ever  +   564d ago
Blame THIS ALL on vgaming piracy. They're the ones the most responsible for all this DRM syndrome happening, any of you have any idea how much x360 games are being pirated not only here in the US but world wide? It's no joke.

Then again I'm kinda also part of the prob too, I reap the spoils of piracy almost on a daily basis. I enjoy my MAME Arcade collection/257+ titles on my pc like an addict.
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Kingthrash360  +   565d ago
dark days in gaming history...
all this anti-consumerism and flat out wallet rape is not the way to sell anything.
most gamers will not put up with it and MS may lose big this generation.
shoddy  +   565d ago
They wallet rape then rob you with something that should have been free
dasbeer88  +   565d ago
The only saving grace MS can rely on are the oblivious grandparents and parents who will buy the Xbox One and their games for little children.
N311V  +   565d ago
I dont think that could save them. Grandparents and parents buying fir their offspring is a very small portion of the market.
pkb79  +   565d ago
I'm a parent and a gamer and we will not be getting a xbox one.
I will by a xbox, the first one, if I see one in a garage sale cause that was a decent console.
FrigidDARKNESS  +   565d ago
Never heard of this website,
Article is fanboyish and adds nothing that MS has clarified.
Saints94  +   565d ago | Well said
You type that down on every thread that has something bad to say about the Xbox.
ianblake  +   565d ago
+1
Why o why  +   565d ago
Everything dude utters is damage control.

E3 can't come soon enough. End all this
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MysticStrummer  +   565d ago
Yeah. He just PMed me some false info about cloud gaming, totally ignoring the link I showed him that illustrates why it's not going to happen the way MS is implying it will.
mxrider2199  +   564d ago
yo can you post that link about the xbox one cloud and how it wont work
abzdine  +   565d ago
you dont need to belong to a well known website to realize that what MS is doing is leading them to they own defeat.
Flyingdog670  +   565d ago
Sooooo.... I guess you are one of the people who M$ hired to make Xbox One look good!
InTheLab  +   565d ago
The author tells a story about how he traded games back on the NES when he was 5. It's the same story as my childhood. How is that fanboyish?

Trading games among friends has been going on since gaming was invented and who is MS to try and ruin that long standing tradition.

I think its more fanboyish to blindly support the stripping of your right to buy/rent/sell. No good will come of it. This road only leads to more abuse.
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mananimal  +   565d ago
@IntheLab #3.5

"I think its more fanboyish to blindly support the stripping of your right to buy/rent/sell. No good will come of it. This road only leads to more abuse."

Couldnt have said it better, exactly. Leads to more abuse, give an inch they take ANOTHER mile. Only Solution: Stick with the Principle(s) of the matter. Its WRONG, consumers are getting screwed, its WRONG dont support Next Gen, Dont Buy the Consoles!!, screw Microsoft, boycott & REBEL , simple.

No doubt I am done with MS & most likely Sony as well, I think there offerings will ultimately be very similiar to what MS has stated up front there doing. maybe its time to get a WII U perhaps idk, its funny now that I think abt it LOL, Yes I had an Atari 2600 bck in the day, but when I got my 1st Nintendo, came with that little Gyro Robot, thats when my gaming hobby exploded in my heart & I was hooked forever.

Back to where it all began? maybe, just maybe.
monkey nuts  +   564d ago
Yes, I too am from the days when games could be swapped between friends, even consoles occasionally. I had a snes, my mate a megadrive we swapped them and all our games for a month. When it was time to exchange them back for the original console both of us were sold on the quality of the games we had played for the month and both of us ended up getting new consoles that Xmas, I a mega drive and my mate got the snes. Fanboys never existed back then either, we were all just people united through our hobby, gaming. You can thank ms for bringing fanboys to the industry.
@ manimal (top.80's tv show lol) if Sony have similar DRM restrictions then ill be going with a wii u for next gen too.
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TheDarpaChief  +   565d ago
Can I get hired to do pr for Microsoft too? I want to buy my brother a ps3 and the last of us so we can play it together
Drekken  +   565d ago
Shill alert.
AsimLeonheart  +   565d ago
Gamers, get ready to get Xboned by MS.
SonyPS4  +   565d ago
I won't get Xboned lawl. Sticking to my good old XB360 while I play on PS3, PS4 and Wii U.
Nafon  +   565d ago
lol. wii u
sAVAge_bEaST  +   564d ago
Friends don't let friends, Xbone........
Soldierone  +   565d ago
All I want to tell publishers and console makers is "dont forget the gaming crash that nearly killed the industry entirely."

They are not invincible, especially when so many people are trying to say every gadget that plays some casual game will take over consoles..... Once they see sales decline, they will go through all the excuses in the book before someone finally steps out and says "sorry, you guys were right, we will stop being greedy."
00  +   565d ago
they're just going to blame consumers for not having money coming out of there asses to rent games for 60$

I do hope some of these publisher do go under, if you can make more money then the used game industry and still blame it for your financial failure some one is not doing a very good job.
Why o why  +   565d ago
I think majestic said it the other day.

GAMERS are killing gaming will be their next excuse
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bunnyking  +   565d ago
I just got a 30 day ban for posting an anti XBOX blog at Gamestop's blog.

Here is the Link: https://www.gameinformer.co...

and this:

https://www.gameinformer.co...

Fudge this mother fudging site?

This is what I got banned for and it tickles me to know how sensitive these idiots promoting the XBOXone are.
dalibor  +   564d ago
Read your blogs not bad. Keep it up and eh some people are to sensitive. Welcome to N4G by the way
headblackman  +   565d ago
this guy is any idiot. he's crying about issues that don't concern him. everything that could be an issue isn't an issue for him. nor is it one for me. for those have no internet, those are the ones that should have the issues with this and writing articles like this. not those with internet. not even those with spotty internet. it only has to check once every 24 he's. no ones internet is down for 24 hrs so even there spotty connections are good. stop crying over nothing. making mountains out of ant hills.
rydamgw  +   565d ago
Not quite true whenever you insert a game exspecially a new one you are required to have internet connection. Therefore lets so you go to the store to pick up a game you return home to find out your internets down your SOL until it comes back on. Your new shiny game is worthless withoit the internet. Frankly its utter bullshit.
nypifisel  +   565d ago
You're actually shrugging of the fact that Microsoft want to take away every owner right you have? Okey intelligent. I wouldn't be effected directly by this neither that doesn't mean it's acceptable.
TheEvilWithin  +   565d ago
Headblackman your the fu*king idiot with your stupid fu*king Spartan pic. WE GET IT you love fu*king XBOX that's GREAT your one of like 10 PEOPLE on here who are backing them and lets cut away the stupid sh*ts Damage Controlling on this site means your one of what 7 people? If anything EVERYONE is telling you to get off the sinking ship and run to safety where the GAMERS are going to be. NOONE is CRYING people are PIST there getting bent over and RAMMED in the A$$ with all this strict bullsh*t. So enjoy your XBOX 1 but when MICROSOFT not the XBOX division pulls the plug on the whole thing and your stuck with a BRICK and a couple of empty cases YOU don't come crying.
headblackman  +   565d ago
say what you will but Microsoft will surprise you in the biggest and best way like they always do. so I'm not worried in the slightest. like I said in the first msg. none of these so called issues apply to me as do they not apply to damn near everyone on this internet based web site right now :-/ if you've got an internet connection please stfu because it won't effect you any damn way (spotty or not). and if you don't have an internet connection, then a gaming console should be the least of your concerns. you need to keep your financial situations in a budget prospective. I'll stick with the best brand which is Xbox. even with its misinterpreted statements. all of the risks have been calculated by the most brilliant company of the 3. so I know that the right things will be enforced. heavy note to you: if you read something with w negative mindset,everything you read will sound just like how you want it to. we hear and see what we want to. I'm going off of what I see along with Microsoft's upstanding track record for me. they have the best games, the best controller, and the best network. I'm good. I'll pass on the lamestation and stick with what I know gives me all I need in gaming and more.
Veneno  +   565d ago
Geez
Headblackman has gone to the 4th level of a dream. His delusion is now his reality. Sad.
MRMagoo123  +   565d ago
Im pretty sure headblackman is getting paid for this, the things he is saying are so far off base its not funny

for a start not everyone on this site has internet, for example you can go to a library and use their internet, you cant bring an xbone into the library every 24 hours. Some ppl could be using an internet cafe you cant bring the xbone into the cafe to connect every 24 hours either, some ppl may be using a phone you cant seriously think the almighty infinite cloud can stream games to an xbone via phone internet right...even if you had 4g the cost for the phone plan would be thousands a month.

Microsoft is also not the best brand, majority wise there are more ppl with a ps3

Microsoft dont ever surpise ppl in the biggest and best ways so where are you getting this from "say what you will but Microsoft will surprise you in the biggest and best way like they always do" The only surprises they have had so far is really bad drm crap they are trying to force.
DigitalRaptor  +   564d ago
@ headblackman

"and if you don't have an internet connection, then a gaming console should be the least of your concerns. you need to keep your financial situations in a budget prospective"

Take this for a scenario. And it's just one possibility out of many.

1) You have a good job. You can afford an Xbox One.
2) You buy some games.
3) You lose your job.
4) You cannot afford Internet, but you want to play games you own.
5) But... you don't really own them, do you?
6) Your entertainment machine is now a brick. But oh wait, you can play Blu-ray discs. Not games though. My god.

There is no reason to have to have the Internet to play a PHYSICAL product. None, other than pure corporate greed and disregard for the consumer. It obvious you're an idiot when you can't see the implications of a company who are just trying to control the industry and your rights as a consumer. They have your nuts in a vice.
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Aceman18  +   565d ago
i have good internet, but i'll be damned if i let some money hungry company take my buyers/sellers rights.

microsoft has made it easy for me not to buy their new console.
TheEvilWithin  +   565d ago
Clearly your just not keeping up with times bud because if you look at the feed back, The horrible bullsh*t Microsoft is pulling the articles about them paying publisher to not show there games on the PS4 all the DRM GARBAGE you know what that says??? There scared little BIT*HES and know LAMESTATION...ha ha ha GOOD ONE! Is going to DESTROY the SH*T out of the Xbox 1 and Microsoft knows it SONY knows and hey guess what... WE ALL KNOW IT. Oh best system what about the XBOX 360 red ring of death? Took them what THREE YEARS to come out with a some what better system with a better warranty. Oh and lamestation??? What were YOU playing before the Xbox even showed up??? I'm SURE it was a PLAYSTATION. So FU*K internet issues because this goes BEYOND just internet issues this is gamers rights and if you were a TRUE gamer you would understand that.
headblackman  +   565d ago
lame station had the yrod so a mess up is a mess up. its corrected. lesson learned. now what? yoiu should be happy the rrod happened. without it the lamestation would've perished in a very huge way. but the system still sold like gold. Microsoft has learned all that it needed to learn and has everything that it needs to win this console in a very big way.I'm sticking with the Xbox brand and if anyone else wants a lamestation, that's on them. buy what you buy. I just know what's the best and where I can get the most for my money.
a_bro  +   564d ago
So headblackman, how much is Microsoft paying you to spread shill on this site? GTFO...
sAVAge_bEaST  +   564d ago
***ALERT*** ***ALERT***

M$ Reputation Management.- Microsoft RM.- M$ Rep. Mgmt.

***ALERT*** ***ALERT***
mxrider2199  +   564d ago
microsoft hasnt surprised anyone since halo 1 and halo 2.... Nothing they have done since then has been innovative besides cross game chat...
mxrider2199  +   564d ago
unless your talking about their fails then ya they surprise everyone all the time with the random bs they say they will do or will happen and never does but i guess its not so surprising anymore
headblackman  +   564d ago
Xbox live is always innovating. kinect was a major innovation and will be even more so this time around. kinect wasn't too good with games but it worked really well with everything else, so it still keeps its innovation title. there is no other company that has done as much good in video gaming in so little time as Microsoft. so say what you will but numbers don't lie. Microsoft may be in the bad now with the information that isn't fully understood, but e3 will fix all of that for you :-)
mxrider2199  +   561d ago
kinect was an advanced ps eyetoy how that is innovation to you idk but microsoft is always one step behind on innovation hence they are just getting blue ray every innovative initial idea has come from sony eyetoy was b4 the wii just the technology they had at the time was not good enough they invented the cd and so forth the only microsoft was ever innovative with was live bc of halo 2s success and e3 showed me how dissappointed i really am with microsoft and how they are still trying to make their wallets even bigger after raping people for years
rydamgw  +   565d ago
The solution is simple, dont buy this orwellian piece of garbage. Microsoft is blaming the developers for a feature they built in the system, what a load of crap! Meanwhile Sony has admitted over and over again that the PS4 will play used games, will not require an internet connection and will not have a system wide DRM. Guess what console im buying.

4>1
Foxgod  +   565d ago
But what if you got a stable internet connection, and never buy used games, is the XB|One still a bad choice then?

If so, why?
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00  +   565d ago
you bought a TV but the maker only allows you to watch it for a certain amount of time before you have to pay again.

unless you like the idea of a faceless corporation controlling how you use, what you do, or when you use the physical product you bought then the xbox one is for you.

I will not let any company tell me who I'm allowed to sell my stuff to, when I'm allowed to or how I'm allowed to.

they will not control what is MINE.
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Foxgod  +   565d ago
But thats not really true if i buy it to play games.
mursumaki  +   565d ago
"you bought a TV but the maker only allows you to watch it for a certain amount of time before you have to pay again."

There are countries that have a TV license fee
MRMagoo123  +   565d ago
@mursumaki

They arent tv licences they are broadcasting licences, you pay the fees to get to watch the channels made by private companies and government companies, you dont pay the licence for the actual tv.
rydamgw  +   565d ago
Still a crap system due to the fact Kinect is REQUIRED for the system to function you are REQUIRED to pay to play online. Your basically paying for all the DRM restrictions. The main reason is you never truly own your games or even the console itself if MS's servers go down or they get hacked guess what you have a nice shiny box that no longer plays any games. 20 years from now i will still be able to use my PS3 and 360 can anyone honestly say that about the Xbox One?
Foxgod  +   565d ago
But cloud servers going down, or getting hacked, doesnt kill the cloud itself, i know because i am an IT cloud administrator.
And paying for online was already done on the 360, so it didnt get worse.
Also, i dont see kinect as a problem, most people i know leave their eyetoy on all the time.

And MS can disable DRM as soon as they stop supporting the console.
Ippiki Okami  +   565d ago
Well I know for sure Foxgod and jokesonyou are paid ms shills. Ignore these people folks. Neogaf exposed a couple on their site. This site should do the same.
MoonConquistador  +   565d ago
LOL, you think a 360 will last 20 years?
Why o why  +   565d ago
Foxgod is acting like a true shill. The most dangerous type. The type that stays dormant for ages then awakens to continue the mission. Sleeper shill ;) engage with caution.

Honest question fox. . Is there anything that worries you about ms's direction or would saying so be a breech of contract. . Lol

Im giving ms until e3 to win me over. As it stands right now, I'm probably going to be a 2 console gamer next gen and the one isn't one of them.
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sAVAge_bEaST  +   564d ago
@ Foxgod

***ALERT*** ***ALERT***

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00  +   565d ago
"i BUY it to play games'
generally when I BUY something it is MINE to do as I please, because I PAYED MONEY to have it, not to borrow it.

I OWN IT, NOT MICROSOFT, NOT THE DEVELOPERS NOT THE PUBLISHER, ME, IT IS MINE.

I don't see how someone can give money away to a product they don't own. '

EDIT
"You only buy a product to use it, you never own it"

I have no words to describe how stupid this sounds.

next time you buy a car you don't own it
or your shoes
or your fridge
or your CD's
or your DVDs
or your bed
or your clothes
or your books
or your picture frames
or your glasses
or your TV
or your PC
or your .......
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Foxgod  +   565d ago
You only buy a product to use it, you never own it, because to own it you need to own the intellectual property.

You can still resell your games on the Xb|one, and even better, you can do it online, instead of having to run to a store.

Edit
Its not stupid, its the truth, owning would mean you can exploit something, and reproduce it on your own consent.
For example, i draw a lot, and all my drawing are my intellectual property, even if someone would want to buy it, i still own it.
Ofcourse if i would want it back i would have to refund you, but fact is, i own it.
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Eamon  +   565d ago
Foxgod, that's bs.

The whole point of the intellectual Property laws are to allow people to profit of their own creativity and ideas without it getting stolen.

For example, you are not allowed to make copies of a game and sell it. Because you are deliberately trying to make a profit out of someone's idea.

When you buy a product however you can do whatever you want with it legally. That includes selling off the product to someone else. As long as you're not copying the IP contained in the product to make money off it.

So yeah, quit being a fanboy sheep and have some pride in consumer rights.
nypifisel  +   565d ago
@Foxgod
Who the hell writes it Xb|one. You working for MS or something?

And you're fundamentally wrong, I own the disc, I can by law do what ever I want with it. Try to sway this in the European Union court if you like - they'll rip you a part. What honestly is the pull here? Why was the DRM necessary? What was the point of it?
MoonConquistador  +   565d ago
@Fox, please stop, my sides are killing me lol. After the "360 lasting 20 years" comment.

I was just wiping the tears away from reading that when I read how I don't actually own anything because I wasn't involved in inventing or patenting it or being involved in the development process.

Can you actually smell the s*** you are shovelling
bsquwhere  +   565d ago
@Foxgod so if you buy a car and the maker, be it Toyota or Ford, you would find it acceptable for them to come take it from you (assuming its not a repo man) that would be OK with you because they own the rights to the name and design.Use some common sense.
Mr-Dude  +   565d ago
@Foxgod
You only buy a product to use it, you never own it, because to own it you need to own the intellectual property.

So, if I buy a Mcchicken and a Coke (both IP), consume it wait a couple of hours, go to the toilet and take a dump.. By your standards, is that beautiful turd and pee not mine anymore?
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T2  +   565d ago
Why would you buy an inferior product anyway ? Its a spybox that has worse specs ... Unless you are in love with halo , forza, I just say who cares..

Edit - @ foxgod - your scenario makes no sense ... If I bought your drawing I could resell it whenever the hell I want
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MoonConquistador  +   565d ago
@Fox, yes it is still a bad choice, for the principle of removing your consumer rights. It may not affect you with this, but what will they go after next.

It will affect any friends or family who MIGHT want the OPTION to do so. Why is everyone so wrapped up in how it ONLY affects them, usually the same ones who so blindly defend this crap because they cant see MS slipping the finger in. Well believe me, with MS, the finger is just to ease you in for something much bigger
Eldyraen  +   565d ago
From those that want to either hate on it just because, try to take the high road for those that aren't in our shoes, or are in fact those affected by the changes--then yes its still a 'bad choice'. What we can accept doesn't really make it a 'good choice' just an acceptable one.

I can see their point as there is no denying that consoles of the past and even today are still 'better' (or more accessible/consumer friendly at least) than what the One sounds to be. If the PS4 does the same (which personally I think at least will be an option for publishers although Sony likely will 'opt out') and the One and on-line required games do at least reasonably well the features will become commonplace for the future. Its why so many people are talking about boycotting (which I don't think all will go through with--but could be enough to make an impact).

To them I say: go for it. In the end it may solve similar issues for the next generation or even force MS (and maybe others) to make changes to their policies now (probably more for third party games than a complete system change).

However as you mentioned, I'm not really affected by the changes so I am still willing to buy the console as long as they can bring me games I can enjoy. I just 'have to wait and see' as they say.
MysticStrummer  +   565d ago
"But what if you got a stable internet connection, and never buy used games, is the XB|One still a bad choice then?

If so, why?"

That depends on several things.

Do you have the right TV? SDTVs won't work.

Do you have the right cable box? Even if you do, you won't be able to do more than watch what's on live TV, at least not at first.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/...

Do you want the best game performance you can get from a console? One's GPU is weaker than PS4's, and One will have 5GB of DDR3 RAM available vs PS4's 7GB of GDDR5 RAM after the OS is taken into account.

If you're counting on cloud computing, how fast is your internet connection and exactly what do you expect cloud computing to do for you?

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
amiga-man  +   565d ago
I only buy games new and my internet is decent, but why the hell would I hand over my rights to a company especially one as greedy M$.

M$ are the last people I would trust and the fact their greed makes them push these stupid restrictions on gamers proves it, I thought paying for online was bad enough and would take no part but the crap they are peddling now really is unbelievable.

No sane person would defend this those that do are either fanboys or are paid by M$, I wonder which one you are fox?
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Rhythmattic  +   565d ago
@fox

If they still charge you to play the online MP portion of a game.. That is and will always be my beef.

So its a bad choice in my books if this is still the case with XBox One.
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Hicken  +   565d ago
You've lost it.

I dare any company I've bought something from to come to my house and try to tell me what to do with it.

GM can't tell me what to do with my car, even though they own the rights to everything relating to it.

Reebok can't tell me what to do with my shoes.

The Atlanta Falcons can't tell me what to do with my hat.

Crest can't tell me what to do with my toothpaste.

Adele can't tell me what to do with my CD.

I can destroy, use, or resell any of this stuff as I see fit BECAUSE IT'S MINE. And I'll be damned if I let Microsoft tell me what I can do with my console/games.

The XBOne is a bad choice, whether your internet is stable or not, if all you buy is used games. Slavery wasn't bad for white people, so it should have just stuck around, right? You've got plenty to eat, so who cares about folks starving, right? Nevermind the people negatively affected. It doesn't hurt you, so screw it.

As a human being, you fail.
jessupj  +   565d ago
I honestly can't comprehend how anyone could defend the xbone.

Whether it affects you or not, the restrictions are still very extreme and any self respecting gamer would not be supporting this.
HexxedAvenger  +   565d ago
Microsoft does good with the 360 and gets a big head with this Xbox....I don't like the name...
bunnyking  +   565d ago
I got banned at the GIO site for posting anti XBOX sentiments.

I told them to go FUDGE THEMSELVES...

Apparently fudge talk is all it takes to get censored and banned.
Foxgod  +   565d ago
Maybe you need to learn the difference between critique and being offensive.
ACEMANWISE  +   565d ago
In this industry the difference doesn't matter.
theWB27  +   565d ago
They've already announced they may have codes for people without internet connection and are still looking into how often we need to check in for verification. Obviously the system doesn't HAVE to be connected to work...so I don't really understand why they don't just do away with it. I'm getting one regardless...my favorite franchises reside on the Xbox..
SniperControl  +   565d ago
When?
That has never been stated.
theWB27  +   565d ago
My bad. .. not announced but rumored. Ign has it in an article
Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II  +   565d ago
Your favourite franchises reside on xbox....lol
theWB27  +   565d ago
I guess if you find that funny -__-...Forza is my fav racing, Halo my fav shooter, not really looking for your approval either. I do fine without it : )
muffinbutton  +   565d ago
I dont trust Microsoft. I've always had that feeling that they we're in the gaming industry just for a piece of the pie.
BLKxSEPTEMBER  +   565d ago
I just read their new policy and all i can say is wow! MS has managed to take all the momentum they built with the 360 and bring it all the way down to sega saturn levels. well...ill always love my 360 but now i think its time to move on from this abusive relationship between MS and I. If i a woman stays in a relationship with a man who beats her then she deserves what she gets...i will not be that woman who gets beat.Good bye MS hello Sony!
MoonConquistador  +   565d ago
But will you keep paying you X-Box Live fees for your 360?

Its because of things like paying for Live that MS think they can do this XBone crap too, they are pushing the boundaries of what is acceptable to consumers.

So if the answer to the question was yes, you're part of the problem, not the solution.

Oh, and your principles are wafer thin
BLKxSEPTEMBER  +   565d ago
How I spend my money is not your concern, if The X1 was simply an upgraded 360 then I sure as hell would jump in and pay for live like I have the last 7 year's. I can afford xbl and still be ok financially. I find cbl worth the 40 a year I pay. My beef is with the new policies in place which I will not support. So how I'm "part. of the problem" is unclear to Mr, but fanboys like your are bad for gaming so to you sir may I suggest checkers?
Goldenarmz  +   565d ago
How come Car companies dont blame Used Car Dealer ships? Or why aren't every company under the sun blaming Ebay?? At the end of the day, these companies are just being greedy. And im sorry, but not being able to play a game that I BOUGHT if my system isnt connected to the internet is just plain ridiculous. That makes no sense what so ever. Regardless if i have internet or not. LG doesnt tell me i need a cable subscription to watch tv. I just go get an antenna and call it a day. Why are they making it where i cant even PLAY the game i just bought. And they probably arent even going to lower the cost of games.
segamon  +   565d ago
the majority are against it very few are with it so if this product is sold then it will be a solid proof how full of shit the gamers community is.

if you want Microsoft to back off then boycott this product.

this is the mark that may shape the future of gaming forever. no more talk, act. don't buy this product.
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MoonConquistador  +   565d ago
Not everyone who's targeted by MS or Sony comes on N4G though. I've not seen any articles in newspapers or on TV news regarding how anti consumer this device is turning out to be.
Veneno  +   565d ago
If Xbox One and PS4 release simultaneously or close enough to it, then consumers will have a choice to choose a console with strict DRM or one with none. This will make the chances of Xbone failing better.
Apocalypse Shadow  +   565d ago
no matter how you slice it,it is still DRM...

All these money scams to gouge gamer's wallets started with Microsoft..$100 WiFi adapters,DLC- Microsoft probably told third party companies they can make more money with additional content on 360 than putting it all on one Bluray disc for ps3,paying for online gaming,paying for overpriced HDDs,etc

They started it all...

(D)irty (R)otten (M)icrosoft...
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jessupj  +   565d ago
Exactly.

I've always said MS is a cancer on my beloved hobby.

Just look at their focus on kinect and virtual complete lack of tending to the hardcore when they released it.

Unfortunately, I still see plently of uninformed people buying this console. I really hope sony doesn't go the same route.
ZBlacktt  +   565d ago
Same repetitive stories...,
RavageX  +   565d ago
I posted this on a different article, but I think it applies here more:

You know what pisses me off about this? Some publishers and developers complain about how used games rob them of money and all that which I assume is supposed to make us feel bad, but then they turn around and release games that are complete rubbish and expect full price or near full price for them.

Latest example is Fast and Furious: Showdown. When that came out the price was $40 if I am not mistaken, maybe more. If you haven't seen anything about the game, do yourself a favor and look it up on youtube.

The game is beyond awful. $40 for a game that looks terrible, plays badly, and is over in just a couple of hours. Not even worth renting.

Now we also have digital games, one of the biggest excuses for games being $60 or more was that making the cds/dvds/blu-rays are expensive, blah blah blah. Well why is the game STILL $60 when it is digital? No manual, no box art, no case, no disk...yet I am still paying the same price.

More BS, but people still eat it up like they are getting a deal.

I believe and hope that if gamers got together and made it very clear that we aren't going to lay down for this the issue would be dropped and left alone, cause the only choice left would be to watch their product,service, whatever FAIL.

That goes for any company, MS, Sony, Nintendo, EA, etc.
SniperControl  +   565d ago
Here in the UK, PSN games are sometimes up to £10 more expensive than a retail store copy. I have also found this to be true on the XBL.
RavageX  +   565d ago
You guys and a good majority of the world outside the US tend to get shafted when it comes to gaming. Prices are rarely fair.
papashango  +   565d ago
Notice with torrents bad games on PC never seem to be successful but good games still sell millions.

M$ has already confirmed they are taking away your ability to play crap games before you buy. Making you rely on sites like IGN for reviews. Thereby expanding the role review sites play x100. Pretty bad considering the games they review have a big fat advertisement on their page paid for by the publishers that also send them early access copies.

Sony's never gone in depth about how their used policy will work. Iirc the CEO said "It SHOULD be the same". Imo the quiet game they're playing should be terrifying to gamers.

All in all...I'm not too excited about next-gen
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blackthorn5  +   565d ago
I read an article from a guy who summed it up well.

writen by Revolver= Jason Schreler

I'm just going to keep posting this every time DRM and consoles come up:

Are movies/music/videogames a good or a service? Because that is the question at the heart of all of this.

Videogames, movies and music were originally services. You went to an arcade to play videogames, you went to a theater to see a movie, you went to a concert/show/etc to hear music. You paid money, enjoyed the entertainment, then left. If you wanted to enjoy the entertainment again, you paid again. We turned these things into goods due to technology and we are now turning them back into a service due to technology. So what are they? A car is a good. It is a tangible, physical thing. A bookcase is a good, it's a tangible, physical thing. A movie on a DVD is a bunch of 1's and 0's that is put on a tangible, physical thing. A game is a bunch of 1's and 0's that is, right now, put on a tangible, physical thing but what happens when companies stop putting these 1's and 0's on physical things (that is where entertainment is heading). What is it then?

If I download an app on my iPhone, it's only useful on that iPhone that is linked to my iTunes account. I don't actually "own" it in the physical sense do I?

MS is jumping out in front of what is the future of entertainment. The writing has been on the wall since Napster, the tech has just finally caught up. Hardcore console gamers are all up in arms because they are use to games being a good not a service and they don't want that to change (I don't blame them). PC gamers (like me) accepted it long ago, smartphone users accepted it because that's the way apps were from day 1 but this is the first time a console maker is doing it. For some reason, console gamers think that Sony won't follow suit. It's naive thinking. 5/30/13

It's the future people.
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ThatsGaming  +   565d ago
Actually MS is not only jumping out in front but they are also helping consumers as much as possible...

- Buy digitally every game on release date
- No matter what X1 I use I can play my games
- Family purchasing vs. individual
- Publishers choose the used model (same as Sony)

The only thing that can be taken as bad is that you have to be connected to the Internet at least once every 24 hours...

After seeing Bungie and Ubisoft's announcements on "always on" games... Destiny and Assassins Creed... People better wrap their heads around it... The world has changed. For Sony's console to be useful it will probably need to be online. They say games can be done old school offline, but practically, how many games will be able to function next gen offline?
SpinalRemains  +   565d ago
Not for some reason.

We think that due to the fact that they've clearly stated it.

On PS4, you can put your disc in and play it offline. Then, you may sell it if you wish. You may rent them too.

3rd party publishers will no doubt enable their multiplayer or online DRM, but the console itself was not designed around this idea.
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SniperControl  +   565d ago
And you think a 500gb HD is gonna cut it? A standard Blu-ray disc holds a minimum of 25gb of data, MS wants us to install a full game on the HD, how long do you think before it fills up. I believe (I could be mistaken) MS has stated that the internal HD was not interchangeable, and no way in hell would they let you install a game on a external HD. I stand 100% behind you about a fully digital future, but surely you need to have a good infrastructure in place to support it.
SpinalRemains  +   565d ago
They do.

That's the second part of the devious plan, you see.

The HDD was made intentionally insufficient and non removable in order to force every gamer to buy a gold account so they can use the cloud for game storage.

The rabbit hole doesn't go very deep, but it is indeed filled with diarrhea.
rydamgw  +   565d ago
Im sorry but I fully disagree with your bend over and take it up the rectum statement. "Its the future people" No its not the future not unless WE allow it. Just because big corporations want more money doesnt mean they can decide alone what the future holds. Do you realize what the next obvious step after fully digital entertainment? Usage limits, viewer limits, Pay to play for everything. After all why not not only will they still own it but theyll have COMPLETE control of it.
WolfOfDarkness  +   565d ago
Huummmm , Sony Vice President on his twitter account. said " a big secret will be reviled at E3 " Something about PS4 specs , what's Sony up to ?
ThatsGaming  +   565d ago
They will announce the use of the power button... When the system is off, the power button will turn the system on... When the system is on, the power button will turn it off.

Sony fans will applaud this as an innovation in gaming, other gamers will scratch their heads, Sony will turn this into the biggest PR coup in the history of gaming!
mrmancs  +   565d ago
Greed over sense... Welcome to the world... Sony must be from a different planet! Lol
sashimi  +   565d ago
What planet are you from where the only way to make money is to f3@#$@#k over the consumers?
Blakhaze999  +   565d ago
Sony got the upper hand right now. Im hoping its not the same BS!! A lot of people have their fingers crossed including me. But what are the chances that one console will have such polices and not the other? just curious...and nervous actually

Arghhh Why does it seem like e3 is taking so long to get here. Dammit!!! Sony dont let us down!!!
WolfOfDarkness  +   565d ago
Microsoft: Clearly kissing ass to government agencies. Restrictions, fees, always on/online, always listening. Someone find George Orwell please!
At this point, Sony will have to crash and burn at E3 to get me to buy an Xbox. It's funny how MS has this one box for everything... Except for gamers.
1. Hassle free game experience? No
2. Play old games? No
3. Play offline easily? No
4. Play used games hassle free? No
5. Enjoyable all around gaming experience? NOOOOOOO
Microsoft has done Sony's job.
Confickercrash  +   565d ago
Wow, there must be more articles here on what the Xbone CAN'T do then what it can do. XD
dethpuck  +   565d ago
Chill wolf go buy a ps4 then. Xbox will be just fine without u. I will continue to enjoy Xbox. My friends are all on Xbox and they all have the internet. they don't care about Sony no matter how good I tell them uncharted is. I'm getting both consoles. Whatever plays the games I want will win. Microsoft seems to be very coveient and forward thinking
kingPoS  +   564d ago
Awe man... your comment history tells it all. But that's ok, people have been known to have differing opinions.

I do applaud you for supporting both though. The gaming industry definitely needs healthy competition as well as rivals to thrive. After all... It's what made the 16bit era so awesome.
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KiwiCeeDee  +   565d ago
For me this isnt a case of tipping the balance between one console or another - its about not getting any of them. I really enjoy console gaming (convenience/comfort in front of TV etc) but when you look at the numbers over the life of a generation, its hard to go past the PC for overall value. While PC clearly has its own DRM issues (at times), I dont think many people will try and argue PC gaming isnt better value overall. I dont mind not being able to sell a PC game when I generally pay 1/3 or less of the console price (upcoming Steam Summer Sale is a case in point). Console gaming is expensive and many gamers can only afford do do it by recycling their games. While it might cost a bit more to build a gaming rig when you factor in online subs, game prices etc. etc. its a no brainer.

Couple all this with no backwards compatibility for your favorite games, the inevitable 'red/yellow ring of death' equivalent or some other serial fault and its game set and match. I went through 2-3 of each of the 360 and PS3 consoles in the last generation.

Sony may not go as far as MS with DRM but I cant see it being too far off for reasons many have pointed out. And no I am certainly not a PC fanboy, just do the numbers.
GamersHeaven  +   565d ago
Why didn't Microsoft just go all digital? You have to install all your games anyways doesn't make any sense to me.
2 cents  +   565d ago
Can someone please explain it to me in a bit more detail? I`ve reached an aged when i`m struggling to keep up with the game industry. If i own 2 xbox consoles (one at home and one at work) does it mean that if i buy a game i won`t be able to play it on my second console? Or, just as long as i am logged in with my gamer tag, i can use the game with any console?
Also, regarding always on, does it mean paying the subscription is mandatory? I very rarely play online and Live is no use to me, but i always have my xbox connected to the internet for any updates.
Thanks for helping.
Skynetone  +   565d ago
if you buy a game and install it on your home console you can play it on your work console for one hour

if you buy a game and install it on your work console you can play it on your home console for one hour
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ACEMANWISE  +   565d ago
I think they are trying to make subscriptions mandatory for everyone.
oscarcat59  +   565d ago
I agree with you but the big question is would we get a good value for it or just a thinner wallet
ACEMANWISE  +   564d ago
A thinner wallet for sure. The more proprietary a product or service becomes the more expensive. Examples would include Vita memory cards and 360 harddrives. Imagine the prices if only Sony and Microsoft had the games. There would be no new game retailers except them...thus driving up demand. Then think about having no used games to push new game prices down.
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